Does anyone hate misanthropic fan fictions?

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

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Maybe the problem is with me. I can't see what is so great about being human and my notion of self is more tied to memories than to feelings. Well...

Yay for agreeing to disagreeing.

[Hive King 2,001]

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If you think like that, you should be fine with ponification. The ponies have the same memories, just different personalities and feelings. As for being human, well, humans don't live under and absolute diarchy nor do they live in a world where gods of chaos could just pop up and kill you randomly

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

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If you think like that, you should be fine with ponification. The ponies have the same memories, just different personalities and feelings. As for being human, well, humans don't live under and absolute diarchy nor do they live in a world where gods of chaos could just pop up and kill you randomly

I'm just going to stop before this turns into an Earth vs. Equestria argument and I start sounding like a raving zealot out of the Ministry of Morale defending the princesses. 

[Castle Bleck 19,330]

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Maybe the problem is with me. I can't see what is so great about being human and my notion of self is more tied to memories than to feelings. Well...

Yay for agreeing to disagreeing.

 

Only reason I'd transform is if being a pony would benefit me better than being a human. Speciesism? No. Pragmatism? Yes.

[Hypn0ticD 1,213]

Everyone here pretty much listed what I find so annoying in misanthropic stories! More often than not, the writers are myopic, pessimistic, cynical hatemongers who'll go out of their way to demonize humanity, and go even further to make Ponies look like an angelic race of Mary Sues…

 

Chatoyance's stories take the cake in this department!

[Derpius 138]

I've read several of Chatoyance's uber-misanthropic TCB fics just for the hell of it, and I don't know whether to cringe, facepalm, or outright scream in disgust. The Big Respawn and Ten Minutes:Aftermath are by far the worst, IMHO.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Derpius

[Bendy 1,821]

I've read several of Chatoyance's uber-misanthropic TCB fics just for the hell of it, and I don't know whether to cringe, facepalm, or outright scream in disgust. The Big Respawn and Ten Minutes:Aftermath are by far the worst, IMHO.

 

Were they in short about killing all humans is 'good' and 'ponies are superior', therefore they can morally justify turning all humans into ponies and making humanity go extinct?

 

I don't know about you, but that sounds like the Borg from Star Trek.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Rush

[Derpius 138]

Were they in short about killing all humans is 'good' and 'ponies are superior', therefore they can morally justify turning all humans into ponies and making humanity go extinct?

 

I don't know about you, but that sounds like the Borg from Star Trek.

And not just that. She relentlessly stereotypes people as savage, irrational, soulless monsters and claims that its an accurate portrayal of mankind. Ive actually gotten into a pleasant discussion with Chatty on that matter, which ended with me being blocked from her fimfiction page for "trolling".

 

Also, she thinks season 2 is non canon because it dares to imply that ponies can be mean to each other too, and that her twisted headcanon Equestria is closer to Faust's " original vision" of the show.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Derpius

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

I especially hate it when the Princesses are depicted as all-powerful benevolent perfect gods. Especially in matters of magic potential... 

[Bendy 1,821]

And not just that. She relentlessly stereotypes people as savage, irrational, soulless monsters and claims that its an accurate portrayal of mankind. Ive actually gotten into a pleasant discussion with Chatty on that matter, which ended with me being blocked from her fimfiction page for "trolling".

 

 

Even if that were the case, I doubt humans are the only species that behave like that. So, if you could kill all humans, you might as well kill everyone else that isn't pony. Because they aren't 'perfect'.

 

But it isn't like that, manly humans want to do the 'right thing' and dislike evil people. And cry out for justice to what bad people have done.  

 

How have we survived so long, if every human was a soulless monster?

 

 

Also, she thinks season 2 is non canon because it dares to imply that ponies can be mean to each other too, and that her twisted headcanon Equestria is closer to Faust's " original vision" of the show.

 

They are more like the Reapers from Mass Effect.

 

Reapers convert other lifeforms (by force) into them because they think they are superior. TCB Ponies convert (by force) other lifeforms into them because they think they are superior. Not only that but both tend to strip the person of their personality and basically make them a near mindless slave.

 

In short, the TCB Ponies are basically evil and would horrify the canon ponies so much that they would declare war on them to save us from their nasty TCB counterparts.

 

Also even among the canon ponies not everypony is a nice pony. Also when Luna became Nightmare Moon, she wanted block out the sun, thus basically wipe (no sun, can't grow food, and everyone freezes to death, the end.) out all life on the planet, just because she was jealous.

 

Also; Discord, Tirek, King Sombra. They weren't very nice were they?

