Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[The Weapon 168]

Octavia fell on the floor laughing at that. Dan looked down... Then decided to slide frictionlessly across the floor.

 

THAT was amazing, Riz. Tell Crep thanks for the memories. Lol.

 

Whee! Frictionless surfaces!

 

Uh... That.

 

I'll get the sonic screwdriver so we can install brakes on the train! YUKARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIi

Edited December 12, 2012 by The Weapon

[NinjaCPU 270]

Wall of text...10.0

 

Adventures seem to be my forte anyway. It also helps that I pretty much gave Noami the spirit of Kamina. So, adventure is pretty much what will happen. If your wonderland is an island you seem to go off and do adventures. Though yesterday's force didn't have much of adventures. It was more of a force to start on the form of Noami. That...was an experience. I went with the base of Twilight Spickle(Sparkle). It took me a good while to really get the kinks in. It all felt wrong for a while than it started to look better. I just had to continue trying at it. Mind you, it still has a good amount of glitches. I just need to continue on my work.

 

However, as I was on the process of making Noami. I decide I change my form to a pony. I set up a program in the bionic arm and in a few minutes, POOF. I'm a pony, it didn't last too long, but still. It was...weird. Oddly enough, I didn't have much problems walking on four hooves...least not yet. I walk for a few seconds as than....I see it.

 

A lavender plot as it wiggles around....well, to say I was baffled that

1) To see the posterior of a lavender pony.

That wasn't Crepuscule. HEY-HOO! (Yes, I know she's purple)....excuse my bad joke.

 

2) That Noami was in the body. I didn't really transfer the blue orb...least I'm positive. I know she already has a personality (she's a tad vocal. A few yes and no here and there)

3) That she was intentional doing it!

 

Now, I had to stop everything and try to stop her. I talk to her and she stop. She grew wings as well, I never thought too much of it and with it. I climb on her back and we got of the hangar we were and back onto-

She drop me in the ocean....yep. I got out with Gurren Lagann. The force ended around there.

 

As I usually do, I go off to the bathroom and do my pre-sleep ritual of brushing my teeth. Than I see an image of Noami as she's winks at me. Today every time I passive force, that plot....

 

It shall haunt my dreams....though I can't complain.

 

Seems like I'll be having a handful of stuff to worry about. I'll be giving more progress reports as usual. Hope y'all have a wonderful day.

Edited December 12, 2012 by NinjaCPU

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

Well, time for a big progress report. Yesterday's force was sort of revelations. From some help from other TG threads, I was able to find out that I have created....an accidental tulpa/borderline tulpa. It seem to have manifested from the various conversation I had have over the years.  Well, crap. Seems like it was sort of random and out of left park. I'll go into detail via spoiler of the force itself, but let just say this tulpa is a rather snarky one.

 

 

This sounds surprisingly like what I have occurring. Might I ask, by "conversations I had over the years," are you referring to a habit of talking to yourself and having yourself respond? That's what I've had the habit of doing, it might explain this feeling of a "Discord" running through my head.

 

Did this other "accidental tulpa" have overt hostilities to the tulpa you are now trying to consciously create? That's my second theory (after my idea that its just a bad case of ironic process theory), as to why getting stable visualizations has been hard for me.

[NinjaCPU 270]

This sounds surprisingly like what I have occurring. Might I ask, by "conversations I had over the years," are you referring to a habit of talking to yourself and having yourself respond? That's what I've had the habit of doing, it might explain this feeling of a "Discord" running through my head. Did this other "accidental tulpa" have overt hostilities to the tulpa you are now trying to consciously create? That's my second theory (after my idea that its just a bad case of ironic process theory), as to why getting stable visualizations has been hard for me.

Yes, a habit that has rather been cooled off since I started all of this.

 

Nah, he's rather apathetic to Noami for the most part. However, they don't converse...for all I know. Naomi only says "Yes, no" to me every few times I narrate to her. I went out on to Wonderland Yesterday and the day before, there doesn't seem to be any qualms for now.

