Steve Piranha 29,428 February 6, 2017 Share February 6, 2017 The reason is because fans of the show have this tendency to overreact to everything. This is by far, not the first time the fanbase has gone over-the-top over something in the show. No wonder why King Somb... I MEAN, Jim Miller commented insults towards the fanbase a while ago . Man, these people need to chillax bro 1 Sig by Discords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavens-champion 1,905 February 6, 2017 Share February 6, 2017 Let's just say the fans really, really, REALLY preferred the old looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes is all one needs, my fellow forumgoer. You forget that original changelings are also used in GoH and IDW comics to greater extent than they are in the show itself while not a single official physical product exists of these new insect clowns. I mean, Boba Fett had how many lines in original Star Wars trilogy? He was just wandering around, looking menacing. I trust you can understand this line of reasoning: if there are no products that warranted the change of changelings, then they were changed for change's sake. How can you expect them to construct a villain you crave for if they gladly sacrifice existing ones for ineffectual plotlines? In order to do that effectively, you'd first need to cut the friendship bullshit and turn FIM into a fantasy that does not bow to an overarching philosophy but just respects it instead. First of all, the comics are a separate entity from the cartoon and often are not even in direct continuity with it. Therefore to bring up the comics in any discussion related to the cartoon is a moot point at best. So I'm not going to waste my time responding to anything about it, unless we're directly discussing the comics in their own topics. Secondly, I agree. Boba Fett had just as little screen time as the Changelings (and is also overrated). And the arguments that overzealous fans constantly have about him and whether he survived Return of the Jedi are just as ridiculous as complaining about what happened to a group of characters that were on screen for about 20 minutes. As I said before, if it had been a villain that was around longer to the point where I could get invested in them, then I might have taken more of an issue with it (for instance, I didn't care about Boba Fett, but I sure as hell cared about Darth Vader, because he had enough screen time and character development to actually make me care about him). But 20 minutes of 'they're evil and have to be stopped' is hardly enough time for me get to the point where I care about what happens to them. So yes, in both cases the arguments are ridiculous. As to your final paragraph, they could do it. Chiaki J. Konaka was given the mandate of incorporating the toys, the video games, the previous anime, AND the trading cards into a single series (far more than what the writing staff has to incorporate into a given Season of FiM). He did so, and the end result is what most fans consider to be the best Season of Digimon, which is Digimon Tamers. Just because you have to use toys in your show, doesn't mean you can't make it good. Edited February 7, 2017 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,527 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 First of all, the comics are a separate entity from the cartoon and often are not even in direct continuity with it. Therefore to bring up the comics in any discussion related to the cartoon is a moot point at best. So I'm not going to waste my time responding to anything about it, unless we're directly discussing the comics in their own topics. Secondly, I agree. Boba Fett had just as little screen time as the Changelings (and is also overrated). And the arguments that overzealous fans constantly have about him and whether he survived Return of the Jedi are just as ridiculous as complaining about what happened to a group of characters that were on screen for about 20 minutes. As I said before, if it had been a villain that was around longer to the point where I could get invested in them, then I might have taken more of an issue with it (for instance, I didn't care about Boba Fett, but I sure as hell cared about Darth Vader, because he had enough screen time and character development to actually make me care about him). But 20 minutes of 'they're evil and have to be stopped' is hardly enough time for me get to the point where I care about what happens to them. So yes, in both cases the arguments are ridiculous. As to your final paragraph, they could do it. Chiaki J. Konaka was given the mandate of incorporating the toys, the video games, the previous anime, AND the trading cards into a single series (far more than what the writing staff has to incorporate into a given Season of FiM). He did so, and the end result is what most fans consider to be the best Season of Digimon, which is Digimon Tamers. Just because you have to use toys in your show, doesn't mean you can't make it good. I don't give a damn how you feel about these things. An IP is a sum of its preferably monetized parts, and fans behave like fans. It is not on a company to judge but to comprehend and use for financial gain. So get off your little pony and tell me how this changeling kerfuffle was utilized to strengthen MLP as a competitive commercial IP when changelings themselves are being used in their original form. P.S: many things can be done. Doesn't mean they will be. Case to case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet_S 785 