Are pony/brony haters really that obnoxious, or do we just see them like that?

[MJNSEIFER 55]

However mature we try to respond to haters (the most mature way would probably be not to respond at all, I guess...) it is annoying when they go out of there way to "attack" us on our videos, our drawings, and our websites.  This is "our" place, so why do they have to be there if they don't like it?  It can be very frustrating.  However, is it really just our fandom that get this much hate, or isn't this just what haters do?

 

 

 

We probably notice it more here, because the majority of us care about the show, and the fandom.  Someone came to something pony related and insulted it, and told us not to like it, even though no one forced him/her to look at it - that happens with everything.  I've seen a lot of pictures on, say DeviantArt for example get responses like this from their haters.  I've liked quite a few things that have been hated, but I was a lot more obnoxious about what I liked back then, so I probably wouldn't have noticed the real haters from the people who simply had an opinion, and would have probably invited the hate anyway (this, by the way, is the only thing that makes me glad I didn't follow MLP earlier in life, but I mostly regret it).  My favorite Final Destination movie, is considered the worst (and the movies themselves are not popular), I am one of the few people who like both old and new Nickelodeon shows, and I have a very wide taste in music.  So I have had my share of experience with haters.

 

 

 

So why is it I notice pony/brony hate more?  Are the haters nastier or not?  It could be because, I am a brony so I could be taking it as an insult to myself, and people I socialize with, but the furry community gets a lot of hate too, but I have always been able to shrug that off.  I do shrug off brony hate too, at the end of the day, but it stays longer, and it's worst if I'm in a bad mood.  It could be because most furry haters are pretty unimaginative, as they always say the same thing (hint: it involves doing something in Hell...) which furries themselves have used as a joke (I'm not one; I just want to be, though I care more about the brony fandom).   Admittedly most brony haters say the same thing themselves - that we're all watching a little girls show, so maybe they're unimaginative too, but that annoys me because it's not exactly true (MLP: FIM was actually aimed at both genders, and even when My Little Pony in general actually was aimed at just girls, it never really seemed girly to me). 

 

 

 

Sorry this was long, but I'm literally conflicted with myself here...

 

 

[Pinkazoid 3,493]

I see bronies as being the obnoxious ones, actually.

 

 

We wouldn't get this amount of hate for no reason >->

 

 

I love annoying them though :3

[Pinkamena Dianne Pie 465]

I think it's kind of a mixed answer. The people who hate on us aren't obnoxious as it is, but when they start going theoretically miles out of their way to come and try to insult us and put us down, that's when they start to be obnoxious. But, on the other note, I like having some arguements with them because it's usually one sided (In our favor) and the people who argue with me are usually pretty unintelligent, so it makes me feel even smarter.

[Bardock 139]

Both bronies and haters can be very obnoxious. For example, when bronies incorporate MLP into a discussion that has nothing to do with MLP, or when haters spend their time going on pony videos and bashing bronies and the show.

 

However, there are quite a few mature bronies and "haters". I've seen people say they don't like MLP in a mature matter, and I've seen bronies respect other peoples differing opinions and not bash them for it.

 

Really, it just depends on where you go. Youtube is known for having obnoxious people, for one.

My favorite Final Destination movie, is considered the worst

 

 

 

I'm guessing you're talking about the fourth movie, The Final Destination? Yeah, that one aimed for a more campy feel as opposed to the more serious tone of the previous movies and FD5, and a lot of people didn't really like that.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

First of all, I agree with Bardock, Father of Goku, that Youtube is just an obnoxious place, so I don't even count that.

 

Contrary to Pinkazoid, though, I don't think Bronies are solely obnoxious. I'm again with Bardock, Father of Goku, in the belief that there are just all around obnoxious people on all sides. I don't doubt that there are Bronies that force ponies into discussions, and I of course have ample proof of haters coming on pony videos to hate on them even though they knew the video was pony-related, but the fact of that matter is that people can be that way about everything. There are people who are obsessed with certain video games that seem to have the need to shoehorn their favorite game into every discussion. I know a guy on another forum I'm a member of who shoves Final Fantasy into every conversation on the forum, and does annoy me a little, but I just tolerate it because it's not worth getting my panties in a twist over.

