Why do people complain about "how bad music is today"?

[Dr. Eggnog 203]

When I think new music I think rap and dubstep mainly.  Both sound very unpleasant to me, and rap sounds like it's trying way too hard to be cool.  Dubstep doesn't even sound like it wants to sound good imo.  I don't think older music was just genuis all the time but it was more pleasant.

[Black Licorice 58]

I believe that it's just the way our society works. People always have had a type of music to put down: Nowadays, it's country or pop that's getting put down. Never really liked neither & I do have a few old songs on my mp3 player, but another problem is that people seem to think more & more about the content than the sheer talent of the artist (Ever heard of Imagine Dragons? My point exactly).

 

To me, it's always the talented artists that get shunned & the terrible ones that make "classics" *cough* THRIFT SHOP! *cough*. Whenever a great artist makes a great song, people always speak terrible about it (Remember Bring Me To Life by Evanescence & how much crap it got.), but whenever someone makes a terrible song like Thrift Shop or Gentleman, people praise it.

 

That's just my opinion.

[Gourgeist 262]

Well for one I sure don't count "NIgga nigga ass bitches 420 cash money" as music so yeah. 

 

Second everything is losing personality and it doesn't feel as worked hard on as older music. 

 

Third, the fanbases of that can be pretty um..........bad

[Zaylles 27]

I don't have something against new music, I just have something against how producers buy it up the charts and shove it down people's throats. Somehow everyone then thinks "Oh god, this is number 1 on the charts, so it's good". This does not apply to everyone, but it's pretty much the majority of the people here.

[hawkflame 3,310]

Part of the reason why is that time has a way of sifting out a lot of the bad stuff, either from our memories or from actual availability.  The other part of it is that nostalgia is *extremely* powerful. 

 

I grew up in the 80s, for instance.  When people think of 80s metal bands, they think of Metallica, Guns and Roses, etc.  They think less of groups like Whitesnake or Poison, and they think even *less* about groups like Ratt or Warrant. 

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

To me, it's always the talented artists that get shunned & the terrible ones that make "classics" *cough* THRIFT SHOP! *cough*. Whenever a great artist makes a great song, people always speak terrible about it (Remember Bring Me To Life by Evanescence & how much crap it got.), but whenever someone makes a terrible song like Thrift Shop or Gentleman, people praise it.

 

That's just my opinion.

Ehh... I never really liked Evanesence. They're just too soft for me... But that's just my opinion.

 

 

Well for one I sure don't count "NIgga nigga ass bitches 420 cash money" as music so yeah. 

 

Second everything is losing personality and it doesn't feel as worked hard on as older music. 

 

Third, the fanbases of that can be pretty um..........bad

What do you mean by "everything is losing personality" and "it doesn't feel as worked on as older music"?

 

 

Part of the reason why is that time has a way of sifting out a lot of the bad stuff, either from our memories or from actual availability.  The other part of it is that nostalgia is *extremely* powerful. 

 

I grew up in the 80s, for instance.  When people think of 80s metal bands, they think of Metallica, Guns and Roses, etc.  They think less of groups like Whitesnake or Poison, and they think even *less* about groups like Ratt or Warrant. 

Hmm... when I think of 80's metal I think of something much different. (I don't even consider Guns N' Roses metal, they just arent. They're just hard rock IMO). When I think of 80's metal I think of many things. There's the NWOBHM bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Venom. There's trash metal, which is stuff like Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus, Antrax, Sodom, Destruction, Kreator, etc. There's early death metal, early grindcore, early black metal, there was even doom metal back then. But those genres didn't reach high gear until the 90's.

 

 

It's like what Blue Moon said at the very start of the topic. It's not the music in general; it's the mainstream music that gets worse and worse. Personally, I don't really live the music today because it's so repetitive and predictable. Classical music is where it's at. So much to analyze and so much history and life in it, that not even words are required. Besides, it's where all music is from too. 

Classical music is good, but not everything nowadays is "repetitive and predictable". Unless you're referring to the crap on the radio.

Edited April 28, 2013 by AtDawnTheySquee

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

Well for one I sure don't count "NIgga nigga ass bitches 420 cash money" as music so yeah. 

 

Second everything is losing personality and it doesn't feel as worked hard on as older music. 