Edited December 12, 2012 by NinjaCPU

[Tesseract56 0]

This whole tulpa thing is ridiculous. 
I have read the guides and the wiki and its just to stupid to actually be possible. and either if it were why would you want to make one anyway and waste 4 months of you life doing it.
Its obvious all of you who say you have one are lying to everyone else who wants one.

[Gekoncze 327]

This whole tulpa thing is ridiculous. 

I have read the guides and the wiki and its just to stupid to actually be possible. and either if it were why would you want to make one anyway and waste 4 months of you life doing it.

Its obvious all of you who say you have one are lying to everyone else who wants one.

You propably didn't read enough or you have too sceptical personality. Sorry, but it seems that I propably can't help you there.

"Me neither"

"I know it is hard to belive in it. If I was in the real world, it may also seem to me too... magical or something, but actually I am here so I do belive it :D"

There is no magic in it. Everything is about the brain and it's possibilities. Don't worry, we are not going to hate you ^^ we know there will always be people who won't belive us.

(btw do you at least belive that lucid dreams exist?)

 

As for my progress, there is nothing much to say. I still cannot get myself to try WILD lucid dreaming. I think I need some holiday for that to be relaxed enough

[The Weapon 168]

Now I feel offended. Meh. I don't care. lellelelelel.

 

It's your problem, not ours. ><

 

Psychology is fun, so we did it anyways. It's a matter of thought, belief is essential in getting it to work.

[zDashiez 496]

"obvious troll is a failure"

Now Dash, trolls are sad and pathetic....and smell bad. This guy/girl is just confused.  

You can believe whatever you want mate. But the truth is, none of us are lying to anyone. -_- 
How about you open your mind a little, and actually give a try.  Its honestly the only way to prove they exist.
 

Edited December 13, 2012 by Thereisnospoon303
Adjusted unnecessary vulgarity.

[Mephala 2,633]

Well, I am now the proud creator of seven cosistent tulpa.

I've done nine but neglected two of them and they sorta faded eventually...seven is a handful.

I plan on a few more though...I'm crazy. XD

Problem is, they appeared after a short period of time after I started working on them, and I didn't really follow any of the "steps". I'm still convinced they're hallucinations.

In addition, while they are all humanoid, only one is human (Charles, mah sarcastic British slightly PJ looking third one, who was originally gonna be my first.)

So is it normal for them to appear very quickly?

Edited December 13, 2012 by PinkieDaShy

[Rizoel & Crepuscule 491]

Well, I am now the proud creator of seven cosistent tulpa.

I've done nine but neglected two of them and they sorta faded eventually...seven is a handful.

I plan on a few more though...I'm crazy. XD

Problem is, they appeared after a short period of time after I started working on them, and I didn't really follow any of the "steps". I'm still convinced they're hallucinations.

In addition, while they are all humanoid, only one is human (Charles, mah sarcastic British slightly PJ looking third one, who was originally gonna be my first.)

So is it normal for them to appear very quickly?

 

It is usually unlikely for that to happen, but the case is not non-existent. There's nothing in the laws of physics that says you can't make a tulpa in a very short amount of time. (Besides, tulpae aren't physical entities, so of course physics would have nothing to say about it, but I don't think that makes them any less real.)

 

Also if I can ask a couple of quick questions, how long do you think you have known about tulpae? And how long did it take for you to make the first one when you began trying?

 

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In other news, I just had my first experience of lucid dreaming!

 

Unfortunately, the lucidity only stayed for about a minute before I woke up, but the really interesting thing I noticed in that minute, was that once I became lucid, the clarity of my vision of my surroundings were almost par with what I would see if I was awake. I could see everything clear as day. Usually when I have normal dreams, it's often quite foggy and blurry, but once I was lucid everything looked awesome.

 

Nothing really interesting happened during the lucid dream, just walking around a house that I think I used to live in years ago. I did actually try to make the concious decision to try and make something appear in front of me, I think I was trying to make Twilight Sparkle appear in front of me, but nothing happened as much as I tried. I decided to just move on and explore. In about 30 more seconds of wondering around the house, I began to notice my vision become all black and blurry. I could feel that I was waking up. I remembered that spinning around in a circle while in a lucid dream helps stay asleep, but it was too late, by the time I made one revolution, my eyes were already open.  