Edited June 29, 2014 by Rush

[Zekromic 1,054]

No, I don't like them, but there's no point in doing campaigns in trying to ban them, because first, people has the right to express all kinds of works. Second, You'll look like a douchebag. Just ignore them, and let the other guys enjoy them 

[Deathstroke 1,564]

I haven't red anything bad yet

[Derpius 138]

I actually got around to commenting on one TCB fic, and gave the author, Chatoyance my two cents worth. She called me a serial killer when I mentioned that the ponification potion was basically mind rape. These are a few snippets from her response:

No, I don't like them, but there's no point in doing campaigns in trying to ban them, because first, people has the right to express all kinds of works. Second, You'll look like a douchebag. Just ignore them, and let the other guys enjoy them

 

You're right. There's no point in trying to police the fanbase. I tried to do that for a while last year, and it didn't work out very well for me . It's best to just leave the nutjobs alone.

[Ryzu 984]

Honestly I don't care. It's a fanfic made for you to read and enjoy it. Why criticize it?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

The first motivator for me to write my own Conversion Bureau was because I was tired of reading ones that were banging me over the head about how evil I was. New motivations came, such as genuine passion and a pursuit of an artistic vision. But yes, originally it was a reactionary feeling.

 

I would not say I "hate" them in the true sense of the word, because I think that's kind of their point. I take the religious route of "love the sinner, hate the sin." I don't hate people who are self-described misanthropes, but I can certainly despise the meme itself and consider it vile, poisonous, and self-fulfilling.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Outside of these forums, I am something of a misanthrope lol.  The day the human race stops giving me cause to be one is the day I will retire my misanthropy.  This doesn't mean that there aren't a select few human individuals that I genuinely love; there are, um...  Maybe four of them? xD  Certainly I admire some people that I don't personally know - and likely never will.  Maybe more for their talents than for who they are as people.  And I generally don't read any MLP fanfics.  I might've read, like, one, but it didn't involve any human visitors.  I don't imagine myself reading one that portrays all humans as wicked, irredeemable beasts and giving much of a darn.  Why should I be offended??  The Vulcans could land tomorrow to drop some Vulcan logic on us Earth-dwellers; they could even be all smug and condescending.  "Humans are illogical.  Humans are wasteful and antagonistic.  Humans lack attractive pointy-ears."  And I'd be like, "Uhhh...  Yup.  Yup.  And huh?"  I'd advise anyone who isn't fond of overtly misanthropic views to...  Not...  Read fanfics like that. xD

[Bendy 1,821]

The first motivator for me to write my own Conversion Bureau was because I was tired of reading ones that were banging me over the head about how evil I was. New motivations came, such as genuine passion and a pursuit of an artistic vision. But yes, originally it was a reactionary feeling.

 

I would not say I "hate" them in the true sense of the word, because I think that's kind of their point. I take the religious route of "love the sinner, hate the sin." I don't hate people who are self-described misanthropes, but I can certainly despise the meme itself and consider it vile, poisonous, and self-fulfilling.

 

I'm looking forward to your story. I'm glad to know it doesn't end with humanity going extinct.

 

Any Pro Conversion story makes me hate the ponies with a burning passion and I want them to die and humanity teach them a lesson. But not kill them all, if the ponies aren't all hivemind drones.

 

What would you say the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40K would think of The Conversion Bureau Ponies? You think they would declare exterminatus on the ponies for what they done to humanity?

 

 

 

No, I don't like them, but there's no point in doing campaigns in trying to ban them, because first, people has the right to express all kinds of works. Second, You'll look like a douchebag. Just ignore them, and let the other guys enjoy them 

 

Never once did I say that I wanted them banned. In fact, due to these stories they inspired many stories that I like counting the misanthropy.

 

 

I actually got around to commenting on one TCB fic, and gave the author, Chatoyance my two cents worth. She called me a serial killer when I mentioned that the ponification potion was basically mind rape. These are a few snippets from her response:

 

You're right. There's no point in trying to police the fanbase. I tried to do that for a while last year, and it didn't work out very well for me . It's best to just leave the nutjobs alone.

 

And yet using this logic the ponies would have enslave the minds of every non pony sapient minded species to ensure 'perfection'.

 

TCB Pony: We are the Harbinger of your perfection.

 

Sounds familiar to the nasty giant cuttlefish machines from a certain science fiction genre.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Rush

[Mand'alor Dash 2,224]

I've read several of Chatoyance's uber-misanthropic TCB fics just for the hell of it, and I don't know whether to cringe, facepalm, or outright scream in disgust. The Big Respawn and Ten Minutes:Aftermath are by far the worst, IMHO.

I just recently found out about Chatoyance, and now I understand why the TCB Decons are so over-the-top and mean-spirited. I'll admit, I seriously underestimated how horrible pro-TCB fics were. The original was just silly wish fulfillment with unfortunate implications, but I had no idea that the sidefics were anything like what they were.

