Queen Chrysalis: Redeemed or not?

[Mywas 687]

Okay so We had Nightmare Moon, Discord and recently sunset redeemed. The only ones that are left are King Sombra who is dead and even if he returns he seems too evil to even talk to. And thats leaves Queen Chrysalis. She is still out there and for some reason alot of people in this fandom thinks she is a woobie. so my question of the day is should Queen Chrysalis be redeemed? Personaly hell no, I would lose all intrest in her if they did, She is Basicly a Leader of an Entire race that Rape(Sorry if too nsfw) To survive. And she most likely did that To shining Armor, Unless you think its okay as Long as its Female on Male she is a horrible pony.

[Planty 1,053]

I have a feeling she will be returning at some point. I don't feel like they will redeem her though, I think she is well to far gone for that and the show needs to maintain SOME villains. A part of me is happy they made discord nice, but at the same time I know that he will never be as I see, "at his best" within the show (although they may come up with a great way to add him in).

[Dzastur 1,719]

I agree with you: no redemption for Chrysalis. (She might have a "hint at redemption" moment before fully reverting back and making all hell break loose, but that's as close as I'd ever like to see her come to it.)

 

I want her to get even more evil in the future - maybe by exploiting a main character's heartache? Example: Spike's unrequited love for Rarity gets the best of him, and Chrysalis offers a solution in the form of "taking" it from him, thus leaving him emotionally empty (and thus no longer in emotional pain). Whatever the future holds for her, I'm hoping the last defeat she suffered makes her increasingly vindictive and hungry for revenge - like a proper villain.

[dekutree64 713]

I'd rather she remain evil. The most likely case of redemption I can think of is that changelings learn to give love as well as receive it. But if that were possible, then there needs to be a logical explanation of how they ever came to the conclusion that they had to steal love to survive in the first place.

 

I ran across this picture on DeviantArt the other day http://ciscoql.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-would-never-hurt-me-Princess-Celestia-382539823

Pretty much the perfect return scenario, IMO. Or as I wrote in the comments there, the other way around (Chrysalis taking Celestia's form and feeding off Twilight) would be great too.

 

I'm not sure if I'd want to see her return more than once, though. I suppose after returning for revenge and getting defeated again, she could honestly try to stay away, and only return a third time on the verge of starving to death, to beg for help. But I'm not sure how that could be dealt with in a positive and sustainable way, unless it does turn out changelings can survive without hurting others after all, in which case you're back to the original question of why did they think they couldn't?

 

Or Hasbro could buy the rights to Fluffle Puff, who just loves Chryssi so much that they can live happily ever after together

 

But that still leaves the rest of the changeling species to suffer.

[Magic Man 222]

For Chrysalis? I doubt it. For Changelings as a whole? Not necessarily a redemption, but rather an episode to show that not all of them are automatically evil.

 

But getting back to Chrysalis, again, I think we've had enough villains being redeemed in the show. I'm afraid there do exist people who cross THAT line and she easily fits that bill. The said, I would like her to be given DEPTH. Give her a backstory, motivation, complexity, all what made he what she is, instead of "oh, she's just evil, just because". That is what made KFP2's Lord Shen such a great villain. If MLP can do that with Chrysalis, then we'd have a great villain who we'd love to see return.

[hawkflame 3,310]

No.  No, no, no.  Redeeming villains takes the bite out of their character.  I am not a fan of it with Discord, and I am *definitely* not a fan of it with Chrysalis. 

 

But with Chrysalis, it would be even worse.  Whereas Discord had enough personality independent of his villainous side to make it work for some fans (not me, obviously) this is not the case with Chrysalis.  With her, her charisma is deeply rooted in her status as a villain.  Unlike Discord, who's a bit more of a chaotic evil trickster, she's more based in the style of the classic Disney fairy tale antagonists a la the Queen from Snow White, Ursula, or Maleficent.  These characters are iconically evil, threats in a rather black and white moral world, and redemption doesn't really fit with them at all. 

[Dzastur 1,719]

Unlike Discord, who's a bit more of a chaotic evil trickster, she's more based in the style of the classic Disney fairy tale antagonists a la the Queen from Snow White, Ursula, or Maleficent.  These characters are iconically evil, threats in a rather black and white moral world, and redemption doesn't really fit with them at all. 

 

^^^This.

 

I haven't decided which Disney antagonist she most closely resembles, but I like the idea of her personality being comprised of several, both old (Snow White's evil queen) and newer (Mother Gothel from Tangled). 

 

Also, I forget which Disney baddie rode a bicycle. But that one, too.

 

[Winona the Dog 1,984]

I think really the ponies should make some sort of deal with the changelings. This isn't necessarily limited to Queen Chrysalis herself but mainly to any stray changelings that don't agree with her and her leadership.

 

I think Chrysalis really just wants to feed her subjects but in order to do so she needs the ponies but  to them the changelings are parasitic monsters and as such, wouldn't  allow them to roam freely around to do so,  so Chrysalis has to do it  the old fashion way and get food for her subjects forcefully. (Kind of a crap alibi for Chrysalis but meh)

 

There's a greater chance for other changelings to be 'redeemed' though as to show that not all changelings are monsters. 

[Ion 279]

Chrysalis is more a villain that does what she does because its in her nature. Changelings aren't depicted in the show (Or comics) as being creatures that are inherently good, like ponies. As such being deceptive and taking ponies places to leech the love they receive is something they do out of nature and instinct.

