technology Teleportation

[Evilshy 5,090]

Teleportation would go against reality itself; matter can't be created nor destroyed, and teleporting something would be technically taking apart that matter and removing it from the universe, then placing exact coordinates and replacing the matter there, otherwise it wouldn't be "true teleportation".

 

So yeah. I dunno if I just made sense or not.

 

 

Actually, that's a common misconception. Matter can be created and destroyed, but mass can't. Mass and energy are linked to each other, they can be converted into each other, and nothing is lost or gained. Matter itself is created and/or destroyed in this process. That's what E=mc^2 is about, the relationship between mass and energy.

[Tom 891]

Actually, that's a common misconception. Matter can be created and destroyed, but mass can't. Mass and energy are linked to each other, they can be converted into each other, and nothing is lost or gained. Matter itself is created and/or destroyed in this process. That's what E=mc^2 is about, the relationship between mass and energy.

 

This is correct. Mass and Energy are both conserved.

 

The problem right now is that the only ways to convert matter to energy effectively are:

• Nuclear reactions.
• Antimatter-matter annihilation.

And converting energy to matter is more elusive.

 

The only way that I know of is by utilizing black holes and hawking's radiation. But I don't think this helps in anyway.

Since hawking's radiation is simply when virtual particle pair becomes a single particle. This is achieved by one of the virtual particles being "captured" by the black hole leaving the other particle without anything to annihilate with. Therefore increasing the mass in the universe. Where the virtual particles come from?

 

[Evilshy 5,090]

This is correct. Mass and Energy are both conserved.

 

The problem right now is that the only ways to convert matter to energy effectively are:

• Nuclear reactions.
• Antimatter-matter annihilation.

And converting energy to matter is more elusive.

 

The only way that I know of is by utilizing black holes and hawking's radiation. But I don't think this helps in anyway.

Since hawking's radiation is simply when virtual particle pair becomes a single particle. This is achieved by one of the virtual particles being "captured" by the black hole leaving the other particle without anything to annihilate with. Therefore increasing the mass in the universe. Where the virtual particles come from?

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=t348e24vDyA

 

 

I wouldn't exactly call those "effective" ways to do it. Neither converts more than a few particles at a time, and as far as I know, neither are particularly controllable with any more than a few particles anyway, especially anti-matter.

 

Oh, and I agree with Medic on this one

Edited February 10, 2012 by Evilshy

[Tom 891]

I wouldn't exactly call those "effective" ways to do it. Neither converts more than a few particles at a time, and as far as I know, neither are particularly controllable with any more than a few particles anyway, especially anti-matter.

 

Yeah that's the problem, but right now they're the best ways I know of.

 

Just give it a few decades, science will do the work for us.

[Starlighty 931]

I wanna teleport!!! Then I could see all my friends and still be home for dinner

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

Sometime during the past couple years I was contemplating such technology.

Then it discovered something startling:

 

If you were to teleport yourself you'd be committing suicide.

And letting a clone of you live on somewhere else.

 

Trixie the Great may have made a grave mistake!

 

You would not know you are dead since time does not exist when you are unconscious and your consciousness would immediately resume unless the teleporter made a mistake. Of course, your atomic makeup and internal frequencies and electric mumbo jumbo would have to be very similar or else your consciousness may not transport with you, and you would infact end up dead.

Edited February 13, 2012 by glitterlicious

[Lady Rarity Pony 4,892]

I use teleportation all the time, it helps me keep up with Arylett while I'm stalking her.

 

[Evilshy 5,090]

 

Trixie the Great may have made a grave mistake!

 

You would not know you are dead since time does not exist when you are unconscious and your consciousness would immediately resume unless the teleporter made a mistake. Of course, your atomic makeup and internal frequencies and electric mumbo jumbo would have to be very similar or else your consciousness may not transport with you, and you would infact end up dead.

 

 

Time exists independently of anybody or anything. It is the fourth dimension of space/time. Everything we know of moves in a single direction through the fourth dimension, thus creating our perception of time as chronological.

