Shouldn't there be magic law enforcement after Starlight?

[cider float 2,539]

Doesn't anyone think that they let anyone use any magic spell nilly willy in Equestria? Twilight has misused it, Rarity has been possessed by that evil book, Applebloom has conjured a dangerous "steroid" cutie mark giving magic potion before, the CMC made a love poison on Big Mac and Cheerilee and don't get me started on how Starlight abused time traveling magic-and Starlight still hadn't learned her lesson and performed some kind of quasi mind controlling magic on the mane five. To maintain balance and order, shouldn't certain magic spells be forbidden to use and there be a kind of law enforcement against such a thing? To learning and casting a forbidden spell would get you punishment for example. Just having scrolls of forbidden magic should be enough to put you in prison for example. And it just wouldn't be magic spells but magic artifacts and magic potions like the alicorn amulet, cutie pox potion, love poison etc.

 

Mind Controlling/Hypnotizing - Completely disallowed unless permission for national interrogative purposes

Time Traveling - Completely disallowed unless permission granted for important purpose but must be accompanied by a magic enforcer

Super Enhancement (like the alicorn amulet) - Artifacts and spells that enhances one to use forbidden spells are restricted

Pinkie's Mirror Pond - Access denied. Locked down with magic wards and physical walls.

Age Spells - Only allowed upon oneself or anyone that has given consent. Not allowed on others

Alicorn Amulet - Locked up in a hidden vault

Cutie Pox Potion - N/A

Edited October 4, 2016 by cider float

[Fluttery Shy 102]

Tbh even if they'd found one, look at how useful the Royal Guard is.

[cmarston1 5,964]

This wouldn't have been a problem if the Cutie Remark ended with Twilight using the Cutie mark removal spell on Starlight.

[cider float 2,539]

This wouldn't have been a problem if the Cutie Remark ended with Twilight using the Cutie mark removal spell on Starlight.

I think the Cutie Mark removing spell is pretty dangerous in itself. That should be somewhat restricted to use only by those with the said license. I can see the Cutie Mark removing spell used specifically by magic law enforcers, it's not like it's permenantly removed after all they could just contain it so the magic criminals won't be able to resist or escape prison. They'll be given it back after they serve their time.

Edited October 4, 2016 by cider float

[Castle Bleck 19,449]

This wouldn't have been a problem if the Cutie Remark ended with Twilight using the Cutie mark removal spell on Starlight.

 

Or simply running her through one of those Equestria Games scanners for probational purposes.

[Red Cedar 1,408]

There should have been magical law enforcement after everything Trixie did in Magic Duel. That should have been the wake up call that not every unicorn is a good pony at heart.

[silvadel 1,393]

My theory on this is that it is handled through Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns.  She has it set up so every magical unicorn REALLY wants to attend.  I would figure it is there where Celestia either through magic, or sheer training, whatever is necessary, works towards catching these problems early.  Starlight Glimmer was one of the few magical unicorns who did NOT attend her school and as such she fell through the cracks.

[Crusaders Forever 88]

I will say NO there shouldn't be any enforcement. It would make everything less fun.

[ParadoxicalOutcome 44]

I'm pretty sure Twilight, Starlight and Trixie all did enough to justify being imprisoned for life. But then, that wouldn't be much fun, or in the spirit of the show, now would it?

 

My theory on this is that it is handled through Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns.  She has it set up so every magical unicorn REALLY wants to attend.  I would figure it is there where Celestia either through magic, or sheer training, whatever is necessary, works towards catching these problems early.  Starlight Glimmer was one of the few magical unicorns who did NOT attend her school and as such she fell through the cracks.

It didn't seem to catch Twilight's problems or stop her from casting the "Want It Need It", which appear to have been partly created by the school in the first place. But I guess then you could argue that they don't teach that kind of spells to regular students and that Twilight's problems and spell arsenal are both exceptions because of being Celestia's personal student. But then that questions "How good of a teacher could Celestia be if she didn't notice Twilight's emotional problems or really do much to stop Twilight from using the spells she teaches whenever she wants?".

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Which wouldn't have anything to do with my original statement but still a question to ask if that's the case.

[PoisonClaw 8,174]

Suppose that such an agency existed, one that tracked down and locked away dark or forbidden magics so they couldn't be used and punish those who abused magic in anyway. If that was the case, then they're pretty bad at their jobs.

 

For starters, no one had any idea where the Alicorn Amulet was, which is likely how the shop keeper (who likely has a back room full of such dangerous items) was able to acquire it. Same with the Imagination Manifestation spell, which was locked in a hidden room in the Castle of the Royal Pony Sisters. Plus, Rarity was as much a victim in that case, since she had no idea what the spell was and it ended up compelling her, so once she was freed from it's influence and Luna, Twilight and Cadance (eventually) fixed up the mess, that would be the end of it.

 

Same with Applebloom, who was somehow able to construct a potion that replicated the effects of a disease that had thought o have been eradicated. Speaking of potions, the recipe for the Love Poison was detailed in a book that, supposedly, anyone could pick up at their local library, so try to wrap your head around that. Then, Starswirl's Time Spell was in a secure wing of the palace that few could enter. I have no idea for StarlighT got it, but even then it could only be used once and only to create a stable time loop. No one imagined that Starlight would be able to radically rewrite it.