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 Honestly the first thought that came to my mind was that when they were creating them, they just hit the 'random button' on the pony creator XD I actually loved the original design of the changelings ...Thorax looked adorable with that design and he was a good changeling..I just dont understand why they had to change them, thats all. Let the rainbow remind you, that together we will always shine~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggg-2 3,553 February 7, 2017 Author Share February 7, 2017 i don't get people saying the new designs are deer-like. Yes, Thorax's new horns DO resemble antlers, (lending to a "stag beetle" pun) but that's about the extent of it. Don't be a nerd. Join the herd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trademark2 485 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 (edited) The whole concept of a "changeling reformation" is retarded and it's part of the reason why I stopped watching. Idk if that's what this is about, but the original changeling designs were fine and should be left alone. I haven't watched the last few episodes of season 6, but just because some changlings reformed doesn't mean there aren't still original changlings Edited February 7, 2017 by trademark2 Feel free to message or add me everypony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truffles 2,033 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 I don't really like the new design because... I think it's a pretty dumb and dull idea. The point of the Thorax episode was to show what under their appareances they could be good guys... so magicaly transforming all the changelings from a "bad appareance" to a "good appareance" kinda ruin the moral in my opinion. If the changelings would have kept their original designs it would have been a most powerful message in my opinion... They had a change of heart and I think it's a pity that implied a physicial change as well ^^ This pretty much sums up my feelings on why I don't like that they changed. And I'm still waiting to find out if they "killed off" Thorax by giving him a new voice and personality to go with his new look once (if?) we see him again. Are you a Spike fan? Click on the image above for a compendium of nearly every Spike scene in the show! =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen The Unicorn 484 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 (edited) I mean from my point of view, the design of the characters just look like toys oh wait... But Really. It's a bit garish and overly colorful. Edited February 7, 2017 by Frozen The Unicorn 1 "Don't hide behind the shadows of others come out and forge your own destiny." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestum 2,493 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 My guess it is because they look like shit. Also I would hardly say that they are overhated. This is the first time I have seen people openly dislike it (with the exeption of the thread for that episode). And even in this thread a lot of people praising them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EquestriaGuy 1,074 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 Those new designs are 10cute12me. The pastels fit in with the world and illustrate the stark difference between a pure changeling and a corrupted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 (edited) Mainly because I think the ones who are the changeling's biggest fans are these guys: Rather than those crazies who think the life of a sentient parasite under the heel of a tyrant would be total Hell and an independent existence of acceptance and warmth is preferable. Edited February 9, 2017 by Steel Accord 1 My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosprincess 1,067 February 7, 2017 Share February 7, 2017 In my opinion the changelings should have never been reformed due to the point of a changeling was for them to change to disguise themselves and now that their pretty bugs all that character build up for them is gone they are no longer a threat due to they suffered from reformation it was unnerving when a changeling was around due to none of the characters could tell who was the changeling so they created that unnerving feeling and caused characters to not trust each other due to not being sure if they were the real thing or the changeling so I say the new changelings was a bad change, but the show is for little girls after all so they have to make it pretty and shiny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 February 8, 2017 Share February 8, 2017 (edited) An IP is a sum of its preferably monetized parts, and fans behave like fans. It is not on a company to judge but to comprehend and use for financial gain. So get off your little pony and tell me how this changeling kerfuffle was utilized to strengthen MLP as a competitive commercial IP when changelings themselves are being used in their original form. I've said a few times here that the changelings aren't really that important to the plot of the show. Otherwise, they would have been featured in more than 20 minutes of the cartoon (I'm not fond of the change either, but they haven't been around long enough for me to invest in their characters). Not to mention, the fandom will get over it in a week, just like every other thing they've ever complained about. This is the nature of fandoms. They complain and debate about something, but then they're onto the next thing (in this case, most likely it'll be a combination of speculating