 

Being unconscious only alters your perception of time (it seems to jump from when you fell asleep and when you woke up), not time itself.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Evilshy

[Eenohay 318]

 

 

 

 

As I said above, one way to teleport would mean this, but it's probably not the only way to do it. Also, did you ever see The Prestige?

 

 

Is that the one with the magician who had a cloning machine, and used it to "teleport himself" by suiciding and letting his clone live? I loved it.

 

Anyways, all we have to do is find a way to leave the third (spacial) dimension, then we could move around in the fourth dimension and such. Technically we wouldnt teleport, but it would seem like we were to other people, and we could go through walls and stuff

[Evilshy 5,090]

Is that the one with the magician who had a cloning machine, and used it to "teleport himself" by suiciding and letting his clone live? I loved it.

 

Anyways, all we have to do is find a way to leave the third (spacial) dimension, then we could move around in the fourth dimension and such. Technically we wouldnt teleport, but it would seem like we were to other people, and we could go through walls and stuff

 

 

 

Yes, thats the movie. awesome movie, and a lot better than you just described it XD

 

Anyway, thats probably not what moving freely in the 4th dimension would be like. Everybody has a sort of timeline in the fourth dimension, and we move along it at a (usually) steady rate. What's behind us never changes, what's ahead of us is constantly changing. Basically, if one could move freely in the 4th dimension, one could simply intend to go to a certain place, and then move to a position in their timeline when they are there. Since they intended to go there via moving through the 4th dimension at a greater-than-normal rate (which would take a considerably less amount of time), they would be in that place in their future timeline almost immediately in front of their current position in it. They would appear to teleport there, since at one position in the timeline, they are at point A, then a little further on, they are suddenly at point B.

 

I think I did a good job of explaining that. If I didn't, tell me and I can try again lol

Edited February 14, 2012 by Evilshy

[Pony Joe 583]

All currently proposed methods of teleportation have one flaw: They kill whoever does it.

 

Just think about it for a moment. It it physically impossible to stay alive while being separated into individual particles, and even if what steps out the other side is alive, it wouldn't be you. Then again, it would have all of your memories and personality, so nobody would know the difference. Except you. Because you'd be dead.

[Eenohay 318]

Yes, thats the movie. awesome movie, and a lot better than you just described it XD

 

Anyway, thats probably not what moving freely in the 4th dimension would be like. Everybody has a sort of timeline in the fourth dimension, and we move along it at a (usually) steady rate. What's behind us never changes, what's ahead of us is constantly changing. Basically, if one could move freely in the 4th dimension, one could simply intend to go to a certain place, and then move to a position in their timeline when they are there. Since they intended to go there via moving through the 4th dimension at a greater-than-normal rate (which would take a considerably less amount of time), they would be in that place in their future timeline almost immediately in front of their current position in it. They would appear to teleport there, since at one position in the timeline, they are at point A, then a little further on, they are suddenly at point B.

 

I think I did a good job of explaining that. If I didn't, tell me and I can try again lol

 

You think of time when I say fourth dimension. I mean fourth spacial (or spatial, I dunno the word) dimension. Its like if you are a 2D character drawn inside a box, and then you could move up and leave the sheet of paper in wich you are drawn and then come back at it at any other point

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

Time exists independently of anybody or anything. It is the fourth dimension of space/time. Everything we know of moves in a single direction through the fourth dimension, thus creating our perception of time as chronological.

 

Being unconscious only alters your perception of time (it seems to jump from when you fell asleep and when you woke up), not time itself.

 

I know duh. I didn't feel that needed to be said!

 

no it still would be you cuz time would freeze and if you were reassembled right your consciousness wouldn't know the difference

Edited February 16, 2012 by glitterlicious

[Evilshy 5,090]

 

 

You think of time when I say fourth dimension. I mean fourth spacial (or spatial, I dunno the word) dimension. Its like if you are a 2D character drawn inside a box, and then you could move up and leave the sheet of paper in wich you are drawn and then come back at it at any other point

 

There is no fourth spacial dimension, though. Time IS the fourth dimension. But functionally, it works like you are saying, leaving the 3 dimensions we can observe, traveling through a higher dimension, and coming back at some other point in them.