 

Overall, I think that Brony haters, for the most part, are obnoxious, but that there are plenty of obnoxious Bronies as well, One thing I will note is that hating Bronies really doesn't make sense, so I just find Brony hatred in general obnoxious, although many people who "hate" on the show in real life that I know are just teasing and aren't serious. I just find hatred of entire fanbase in general obnoxious, especially since a fanbase covers a wide swath of people. No two Bronies are alike, just like with a Star Wars fan or Sports fan; no one is alike, so I find it unfair to hate an entire group of people based on experiences with one or two of them.

[Commander Urdnot 2,680]

All brony haters are obnoxious because they're haters. Implying that they are just mindlessly hating something with no real reason. (ie. Fishing for reactions, xenophobic, bigoted) The same goes for fanboys who mindlessly love something with no real reason, and cram their beliefs down other people's throats for the same reasons really, fishing for reactions, xenophobic, or just bigoted. Being a fanboy and being a hater are both 2 sides of the same coin. That same obnoxious, annoying, illogical coin.

 

Yes, it's annoying when somebody mindlessly hates on bronies, but it's also annoying when someone mindlessly talks about MLP when it is completely irrelevant. It's annoying when someone bashs bronies without reason, and it's also annoying when someone crams MLP down people's throats.

 

Bronies aren't annoying. Brony fanboys are. Because they're biased, and force their opinions on everyone else.

Non-Bronies aren't annoying. Brony haters are. Because they're biased, and force their opinions on everyone else.

 

Brony hater, Brony fanboy, it doesn't matter. They're both the same thing: A-N-N-O-Y-I-N-G.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Commander Urdnot

[Shanks 10,816]

Haters in general can be pretty annoying, I think the reason why brony haters can seem a bit more annoying is because of the social stigma of liking a "girls show" causes many bronies a bit more defensive than I feel they should be. Being defensive like this only feeds the trolls by giving them the attention they crave and encourages public misconceptions that bronies have something to hide. I have said this many times and I will say it again the best approach is to simply treat it like we would treat any other interest.

[Antismurf9001 1,271]

I think that a possible answer might lie here:

 

 

This is "our" place, so why do they have to be there if they don't like it?

 

Now this can easily be put into the point of view of the haters.  For example; 4chan.  One day, 4chan is a nice, normal place (well, as nice and normal as 4chan can be...) and the next day there is pony-spam to the point where mass-banning fails and they have to create a section specifically dedicated to ponies (I'm not terribly familiar with 4chan or 4chan lore, but that's how I understood it to have happened.  Forgive me if I have my facts wrong).  Basically, the internet as a whole was once theirs, but now bronies have invaded their territory and they're trying to defend it.

 

The reason that I think that MLP is different than other controversial fandoms because of its presence.  Final Destination, for example, is a series that I don't really care for.  I've never seen any fan art/videos/discussions on it.  I'm sure they're out there, I just don't look for them.  MLP is different.  Ponies seem to be getting harder and harder to avoid, even if you're not looking for them.  So, to the haters, it's not as much going out of their way to attack bronies, since they don't really have to look to find us.  We're just there.

[Shanks 10,816]

So, to the haters, it's not as much going out of their way to attack bronies, since they don't really have to look to find us.  We're just there.

Yeah but those aren't really haters though, haters actually do go out of their way to find and attack us. Sure we are pretty much everywhere and that can turn some people into haters due to the fact that the brony fandom challenges pre conceived notions of gender rolls which is very frightening to a lot of people. And the loud minority of bronies that do take things a bit far when it comes to expanding the herd don't really help matters either but alot of it is still on them because I mean really are ponies really the worst thing someone can run into? I haven't really found very much pony related stuff except for the occasion ponied pic unless I seeked it out or the friend that introduced me to ponies showed me something.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

I think that a possible answer might lie here:

 

 

 

Now this can easily be put into the point of view of the haters.  For example; 4chan.  One day, 4chan is a nice, normal place (well, as nice and normal as 4chan can be...) and the next day there is pony-spam to the point where mass-banning fails and they have to create a section specifically dedicated to ponies (I'm not terribly familiar with 4chan or 4chan lore, but that's how I understood it to have happened.  Forgive me if I have my facts wrong).  Basically, the internet as a whole was once theirs, but now bronies have invaded their territory and they're trying to defend it.