about the show and speculating about the movie). The ONLY surefire thing that could sink the show in the foreseeable future, is if there was a majority or complete cast changeover (like if a bunch of main characters were permanently replaced). I'm not saying that this can't happen (we do have a movie on the way, and if there was ever a time for Hasbro to do that, it would be in the movie), but the chances of them being that foolish are pretty slim. Edited February 8, 2017 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,527 February 8, 2017 Share February 8, 2017 I've said a few times here that the changelings aren't really that important to the plot of the show. Otherwise, they would have been featured in more than 20 minutes of the cartoon (I'm not fond of the change either, but they haven't been around long enough for me to invest in their characters). Not to mention, the fandom will get over it in a week, just like every other thing they've ever complained about. This is the nature of fandoms. They complain and debate about something, but then they're onto the next thing (in this case, most likely it'll be a combination of speculating about the show and speculating about the movie). The ONLY surefire thing that could sink the show in the foreseeable future, is if there was a majority or complete cast changeover (like if a bunch of main characters were permanently replaced). I'm not saying that this can't happen (we do have a movie on the way, and if there was ever a time for Hasbro to do that, it would be in the movie), but the chances of them being that foolish are pretty slim. This is MLP: FIM, the toy commercial. Nothing is important to its plot unless it's advertising a pre-made toy. We can bitch and moan as is befitting of a fandom, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is what people will buy. Wanna state that 20 min are not enough for you to care? By all means, write a blog about it. However, since you're trying to sell your opinion to others, you should provide something more substantial cause it seems neither H-Bro nor fans share your nonchalance. The company has a use for them. The fans have a thing for them. Now all that has been removed from show's canon for no good reason and the fun part is that both entities are still using the original design. I'm not calling this a tragedy. I'm calling it a waste of time and resources. Then again, who gives a buck about S06. They can always just make more of them on demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 February 8, 2017 Share February 8, 2017 (edited) This is MLP: FIM, the toy commercial. Nothing is important to its plot unless it's advertising a pre-made toy. We can bitch and moan as is befitting of a fandom, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is what people will buy. Wanna state that 20 min are not enough for you to care? By all means, write a blog about it. However, since you're trying to sell your opinion to others, you should provide something more substantial cause it seems neither H-Bro nor fans share your nonchalance. The company has a use for them. The fans have a thing for them. Now all that has been removed from show's canon for no good reason and the fun part is that both entities are still using the original design. I'm not calling this a tragedy. I'm calling it a waste of time and resources. Then again, who gives a buck about S06. They can always just make more of them on demand. Exactly. Just because a character is made to sell toys, doesn't mean it has to be featured for a long time, or even be important to the plot. Remember when the mane six transformed into Crystal Ponies for all of the last two minutes of that episode, and then that was never mentioned again in the show after that scene? No long term plot significance whatsoever, outside of 'hey, they look pretty and there's a toy of them'. And you don't see people complaining about them not being used again. Now I wouldn't mind if there WAS long term plot significance to the Changelings transforming, but I doubt that will be the case. And the fact is, while I'm not fond of the change, it's really not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. And as I said, the whole thing will be forgotten in a week, two tops, because that's how the fandom is. Edited February 8, 2017 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainstorm 4,112 February 8, 2017 Share February 8, 2017 I like the Changelings new design, they look more welcoming. Also, with Thorax as their new leader they can help Celestia, Luna, Cadance, Twilight and her friends(including Spike) to help Equestria. I know they can't reform every villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetolebob18 728 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 Yes, Hasbro is a toy company & the cartoons are to sell MLP merchandise. Nevertheless, this is the most blatantly commercial move they've pulled out of their ass since they blew up the library at the end of S4 & dragged in Twilight's Castle. Even Flurryheart, her parents have been married since S2, there was a foundation. Here, there was nothing, just "Boom! Buy the new toy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,527 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 Exactly. Just because a character is made to sell toys, doesn't mean it has to be featured for a long time, or even be important to the plot. Remember when the mane six transformed into Crystal Ponies for all of the last two minutes of that episode, and then that was never