mega thread Everypony's Religion And Why?

[Galen 1,354]

It's a shame the rest of the chrisitan population don't follow what you do D: I seem to meet the "HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN, ABORTIONS, DRUGS, RAWR RAWR RAWR FIRE DEATH HELL" kind of christians all the time. It might just be where I live though. GG England.

 

Do you mean that's how people are in the UK? I thought that was mainly in the US and most of central/southern Europe (as far as the western world goes). Either that or I don't socialize enough over here :S

Edited July 23, 2013 by Freedan

[. eris . 1,661]

It's a shame the rest of the chrisitan population don't follow what you do D: I seem to meet the "HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN, ABORTIONS, DRUGS, RAWR RAWR RAWR FIRE DEATH HELL" kind of christians all the time. It might just be where I live though. GG England.

 

Why thank you!  I get that a lot on these boards, for some reason.

 

I meet those kind a lot too. They seem to really focus on the Old Testament and ignore the New Testament, and completely miss the fact that the whole darned Bible is about loving and being loved. I have some old-fashioned ideals, but I try not to judge others based on their opinions. ^^

 

Sometimes my temper gets in the way of that...  

 

I also find a lot of people on the internet who have, like, the craziest ideas about Christians. It's awfully hard sometimes to see people trashing Christianity as a whole because of bad experiences with one or two people, or a church. :/

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

I was raised a catholic by my mother whilst my dad is an agnostic (he tells people he's a scientologist though xD IDK why) so I know that if I respect my parents beliefs, they will respect my choice to be an atheist.

I do relapse into catholicism when I'm really stressed or worried and usually I just pray or generally "talk" to God. It helps me, so IDC what other people think. It gives me a sense of belonging, kind of like being on here. I think the problem with Atheism is that apart from the "Atheist Church" in London, there's no where to really go and talk to other people in an organised fashion.

 

People will trash Christianity on the internet because it's by far the most popular religion and a few crazy christians have given a bad name to the rest. (Such as cloppers with the brony fandom, I don't have a problem with cloppers at all, but they give us a bad name towards parents etc.)

 

I always say that as long as you tolerate and respect LGBT rights, a woman's choice with her body and you don't try to convert me (by all means talk to me about your religion, I love to learn about religions) then I will tolerate and respect you!

[. eris . 1,661]

I was raised a catholic by my mother whilst my dad is an agnostic (he tells people he's a scientologist though xD IDK why) so I know that if I respect my parents beliefs, they will respect my choice to be an atheist.

I do relapse into catholicism when I'm really stressed or worried and usually I just pray or generally "talk" to God. It helps me, so IDC what other people think. It gives me a sense of belonging, kind of like being on here. I think the problem with Atheism is that apart from the "Atheist Church" in London, there's no where to really go and talk to other people in an organised fashion.

 

People will trash Christianity on the internet because it's by far the most popular religion and a few crazy christians have given a bad name to the rest. (Such as cloppers with the brony fandom, I don't have a problem with cloppers at all, but they give us a bad name towards parents etc.)

 

I always say that as long as you tolerate and respect LGBT rights, a woman's choice with her body and you don't try to convert me (by all means talk to me about your religion, I love to learn about religions) then I will tolerate and respect you!

 

^^ Talking to God is great. I think most people talk to God, or some form of deity, when they're desperate or in pain. Psalm 145:18 says "All who call on him, call on him in truth." Sometimes that's the difficulty with being a Christian and constantly being asked questions about your faith; you talk to God and sometimes you're either too busy or too stressed to answer. So I always think God isn't listening to me. Oh well.

 

I always wondered about that. Do atheists talk to other agnostics or atheists about their faith-related questions? Do they inadvertently lead each other to some form of religion? I have a lot of agnostic friends but none of them are interested in talking about religion with me.

 

Well gee, I wonder why...  

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

I actually prefer to talk to Christians or Muslims (I don't know anyone of any other faith group, just noting) about my issues regarding faith because I always feel that Atheists are either ridiculously insulting to religion, think they are better than someone with faith or have a biased opinion towards religion.