[Tom 891]

There is no fourth spacial dimension, though. Time IS the fourth dimension. But functionally, it works like you are saying, leaving the 3 dimensions we can observe, traveling through a higher dimension, and coming back at some other point in them.

 

Not true, the M thoery suggests that there are 11 spacial dimensions before an object becomes unstable, collapsing down into 11 dimensions.

 

Moving through more dimensions may not let us teleport though.

Take for example Eenohay's description of the 2D character:

He suggests that a 2D person in a 2D universe moving through a third dimension could reach another point in his/her universe quicker than simply walking across the 2D plane.

But think about it, the quickest way between two corners of a square is a straight two dimensional line, moving through a third dimension would mean a longer distance.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Trixie the Great

[Evilshy 5,090]

Not true, the M thoery suggests that there are 11 spacial dimensions before an object becomes unstable, collapsing down into 11 dimensions.

 

Moving through more dimensions may not let us teleport though.

Take for example Eenohay's description of the 2D character:

He suggests that a 2D person in a 2D universe moving through a third dimension could reach another point in his/her universe quicker than simply walking across the 2D plane.

But think about it, the quickest way between two corners of a square is a straight two dimensional line, moving through a third dimension would mean a longer distance.

 

 

I'm pretty sure M theory accepts time as the fourth dimension; space and time are linked anyway in what we call space-time. I think we're both right, but are just saying things in different ways :/

 

Also, I don't think teleportation has to be faster than the normal way, it just has to be a way to get from point A to point B without physically traveling between them, at least not observably. Also, it depends on how quickly one could move through a higher dimension; a straight line is shorter than a curvy line, but if an object traveling along the curvy line is sufficiently faster, it'll get there first. And since the fourth dimension is time, and I sort of explained how it could work in one of my earlier posts (your "timeline" thing in the fourth dimension that is constantly changing based on your intentions and other factors) the travel would be near instant anyway.

 

Let's say I intended to save up money for a year and then fly to Japan. If I could move freely in the fourth dimension, I could simply move through the fourth dimension to when I'm already there, a year ahead of now. Let's say it takes a minute to travel this distance in the fourh dimension. However, since I intend to travel there this way, thus reducing the time required from a year to a minute, the distance is much shorter, and it would no longer take a minute to travel it. Repeat until you no longer feel like calculating such incredibly small numbers. It wouldn't be instant, but it'd be damn near close.

 

Of course, I am by no means a theoretical physicist and don't really know any of this XD this is just how I see it working.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

Not true, the M thoery suggests that there are 11 spacial dimensions before an object becomes unstable, collapsing down into 11 dimensions.

 

Moving through more dimensions may not let us teleport though.

Take for example Eenohay's description of the 2D character:

He suggests that a 2D person in a 2D universe moving through a third dimension could reach another point in his/her universe quicker than simply walking across the 2D plane.

But think about it, the quickest way between two corners of a square is a straight two dimensional line, moving through a third dimension would mean a longer distance.

 

not if the paper is curved

[Tom 891]

We can't move through time like we do the other three dimensions, and even if we could it's one way only so we can't go back in time.

 

It is possible to move forward in time however, but that won't help with teleportation.

 

 

not if the paper is curved

 

This is the exception, but without wormholes curved spatial dimensions would only allow us to teleport form one edge of the universe to the polar edge.

 

And so far there is no proof of wormholes.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Trixie the Great

[Evilshy 5,090]

We can't move through time like we do the other three dimensions, and even if we could it's one way only so we can't go back in time.

 

It is possible to move forward in time however, but that won't help with teleportation.

 

 

That's why I keep saying IF we could move freely in 4 dimensions

And I never said anything about moving back in time. What I mean by "freely" is that we could observe time and change the rate at which we go through it, as well as the general direction. Nobody would have to go "back in time", only forward.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Evilshy