 

Some may argue that Discord was "evil" and was "redeemed", but he was never truly evil to begin with and he is more of a trickster than a tyrannical queen bent on domination of Equestria like Chrysalis is shown to be. Still, his whole redemption thing is very sketchy and he seemingly gives up his old ways way too easily and chances are he's not really on the side of good (Its fun to play all the sides to him).

Edited July 7, 2013 by Ion

[DarligPegasi 315]

Dude no way! Queen Chrysalis is hardcore and evil and that's the way I want her to stay! Of course in the Fluffle Puff series, I like how she's been reformed, but I don't want it canon!

[SBaby 660]

Pretty much the only way they could 'redeem' her, as you call it, is if they found a way for her race to sustain themselves, without having to feed off others.  Say what you want about the Changelings.  We don't know enough about them to know if this is possible or not.

Edited July 8, 2013 by SBaby

[pinkiefan1287 610]

I think we should keep Chrysalis evil. For one, we don't need anymore episodes that revolve around a character being redeemed all the time. Besides it would be odd she just got redeemed seeing as she and her army wiped out who knows how many others in the world for food.

 

As for the Changelings, that hard one to make a call on. To what we know they do indeed eat love and that involves killing the other creator. So if one came back it would most likely still eat the love energy of that creator. So I don't think they can be redeemed because this is a natural thing they do. If we find another out about another food they eat then maybe, but keep them just wild beast.

[Scootalove 10,689]

I don't think that Queen Chrysalis needs to be redeemed since, there is no reason to redeem her at all. She will return at some point in the show while, the comics are a different story when it comes to her story arc. So, we keep her the way she is.

[ReGen 1,466]

Why don't we reform everyone!?

 

You get reformed!

 

You get redeemed!

 

EVERYONE GAINS SALVATION, HALLELUJAH!

 

 

 

Yeah, no. Chrysalis has no reason to, so why should she?

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

I've said it before and I still agree with a lot o people. Chrysalis doesn't need a redemption. She needs an embassy in Canterlot.

All her plan  was downright stupid when you think that she should have just approached Celestia and explained the problem.

[Viking 61]

She really isn't that evil though. If anything she is a better queen then Celestia could be considered. She was willing to put herself into the capital of a hostile kingdom to harvest food for her people. Hell if she was given the chance to sit down without being attacked I bet she would be pretty civil. If she is even still around, without anything to keep her and the other changelings alive whose to say that they all haven't starved to death by now, if anything that would make the normal ponies the bad guys. You kind of have to feel bad for her, leading a civilization of creatures who need love from other species to survive when every other living thing in the world hates you.

[DaReaper 1,945]

God i hope not the show needs one truly bad villian and with sombra "dead" shes the canadate, my idea sees her finding sombra's horn and reincarnating him and evil insues

[MidnightBlue 51]

She doesn't deserve redemption, but she doesn't need to be cast out from society either. I am still fairly unhappy with Discord being reformed, so I've got a little headcanon going. Basically, Discord split into two personalities when he was reformed, and his evil half is voiced by Ron Perlman. Hasbro, do it please.

[Toaster Bot 183]

Considering that Changelings will die if they don't feed off love, which has been demonstrated in both the show and the comics in terrifying ways (basically leaves you an emotionless husk until restored, and it seems like it takes a powerful force to do that much) means that Changelings can never be redeemed, they are forced to be destructive.

[Twi Rubix 726]

I don't think so. I can probably see the reasoning for Discord since he was a "free spirit" of sorts, and he just wanted to have fun in his own way, which was making Equestria topsy-turvy. So Discord wasn't exactly evil to begin with. Chrysalis on the other hand, is. Changelings need to live by feeding off the love of other ponies, so even if she was good, it wouldn't even work. I'm thinking it'd be wrong for Chrysalis to be good anyway, I just cannot see it working in any way.

[Zygen 6,066]

No I don't think she can be redeemed, because shes not exactly the same type of evil, she does evil things because she is searching for food for her colony, this also means she can't simply stop these acts. Does it make them righteous? not exactly.

 

Regardless the fact she is a parasite basically who feeds off love means she will never be welcomed among the ponies.

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

 

Nightmare Moon was created to be be redeemed, Trixie wasn't so much redeemed as just humbled (again), and Discord is probably still himself. They're just trying make him even more like Q, who was a kinda-sorta-ally-but-still-a-huge-jackass in the later seasons of The Next Generation.

 

Not only does it not make sense for Sombra and Chrysalis to be redeemed (too actively evil), but in Chrysalis's case, it wouldn't be nearly as cool. She's just a really fun, Disney-esque villain who's entire fanbase is based on her design and how joyfully evil she is.

 

I'm up for adding depth or making her slightly sympathetic in some regard, but otherwise, keep her superbad.

[Megas 27,921]

Not in a million years.

 

Not all characters can work with a redemption. Redeeming Chrysalis would be like redeeming King Sombra, which would probably be equally as dumb

[Dark Horn 430]

Nightmare Moon is Celestia's sister, and Discord was never truly evil in the first place, just misguided. Discord is the Master of Chaos, not the Master of Darkness. Chrysalis, on the other hand, if she ever makes another appearance, will likely (and hopefully never will be) reformed.

 

Also, you forgot to mention Trixie, who was also reformed.

[Sickman 205]

An exceptionally well-written, philosophical character once said; "Redemption is a form of spiritual collapse", and I kind of agree with that notion. (Thanks, Kreia)

To "redeem" oneself, is to conform to other people's opinions and pressure.
I'd rather see characters that have been established to be evil from the beginning stay evil.
Redemption stories rarely work for me, because most of them come across as very contrived.

Edited July 8, 2013 by Sickman