 

I actually feel it is an incredibly difficult thing to still have faith in this modern age as science has become a lot more prominent in peoples lives.

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

I'm open about my atheism on the internet and outside the house, but at home I'm very quiet about it. I come from a very Catholic and fairly conservative family. If I told my parents that I'm an atheist, their heads would explode. They baptized and made me do my First Communion so they would be in for a shocker. Just the other day my mom got mad at me because I told her that I didn't want a crucifix in my room. She hung it anyways, I was like "Really mom?" -.- *sigh* It sucks being an atheist and being dragged to church by your parents against your will almost every Sunday.

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

I've been baptised and had communion and my confirmation etc. but it shouldn't really affect you if you're an atheist. It's just symbolism. I'd maybe tell your parents you were questioning religion as a whole and test the waters and if they take to that, gradually put in hints that you're an atheist. They're your parents, they'll still love you.

[MichaelxXxTrixie 433]

I'm open about my atheism on the internet and outside the house, but at home I'm very quiet about it. I come from a very Catholic and fairly conservative family. If I told my parents that I'm an atheist, their heads would explode. They baptized and made me do my First Communion so they would be in for a shocker. Just the other day my mom got mad at me because I told her that I didn't want a crucifix in my room. She hung it anyways, I was like "Really mom?" -.- *sigh* It sucks being an atheist and being dragged to church by your parents against your will almost every Sunday.

 

I know that feeling, I came out of the closet of Atheism to my parents. I'm not going to elaborate to much on what happened but nothing good happened. They were really upset and confused, afraid for my soul and all that non-sense. However, it felt good to affirm my knowledge and tell them when everything settled. I felt like something was tearing me up inside keeping it a secret, so I think it might be the best course of action to peacefully explain it to them. Don't try to disprove there beliefs, just tell them you don't believe in them anymore and if they get pissed and do anything bad, then they're the assholes.

[Serbon div 386]

ATHEISM AND BUDDHISM ARE NOT RELIGIONS, SINCE RELIGION IN LATIN MEANS REUNION WITH GOD, ATHEISM IS NOT A WAY OF REUNITING WITH GOD, AND BUDDHISTS DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD EITHER.

 

I'm Orthodox Christian, since Orthodoxy has a 2013 year old tradition, and follows everything Jesus said word by word. It's also the most spiritual form of Christianity. We think other forms of Christianity are too materialistic and modernistic.

[--Thunder Bolt-- 534]

ATHEISM AND BUDDHISM ARE NOT RELIGIONS, SINCE RELIGION IN LATIN MEANS REUNION WITH GOD, ATHEISM IS NOT A WAY OF REUNITING WITH GOD, AND BUDDHISTS DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD EITHER.

 

Agree.  But you don't really need to shout at us.

 

ATHEISM AND BUDDHISM ARE NOT RELIGIONS, SINCE RELIGION IN LATIN MEANS REUNION WITH GOD, ATHEISM IS NOT A WAY OF REUNITING WITH GOD, AND BUDDHISTS DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD EITHER.

 

I'm Orthodox Christian, since Orthodoxy has a 2013 year old tradition, and follows everything Jesus said word by word. It's also the most spiritual form of Christianity. We think other forms of Christianity are too materialistic and modernistic.

 

Ooh.  Nice flame-grenade.  I know very little about Orthodoxy, and when it comes to which Christianity is the bestest and most "spiritual," I don't have a dog in that hunt, so...somepony pass the popcorn.

 

Edit: Ran Google Translate on the Cyrillic in your sig.  Results come out sounding like a not-very-good translation of lyrics from a national anthem or something.  Albania!  Bronies.  Are.  Everywhere.....

Edited July 25, 2013 by InvisiblePinkUnicorn

[John 793]

I always say that as long as you tolerate and respect LGBT rights, a woman's choice with her body and you don't try to convert me (by all means talk to me about your religion, I love to learn about religions) then I will tolerate and respect you!

