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1 hour ago, Denim&Venom said:

So here's a question. What high impact non- finishers and signiture moves from today or the last 5 years would be considered finisher moves in the 90s? (finishers that are now signitures or ordinary moves don't count IE: piledrivers, powerbombs, DDTs, cutters, etc.)

For example, I think the following would've been good new generation/ attitude Era finishers:

-roman reings one arm power bomb

-baron corbins deep six

-ray rowes ace ten mao

-sheamus's crucifix back breaker

-nakamuras reverse exploder

 

I think the old Tye Breaker/Fireman's Carry Neckbreaker looks pretty cool, TBH. 

Does that count since Tye Dillinger doesn't perform the move the same way anymore?

Edited November 13, 2017 by Sparklefan1234

[Denim&Venöm 16,522]

1 hour ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

I think the old Tye Breaker/Fireman's Carry Neckbreaker looks pretty cool, TBH. 

Does that count since Tye Dillinger doesn't perform the move the same way anymore?

Talking about the ushi garoshi (think that's how it's spelled). Same moved used by Styles and Hirooki Goto. Yeah, i'd say that works.

Since I couldn't finish my list before break i'll throw in:

-Cena's half Nelson neck breaker

-Orton's inverted back breaker and Canadian rack neck breaker.

-Abyss's military press flap jack

-Styles torture rack bomb.

-pretty much half of kevin Owens offence (spiral fisherman's superplex, sleeper suplex, etc)

[Castle Bleck 19,167]

On 11/2/2017 at 6:04 PM, Denim&Venom said:

We can complain all we want, but nothing is changing. For WWE, business is booming.

Despite the poor booking, dull matches and the overabundance of the McMahons, WWE has kept the attention of over 2 million people each week for 20 years. They have over a million subbed to the network. Merchandise is being moved. Ticket sales are healthy. And most importantly, they are getting fixed income from the USA network, regardless of the critical reception. 

It's lousy, but WWE are making a fortune. Stephanie may not be helping the bottom line, but she isn't exactly hurting it either. 

 

Begrudgingly true.

 

That being said, let me paraphrase Linkara (specifically his final verdict on Holy Terror): "I am an advocate of free speech; I do not deny WWE the right to book this... stuff... nor do I deny others the right to watch it if they so choose. However, this TV belongs to me; it is my property, and I have decided that I do not want Stephanie McMahon on my screen any longer." *Changes the channel whenever she's on.*

Edited November 15, 2017 by A.V.

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I knew that eventually, Team Red would retaliate against Team Blue. This has to be the best revenge segment ever IMO.

 

[Sparklefan1234 161,890]

16 minutes ago, [[-VeNoM-]] said:

I knew that eventually, Team Red would retaliate against Team Blue. This has to be the best revenge segment ever IMO.

 

Where was AJ Styles during all this mayhem?

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@Sparklefan1234

Hmmm, last time I saw him was with Jinder during the backstage segment. Guess officials didn't want those two involved with the Raw invades Smackdown segment. 

[Castle Bleck 19,167]

I get the feeling that Jason Jordan may turn heel and help Team SmackDown win -- as a double middle finger to HHH (for replacing and humiliating him) and Angle (for leaving "his son" high and dry).

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

Looks like Hunter delivered the first universally approved burial in his career.

Let's be honest, nothing against Jason, but the whole storyline with him and Kurt flatout sucked. Give him a better gimmick and turn him heel.

[Castle Bleck 19,167]

45 minutes ago, Mesme Rize said:

Let's be honest, nothing against Jason, but the whole storyline with him and Kurt flatout sucked.

 

Said storyline reminds me of Courage The Cowardly Dog; they're both in the middle of NOWHERE.

 

 

51 minutes ago, Mesme Rize said:

 

 

[Denim&Venöm 16,522]

Well here's a fun bit of news.

You know that big India tour? The one WWE fabricated Jinder Mahal for in order to boost ticket sales? 

 

[Sparklefan1234 161,890]

3 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

Well here's a fun bit of news.

 

This is what happens when you don't study up on your audience WWE. 

 

Edited November 16, 2017 by Sparklefan1234

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13 hours ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

This is what happens when you don't study up on your audience WWE. 

 

From the sounds of things, it's not so much Jinder (though that's probably a big factor) as the exorbitant ticket prices. 

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

New Japan is apparently looking at their most successful year, since 1997.

