Elsa vs Celestia

[Hive King 1,998]

Elsa from Frozen goes up against Celestia in a battle to decide who makes the most badass ruler. Who wins?!

 

Rules

Both are IC except for being blood lusted

Elsa can summon her snow golems if needed

Winning via BFR or restraint is allowed

They're on the North Mountain

Elsa is in her Post Thaw power level stage

Celestia can fly around as needed but if she leaves Elsa's range of sight, it counts as a BFR

 

My bet goes on Elsa. Each of the snowlems has shown enough power to casually uproot trees and Elsa is able to create ice out of nothing. Celestia isn't surviving having a giant castle dropped on top of her

[Sugar Pea 2,681]

I would place my bets on Elsa. I mean, Celestia got her butt handed to by countless foes. To be frank, the only battle I have even seen her won was against her own sister. So between Celestia's power and Elsa's, I gotta go with Elsa. Sorry Celestia.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Flipturn

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Unless you can explain to me how Elsa's going to resist telekinisis that can move a star around, Celestia can just simply ensnare Elsa through her telekinesis alone and throw her off planet, let alone her other spells.

[Colorful Respawn 399]

I don't like Celestia anyways, and Elsa is hot, so Elsa for me.

[Henny Penny Benny 936]

I don't like Celestia anyways, and Elsa is hot, so Elsa for me.

 

Solid logic. Can't argue with that.

[Demirari 454]

I don't personally think this is going to be a contest. I'm all pro-human and Human FTW! But Princess Celestia is old as hell and can do magic. She even controls the sun—a solid giant mass of fire. So Elsa is really outcompeted here against a pony that probably can melt anything that is thrown at her.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Demirari

[StarSwirlTheBearded 356]

MLP is better than Frozen (from what I can gather).  Thus, Celestia beats Elsa.

 

Jokes aside, Celestia can move the sun.  She could probably nuke Elsa if she wanted.  I have never seen Frozen, but that princess can probably only do stuff involving snow and ice.  Celestia's sun can melt snow.

[Jorguil 54]

Well I do not know much about Elsa but taking in the science of Celestia's feat she moves the sun which is over 90 million miles from what I would respectful say is probably the same distance as earth. The suns size 1,300,000 Earths should fit inside the Sun. This given her magical force she could just pop Elsa's head from anywhere and not even get a thought across.

[Hive King 1,998]

Okay, people seem to use Celestia's sun movement as a serious thing. Nope, it means jack shit. If she was so powerful, how come Nightmare Moon's stone pillar leveling blasts bring her to her knees? 

 

Celestia's move the Sun spell is very specific because it can only move the Sun. Celestia was getting owned by vines of all things, vines that AJ could tear apart!

 

Unless you can explain to me how Elsa's going to resist telekinisis that can move a star around, Celestia can just simply ensnare Elsa through her telekinesis alone and throw her off planet, let alone her other spells.

Refer to my above argument and considering the fact that telekinesis does not stop magic, she could keep firing ice blasts or what not

 

I don't personally think this is going to be a contest. I'm all pro-human and Human FTW! But Princess Celestia is old as hell and can do magic. She even controls the sun—a solid giant mass of fire. So Elsa is really outcompeted here against a pony that probably can melt anything that is thrown at her.

Can Celestia melt an icicle appearing inside her brain? And when has she ever used heat based attacks? Chrysalis's beam melted her horn, it's not like she's especially resistant to heat

 

MLP is better than Frozen (from what I can gather).  Thus, Celestia beats Elsa.

 

Jokes aside, Celestia can move the sun.  She could probably nuke Elsa if she wanted.  I have never seen Frozen, but that princess can probably only do stuff involving snow and ice.  Celestia's sun can melt snow.

Elsa froze summer, unless Celestia is willing to kill herself, she's not melting Elsa's magic. As for nuking Elsa, that would kill Celestia as well via  the splash damage

 

Well I do not know much about Elsa but taking in the science of Celestia's feat she moves the sun which is over 90 million miles from what I would respectful say is probably the same distance as earth. The suns size 1,300,000 Earths should fit inside the Sun. This given her magical force she could just pop Elsa's head from anywhere and not even get a thought across.