mentioned again in the show after that scene? No long term plot significance whatsoever, outside of 'hey, they look pretty and there's a toy of them'. And you don't see people complaining about them not being used again. Now I wouldn't mind if there WAS long term plot significance to the Changelings transforming, but I doubt that will be the case. And the fact is, while I'm not fond of the change, it's really not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. And as I said, the whole thing will be forgotten in a week, two tops, because that's how the fandom is. That is correct. Nevertheless, it was an unwarranted change that benefited none, thus I wouldn't be surprised if they forget about it. By the way, it's been months since the end of S06. The bad parts won't be forgotten that easily in the Brony community. And the traditional audience? Judging from H-Bro's report, I don't think they still care about ponies all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluttery Shy 102 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I do get that some people hate especially Thorax' design for looking somewhat like a bad deer OC, but I'm actually quite happy that the show is introducing more visual variety and races. I think most of it comes from people thinking that everything new is bad because they love sticking to old things. Everyone of us is guilty of that for one reason or another. I still welcome the new design and the fact that Chrysalis wasn't reformed makes me excited about coming seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Testa 5,505 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 They are really just another in a long line of reformed villains that was done in a haphazard way. Like, the whole way the Reformation and the episode was handled has some serious implications that say that Queen Chrysalis is painfully incompetent and that changelings needed the light of the master pony race to get themselves better For example, Chrysalis has an anti magic material that shuts down anything but changeling magic. If she had brought some of that to the Canterlot invasion they would have catagorically ended all resistance before it even started. No shield, no power of love wave, no unicorn beams, nothing. It would not have even been a contest, yet she didn't do it. Then you take in the fact that their whole drive to feed on love could be entirely circumvented by just being friendly makes them seem moronic. Not a single changeling EVER figured this out without pony help? Are you kidding me? Designs aside the whole thing was just done in the most infuriating way. 2 http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Billy%20G%20Gruff http://billyggruff.deviantart.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPVpSXbUpDYTcaFHTPiPjYA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatonRyu 1,033 February 10, 2017 Share February 10, 2017 My main problem is that the changelings as a species are probably centuries, if not millennia old. I find it very hard to believe that in all those years, no one ever tried to befriend a changeling and succeeded. So either they have, and the good changelings have been consistently annihilated by the others, or the writers just pulled this right out of their ass. I'm not against the change in itself, but more against the incredibly easy way the episode was resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrond 3,263 February 10, 2017 Share February 10, 2017 Like, the whole way the Reformation and the episode was handled has some serious implications that say that Queen Chrysalis is painfully incompetent and that changelings needed the light of the master pony race to get themselves better. I've been bothered about this kind of thing in the show for a while, but to be fair, in this case Thorax set out to make friends on his own, so at least a changeling took prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 February 11, 2017 Share February 11, 2017 (edited) That is correct. Nevertheless, it was an unwarranted change that benefited none, thus I wouldn't be surprised if they forget about it. By the way, it's been months since the end of S06. The bad parts won't be forgotten that easily in the Brony community. And the traditional audience? Judging from H-Bro's report, I don't think they still care about ponies all that much. Well, considering that not many people have talked about it recently until this topic came up, I'd say it pretty much has been forgotten. Edited February 11, 2017 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,527 February 11, 2017 Share February 11, 2017 Well, considering that not many people have talked about it recently until this topic came up, I'd say it pretty much has been forgotten. Forgotten, or forsaken? A bit of both? I wonder. It is quite humorous though, that we as a community seek to cast this change into oblivion one way or another, while there are those who elevate the last finale where it played a crucial role. How can they then demonstrate with honest words that what they write is more than air and smugness born from transient content? And if this charge is wrong, then how come there are no triumphant arches erected on our sites to celebrate this change? Of course, from my angle, these are all rhetorical. The show's past won't be MLP's future, one way, or another. We, the community, are nothing. Our past too won't be the fandom's future. It's a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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