Anyone else very dissatisfied with these five episodes?

[Scootalove 10,689]

Then why did you use the "over hyped" response?

I used it because, I've seen people come in with high expectations for an episode and expect it to be good because of all of the hype that an episode can have around it.

[Static Electricity 729]

I used it because, I've seen people come in with high expectations for an episode and expect it to be good because of all of the hype that an episode can have around it.

Why did you use here then? You said his reasons were valid.

[Gone Airborne 22,007]

Uhh lol this happens to be my favorite season thus far and it has only been 5 episodes... This season is AWESOME! Open your eyes my man.

[Scootalove 10,689]

Why did you use here then? You said his reasons were valid.

I had to end this somehow, it's better to just agree with it and move on.

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[Static Electricity 729]

I had to end this somehow, it's better to just agree with it and move on.

K.

 

 

Uhh lol this happens to be my favorite season thus far and it has only been 5 episodes... This season is AWESOME! Open your eyes my man.

Are his points not valid? Please elaborate.

[Scootalove 10,689]

K.

 

 

Well, I guess we can all agree on something.

[WarriorShy 48]

have a cider, hear these

and we talk later      

Edited December 18, 2013 by WarriorShy

[ReverseFaller 2,484]

This season has been decent enough so far. I will say that it is very different from what I expected, and the whole show has kind of a new vibe to it. This is a good thing in my eyes, as it keeps the show fresh and interesting.

[PurplePony 484]

Never been disapointed in ponies and I have been a fan since G1. It always makes me smile and feel good, people are putting too much thought into a kids show and trying to make sense of it all in one episode, the big picture will become clear so for now just smile and enjoy it? I dunno thoughts of a G1 fan.... we are weird? o.0

[Static Electricity 729]

It always makes me smile and feel good, people are putting too much thought into a kids show and trying to make sense of it all in one episode, the big picture will become clear so for now just smile and enjoy it?

>:/

 

Did you actually read his post? This isn't just nitpicking, he has actual, valid reasons to dislike the new episodes

 

"It's just a kid's show" is not a valid argument.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Static Electricity

[Octavia's Melody 128]

Um. Are you serious? Or are you just joking?

 

Cause everything you stated in that post as a bad thing, is something I enjoy and/or have seen evidence that most of the fandom enjoys it.

 

Sorry that you are so nitpicky, but hey, it's your funeral. (And 'it's your funeral' is an expression, don't take it the wrong way.)

 

 

Come on guys, we're barely 1/6th through the season. I've added an obligatory 'so far' to the topic title.

 

 

I think its too early to complain. So far this season has been an improvement in my opinion.

All of this. I'm starting to become more dissatisfied with everyone's nitpicking about Season 4 than anything. Honestly, I think the episodes have been great thus far and can't wait to see what more they have in store for us. If you don't like it, don't watch it, simple as that. There's no reason to go out of your way to complain about the show and try to ruin it for others, but hey every fandom will have their few (know this all too well from being an active member of TFW2005)  :okiedokielokie:

[WarriorShy 48]

I think that if you don't like the new season, don't continue watching it 

whats the point of still watch it if you dont like it?

[Static Electricity 729]

All of this. I'm starting to become more dissatisfied with everyone's nitpicking about Season 4 than anything. Honestly, I think the episodes have been great thus far and can't wait to see what more they have in store for us. If you don't like it, don't watch it, simple as that. There's no reason to go out of your way to complain about the show and try to ruin it for others, but hey every fandom will have their few (know this all too well from being an active member of TFW2005)  :okiedokielokie:

1: The OP already changed the title to "these five episodes"

 

2: He's not just nitpicking, he has valid reasons to dislike this. If you think his reasons are not valid, please elaborate.

 

3: "Don't like don't watch" is a logically fallacious argument as it fails to take into account the points the critic has made. If you don't like his opinion then don't read it. Also, he never said he doesn't like it, he only said that he is so far dissatisfied with these 5 eps.