 

Sure, but how about the women respect the body that's developing inside of her?  We're humans people, not pigs.  We can't just slaughter and dispose of fetuses at will.  If your going to lose respect for me because I believe that a human fetus, especially after the first trimester when it has neurological activity (yes, thoughts) has a right to life, I guess I'll just have to sit and take the heat.

 

A person's a person, no matter how small.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si2rAJhBDLw

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

If a fetus has not developed the ability to feel pain then I believe you have every right to do as you wish. Once the fetus has developed to a point that it can feel pain, then my stance becomes unsure.

I believe that a woman's choice should come first as the already living life is much more important than a potential for life. I wouldn't lose respect for anyone, I posted that message quite hastily which I now regret. It's hard to explain my feelings towards someone who disagree's with those issues I mentioned, It's not a loss of respect at all. I just feel a slight dissapointment, not in yourself or others, but in the human race as a whole.

[John 793]

If a fetus has not developed the ability to feel pain then I believe you have every right to do as you wish. Once the fetus has developed to a point that it can feel pain, then my stance becomes unsure.

I believe that a woman's choice should come first as the already living life is much more important than a potential for life. I wouldn't lose respect for anyone, I posted that message quite hastily which I now regret. It's hard to explain my feelings towards someone who disagree's with those issues I mentioned, It's not a loss of respect at all. I just feel a slight dissapointment, not in yourself or others, but in the human race as a whole.

 

You feel a disappointment in a women not being allowed to kill the fetus that she created in the conscious act of choosing to have sex with someone?  (Yes, look at statistics.  99% of abortions are from "accidental" pregnancies and not rape.  And in the less than 1% that are "rape," they are probably more often than not not 'forced' rape.)  I'm saddened that the fact that you become dissapointed in humanity to see that I value another person's life over 9 months of a women's time.

 

I love the whole atheist "no pain" reference.  If it doesn't cause physical pain, its not bad right?

Edited July 25, 2013 by John

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

I feel a dissapointment in that we all judge a woman for choosing what's best for her at that time. I disagree with anyone that uses abortion as a repeated method of birth control but come on, if you need to do what's best for you then by all means do whatever it takes. I'm going to once again reiterate my point in that a living life should always take preference over a potential life.

 

I'd also like to ask why you included the part in brackets about rape? Are you questioning the legitimacy of rape or am I misinterpreting what you're trying to say?

 

Also, I find it quite rude that you assume I'm an atheist from the "no pain" reference. If the potential life feels no pain, which is anywhere up to 24 weeks, then I have no problem with a woman doing as she pleases with her body. I only become a little disappointed if people begin to repeatedly have abortions but not as disappointed as I am in society for attempting to deny a woman a choice with her own body as is currently happening in Texas, I believe.

[John 793]

I feel a dissapointment in that we all judge a woman for choosing what's best for her at that time. I disagree with anyone that uses abortion as a repeated method of birth control but come on, if you need to do what's best for you then by all means do whatever it takes. I'm going to once again reiterate my point in that a living life should always take preference over a potential life.

 

Murder is best for some people, one could even argue on a psychological basis.  This is just one single example.  People need to learn not to only think about the present and start thinking about the future.

 

 

Why do you disagree with abortion as birth control if you don't value the life of the human fetus?  How selfcentered.  "Do what's best for you."  What about other people for once?  Potential life?  With it's thoughts and beating heart?  I don't think so.

 

Yeah, I respect that women go through pregnancies, but in the end, its just 9 months and their usually not bedridden for the most of that.

Edited July 25, 2013 by John

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

A fetus isn't a person nor is it people. It isn't breathing. It isn't alive and if it can't feel pain then I have no problem. A beating heart means nothing, the only issue is the neurological activity of the fetus, which even then is still not as paramount as the continuation of an existing life.

 

Like I have said, when the fetus gains the ability to feel pain, I would rather the pregnancy only by terminated if the existing life had a significant chance of dying due to the pregnancy but even then I still respect a woman's choice to do with her body as she so wishes.

[Serbon div 386]

 

 

shout at us.