 

Third, the fanbases of that can be pretty um..........bad

 

Dude, this only applies to certain kinds of music. Not even that much of it is like that, not even all rappers are like that, take Death Grips as an example, Industrial Hip-Hop, and people say that bands nowadays aren't innovative, I can assure you that there aren't many rap bands that are like this:

 

 

 

It's like what Blue Moon said at the very start of the topic. It's not the music in general; it's the mainstream music that gets worse and worse. Personally, I don't really live the music today because it's so repetitive and predictable. Classical music is where it's at. So much to analyze and so much history and life in it, that not even words are required. Besides, it's where all music is from too. 

 

So much history on in classical? Dude every genre has it's history because every genre has it's roots, there's loads of things to look up behind electronic, metal, and almost every single other genre of music. Heck there's even historical roots behind pop music. As for everything being repetitive and predictable, it's hard to say that with the direction that certain genres are going. Some of the genres are going off into a different route then the rest of the music.

[Inactive01 5,299]

Dude, this only applies to certain kinds of music. Not even that much of it is like that, not even all rappers are like that, take Death Grips as an example, Industrial Hip-Hop, and people say that bands nowadays aren't innovative, I can assure you that there aren't many rap bands that are like this:

 

 

 

 

So much history on in classical? Dude every genre has it's history because every genre has it's roots, there's loads of things to look up behind electronic, metal, and almost every single other genre of music. Heck there's even historical roots behind pop music. As for everything being repetitive and predictable, it's hard to say that with the direction that certain genres are going. Some of the genres are going off into a different route then the rest of the music.

 

I never said the other genres never had history. And you're telling me today's music is unpredictable? Most pieces today have just verse, refrain, verse, refrain, bridge, refrain again. And they repeat the refrain and verse with the exact same music. When I listen to a song, I know where exactly it's going with today's music. You don't get that when you listen to classical music for the very first time. With classical music, you can be extremely unpredictable even within a given format. The instrumentation choices are infinite, the length can be infinite, and even the melodic and chord developments are unpredictable. Heck, even the interpretation of the music can be unpredictable! Most of the rock bands today play their music only one way, and everyone else just tries to copy. Today's classical musicians can keep in line with the history of the music AND provide their own feelings to the music at the same time, like me.

 

Plus, I don't think you read my whole statement. All the notes, all the chord progressions, and dare I say lyrics, come from Ancient Greece and the Middle East, all of which was further developed by Medieval monks who placed the pillars of classical music by creating music with Ars Antiqua and Ars Nova. You know where musical notes come from? That came from the Notre Dame School of Polyphany, another pillar to classical music.

 

You know when the idea of having chords progress in a direction came about? The 1600s when major and minor scales began to exist. Leadsheet symbols, which almost all modern music gladly uses, originates from jazz music, a branch of music that originated from ragtime, which in turn was originated from the Romantic Era, a part of classical music if you didn't know already. Even Rock and Roll came from Blues, Jazz, and Swing forms of music, all of which also originated from classical music. Ever heard of George Gershwin, Irving Berlin, and Rodgers and Hammerstein? They pioneered traditional pop, which is a predecessor of Rock and Roll. Traditional pop also comes from classical music.

 

Yes all the modern forms have some history, but classical music dates centuries. The history the forms of music you state are mere ants compared to the history of classical music. Yes I admit one of the roots of jazz music is African music which can go back even further, but none of the modern forms would ever have arose if the Western influence did not come in. 

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

 

 

I never said the other genres never had history. And you're telling me today's music is unpredictable? Most pieces today have just verse, refrain, verse, refrain, bridge, refrain again. And they repeat the refrain and verse with the exact same music. When I listen to a song, I know where exactly it's going with today's music. You don't get that when you listen to classical music for the very first time. With classical music, you can be extremely unpredictable even within a given format. The instrumentation choices are infinite, the length can be infinite, and even the melodic and chord developments are unpredictable. Heck, even the interpretation of the music can be unpredictable!

Looks like we got ourselves a classical elitist right here.

 

 

 

Most of the rock bands today play their music only one way, and everyone else just tries to copy. Today's classical musicians can keep in line with the history of the music AND provide their own feelings to the music at the same time, like me.

Bro do you even Opeth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI3tMzg2LrA

 

Or even Apocalyptica?