 

4: How is he going out of his way to complain? This is a forum about discussing ponies, the OP has made valid points and is stating his opinion respectfully. He is not attacking or insult people who disagree with him, hoe is he ruining it for others?

Edited December 18, 2013 by Static Electricity

[PurplePony 484]

Woah, I did read the origional post. I get what he means yes the show has flaws yes it does not gonna argue. BUT all I meant to say was for me the pros out weigh the con's I love the feel good smile show. always have. I didn't mean to bash or be bashed geese its just a point of view

[Static Electricity 729]

Woah, I did read the origional post. I get what he means yes the show has flaws yes it does not gonna argue. BUT all I meant to say was for me the pros out weigh the con's I love the feel good smile show. always have. I didn't mean to bash or be bashed geese its just a point of view

Okay then O.o

 

I don't what the problem is then :/

[PurplePony 484]

just offering a different point of view is all, I dunno why you jumped down my throat, and maybe i took it personaly (character flaw) in wich case I am sorry. All I said is that I love the show and won't flaw it. To me it is great. I get his points they make sense but I can't fault the show I love.... lol don't get so defensive xD that is the problem! people get so defensive instead of looking from another point of view, that is what i think.

 

@ Static Electricity... srry? lol i dunno what to say confusion I is o.0

[Static Electricity 729]

just offering a different point of view is all, I dunno why you jumped down my throat, and maybe i took it personaly (character flaw) in wich case I am sorry. All I said is that I love the show and won't flaw it. To me it is great. I get his points they make sense but I can't fault the show I love.... lol don't get so defensive xD that is the problem! people get so defensive instead of looking from another point of view, that is what i think.

 

@ Static Electricity... srry? lol i dunno what to say confusion I is o.0

Oh, sorry about that

 

Nevermind.

[PurplePony 484]

 lol my fault for being stoned and not saying everything I was thinking too! but thanks for the debate, twas fun 

[Hyper Tumble 1,483]

I have to disagree with you; I've really enjoyed the season so far. AJ was awesome in the premier as well as Castle-maneia, and they at least acknowledged Scootaloo not being able to fly, and showed that they might in fact write her to fly later on.

[Koelath 445]

I'll break down my concerns with this season into a few categories to make it more simple:

 

The Directing

The directing in this season is all out of whack, in my opinion. I'm noticing a lot of camera angles from weird, diagonal points of view which create a nauseating experience. I perceive a huge emphasis on empty space in certain shots, and the movement and placement of the characters is completely unnatural and all around random. Example: Rainbow Dash falls face flat on the ground at Twilight's library, Fluttershy's head pops in from the left, leaves, Pinkie pops in from the top, leaves; it all makes for a disorienting experience that was not present in the show before this point. Several times in Daring Don't the entirety of the mane six will just pop up from the ground together, it seems rather lazily done.

 

The Emotion, Meaningfulness, and Premise

MLP was a one of a kind experience for me, in that it was one of the few things I'd ever seen that made me emotional. I loved the characters, the stories were heartfelt, and the lessons were truly meaningful and I could apply them to my own life. Yet, these five episodes have felt devoid of anything of the sort. The characters are all completely out of character in each episode, all displaying an overwhelming amount of hostility and annoyance at each other, for no good reason. They toss around the word "friendship" without any reasoning behind it, and it seems as if they're all just saying their "memorable lines" just to make you think, "Yep, it's still the same old characters." without actually providing any substance.

 

MLP was very unique in that it featured characters and storylines that were female oriented, and portrayed female characters in ways not often seen in normal media. It took the real, emotional female spirit filled with warmth, heart, and a certain kind of strength that no other form of media had ever expressed to me. It really helped me become aware of the female reality and everything it has to offer, and I became genuinely interested and happy learning about it. This is no longer present. I cannot stress enough that Season 4 seems made with bronies in mind, and if not that, then at least adults in general.