The Sun in the MLP verse is not impressive at all. Regular unicorns moved it around regularly. For some reason, moving the Sun is a piss poor feat there

[Bitrates 108]

May I request that during the battle elsas dress gets torn in places to make it an even more enjoyable show? if so then my vote to Elsa  the sexiest character Disney has ever made 

[Hive King 1,998]

@@Bitrates,

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[Demirari 454]

Okay, people seem to use Celestia's sun movement as a serious thing. Nope, it means jack shit. If she was so powerful, how come Nightmare Moon's stone pillar leveling blasts bring her to her knees? 

 

Celestia's move the Sun spell is very specific because it can only move the Sun. Celestia was getting owned by vines of all things, vines that AJ could tear apart!

 

Refer to my above argument and considering the fact that telekinesis does not stop magic, she could keep firing ice blasts or what not

 

Can Celestia melt an icicle appearing inside her brain? And when has she ever used heat based attacks? Chrysalis's beam melted her horn, it's not like she's especially resistant to heat

 

Elsa froze summer, unless Celestia is willing to kill herself, she's not melting Elsa's magic. As for nuking Elsa, that would kill Celestia as well via  the splash damage

 

The Sun in the MLP verse is not impressive at all. Regular unicorns moved it around regularly. For some reason, moving the Sun is a piss poor feat there

The thing is, we don't really know how capable Princess Celestia is. The show never really bothered to explain her mightiness, and one cannot simply jump into the conclusion that she can't stop an icicle from forming inside her damn head. If it was that easy, then an unicorn that knows enough magic to cool down ice or to form ice should be able to kill Princess Celestia easy as pie. (Referring to Rarity using her magic to shape clouds and make them rain and stuff.)

 

I'm assuming that Princess Celestia must know a lot about magic, even if the show never really bothered to detail it. And Nightmare Moon might not been at her full power or wasn't using her full potential. 

 

And I'd like to refer to the comics where Princess Celestia pulled a damn moon down to earth. In order to move such a mass (MLP Moon is probably smaller, using the size reference. But who knows,) one must be very powerful. And if one can move the moon, I'm sure Princess Celestia can fling Elsa into outer space with ease. 

[FoqueMe 44]

.... one of them has the power of ice, the other has the power of the sun.  Now, what's that stuff that melts in late spring/early summer, or if you leave it out on a hot day?  

[Hive King 1,998]

@@Demirari,

Celestia has guards around her, clearly she's not as powerful as people think. It's not like these guards are anything special either, NMM knocked them on their asses

 

Comics being canon is debatable

@@FoqueMe,

Elsa's ice froze summer by accident with no strain on her part, I doubt unless Celestia is willing to kill herself, that she'll melt it 

[Demirari 454]

@@Demirari,

Celestia has guards around her, clearly she's not as powerful as people think. It's not like these guards are anything special either, NMM knocked them on their asses

 

Comics being canon is debatable

@@FoqueMe,

Elsa's ice froze summer by accident with no strain on her part, I doubt unless Celestia is willing to kill herself, that she'll melt it 

Assuming the comics are canon, then Celestia can still fling her into outer-space right? 

 

And the guards could be symbolism. I mean, there are a lot of stories, comics, and movies about guards around the main antagonist. Then it is later proved that the antagonist is really powerful and won't need any guards in the first place. 

[Hive King 1,998]

@@Demirari,

Maybe. But if Celestia was that powerful, I'd think that Chrysalis's beam should have sent her into the stratosphere if it overpowered hers

 

Yeah, but those are for villains. In their case, it's mostly because they are too lazy to fight for themselves and use them as status symbol. Celestia is not lazy nor is she the type to go "I have guards, look how cool I am!". If she didn't need them, she wouldn't bring them along

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Okay, people seem to use Celestia's sun movement as a serious thing. Nope, it means jack shit. If she was so powerful, how come Nightmare Moon's stone pillar leveling blasts bring her to her knees? 

 

Celestia's move the Sun spell is very specific because it can only move the Sun. Celestia was getting owned by vines of all things, vines that AJ could tear apart!