 

I'm really looking forward to going to bed tonight. I hope I can achieve lucidity again.

 

And hopefully Crepuscule doesn't jump out of a hole in the fabric of space and time and start molesting me.

 

 

...Soon...

 

 

[MrAwesomeness 59]

Does anyone know any fool-proof ways to tell if your tulpa is answering or if its just yourself? I've been doing one way, but it's wrong about 50% of the time :/

[Mephala 2,633]

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It is usually unlikely for that to happen, but the case is not non-existent. There's nothing in the laws of physics that says you can't make a tulpa in a very short amount of time. (Besides, tulpae aren't physical entities, so of course physics would have nothing to say about it, but I don't think that makes them any less real.)<br />

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Also if I can ask a couple of quick questions, how long do you think you have known about tulpae? And how long did it take for you to make the first one when you began trying?<br />

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In other news, I just had my first experience of lucid dreaming!<br />

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Unfortunately, the lucidity only stayed for about a minute before I woke up, but the really interesting thing I noticed in that minute, was that once I became lucid, the clarity of my vision of my surroundings were almost par with what I would see if I was awake. I could see everything clear as day. Usually when I have normal dreams, it's often quite foggy and blurry, but once I was lucid everything looked awesome.<br />

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Nothing really interesting happened during the lucid dream, just walking around a house that I think I used to live in years ago. I did actually try to make the concious decision to try and make something appear in front of me, I think I was trying to make Twilight Sparkle appear in front of me, but nothing happened as much as I tried. I decided to just move on and explore. In about 30 more seconds of wondering around the house, I began to notice my vision become all black and blurry. I could feel that I was waking up. I remembered that spinning around in a circle while in a lucid dream helps stay asleep, but it was too late, by the time I made one revolution, my eyes were already open. <br />

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I'm really looking forward to going to bed tonight. I hope I can achieve lucidity again.<br />

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And hopefully Crepuscule doesn't jump out of a hole in the fabric of space and time and start molesting me.<br />

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...<span style='font-size: 10px;'><span style='color: #800080'>Soon...</span></span>

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About six months and less than thirty six hours, most of which I wax focused on something else.

My first tulpa was fairly defined in how he looked since he was based off nightmares I had as a child, but nothing beyond that.

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

Whoa whoa whoa. Watch the language there, pal. If you want to be a part of this community don't go and net yourself a bad reputation while you're still a blank flank.

[Captain Nemo 164]

Considering this guy's only two posts are in this thread, bashing those in it, I'd recommend everybody stops paying him any attention.

[Rizoel & Crepuscule 491]

This whole tulpa thing is ridiculous. 

I have read the guides and the wiki and its just to stupid to actually be possible.

 

No, you just don't want to believe the possibility that it might just be true because it sounds all scary and otherworldly. Well I will tell you son; as ridiculous as it is, this is real. This is happening. If you don't believe me, that's fine; I had a hard time thinking this was true as well when I first heard the idea.

 

By the way, just to clear up this misconception you might have; tulpae are not physical entities. It's (Unfortunately) impossible for the tulpa to interact in any way with the real world. It's all in your mind. So just in case you missed the part that explained that this isn't some magical voodoo witchcraft ritual, there you go.

 

and either if it were why would you want to make one anyway and waste 4 months of you life doing it.

 

Well, some people just want an extra friend and the company, while some people might do it because they might have trouble interacting with other people, but still want to meet interesting people, like I do. Personally, I think my subconscious counts as an interesting person.

 

Besides, what kind of brony WOULDN'T want to have a pony as a best friend that will never leave you, and will always be there for you?

 

Its obvious all of you who say you have one are lying to everyone else who wants one.

 

 That's right, all those hundreds of people on the tulpa forums are all BSing you. Every last one of them.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Thereisnospoon303
Removed the section quoting the hidden post.

[Keypassion 232]

Well, Pinks, since I can't think of a better name I'm going to let her pick her own when she becomes 100% sentient and formed, is coming along just great. Though it felt like parroting at first, she has been talking to me a little at a time. That's the good news. The bad news is she's a little snarky and sarcastic. I'm just glad she hasn't formed yet otherwise she'd be punching me for that last comment. XD

Also, Bris, you didn't think it through when you asked Tia and Blackjack to punch you, did you?