 

You can tell that the focus is on "action adventure" stories, and even aside from that, the characters themselves are all acting rather "boyish" in my opinion with their mannerisms and behavior. It just doesn't seem natural anymore, and the entire concept that made this show brilliant just feels like it's been brushed aside in favor of more predictable storytelling. The characters all seem like they're men now with the way they're portrayed, or at the very least, female characters as portrayed in typical male-oriented media.

 

The Animation and Voicing

This isn't really a big game changer, but obviously when major aspects of a show like this fall apart, other aspects follow suit. The animation style seems rather off this season, in ways I have not seen before. The characters' movements seem rather jerky at times, and I cannot stand that new lighting effect (Canterlot Stained Glass Window hallway, end of Daring Don't in the sunset). The characters are for some reason making rather obnoxious, ugly looking faces (mane six in Castle Mane-ia, Ms. Harshwhinny and RD in Flight to the Finish) that detracts from the appealing beauty and charm they once had. It's a small gripe, but it does add to the overall dissatisfaction. I can't entirely blame the voice actors, moreso I blame the voice directing and script itself, but I get really annoyed listening to the characters. It's like they're all speaking in the most annoying fashion possible purposely. Again, just another small gripe.

 

The Music

Like the animation and voicing, the music seems very bland and dull. One huge example is the Nightmare Moon transformation scene, where I felt like I was being treated to the most mundane, boring song ever. The song "Hearts Strong As Horses" not only has very convoluted sounding lyrics, but the background beats and rhythm seems uninspired and unenthusiastic sounding, not to mention the song seeming like it doesn't even need to be happening in the first place. Like I said before, these aspects all follow one another, like a big row of dominos. If one falls, they all fall, the way I see it.

 

Now, on to my final, and largest gripe: The Discarding of The Elements of Harmony

I cannot stress enough how incredibly moronic this is. The EoH were not just their Kamehameha Necklaces or their Blast The Baddy Beams, they symbolized their bond of friendship, in essence, they WERE them. Nightmare Moon destroyed the EoH in FiM Pt 2, they represent the EoH's spirits, and they embodied them. They did not just pick them up from the dollar store. It seemed to me like the writers think they're doing something smart by getting rid of them (again, I got "pleasing the raging bronies" vibes), and were not putting any consideration into what they were doing. Also, the Tree of Harmony is just out of nowhere and makes no sense.

 

This show is called "Friendship is Magic", and Twilight has the nerve to say, "It's our friendship, and it's more important and more powerful than any magic." Excuse me? Friendship IS magic. They ARE the EoH. They are one and the same. Don't take my word for it, just look at MMC. Their destinies, their cutie marks were changed by Twilight's spell, as were their elements, because they are one. They even went through all of this in that episode, using the power of their friendship to return them to their true destinies, and to restore their elements, because they're one in the same. Then again, they disregarded her positive ascension to princess from MMC, so it's natural to assume they'd disreard that as well. That's not to say that they won't have some sort of solution in the S4 finale, but it still wouldn't justify it.

 

Now, it's only five episodes in, but no other season had five awful episodes, and no episodes I disliked before I ever disliked in this fashion. This season may get better, somehow, but I strongly doubt it. The following episodes that have been revealed so far do not sound promising. Jim Miller is Co-Director starting with this season (I think he was involved in the movie too, but I loved that), Meghan McCarthy and Jayson Thiessen are now Co-Executive Producers, Chris Bartleman (sp) left the team, as did James Wootton (sp), and there are a bunch of new writers with not that much under their belts. I think all of those factors are partly responsible for this season's outcome. Also, many (if not all) cartoons I've seen go downhill after their big movie premiere, because they seem to crack under their pressure. Plus, the natural fate of losing inspiration and creativity with a show's fourth or fifth season is also an undeniable factor, one that I could have seen being avoided if they had transformed and expanded the show with Twilight's ascension to princess.