I freaking love it. Their good promoting and in ring product is paying off, especially with the expanding to the american market.

Another source also claims, that the Dome show tickets sell really good. Some expect that they will have 40000 people in it.

Let it rain baby.

16 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

Well here's a fun bit of news.

You know that big India tour? The one WWE fabricated Jinder Mahal for in order to boost ticket sales? 

 

So basically, that whole 6 months of booking Mahal as a top tier champion and burying Baron Corbin in the process, was totally pointless.

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20 minutes ago, Mesme Rize said:

New Japan is apparently looking at their most successful year, since 1997.

I freaking love it. Their good promoting and in ring product is paying off, especially with the expanding to the american market.

Another source also claims, that the Dome show tickets sell really good. Some expect that they will have 40000 people in it.

Let it rain baby.

 

 

Good for you, NJPW!

 

I hope that you, ROH, etc., continue being what TNA once was: viable alternatives to WWE-opoly.

 

20 minutes ago, Mesme Rize said:

So basically, that whole 6 months of booking Mahal as a top tier champion and burying Baron Corbin in the process, was totally pointless.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2017 by A.V.

[Sparklefan1234 161,890]

34 minutes ago, Denim&Venom said:

From the sounds of things, it's not so much Jinder (though that's probably a big factor) as the exorbitant ticket prices. 

 

What I bolded was what I was referring to. 

 

I do feel bad though, as I initally was pro Jinder Mahal since he was a new face in the main event scene of WWE. 

Unfortunately, for both Jinder & WWE his push ended up being a waste of time.

Edited November 16, 2017 by Sparklefan1234

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Meanwhile, at New Japan HQ...

 

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https://ph.yahoo.com/style/jennifer-hudson-ex-put-fear-life-123000325.html

So, does this explain why Nexus Alumni, David Otunga has not been on TV for a while doing commentary? Well, hope the news is not true and all. D:

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

Anybody excited for Takeover: Wargames tonight?

Wargames is my favorite Gimmick match in the old WCW, some are even considered the best WCW matches ever. I am really surprised WWE took so long to consider bringing it back.

Other then that, I think Mcintyre will retain and Kairi Sane will win the vacant Womens title.

[Sparklefan1234 161,890]

4 hours ago, Mesme Rize said:

Anybody excited for Takeover: Wargames tonight?

Wargames is my favorite Gimmick match in the old WCW, some are even considered the best WCW matches ever. I am really surprised WWE took so long to consider bringing it back.

Other then that, I think Mcintyre will retain and Kairi Sane will win the vacant Womens title.

 

I wonder if WWE will copy WCW's Wargames match exactly or if it will be different somehow. 

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1 minute ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

I wonder if WWE will copy WCW's Wargames match exactly or if it will be different somehow. 

They've removed the roof from the cell... that's the major difference.

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10 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

I wonder if WWE will copy WCW's Wargames match exactly or if it will be different somehow. 

Here is the thing. If they do replicate Wargames as it used to be, they need 2 rings.

[Sparklefan1234 161,890]

9 minutes ago, Vocal Analyst said:

They've removed the roof from the cell... that's the major difference.

 

Just now, Mesme Rize said:

Here is the thing. If they do replicate Wargames as it used to be, they need 2 rings.

 

They should've just made it a normal tornado tag match, IMO. 

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

3 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

 

They should've just made it a normal tornado tag match, IMO. 

Nah, it's still good even with the roof gone. You can't compare a normal tornado with the wargames, as the only way to win it is to make your opponent submit. Pinfalls don't count.

[Sparklefan1234 161,890]

45 minutes ago, Mesme Rize said:

Nah, it's still good even with the roof gone. You can't compare a normal tornado with the wargames, as the only way to win it is to make your opponent submit. Pinfalls don't count.

 

These are WWE's Wargames rules & it looks like pinfalls do count.

 

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/11/2/16598974/wwe-announces-official-wargames-match-rules-for-nxt-takeover

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

1 hour ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

These are WWE's Wargames rules & it looks like pinfalls do count.

 

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/11/2/16598974/wwe-announces-official-wargames-match-rules-for-nxt-takeover

Okay, this actually kinda stupid. Those cages sound kinda pointless and the inclusion of pinfalls just dosen't click for me.

Wargames was promoted like a real war and wars are only won when the enemy surrenders.

I still think it will be good on it's own terms and the fact that they will have 2 rings for the event, which will probably come into play, makes me still curious what they do with it.