 

 

 

Yes all the modern forms have some history, but classical music dates centuries. The history the forms of music you state are mere ants compared to the history of classical music. Yes I admit one of the roots of jazz music is African music which can go back even further, but none of the modern forms would ever have arose if the Western influence did not come in.

It's all a huge network that goes way back, classical music is pretty much the foundation for everything we have today. 

[Inactive01 5,299]

Looks like we got ourselves a classical elitist right here.

 

 

 

Bro do you even Opeth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI3tMzg2LrA

 

Or even Apocalyptica?

 

 

 

It's all a huge network that goes way back, classical music is pretty much the foundation for everything we have today. 

If the term "classical elitist" was meant to be derogatory, then that's fine. Not a lot of people understand us musicians anyway. And it is true. I've played on the piano and violin for 11 and 10 years respectively. And I'm also taking a music minor along with my biology major. That's where I learned all about music history, in which classical music is indeed the foundation for all music today, a statement you made

 

I've listened to both bands before. Not my cup of tea unfortunately. If you like it though, that's completely fine; I know lots of friends who love that stuff and I'm perfectly fine with them.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

I never said the other genres never had history. And you're telling me today's music is unpredictable? Most pieces today have just verse, refrain, verse, refrain, bridge, refrain again. And they repeat the refrain and verse with the exact same music. When I listen to a song, I know where exactly it's going with today's music. You don't get that when you listen to classical music for the very first time. With classical music, you can be extremely unpredictable even within a given format. The instrumentation choices are infinite, the length can be infinite, and even the melodic and chord developments are unpredictable. Heck, even the interpretation of the music can be unpredictable! Most of the rock bands today play their music only one way, and everyone else just tries to copy. Today's classical musicians can keep in line with the history of the music AND provide their own feelings to the music at the same time, like me.

 

Not all songs fall into the whole verse, refrain, chorus, bridge repeat category, a lot of electronic artists and bands out there focus on using different sounds and evolving their songs. Take a listen to the album Ultravisitor by Squarepusher. The whole album is a bunch of live improvisations that he recorded. Tell me if this song has an obvious structure.

As you listen to the track you'll hear different sounds being layered together, and sequences being tied together, also length wise check out Natasha by Pig Destroyer, it's 36 minutes long with different parts that are unlike each other being put together. It doesn't have a chorus, nor does it a have a refrain, bridge, verse etc. the song keeps on taking different twists as it starts out as a Dark Ambient song, then as the distorted guitars come in it becomes a Doom Metal track, and it will further change from what it was before, I wont spoil the rest for you, since you seem to like a track that can evolve.

 

As I said before, some bands are going a different route, maybe they aren't famous for it, but they still exist. If you'd like some more examples then I'll be willing to give out some.

 

 

Yes all the modern forms have some history, but classical music dates centuries. The history the forms of music you state are mere ants compared to the history of classical music. Yes I admit one of the roots of jazz music is African music which can go back even further, but none of the modern forms would ever have arose if the Western influence did not come in. 

 

Genres evolve into different sounds, surely everything roots together into classical music. Though the evolution from music within the past 3-4 decades is catastrophic. You can have a certain genre that outdates the rest, though it may not have evolved like the way certain other genres have. Heck modern music has even got to the point where you can root rock bands to some of the oldest electronic bands around. Surely none of the modern genres would of ever came out with the ones that predate it, but that doesn't mean that it's evolution can come out among the other genres.

[uuunph 288]

Not all songs fall into the whole verse, refrain, chorus, bridge repeat category, a lot of electronic artists and bands out there focus on using different sounds and evolving their songs.

This is true, but I'll also add that this pretty much applies to any sort of music.

 

Generalizing music beyond the criteria for the subgenre and locale it falls under is pretty ignorant. Besides, there was an ample supply of music from "before" that fit under that formulaic song structure trend. I don't see what the big deal is, other than for people to claim they have some sort of musical superiority by bashing music from a certain period of time.

Edited April 28, 2013 by Railrunner

[Inactive01 5,299]

Not all songs fall into the whole verse, refrain, chorus, bridge repeat category, a lot of electronic artists and bands out there focus on using different sounds and evolving their songs. Take a listen to the album Ultravisitor by Squarepusher. The whole album is a bunch of live improvisations that he recorded. Tell me if this song has an obvious structure.