[Bendy 1,821]

Outside of these forums, I am something of a misanthrope lol.  The day the human race stops giving me cause to be one is the day I will retire my misanthropy.  This doesn't mean that there aren't a select few human individuals that I genuinely love; there are, um...  Maybe four of them? xD  Certainly I admire some people that I don't personally know - and likely never will.  Maybe more for their talents than for who they are as people.  And I generally don't read any MLP fanfics.  I might've read, like, one, but it didn't involve any human visitors.  I don't imagine myself reading one that portrays all humans as wicked, irredeemable beasts and giving much of a darn.  Why should I be offended??  The Vulcans could land tomorrow to drop some Vulcan logic on us Earth-dwellers; they could even be all smug and condescending.  "Humans are illogical.  Humans are wasteful and antagonistic.  Humans lack attractive pointy-ears."  And I'd be like, "Uhhh...  Yup.  Yup.  And huh?"  I'd advise anyone who isn't fond of overtly misanthropic views to...  Not...  Read fanfics like that. xD

 

So would you become a pony? If they came to us like the Reapers from Mass Effect?

 

As for the Vulcans, that just makes them elitist bullies that have nothing better to do than harass weaker, undeveloped, species than them. Why? Because they are bored most likely. 

 

It be funny to see their ego shatter when something like Reapers from Mass Effect comes knocking and they see irony of the situation.

I just recently found out about Chatoyance, and now I understand why the TCB Decons are so over-the-top and mean-spirited. I'll admit, I seriously underestimated how horrible pro-TCB fics were. The original was just silly wish fulfillment with unfortunate implications, but I had no idea that the sidefics were anything like what they were.

 

That part of reason there's so many ATCB stories, (Anti Conversion Bureau) which are Pro Human and Anti Pony Conversion. 

Edited June 30, 2014 by Rush

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

So would you become a pony? If they came to us like the Reapers from Mass Effect?

 

As for the Vulcans, that just makes them bullies that have nothing better to do than harass weaker species than them. Why? Because they are bored most likely. 

 

It be funny to see their ego shatter when something like Reapers from Mass Effect comes knocking and see irony of the situation.

Well in the context of canon, the Vulcans weren't bullies, per se.  Pointing out someone's faults doesn't necessarily make one a "bully."  I think their intention was actually to benefit mankind (or keep them from doing crazy human things throughout space - Kirk totally screwed that up in the most wonderful way, though), even if their nature - rooted in logic and self-control - came off as somewhat condescending to humans.  I don't think I portrayed them accurately; I just like throwing around the word "Vulcans."  Much like you seem to enjoy using the term / reference "Reapers." xD

 

And I haven't played the Mass Effect games, so I'm not truly famiiar with said "Reapers."  Become a pony, though?  Idunno.  What are the consequences of NOT becoming a pony in this scenario?  Would they turn me into human mulch?  What are the benefits of turning pony??  I imagine it'd be really tricky to learn to write with my mouth, though.

[Bendy 1,821]

Well in the context of canon, the Vulcans weren't bullies, per se.  Pointing out someone's faults doesn't necessarily make one a "bully."  I think their intention was actually to benefit mankind (or keep them from doing crazy human things throughout space - Kirk totally screwed that up in the most wonderful way, though), even if their nature - rooted in logic and self-control - came off as somewhat condescending to humans.  I don't think I portrayed them accurately; I just like throwing around the word "Vulcans."  

 

I wouldn't mind 'as much' if they've come to just guide humanity I guess. 

 

 

And I haven't played the Mass Effect games, so I'm not truly famiiar with said "Reapers."  

 

The Reapers are an immortal (can still be killed) race of alien machines that go around exterminating all galactic sapient life in the Milk Way Galaxy every fifty thousand years on average. Between each cycle of mass galactic genocide they hibernate and hide away in beyond the galactic's horizon, and cover try remove any evidence of their existence.

 

Talking with a Reaper.

 

 

 

 

 

Become a pony, though?  Idunno.  What are the consequences of NOT becoming a pony in this scenario?

 

In Anti TCB first your mind would be enslaved, your IQ would be extremely low and would worship the people that are out to destroy your species. So stupid in fact that you are willing to run straight at a machine gun to try convert more humans into ponies with a potion bomb. And would even pour the potion down a struggling child's throat and attack a birthing ward to convert human babies. Any would be compelled to kill and torture any pony that sided with humanity.

 

 

In Pro TCB stories, your IQ would be extremely low and you are basically a slave with the mind set of a teletubby and would gladly watch your species go extinct. Though you tend to run less into machine guns. And wouldn't care in the slightest about hearing ponies murdering children that are somehow immune to the potion. Nor would you care that Princess Celestia is basically Hitler.

Edited July 6, 2014 by Rush

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

The Reapers are an immortal (can still be killed) race of alien machines that go around exterminating all galactic sapient life in the Milk Way Galaxy every fifty thousand years on average. Between each cycle of mass galactic genocide they hibernate and hide away in beyond the galactic's horizon, and cover try remove any evidence of their existence.