Just wanted to make it more visible!

 

 

Ran Google Translate

DON'T RUN GOOGLE TRANSLATE ON SERBIAN. NEVER. ASK ME FOR TRANSLATION.

It's really hard to translate Serbian into English, since in Serbian you can use almost any word order in sentences.

Like Gladan (ja) sam, hocu hleba. Can be Ja sam gladan, hleba ocu. Or Hleba ocu, gladan ja sam. or pretty much anything.

 

 

 

Ooh.  Nice flame-grenade.  I know very little about Orthodoxy, and when it comes to which Christianity is the bestest and most "spiritual," I don't have a dog in that hunt, so...somepony pass the popcorn.

 

What dog?

PS: The best translation could go like this: If Draza's flag would flutter, their wouldn't be Albania, and Ravna Gora would stretch to 3 Serbian southern seas.

Draza, or Dragoljub Mihajlovic, was a chetnik warchief or warleader, his flag was black and a white skull with the text "With the faith in God, freedom or death". Their wouldn't be Albania because he was a guerrilla force leader, and since our demo(no)cratic government didn't allow our forces to fight back, if his politic was in charge in 1999 we could have fought back and their wouldn't be Albania.

Ravna Gora was a place where his forces used to live in WWII, because they were immune from air raids, tanks and artillery in there, and after WWII it is sometimes said instead of Serbia since it describes the terrain in general. And 3 southern Serbian seas because Tzar Dusans imperial Serbia was like that, so it's just an expression.

[John 793]

A fetus isn't a person nor is it people. It isn't breathing. It isn't alive and if it can't feel pain then I have no problem. A beating heart means nothing, the only issue is the neurological activity of the fetus, which even then is still not as paramount as the continuation of an existing life.

 

It isn't?  How about I check your fucking DNA and put it up against a sample from a male fetus.  I don't think I'll be able to tell the which one is you.  "Breathing?"  what a silly way to define something as important as human life.  And it IS alive, just as you, me, the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea are.  Scientists have proven that fetuses have thoughts and even memories before birth.  Although these thoughts and memories are derived from brain activity without outside interaction, they are thoughts and memories nonetheless.

 

 

Like I have said, when the fetus gains the ability to feel pain, I would rather the pregnancy only by terminated if the existing life had a significant chance of dying due to the pregnancy but even then I still respect a woman's choice to do with her body as she so wishes.

 

"Pain?"  why is fucking pain so important?  Pain is something every animal feels, so why are we putting it above human specific qualities?  Hypothetical.  Why would it even be bad to put a grown man to sleep and then euthanize him pain free?

[Mand'alor Dash 2,224]

Atheist with an asterisk. I believe the idea of a deity is based on an outdated philosophy from a time when science hadn't advanced to nearly the level it has today. We don't need creation myths in an age with quantum physics.

 

However, I don't deny the possibility of a god. No good scientist would ever call anything impossible. I just think it's really, really, really unlikely, and based on a premise that has little to no scientific merit.

 

And, like any good scientist, I seek to be proven wrong. If a god really exists, then we'll find out some day. If not, then we'll find the real secrets behind the universe in due time.

[John 793]

Atheist with an asterisk. I believe the idea of a deity is based on an outdated philosophy from a time when science hadn't advanced to nearly the level it has today. We don't need creation myths in an age with quantum physics.

 

However, I don't deny the possibility of a god. No good scientist would ever call anything impossible. I just think it's really, really, really unlikely, and based on a premise that has little to no scientific merit.

 

And, like any good scientist, I seek to be proven wrong. If a god really exists, then we'll find out some day. If not, then we'll find the real secrets behind the universe in due time.

 

I like this post.  You present your opinion respectfully and give depth to your reasons for having your beliefs.  As someone studying in a field of hard science, I too have some level of understanding for what you are trying to say.

 

My only critique is how you throw around the word "quantum physics" which really has almost nothing to do with philosophy and religion.