 

And finally, even if all the magic Starlight has used like Time Travel and Mind Control would be punishable offences (which they are, even though compulsion spells exist since Starlight merged them), Starlight has essentially been granted a Royal Pardon by order of Princess Twilight Sparkle. By becoming her student, Twilight has pardoned Starlight for her acts. Not completely forgiven mind you, but is seeing to it that Starlight puts her power to better uses than evil. 

[bluseymoe 258]

She and Trixie should both be in prison as far as I'm concerned. But I guesa just saying "I'm sorry" gets you a free pass for any wrongdoing in Equestria.

[MAIKUN 262]

I think the Cutie Mark removing spell could work on the CMC since I don't like their cutie marks anyhow!

Edited October 4, 2016 by MAIKUN

[Cwanky 17,754]

There should have been magic laws long ago, as far back as when Luna went renegade as a villain. Moreover they should apply to anyone with access to magic, whether they be unicorn, alicorn  , zebra or even draconequus. 

 

At the very least though, at least they are somewhat aware of magic abuse, since during the Equestria Games in the Crystal Empire, the hosts were keen enough to put up anti-magic security gates, even if that may have been influenced by the evil Sombra past crimes.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

There should have been magical law enforcement after everything Trixie did in Magic Duel. That should have been the wake up call that not every unicorn is a good pony at heart.

 

This!

 

Nearly four years later, it still rubs me the wrong way that Trixie got away with that scot-free.   People always say that Trixie didn't deserve to be punished because the amulet manipulated her, but I think that's a load of crap. Trixie bought that amulet knowing exactly what she was going to do with it. And if she knew about the amulet and where to find it, then surely she knew that it was capable of corrupting her mind. And yet, she didn't care. 

 

She deserved to go down for that. 

[Aurora Wolf 2,354]

I'm sure Twilight has this under control.

 

Don't you guys remember how Twilight even got her cutie mark?

 

Celestia wouldn't just take Twilight under her wing just because she wanted it so badly. She must have realized that if her magical abilities were left unchecked and nothings done about them, Twilight probably would have been similar to what Starlight Glimmer was when we first saw her in Season 5. If this is how Celestia tamed Twilight, then clearly the Royal Guard must understand that Twilight is in the process of taming Starlight.

[KatonRyu 1,036]

I'm pretty sure Twilight pulled some strings to allow Sunset to stay with her. Any other unicorn would probably have been locked up, but I don't know how many unicorns are as powerful as she is, so I don't know how often unicorns get locked up either.

[pony.colin 156]

What more or less I was pointing out in another thread about how ridiculously lax it is when it comes to care-keeping of magical spells and artifacts that could potentially be maliciously used for ill-intent.  I swear, Celestia just keeps the staffing budget underfunded when it comes to dealing with issues like this. Also I'd figure there should've been greater responses to incidents that @@Cleverclover, has mentioned involving Trixie. Amazing how there was no real reaction from authorities about the temporary take over of Ponyville. Man, talk about isolated and ignored events.

 

Honestly, it's not that difficult for any ill intentioned unicorn to try to break into the Canterlot castle archives or the old castle of the two sisters (Which still has an open library with several old scrolls and books, JUST THERE FOR THE TAKING!) or any major institution's archives of high level spells. Starlight after all stole Star Swirl the bearded's time spell and completed it. (where did that thing go after Twilight was finished with it ? And why wasn't it securely kept guarded somewhere else....). There's been little regulation over the abuse of high level magical spells.  From Twilight's usage of the want it, need it spell to Rarity's incident with the cursed book, Starlight's general abuse of time and mind-control spells, and Trixie's short-lived tyranny run. 

 

 

There should have been magic laws long ago, as far back as when Luna went renegade as a villain. Moreover they should apply to anyone with access to magic, whether they be unicorn, alicorn  , zebra or even draconequus. 

 

At the very least though, at least they are somewhat aware of magic abuse, since during the Equestria Games in the Crystal Empire, the hosts were keen enough to put up anti-magic security gates, even if that may have been influenced by the evil Sombra past crimes.

 

I forgot that Zecora concocted that spell at her home. Actually, it's not even well known on where the heck Zecora gets half her ingredients from to make all of these spells. What are the chances that Zecora would have an alicorn specific potion on hoof that one time Discord's plants decided to come back to life? Where did she get that? And the rest of her magical ingredients? (besides plot device)

 

 

 

The Equestrian royal unicorn guard I'm surprised, isn't better equipped with some of these spells. But I've kind of lost faith in their capacity to be an effective royal guard at times.

 

 

 

 

I will say NO there shouldn't be any enforcement. It would make everything less fun.

 

Ah going for that good ol' chaos, Discord would be proud.