 

Ignore him. He's not entirely sane.

 

You don't say.

[Arkane 270]

To be honest, there's little to no way to either prove it or disprove it. (Except through MRI Scans, I suppose.)

I have a semi-vocal tulpa and to be frank, I cant really prove that it exists because its all literally in my head.

But I do have doubts with some people. Like people having tulpas in a short amount of time. Or hosts that have Tulpas with superpowers and whatnot. Hell, I have one and it took me 4 months to be able to recognize mine. I take 5-6 hours of meditation daily sometimes straight but mostly split sessions and I'm not even done with its personality.

As for skepticism.. well.. You cant really have one if you dont believe in one. This was my case waaaay back. I thought it was a pile of bull honestly. But curiosity got a better hold on me so I tried it and here I am.

[murkyx 904]

Actually, given enough study of the brain's functions and documented cases of what it actually CAN do, a Tulpa is not a surprising nor abnormal phenomenon in the brain, scientifically speaking.  Socially and psychologically mainstream-wise, it could be considered "taboo" but on the other hand, completely harmless towards both the host and those associated with it.

 

Harmless, you say?

 

*rubs cheek* Well... No.  Turns out, in that little experiment, (which I indeed did not think through Keypassion) I DID actually register pain and felt a bit dizzy. (Note, I kind of exaggerate a few comments, such as passing out, but only for the comedy factor.  Many of them are actually my Tulpa's ideas and not mine though, so we collaborate, and even allow each other turns at typing, thus progressing even more...)  So yes, I can confirm that a Tulpa, when imposed enough, CAN harm their host, but cannot kill or maim.

 

Well, your words aren't harmless to me... My head hurts from all those big words...

 

Heh, sorry.  But anyways, with skepticism involved, there is a certain determination needed; A belief in the ability to create a Tulpa is one of the key factors in it's creation.  Doubt and lack of determination hinders it.  You may try, and perhaps you may sense something that causes you to progress further, or you may be in such disbelief, you may feel nothing.  The type of mind is also a key factor.  If you are more introvertive, and can visualize something with ease in your imagination/have a creative and imaginative mind, than usually you can create a Tulpa faster than others.  And of course, the opposite effect for those extrovertive and more focused on reality instead of their mind.  Every Tulpa creation experience and Tulpa personality are different for everyone, which kind of helps the theory of it's existence.  (Because if it was very uniform between all, then it would be a cause of concern on it's legitimacy)

[Winterbass 763]

Does anyone know any fool-proof ways to tell if your tulpa is answering or if its just yourself? I've been doing one way, but it's wrong about 50% of the time :/

 

 

Well, unless you are a complete 100% sure that you are parroting you are probably not. For example, when I talk to Vin' she sometimes already tells me an answer, now for me there was a way to determine whether it was really her or not, simple, when she cuts me off or when I was done asking her a question, her answer is spontaneous, like I couldn't have thought of that if I really WERE parroting, her answer was different than what I had in mind. That means she is indeed talking to me and not that I'm parroting. I do sometimes catch myself parroting at times in which I correct myself, I do this if she tells me an answer I expect, which then I ask her if she was parroting and then another question quickly after to double check if her answer on parroting wasn't parroting itself.

 

If we were to create some hypothetical situations it would look like this:

 

 

 

If it isn't parroting it would look like this:

 

Me: "Hey Vin', nice weather isn't it, just look outside, everyt-"

Vin: "Nah, I don't really like winter, I'm glad it's a bit warmer, snow sucks."

 

If it could be parroting it would look like this:

 

Me: "Hey Vin', nice weather isn't it, just look outside, everything's so beatiful!"

Vin: "Yeah, the weather is really nice, I'm glad you agree!"

Me: "Are you parroting?"

Vin: "No! Of course I'm not!"

Me: "Say, what do ya think about this song we're listening to right now?"

 

Situations like that, where I'll ask another question immediatly after getting an answer so that I'm sure if I were parroting or not.