As you listen to the track you'll hear different sounds being layered together, and sequences being tied together, also length wise check out Natasha by Pig Destroyer, it's 36 minutes long with different parts that are unlike each other being put together. It doesn't have a chorus, nor does it a have a refrain, bridge, verse etc. the song keeps on taking different twists as it starts out as a Dark Ambient song, then as the distorted guitars come in it becomes a Doom Metal track, and it will further change from what it was before, I wont spoil the rest for you, since you seem to like a track that can evolve.

 

As I said before, some bands are going a different route, maybe they aren't famous for it, but they still exist. If you'd like some more examples then I'll be willing to give out some.

 

 

 

Genres evolve into different sounds, surely everything roots together into classical music. Though the evolution from music within the past 3-4 decades is catastrophic. You can have a certain genre that outdates the rest, though it may not have evolved like the way certain other genres have. Heck modern music has even got to the point where you can root rock bands to some of the oldest electronic bands around. Surely none of the modern genres would of ever came out with the ones that predate it, but that doesn't mean that it's evolution can come out among the other genres.

I agree that there indeed was a burst of music that exists in the 1950s and 1960s that brought out all the modern forms of music today. However, those same evolutionary processes you mention also happened throughout the Classical Era world multiple times in its history. The 1600s had the invention of the opera, the predecessor to the musical. That same time frame also witnessed the invention of the concerto and chamber music. In fact, musical gatherings that we see all the time today originated from the 1600s. Concerts for performers were never held for the public before then, and modern music gladly takes that with it.

 

The 1700s saw a huge increase in the progression of the fortepiano, the predecessor to today's keyboard and electric keyboard. The guitar was already in use during the Medieval Ages and its use also increased significantly during the 1600s. The electric guitar just combined the past instruments and added electricity; there's nothing really original in that in my opinion. The 1800s saw huge expansions in chord progressions and composers were determined to get unique sounds passed with the limited resources they had. And boy do they sound a lot more colourful than today's music in my opinion. Here's an example:

 

 

Hear the anger expressed with just the notes of a single instrument. You'd need a full rock band just to match the anger expressed within the chords. The suspense and tension within the diminished chords and minor scale progressions is beyond compare. All a rock band does in my opinion is just get louder and louder and louder. You don't need loudness to express anger. That's what I'm trying to get at.

 

EDIT I forgot to add. You don't need sound effects either. One can already express sadness and development with a strong melody and an even stronger development section like the piece I showed you here.

Also, For the first song you showed me, I hear the development of sounds, but I don't see the point of it all. In all art, you're trying to express something. I don't hear that in your choices.

Edited April 28, 2013 by Derpity Derp

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

Hear the anger expressed with just the notes of a single instrument. You'd need a full rock band just to match the anger expressed within the chords. The suspense and tension within the diminished chords and minor scale progressions is beyond compare. All a rock band does in my opinion is just get louder and louder and louder. You don't need loudness to express anger. That's what I'm trying to get at.

 

If you think that all a rock band does it just get louder and louder, then you need to get your head up and quit being narrow-minded about things. I do agree that loudness is not needed to give out anger, though there are bands who have the ability to innovate. Just because originality isn't contained, doesn't mean that there is no innovation nor creativity within their music. As for emotion within a single instrument, Sunn O))) and other Drone bands can fill that in. Hear how that one guitar chord being strummed has a darker, angry, and maybe even relaxing mood for some. It might not top your classical music, though the point that I'm getting at is that there still is that same ability within modern music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqR7VF3XsVo

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

 

 

Hear the anger expressed with just the notes of a single instrument. You'd need a full rock band just to match the anger expressed within the chords. The suspense and tension within the diminished chords and minor scale progressions is beyond compare. All a rock band does in my opinion is just get louder and louder and louder. You don't need loudness to express anger. That's what I'm trying to get at.

This is a bit narrow minded, sure you don't need to be loud to be angry but not all bands are "loud, loud, loud".

Like gooM said, some bands have the ability to inovate. Take for example Electric Wizard, they have this very haunting, dark, sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGRzstDcgO0

[Inactive01 5,299]

It's true that not all rock music is loud, but that's the general trend for most bands today. You can't deny that. In all honesty, the guitar's just strumming one note. I do feel the inferno nonetheless. Not bad. Still, it's just the same notes over and over again, so it does get boring.