 

Refer to my above argument and considering the fact that telekinesis does not stop magic, she could keep firing ice blasts or what not

 

Can Celestia melt an icicle appearing inside her brain? And when has she ever used heat based attacks? Chrysalis's beam melted her horn, it's not like she's especially resistant to heat

 

Elsa froze summer, unless Celestia is willing to kill herself, she's not melting Elsa's magic. As for nuking Elsa, that would kill Celestia as well via  the splash damage

 

The Sun in the MLP verse is not impressive at all. Regular unicorns moved it around regularly. For some reason, moving the Sun is a piss poor feat there

 

1. You mean surviving attacks from a foe that is more powerful than her (was able to banish and seal her inside the sun upon her return) and she wasn't trying to fight back until she used the elements of harmony?

 

2. Those vines were powered by Discord, the only being that can hand the sisters their asses in straight up combat in MLP FIM verse thus far, as they were also draining magic from the Tree of Harmony, the same tree that empowered the only objects that can actually seal him away so they can capture the princesses when they hatched.

 

3. Not if said telekinisis can move her away from the target, easily restrain her from conducting any spells or even attack her, and teleport her away through BFR which Twilight, her student, has shown she can do so why can't the teacher do it herself.

 

4. Can Elsa survive getting teleported to the sun, turned to a baby or grannie, transmutated to a fruit, or even have Celestia teleport inside her? Unless you show that elsa's reaction speed is above lighting level which thanks to Rainbow Dash an atheletic pegasus being a lighting dodger, and hypersonic speeds thanks to Luna who was able to fly and move at such speeds from the moon to earth without the use of teleportation, it's far more likely Celestia will make the first move before Elsa can react.

 

5. Considering Celestia was able to handle being inside the Sun itself, even after she had been freed from imprisonment, I would say she has far greater tolerance levels for heat than Elsa does so Elsa will far more likely die from the heat before Celestia will.

 

6. I find it funny that you consider controlling the sun is unimpressive in FIM verse when that feat easily outshines anything the Holy Shounen Trinity and many other verses have shown.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Nuke87654

[An Old Head 4,815]

Seeing as this thread explicitly references Celestia, one of the MLP characters, I've moved this thread over to Sugarcube Corner. Just letting y'all know.

[Demirari 454]

@,

Status symbol? What about the entire Canterlot city? She may have guards due to the concern of her citizens and may have guards to protect Canterlot. These are Royal Guards that protect Canterlot. And really, despite the protest of a royal official, a good guard would still follow along, I mean, that is what guards are there for. They are to protect the princesses while also protecting the city.

 

Not always that a beam would push someone somewhere else. MLP is a show, not a show where people are thrown through bricks and shot into space. So some rules are to be sacrificed to maintain a children-friendly appearance and it is still a cartoon. 

And remember, Celestia is still moving the sun. Now, yeah unicorns could move the sun. But the sun would still need to be a good size and a good temperature in order to make sure that the planet is getting the sunlight and hot enough to supply the planet with heat. 

[Hive King 1,998]

 

 

1. You mean surviving attacks from a foe that is more powerful than her (was able to banish and seal her inside the sun upon her return) and she wasn't trying to fight back until she used the elements of harmony?

I saw what NMM's blasts did to stone...it was unimpressive. If Celestia was brought to her knees by that, she is a glass cannon supreme. So is Elsa, to be fair

 

 

2. Those vines were powered by Discord, the only being that can hand the sisters their asses in straight up combat in MLP FIM verse thus far, as they were also draining magic from the Tree of Harmony, the same tree that empowered the only objects that can actually seal him away so they can capture the princesses when they hatched.

Yet AJ was tearing them apart? Great feat

 

 

3. Not if said telekinisis can move her away from the target, easily restrain her from conducting any spells or even attack her, and teleport her away through BFR which Twilight, her student, has shown she can do so why can't the teacher do it herself.

 

Elsa has show the ability to do pulses of power around her, that would be an easy way to break telekinesis

 

Again, according to Spike, magic usually focuses on just one discipline. We don't know if Celestia can teleport combo other people and even if she could, Twilight's teleport combo has never moved someone more than a few feet

 

 

4. Can Elsa survive getting teleported to the sun, turned to a baby or grannie, transmutated to a fruit, or even have Celestia teleport inside her? Unless you show that elsa's reaction speed is above lighting level which thanks to Rainbow Dash an atheletic pegasus being a lighting dodger, and Luna who was able to fly and move at hypersonic speeds from the moon to earth without the use of teleportation, it's far more likely Celestia will make the first move before Elsa can react.