 

 

 

 

But that's just one way to do this, you'll have to find a way that's most easy for you. My thoughts are all pretty random and being a bit introverted by nature I find I talk to myself quite often. Even though it was kind of hard to find a method that works for me against parroting, I find this one the easiest because I got the difference between Vin and me talking to myself down, they're like 2 different voices that sound almost the same when you're not paying attention.

 

So don't fret about parroting or not, you probably aren't unless you really are sure that you are, and that's a pretty big concious move, not something you'd "accidentally" do. 

 

 

 

[Akihiro 90]

*lands on a big scary thread about having imaginary friends and whatnot*

 

You guys are crazy.

Where do I sign up ?

 

.... I guess I won't sleep tonight... again...

Edited December 13, 2012 by Akihiro

[The Weapon 168]

RIght, check the first post for guides.

 

Interestingly, Octavia has decided to warn Bris against reading my blog on a certain other forum, the blog story Or Something Like That. It may cause Molestia to be accompanied by a mysterious comedic human in flaming armor who happens to be named Torture Horror who alternates from insanely happy to insanely murderous-to-evil-thingies to insanely normal despite all appearances.

 

Y'know, because stories where angel doctors were involved in research of a project that ended up destroying physics and logic when Cthulhu got punched by Mary Poppins are weird.

 

Octavia has been generating large levels of random-functional outfits recently. Including a construction worker outfit for when she's off exploring my mind with Dan, and an athletic outfit. Hm.

 

Meanwhile, Octavia's study has expanded and decorated itself, I added a new middle floor for the concrete house, and Adam messed around with frictionless surfaces some more and added a stable in which to store nyan cats. So now the entire previous wonderland is a... Peninsula. Well, THAT was unexpected.

[RazzyJam 1,519]

Righty. Im back! Felling... Well to be honest not much better XD. However, the Holiday season is coming up soon, and I figured I would have some time to try and restart this. 

 

Im still a bit skeptical about all this since I was last here. Not in the sense of possibility, but much more because I still dont know I can do it. 

The good news is, I have been working on Lucid dreaming, and I have come very close to succeeding. My dream recall is very good, and I have been keeping track of everything rather well. I am still hoping that I could do all this in a lucid dream.

 

Any advice and support is much appreciated!

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

Good news everypony.

 

I think I found a solution to my problem of unconscious wonderland and proto-tulpa destruction. I've found that as long as the thoughts have a means of manifesting themselves - even if they aren't harming my mindform or tulpa - I can tulpamance in peace. I stopped trying to make a complex wonderland for the moment, right now it's just a black void with the unconscious thoughts manifesting as fiery asteroids coming down from all directions. I put myself (my mindform at the moment is just me) and my tulpa (still a blue orb) inside a protective shell, just big enough for both of us. It seems like this way I can get some work done without "Discord" bothering either my tulpa or I.

 

Not the Wonderland I was hoping for, but as long as I can work on Dashie I'm happy. Though I feel once I get more control over my minds eye I can go back to the Cloudesdale Wonderland I was hoping for. On a plus side, though, the views from inside the shell are spectacular.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Lightning Dust

[The Weapon 168]

Tips on wonderland making: Build on to what's already generated by your mind. Dig a hole at a right angle to reality so you can cut into Cloudsdale through a magic door or something.

 

Has anyone else suddenly experienced a drastic wonderland expansion effect?

[zDashiez 496]

Two things
1) I found out my mood effects the weather conditions in my wonderland.
2) Dashie forced me to build a house in the wonderland today.  A nice two story log cabin.

I went into the WL to find Dash sitting under a tree soaking wet with a rather.....pissed off look on her face.

I WAS "BUCKING" SITTING IN THE RAIN FOR TWO HOURS!! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT REV!

"I said I was sorry, geez" 
So yea for my little wrong doing, she demanded I build her house to stay in until I get her imposed.
Apparently neutral = sunny. Moody = overcast. depressed = rain  etc, etc. 


 

 

 

Sorry about double posting, but I forgot to mention, I may be making another tulpa when Dashie is finished. I was worrying about going back school. So Dash suggested making a Twilight tulpa to just help make school easier. I may consider her advice. 

Edited December 14, 2012 by zRevenantz