 

The reason that I think that MLP is different than other controversial fandoms because of its presence.  Final Destination, for example, is a series that I don't really care for.  I've never seen any fan art/videos/discussions on it.  I'm sure they're out there, I just don't look for them.  MLP is different.  Ponies seem to be getting harder and harder to avoid, even if you're not looking for them.  So, to the haters, it's not as much going out of their way to attack bronies, since they don't really have to look to find us.  We're just there.

 

True in some respects... and I have heard that logic that ponies are everywhere from some of my friends, and that they find it annoying, but what does that have to do with me? I don't understand why they can't separate people from the fandom at times. Just because I'm a Brony doesn't connect me to the spread of ponies all over the place at all. I don't shove it in their faces, I don't even bring it up most of the time. People should learn to deal with it sometimes. I get Sports, video games, and other television shows, such as Doctor Who, shoved in my face all the time on the Internet and real life, and I don't complain about it because I learn to just deal with it.

[Umbral Noir 1,556]

It can be taken from both sides. Some haters are completely obnoxious, horrible people, while some of them are perfectly nice, they just have an opinion. However, the same can be said for bronies. Some bronies can be very horrible people as well, though most of us seem to be nice (especially on this forum! ). I do think, though, that the haters are wasting their time. If they don't like something, they don't have to go out of their way just to criticise it and ruin it for those who enjoy it. That said, some bronies go out of their way to annoy haters! Both sides can be seen as both guilty and innocent at the same time!

[Card Shark 26]

Honestly, I just laugh at haters. I think all they want is to make themselves feel better about themselves around those of us who feel good enough about ourselves to openly admit "Why yes, I do like MLP and I won't hide it," while they sit there, ignorant and unaware of the joy they just might have with an episode or two, and bash us for this. Misplaced blame and self doubt cause the outburst and we recieve the brunt. Just laugh at them, they go away.

of course, if they simply dislike MLP and have a good reason and attitude about it, there is no issue, and i'm not talking about them, they are respectful enough.

[Zygen 6,066]

Eh depends, they can be annoying at times and sometimes painfully ignorant, but I've seen some dumb responses from bronies to haters to.

 

I do agree that we really should just try and ignore them for the most part, it would save a lot of trouble. Both from haters bothering us and bronies who just give us a bad name I guess.

[bladereaper07 42]

A hater once asked to see my Rainbow Dash figure, I complied 'cause I was oblivious that she was a hater. After a few "observations" on my figurine, she threw it away. I was like "What the fudge!", what's more is I was an upper-class man and she was just a freshman... No respect, I tell 'ya...
OK, sorry for the rant,
So, um, I have nothing decent to say but "Haters gonna hate>"

[King 5,625]

It's all opinion related...

 

Some haters can be complete assholes whose only life goal is to annoy and hate on people.

 

However...

 

We demonise some other haters who are more along the lines of "critics" and thats our fault really ,not their's...

 

 

Either way I tolerate them and love them as Humans...thats it though...

[Giegue 8]

I think that the majority of the hate is due to the reason that we are a rather large fandom who likes a girly show, which adds up to "easy fandom to troll" in their minds. Another reason is that it is popular to hate on things that drastically deviate from the "normal" tv show. Given America's and other country's view on "unmanly things", a good amount of the hate may be to prove to their peers that they "hate" this show when they secretly like it in some bizzare man-tsundere fashion.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Giegue

[Raiden_Opsaidoun 23]

Looks like all these other responses are right, Both the haters AND the bronies them selves are obnoxious. Yeah, we may be a peaceful group, but I met a few bronies at my school who are pretty much crazy in all sorts of ways. As for the haters, I only found one so far at my school. Everyday I pass her she points her finger at me and goes like "BRONY!!" then kinda accuses me of... nevermind. But I'm afraid we are not able to fight these haters because they might get stronger, I think of this because that girl at my school talks to ALOT of people. I'm afraid what's gonna happen next. However, because I realize the fandom has a "dark side" this is the reason why there's a lot of wild hatred, and sometimes I believe we have it coming.

[Groovyle 43]

You can't really blame one side. I think both sides will be blamed if you choose to blame.