Celestia can't teleport things to the Sun, if she could, she would have done that to Chrysalis. The age spell is interesting as is transmutation, but since the unicorns never use them for battle in the show, for some reason, they are useless in combat. Either that, or Celestia is an idiot strategist. Teleporting inside Elsa would be a bad idea considering Elsa's internal body temperature is apparenty really cold. Even if Celestia can take the cold, she'd die in the process from a bone splinter or what not impaling her

 

 

5. Considering Celestia was able to handle being inside the Sun itself, even after she had been freed from imprisonment, I would say she has far greater tolerance levels for heat than Elsa does so Elsa will far more likely die from the heat before Celestia will.

They aren't literally inside of the celestial bodies. You have two options

The Moon in MLP is smaller than a pony

Or it's a magic seal

 

 

6. I find it funny that you consider controlling the sun is unimpressive in FIM verse when that feat easily outshines anything the Holy Shounen Trinity and many other verses have shown.

The HST is weak as shit though. In any case, the Sun in the MLP verse is either tiny, or it's just a magic seal. There's also the dragons not respecting Celestia, if she were so powerful, they'd be afraid

@@Demirari,

We don't know if she built that or not. No, if Celestia says something, the ponies always obey.

 

I find it funny how you mention ponies aren't shot into space. Remember this?

 Again, Celestial bodies in the Fim universe are small enough that you can see ponies on them

[Dattebayo 2,850]

God damn it, this thread.

 

North Mountain?

Why not somewhere that's on...I don't know...neutral ground?

This just screams of favoritism. 

 

Not that it'll help her. It's just that you're misguided by the notion that homefield-advantage will give her some sort of..well, advatage.

It will not. Snow is snow, Elsa's ice melts, and it never shows or metions that it doesn't.

Celestia controls the sun. While, as you keep arguing, she's not going to drop the sun on Else, she can still bring it just close enough to dry the air up and effectively render Elsa's powers useless.

 

And if I was being a d*ck, I'd say Elsa is also a big whiny baby, and Celestia has shown to be a smooth talker...

She can pull a Shepard and convince her to, I don't know, give up or suicide or something.

 

Also. Celestia is a +1000 year old Demigod. Elsa is a human with ice powers.

[Demirari 454]

@,

That was where Nightmare Moon was banished into the moon. And what I meant was that the show wasn't blasting them through walls, showing injuries before being thrown into space or killed outright.

 

Seeing ponies? Small enough? Ridiculous. There is no way a pony could be seen on a moon in space. There is a limitation on how far the human or pony eye for this matter can see. And if an object is in space, you are not going to be seeing the pony. Unless the object is very close, even then, it would be very hard to see a pony on the moon unless you are in the sky and very near the moon itself.  

 

And if you mean Nightmare Moon/ Princess Luna being on the moon. The giant mare face was just on there as a symbol that she was banished.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Demirari

[Hive King 1,998]

@@Demirari,

What i'm saying is that if Celestia's beam was PUSHED back by Chrysalis's, it should have sent Celestia flying too if she was so powerful

 

A symbol? Yeah, how would that work? The Moon is either tiny or it was a magic seal  and actually wasn't on the moon

[Demirari 454]

@,

She was sent flying, but she wasn't sent very far.

 

It is cartoon logic. That means anything is possible, so the mare face on the moon is possible. Unless you are saying that 3/4 of Luna's body was cut in half and the face and neck area was taped onto it?  

 

She was probably banished into the inside of the moon or on the moon surface with the mare face showing that she was banished there and still is there. The face could also symbolize her power being locked in the moon as she stayed there. But this isn't about that. 

Edited April 9, 2014 by Demirari

[Hive King 1,998]

@@Demirari, 

No, even her crown, which was hit dead on by the blast, only went up a few feet. Celestia should have gotten the team rocket treatment if this is the power chain

 

Chrysalis's Beam>Celestia>Celestia's Beam>Distance from Moon to Earth

 

Maybe the stars made up her body? The stars in the MLP verse are tiny