Edited July 25, 2013 by John

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

While lively and impassioned debate is a given with these sorts of topics, I would ask all participants to ensure that they are not letting their emotions get the best of them, and that they remain respectful to their intellectual opponents, however vociferously they may disagree with their stance.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Full Spectrum

[John 793]

Who is this "Full Spectrum" person getting in the way of our debate?

 

*Sees mod status*

 

Ohhh!!  Sorry!  Ok!  We'll keep everything in order.

*stands straight*

 

 

 

But really we should tone it down a bit.  Instead of asserting ourselves past the point of shooting down other people's beliefs, lets respect each other and debate in a more rational and less destructive manor.

[MLPForums Phanact 1,374]

I'm pretty sure if you took two samples of DNA and ran them against each other that they wouldn't be a perfect match and various traits and conditions which I possess would show. A fetus may have thoughts or memories but I once again reiterate that I believe the existing should take preference over the potential. No one can guarantee that the fetus will not be miscarried further on in the pregnancy and allowing a woman to die to give even a SLIM chance of the fetus a chance is pointless when that woman can abort the fetus and then have a safer pregnancy (I'm referring to an ectopic pregnancy here.)

 

Pain is important because that is what most republicans use to argue their case using and i presume you're a republican because you're anti-choice (not pro-life, pro-life would be to support the existing life of the woman). If the fetus doesn't feel pain then the only other ethic is the fetus having memories.

 

Edit: I apologise if I've come across as insulting or offensive and I've edited out the last sentence of this as in your latest post you were polite to me again.

 

EditEdit: My statement regarding republicans also using the pain issue towards abortion is regarding the Texas Fetal Pain Bill.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Kaz

[Mand'alor Dash 2,224]

I like this post.  You present your opinion respectfully and give depth to your reasons for having your beliefs.  As someone studying in a field of hard science, I too have some level of understanding for what you are trying to say.

 

My only critique is how you throw around the word "quantum physics" which really has almost nothing to do with philosophy and religion.

Heh, thanks. And the "quantum physics" bit was just meant as some metaphorical, half-joking technobabble as a way of saying "LOOK AT ALL THE SCIENCE WE HAVE!"

 

I look forward to a rational discourse on the existence of a higher power, if you're up for it. /)

[John 793]

I'm pretty sure if you took two samples of DNA and ran them against each other that they wouldn't be a perfect match and various traits and conditions which I possess would show. 

 

Nope.  I'm saying if I did not know what you or the fetus looked like.  Maybe I would know by witnessing the self-centered gene though. [only kidding]

 

 

A fetus may have thoughts or memories but I once again reiterate that I believe the existing should take preference over the potential.

Not "potential."  As I've said before, the fetus is actually alive.  Go have a fun debate with a medical doctor or a biologist if you think its dead.  And yes, if the woman is going to be killed, (which is extraordinarily rare with western medicine) her life should be protected, even though the doctors should still try to do as best as they can to also preserve the babie's life.

 

 

No one can guarantee that the fetus will not be miscarried further on in the pregnancy and allowing a woman to die to give even a SLIM chance of the fetus a chance is pointless when that woman can abort the fetus and then have a safer pregnancy (I'm referring to an ectopic pregnancy here.)

 

No one can guarantee that the women won't have a colestorol induced heart attack either.  Anything can happen, it doesn't mean we should assume it will.  And read above, I said the woman's life should be preserved at all costs.

 

 

Pain is important because that is what most republicans use to argue their case using and i presume you're a republican because you're anti-choice (not pro-life, pro-life would be to support the existing life of the woman). If the fetus doesn't feel pain then the only other ethic is the fetus having memories.

 

Sorry Bro, but I'm not a Republican, OR a democrat, or any political party for that matter.  Their just two scapegoats to keep the government in a constant balance of not accomplishing anything.

I would argue that I'm purely "pro life" as I don't want anyone to die.  Woman, or fetus and if the woman's life is being threatened and the doctors have no choice but to kill the fetus, then they have to as there's no other option but they should still look for ways to preserve both lives.

And I'm not a republican, so explain again to me why pain is so important and why it trumps human qualities?