Yes, I agree with these replies here, there are some "peace" haters (uhh I don't know the word for "peace") that you can't really call them haters, and there are wild haters too whose objective is to pick a fight (more like trolling) with the bronies. Of course provoked bronies are going to self-defend themselves, or more like "revenge" to counterattack. This is what started the war (obviously ). The bronies started the war, but the haters provoked it.

Don't think me bad, just for example religion wars. They battle for their own God and try to convince the others, but sometimes in a rude way.

 

Still, it's best to tolerate the haters.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Groovyle

[Wulph Jay Pie 4]

well u just have to keep in mind. the bigger the fandom the bigger the group of haters. but it is a double edged sword. there are those bronies who try to shove being a brony down your throat. but u get people like that everywhere. but majority of the hateful spam i see is "ponyfag, bronyfag, clopperfag, u watch a show for little girls," i once even got a message saying: " i dont beat off to cartoons so im not a brony." i literally sat there for 10 minutes trying to understand what exactly was going on in his head and what exactly he has seen. i mean yeah there are the "dark" sides and "x-rated" sides of mlp. but they just assume generalize everybody because they are to blind to see(or just dont care) that everybody is in the fandom for a different reason. but all this being said. ive yet to run acrossed people who try and force mlp on people. but i do see an excessive amount of hate towards it. more then there probably should be. it just makes me wonder what i may be over looking, because ive seen truck loads of fan-art fan-fans of all genres. im still baffled on how people can  hate u for just enjoying a cartoon and enjoying amazing fan-works.

[Pinkamena Dianne Pie 465]

 

Looks like all these other responses are right, Both the haters AND the bronies them selves are obnoxious. Yeah, we may be a peaceful group, but I met a few bronies at my school who are pretty much crazy in all sorts of ways. As for the haters, I only found one so far at my school. Everyday I pass her she points her finger at me and goes like "BRONY!!" then kinda accuses me of... nevermind. But I'm afraid we are not able to fight these haters because they might get stronger, I think of this because that girl at my school talks to ALOT of people. I'm afraid what's gonna happen next. However, because I realize the fandom has a "dark side" this is the reason why there's a lot of wild hatred, and sometimes I believe we have it coming.

 

 

To be honest in every single way. It doesn't matter what fandom there is, whether from teletubbies to Dr. Who, there is always going to be a "dark side" to everything, and I mean EVERYTHING.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Looks like all these other responses are right, Both the haters AND the bronies them selves are obnoxious. Yeah, we may be a peaceful group, but I met a few bronies at my school who are pretty much crazy in all sorts of ways. As for the haters, I only found one so far at my school. Everyday I pass her she points her finger at me and goes like "BRONY!!" then kinda accuses me of... nevermind. But I'm afraid we are not able to fight these haters because they might get stronger, I think of this because that girl at my school talks to ALOT of people. I'm afraid what's gonna happen next. However, because I realize the fandom has a "dark side" this is the reason why there's a lot of wild hatred, and sometimes I believe we have it coming.

 

No, that's not why there's a lot of the hatred. That's just one of the reasons the haters use to justify their hatred. Every fandom has a dark side, and the MLP fandom's dark side is thankfully not the worst one I've seen on the Internet, and I'm sure that's the same for the haters as well. We don't have it coming. I have done nothing to these people and yet they hate on me and what I like. That's the epitome of obnoxiousness.

[Nightfall 3,950]

*snippity~*

 

Naw, man. I have a few friends that don't like (OK, so I don't know if they hate ponies or not, but they don't like them, and that can be nearly the same.) ponies. They are pretty cool people.

One of them doesn't want to hear about ponies, really, so I respect their wishes and don't speak about ponies around them. And they're not mean at all.

 

Respect the "haters" wishes, and they should not bother you too much about it.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Naw, man. I have a few friends that don't like (OK, so I don't know if they hate ponies or not, but they don't like them, and that can be nearly the same.) ponies. They are pretty cool people.

One of them doesn't want to hear about ponies, really, so I respect their wishes and don't speak about ponies around them. And they're not mean at all.

 

Respect the "haters" wishes, and they should not bother you too much about it.