 

 

Classical music isn't all just rage though. There's also night music just for people out on the lake. In fact, the title of this piece is just as it suggests: "Night music".

 

Also, have some Ravel. Here's a perfect buildup type piece that is akin to the buildup music you're showing me. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK23BhEQVyU

 

 

Whatever rock music did, classical already did it nonetheless. 

 

And here's another piece I feel sounds like a piece from inferno. Hear the orchestra respond with loud accents like fire spewing out of the rocks in hell. Hear the piano right at the beginning. It's an instant introduction to the inferno. 

 

Edited April 28, 2013 by Derpity Derp

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

It's true that not all rock music is loud, but that's the general trend for most bands today. You can't deny that.

No, now you're just generalizing. I know you already said you didn't like this band, but listen to the intro to this song. Note, it's starts of with an acoustic guitar, then it has a gradual build up. Then, it becomes quiet again, but with a dark and mysterious sound.

Edited April 28, 2013 by AtDawnTheySquee

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

It's true that not all rock music is loud, but that's the general trend for most bands today. You can't deny that. In all honesty, the guitar's just strumming one note. I do feel the inferno nonetheless. Not bad. Still, it's just the same notes over and over again, so it does get boring.

 

Whatever rock music did, classical already did it nonetheless. 

 

Rock music isn't all rage neither, Post-Rock can definitely prove that. Just listen to this Mogwai track 

It's beautiful and atmospheric. as for the whole "whatever rock music did, classic did it first" that is the most narrow-minded statement that I've ever heard. As I stated before just because someone lacks originality doesn't mean that they lack creativity, nor innovation. Let's say that I felt influenced by a few different bands and decided to go make my own band, I'm gonna use those multiple influences and combine them together to make a completely different sound, something that's different from anything else. A brand new style, that sounds different from the rest. Emotion is within music everywhere, and is portrayed in different ways, hell even some bands focus more on experimentation and creating different sounds, rather then emotion. So obviously emotion is going to have been already done in a song previously.

[Inactive01 5,299]

I'm sorry, but I don't think I see the point in this anymore. I think the biggest problem is that I feel that the music you like oversimplifies concepts present throughout history like rage and happiness. I also noticed that most of the music you're showing me doesn't have a story involved. You can't hear anything developing; it's directionless and it's just there for mindless listening. Maybe you guys should tell me the story behind some of these song to help me appreciate your music more.

 

Take the inferno piece I tried to show you (link won't open for some reason. I'll try again here). You can hear the music already establishing an inferno from the start. You can hear the rocks opening to spew off lava. when the orchestra replies with large accents from the strings. You can hear a sense of tension growing as the people try to avoid and dodge the many obstacles that block their escape, like geysers, volcanoes, and earthquakes. It's practically an apocalypse. At the middle of the piece, you can hear them sitting at a place of rest, a tense feeling of safety and anxiety. Will the ground below them crack? Will there be another gush of water to blow them away? They know the elements are against them! It's an extremely pessimistic piece. Then the octaves on the piano fall and they're back to being chased! Eventually, the people are engulfed into the Earth. The world has defeated them. That's where the ending of the piece comes in. The lava spews out its hardest blows, the Earth shatters beneath them, and Hell is ready to take the poor souls in when that low C drops in from the piano. The people have one last chance, but they fail, and their demise is complete. The concerto ends when the g minor arpeggios and g minor chords are dropped. 

 

See what I mean? Can you tell me a story with the music you are presenting to me? Your music does portrays things in new ways, but can it tell a story? That's what all art is meant to do. Why did the composer convey something in a certain way? What makes the piece interesting for the listener? The story I just posed to you is just one way of looking at this piece. This piece could mean a multitude of things. It could even be a spiritual battle. That is the main reason why I don't really like music today. It doesn't really get me anywhere. It just is a way for me to relax from my difficulties or just listen to something that's not too brain stimulating. Even then, I have Mozart to do that.  

 

Also, with these pieces, there are an infinite amount of performers expressing their own interpretations within the composition; because we don't know the composer's mind, it makes a person's performance all the more intriguing. With rock music, there's often only a few ways to perform the piece, and there's really not that much innovation or creativity within playing the piece itself. That's another reason why I feel music today isn't that interesting. 