 

I have more details I could say in greater length, but these are all of my general thoughts on Season 4 so far. That being said, I refuse to quit the show, and I'll watch it through to the end (plus I already bought the Season Pass on iTunes...).

 

1) Dash fell on her face? ALERT THE MEDIA, HOW TERRIBLE! ...Really? Honestly, ponies have done the popping in and out before. And there's nothing wrong with the lighting in any of the episodes I've seen.

 

2) The show has the same premise it's always had. There's no major hostility between anybody. You're just imagining it. As for the "meaningfulness", the series is made to sell toys. That is its ONLY inherent meaning. And again, quit trying to make it a gender thing.

 

3) The voices haven't changed...And the animation hasn't changed much either. "I think they make ugly faces!" is not a valid criticism.

 

4) Yes, the horse-heart song wasn't very good. So? They can't all be winners. Sue Ingram if it makes you feel better. Oh, and some music in one scene about Nightmare Moon wasn't the best? Well, damn. Abandon ship!

 

5) Jewelry is not necessary to symbolize a friendship. The very concept of friendship symbolizes itself just fine. What a ridiculous complaint. The ponies and the EoH are NOT one and the same. Before the mane six, Celestia and Luna held the EoH. They're just symbolic weaponry. The Tree of Harmony is only as much "out of nowhere" as all the other stuff suddenly introduced without warning throughout the series (wendigos, Discord, changelings, Zecora...) and makes perfect sense within the show's fictional universe. MMC is entirely irrelevant to your point: The spell she cast was on the Elements. An incomplete spell which disturbed the 'harmony' of the Elements and by extension disturbed the destinies of those connected to the Elements. Yes, it changed their destinies around but only because they were the ones connected to the Elements at the time. If the same incomplete spell had been cast back when Celestia and Luna held the Elements, it would've affected them the same.

 

 

None of these criticisms holds very well. "I don't like the lighting!", "I think their faces are ugly!", "The music in one scene isn't what I think it should be, and one of the songs is boring!" ...These are asinine nitpicks at best.

[MatrixChicken 879]

While I don't agree with every criticism the OP delivers, I definitely agree that these first episodes have been sub-par in my opinion and, in fact, some of my least favorite episodes ever.

 

An hour later (seriously)...

 

Shoot. I've tried a couple times to explain my dislike of season 4 so far, but I've failed every time... I'd have to make a live commentary or something to really say what I want to.

 

Y'know, maybe I should do that... xD

[Thrashy 2,800]

>:/

 

Did you actually read his post? This isn't just nitpicking, he has actual, valid reasons to dislike the new episodes

 

"It's just a kid's show" is not a valid argument.

 

No offense, but it seems you've been doing quite a bit of white knighting in OP's defense. I'd consider letting him speak for himself, but that's just me.

 

A nitpick, if I may define it for you, is basically just a minor complaint. And even though OP considers his complaints to be major, show-ruining problems, many others aren't nearly as bothered by them. Therefore, those of us who don't find so egregious what he finds egregious have every right to regard them as nitpicks. Remember, a person's complaints may be valid - his are, and I've noticed just about all the things he's pointed out - but that doesn't mean they carry the same weight for everyone.

 

Like so many other things in life, television is a subjective experience; everybody may be watching the same objectively definable events unfold, but it is up to each viewer to determine for him/herself how to interpret or be emotionally impacted by them. I'm sorry se04 has negatively impacted OP and quite a few others so far, but the show isn't in our hands. Either gotta roll with the punches or leave the show behind.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Lord Thrashicane

[Static Electricity 729]

No offense, but it seems you've been doing quite a bit of white knighting in OP's defense. I'd consider letting him speak for himself, but that's just me.

None taken. I do it mostly because people just jump on him without addressing his points.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Static Electricity

[Rainboom Dash 1,056]

I would disagree, these five episodes have been brilliant and this is looking to be the best season ever. I respect your points of view though.