 

 

And after starting that thread, I just realized we're having a discussion about gun magic control, except only about 1/3 of horsie population is capable of using magic. Overall, one would expect better regulations and controls after some of these incidents.  If anything, the only thing that stops most unicorns with malicious intentions is, well lack of knowledge of where to find things. (But apparently Starlight knew where to look, and so did Trixie. )

Edited October 5, 2016 by pony.colin

[cider float 2,539]

I'm pretty sure Twilight, Starlight and Trixie all did enough to justify being imprisoned for life. But then, that wouldn't be much fun, or in the spirit of the show, now would it?

 

It didn't seem to catch Twilight's problems or stop her from casting the "Want It Need It", which appear to have been partly created by the school in the first place. But I guess then you could argue that they don't teach that kind of spells to regular students and that Twilight's problems and spell arsenal are both exceptions because of being Celestia's personal student. But then that questions "How good of a teacher could Celestia be if she didn't notice Twilight's emotional problems or really do much to stop Twilight from using the spells she teaches whenever she wants?".

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Which wouldn't have anything to do with my original statement but still a question to ask if that's the case.

Why wouldn't it be more fun? I can imagine new stories coming about this magic police. There could also be crooked/corrupt magic police going around abusing their authority punishing people that made them angry with no other justifiable cause.

Edited October 5, 2016 by cider float

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

THat kind of idea would have made Equestria look like an authoritarian state, and made Celestia look like some sort of Tyrant.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Are We talking about Spell-Control Policy???    I can imagine the debate betweem Trump & Hillary about Gun-Control Law with fantasy setting   Nah, screw the Spell-Control policies, it will be more fun this way. I believe in Friendship Policy.

[Crusaders Forever 88]

Why wouldn't it be more fun? I can imagine new stories coming about this magic police. There could also be crooked/corrupt magic police going around abusing their authority punishing people that made them angry with no other justifiable cause.

This would turn the fun show into real life if that ever happened.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,164]

This is the problem with applying real world human-based standards to a world of magical colorful equines. They're culture is not our culture, and trying to apply it as such is a tad...unrealistic; for lack of a better term. As stands it seems to work out fine just for them. Yes, you have the occasional super villain and reoccurring thugs, but aside from that the ponies are largely happy and at peace.

 

As much as I can understand people calling for justice on Starlight, the ponies just work different than us, and I would prefer it stay that way. I like an optimistic outlook on things as such.

[Regent 77]

That kind of idea would have made Equestria look like an authoritarian state, and made Celestia look like some sort of Tyrant.

This is exactly the sort of thing my OC would do. It's perfectly understandable that Celestia and her sister might one day be deposed, perhaps by a grassroots coup d'etat instigated by common citizens who are collectively tired of their crap.

 

I was already going the Lex Luthor route with my guy, but the concept of magic police adds flavor. I really like the it and will implement it if I ever sit down and write something.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

This is the problem with applying real world human-based standards to a world of magical colorful equines. They're culture is not our culture, and trying to apply it as such is a tad...unrealistic; for lack of a better term. As stands it seems to work out fine just for them. Yes, you have the occasional super villain and reoccurring thugs, but aside from that the ponies are largely happy and at peace.

 

As much as I can understand people calling for justice on Starlight, the ponies just work different than us, and I would prefer it stay that way. I like an optimistic outlook on things as such.

And here I was thinking that ponies work because they act like we do and not like some saccharine rainbow bears dwelling on fluffy clouds. Girls that act like ordinary folks and not like some contrived avatars of what is considered to be girly in a derogatory manner. My bad.

 

Do you honestly believe that people like this show because it’s optimistic to the extreme? Ponies are fun to watch because they’re ponies doing human things in a pony manner with a bit of magic on the side. Of course, the show is positive and it should stay this way, but not in the case where severe bullshit can be called by the audience. It should never sacrifice moral and emotional believability for the sake of pushing a certain lesson or agenda (like forgiveness) because that alienates the ordinary juvenile and adult Joe and Jane alike. You may want to foolishly elevate the show from the perceived drivel of ordinary masses: masses that want to see bad people get rekt (legally or not) by the crimson hammer of blind justice, masses that can empathize with those who suffer through the same everyday misfortunes, and masses that just want to have some fun without being pelted in the face by some high and mighty friendship lesson that can only be truly obeyed in a vacuum of this here equine cartoon. Well, you can’t. The best part of FIM is that ponies act like us. Sure, the stories have always been constructed with a positive outcome in mind, and that’s just fine. But, when you wade out into deeper water where force and violence prowl down in the murk, then it’s only natural that you also include IRL solution in the form of police/security/anti-magic unit. Now, I do understand that some of the more special parts of western society have become allergic to any semblance of law but that constructed out of their own unlawful and discriminatory convictions, however, I myself am fully convinced that FIM would be able to portray the boys and girls in blue the way they should have always been portrayed in child friendly mediums: as helpful, honorable, honest, and humorous shield of ordinary citizens.

 

All in all, anti-magic cops are an interesting and potentially hilarious addition to Equestrian society that should have been there from the get-go. So let’s strive to include them in the show and put the virtue back into anti-fun.

[CT-1138 3,184]

Interestingly, except for Fluttershy stealing the royal pet, Equestria seems to be a crimeless society. The biggest issues we've seen so far are the occasional scam pony, and monster attacks.