 

May I also add? That's just one part of the whole piece. There's three parts, the second part being much more flustery and imaginative. The first movement is one of sadness, anger, and fire unlike the third movement because of its slow, dragged out melody.

Edited April 28, 2013 by Derpity Derp

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

I'm sorry, but I don't think I see the point in this anymore. I think the biggest problem is that I feel that the music you like oversimplifies concepts present throughout history like rage and happiness. I also noticed that most of the music you're showing me doesn't have a story involved. You can't hear anything developing; it's directionless and it's just there for mindless listening. Maybe you guys should tell me the story behind some of these song to help me appreciate your music more.

 

Well you want a story, listen to the Natasha song that I posted earlier and tell me that song doesn't have a story evolving from it. The way how the instrumentation evolves from the start to the finish, and the lyrics that go with it, I highly recommend reading as the story has such a poetic tale behind it. I'll even post it again for the heck of it.

[Inactive01 5,299]

I'm also wondering. Have you guys listened to the pieces I tried to show you? I'm sorry if I came across as arrogant or closed-minded. It's probably because I've been really frustrated at the mainstream music. I've no qualms against the music you like; it's just that the mainstream music's been getting uglier and uglier. That's what the topic was about right? That's often the music that many people complain about, including myself. I'm sure you have complaints about Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga right? And don't get me started with One Direction.

 

And yes, I have listened to the music examples you posed to me. They're interesting to say the least, but not something I'd listen to everyday for my pleasure. Nonetheless, at least I know rock isn't all just banging or screaming. Personally, I listen to punk rock and Eurobeat in my spare time when I just want to chill. Classical music is great, but I like to listen to other music as well. 

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

 

 

I'm also wondering. Have you guys listened to the pieces I tried to show you? I'm sorry if I came across as arrogant or closed-minded.

Yes, I listened to the "angry song".

 

It's probably because I've been really frustrated at the mainstream music.

I don't listen to the radio.

 

 

I've no qualms against the music you like; it's just that the mainstream music's been getting uglier and uglier.

It's always been shit, thhere's been a few exceptions though.

 

 

That's what the topic was about right? That's often the music that many people complain about, including myself. I'm sure you have complaints about Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga right? And don't get me started with One Direction.

Yes, everyone complains about them.

 

 

And yes, I have listened to the music examples you posed to me. They're interesting to say the least, but not something I'd listen to everyday for my pleasure. Nonetheless, at least I know rock isn't all just banging or screaming.

It's actually metal, yes there is a diferance between rock and metal. There's also various subgenres and fusion genres of metal.

 

 

Personally, I listen to punk rock and Eurobeat in my spare time when I just want to chill. Classical music is great, but I like to listen to other music as well. 

Well, good for you. 

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

I'm also wondering. Have you guys listened to the pieces I tried to show you? I'm sorry if I came across as arrogant or closed-minded. It's probably because I've been really frustrated at the mainstream music. I've no qualms against the music you like; it's just that the mainstream music's been getting uglier and uglier. That's what the topic was about right? That's often the music that many people complain about, including myself. I'm sure you have complaints about Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga right? And don't get me started with One Direction.

 

And yes, I have listened to the music examples you posed to me. They're interesting to say the least, but not something I'd listen to everyday for my pleasure. Nonetheless, at least I know rock isn't all just banging or screaming. Personally, I listen to punk rock and Eurobeat in my spare time when I just want to chill. Classical music is great, but I like to listen to other music as well. 

 

Well the point that at least I was trying to get at was that your generalizations are incorrect, and that you can create new things with other styles or techniques that have been used before. I never did expect you to like anything that I had posted, I just wanted to use those songs to prove my point, just like how you did with the songs that you've posted. I'm not trying to make you like what I like, I just wanted to prove that what you were saying was false. And as for mainstream music, the topic of this, is actually not just simply referring to mainstream music today. As it is being a topic for all modern music, including the underground and lesser-known material.

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

 

 

And as for mainstream music, the topic of this, is actually not just simply referring to mainstream music today. As it is being a topic for all modern music, including the underground and lesser-known material.

The topic is about modern music in general. It doesn't have to be just mainstream music or whatever is on the radio as of right now. 

[Xanatos 162]

People who complain about "today's music" are the same sort of dense nuisances that say movies are dead. The problem isn't the music or the movies. It's that they're refusing to look anywhere but at the crummy stuff.