 

Well, I think that's a bit different. Usually when you know someone who doesn't like the show on a personal level, they'll be nicer to you and simply request that you not talk about it around them, which is fine.

 

But this also deals with haters on the Internet, who are not nearly so understanding. They come on Youtube videos or on forums and tell you that you're wrong for liking the show or insult, even though they don't know you. Basically, because you're a Brony, they assume a lot about you. That's the haters that usually cannot be reasoned with. Not to say I haven't gotten some soften up on Youtube and other places, but they're generally not as understanding as someone you actually know in real life.

 

Haters on the Internet and their wishes basically amount to, at times, not wanting pony-loving to be going on at all. That's just not fair, at least in my opinion. Some people just need to learn to deal with the fact that My Little Pony is well-loved and widespread on the Internet. After all, I usually equate their complaints about it being everywhere and shoved in their face with Anime, which, even Anime lovers cannot contest, is freaking everywhere. Everything I look up on the Internet has "Anime-ized" pictures or something, just like the ponies. Yet I don't see these people complaining about that, and a lot of the haters actually have anime avatars on the Internet as well.

[Nightfall 3,950]

Well, I think that's a bit different. Usually when you know someone who doesn't like the show on a personal level, they'll be nicer to you and simply request that you not talk about it around them, which is fine.

 

But this also deals with haters on the Internet, who are not nearly so understanding. They come on Youtube videos or on forums and tell you that you're wrong for liking the show or insult, even though they don't know you. Basically, because you're a Brony, they assume a lot about you. That's the haters that usually cannot be reasoned with. Not to say I haven't gotten some soften up on Youtube and other places, but they're generally not as understanding as someone you actually know in real life.

 

Haters on the Internet and their wishes basically amount to, at times, not wanting pony-loving to be going on at all. That's just not fair, at least in my opinion. Some people just need to learn to deal with the fact that My Little Pony is well-loved and widespread on the Internet. After all, I usually equate their complaints about it being everywhere and shoved in their face with Anime, which, even Anime lovers cannot contest, is freaking everywhere. Everything I look up on the Internet has "Anime-ized" pictures or something, just like the ponies. Yet I don't see these people complaining about that, and a lot of the haters actually have anime avatars on the Internet as well.

 

Well, now.

If they can't be reasoned with, then of course they're obnoxious, especially if we ourselves are being reasonable.

 

Your response that "some people just need to deal with the fact that..." isn't really helpful at all. It's adding fuel to the fire of "hate the bronies because they don't stay true to their words 'love and tolerate,' and because their faggots."

While it may be hard to "love and tolerate" certain people, the least we can do, if it's impossible to love them, is to try to be softer with them, and to try to reason. If everything fails, ignore them. Their words can't penetrate your defense if you ignore them.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Well, now.

If they can't be reasoned with, then of course they're obnoxious, especially if we ourselves are being reasonable.

 

Your response that "some people just need to deal with the fact that..." isn't really helpful at all. It's adding fuel to the fire of "hate the bronies because they don't stay true to their words 'love and tolerate,' and because their faggots."

While it may be hard to "love and tolerate" certain people, the least we can do, if it's impossible to love them, is to try to be softer with them, and to try to reason. If everything fails, ignore them. Their words can't penetrate your defense if you ignore them.

 

I know that my words might not be helpful, but what would you think if I went around complaining about Anime for the same reasons? I would get laughed off the Internet in a hot minute.

 

Actually, I'm of the thought process that we should love and tolerate even the haters and actually try to start dialogues with people who hate on Bronies and My Little Pony; as I said, I have had conversations with self-proclaimed anti-Bronies on the Internet and gotten them to change their tune to at least tolerating ponies and not hating on them. But at the same time, I just don't see why ponies are different from other things that are shoved in our faces. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. And yes, ignoring is full-proof, but remember that you can't always ignore; after all, if you let only the haters talk about the show, then you're letting them control the dialogue and spread around whatever misinformation they want about the show and the fandom.

 

There has to be a balance. I'm not a gung-ho attack the haters guy because that's not right, you'll just start fights where everyone loses. I think trying to talk to them will work, but, at the same time, we have to also be real with ourselves and realize that some people just like to hate and that there's no getting through to some folks. Those are the ones you ignore.