 

Talking with a Reaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Anti TCB first your mind would be enslaved, your IQ would be extremely low and would worship the people that are out to destroy your species. So much stupid in fact that you willing to run straight a machine gun to try convert more humans into ponies with a potion bomb. And would even pour the potion down a struggling child's throat and attack a birthing ward to convert human babies. Any would be compelled to kill and torture any pony that sided with humanity.

 

 

In Pro TCB stories, your IQ would be extremely low and you are basically a slave with the mind set of a teletubby and would gladly watch your species go extinct. Though you tend to run less into machine guns. And wouldn't care in the slightest about hearing ponies murdering children that are somehow immune to the potion. Nor would you care that Princess Celestia is basically Hitler.

Those both sound pretty not good.  Okay now I'm just curious as to why you would assume the ponies of MLP:FIM would behave like the Reapers were they to interact with our species lol.  Or why you would push this scenario.  And Celestia is nothing like Hitler - she hasn't got the little mustache.  I doubt she knows much German.

[Bendy 1,821]

Those both sound pretty not good.  Okay now I'm just curious as to why you would assume the ponies of MLP:FIM would behave like the Reapers were they to interact with our species lol.  Or why you would push this scenario.  And Celestia is nothing like Hitler - she hasn't got the little mustache.  I doubt she knows much German.

 

They are not 'canon' ponies. I don't assume the canon ponies would ever try completely exterminate our species, surely defend themselves if we attack them, but show mercy when we surrender at the point humanity is on our knees begging for peace.

 

However, The Conversion Bureau Ponies there is no compromise, either convert into a pony or die. 

  

Canon Celestia is not like Hitler, however TCB Celestia often is. TCB Celestia uses invincibility cheat by magic barrier, so no Human can kill her. Creates unstoppable wall of death on Earth known as the barrier to ensure the total extinction of humanity. And believes the total annihilation of the human race is morally justifiable because she believes all humans are evil and do not have the right to exist. So she turns all humans into ponies and make them worship her like a god.  Yet, she's portrayed as the 'good' person in Pro TCB, and humans that fight back for their survival of their species are portrayed as evil for wanting to keep their humanity and not be slaves that worship her.

 

 

Only in such gems like TCB Grey Scale fan fiction she isn't basically Harbinger (Reaper) from Mass Effect. Or stories where the canon ponies meet their nasty alter egos from TCB, which are ATCB and canon ponies come to humanity's aid against the TCB Ponies.

 

TCB Celestia in a nutshell: I'm going to 'save' your species, by committing planetary genocide, by turning all humanity into ponies, which is a good thing. And there's nothing you can do to stop me, OK?

 

TCB is rather scary to me, because using TCB logic the ponies would have to go on a grand crusade to exterminate all non 'perfect' non pony sapient minded species to ensure 'perfection'.

 

I ask, if the ponies could do that, are they still the good guys anymore?

Edited July 6, 2014 by Rush

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

They not 'canon' ponies. I don't assume the canon ponies would ever try completely exterminate our species, surely defend themselves if we attack them, but show mercy when we surrender at the point humanity is on our knees begging for peace.

 

*Lots more stuff.*

 

I ask, if the ponies could do that, are they still the good guys anymore?

Wow lol.  Nope.  The non-canon ponies, as you described them, would be massive d-bags.  Humans would still be as d-baggy as ever they were, but the ponies would decidedly be in the wrong and have successfully out d-bagged us d-bags.  Apply those terrifying qualities to any fictional race, pit them against more-or-less true-to-life humans, and the other, genocidal-happy race will drip with moral wrongness.  Obviously I was largely ignorant of / didn't fully grasp precisely in what direction these fanfics took things.  Geez. xD  You've enlightened me.  I change my vote to: I will avoid any such stories like the plague.

[Bendy 1,821]

Wow lol.  Nope.  The non-canon ponies, as you described them, would be massive d-bags.  Humans would still be as d-baggy as ever they were, but the ponies would decidedly be in the wrong and have successfully out d-bagged us d-bags.  Apply those terrifying qualities to any fictional race, pit them against more-or-less true-to-life humans, and the other, genocidal-happy race will drip with moral wrongness.  Obviously I was largely ignorant of / didn't fully grasp precisely in what direction these fanfics took things.  Geez. xD  You've enlightened me.  I change my vote to: I will avoid any such stories like the plague.

 

Well, not all TCB is like that. In some stories there is no as Bender would say 'kill all humans'.

 

I know you said you don't want to read these fan fictions, however there is a fan fiction called 'The Conversion Bureau: A Dangerous Precedent', in which the irony is delicious when the TCB Ponies meet the Reapers from Mass Effect.