Krosp I

I suppose this is the part where I stand up from the little support circle, clear my throat awkwardly and say "Hi, my name is Krosp and I'm a Brony Hater." I don't expect very many "Hi Krosp!"s back. I've started disliking Bronies a little after Bronycon 2012. (For the record it was Bronycon—not BroNYcon.) I have wildly different ideas what it is to be a Brony than, well, the rest of the forum. I believe Bronies to be a separate entity of like-minded individuals forming a group that can be joined or left at one's on volition and furthermore, I don't believe that one is automatically a Brony for watching the series. Naturally, this attracts the seething ire of the population of this board. Which also makes me ever so happy to answer any questions you might have of someone who watches the show and whose loathing of the fandom ebbs and flows with EqD postings. Cheers!

I really only have two issues with the series itself. One of them involves character flanderization and the need to revisit the same character-specific flaws over and over again. I've lost track of how many times Rainbow Dash needed to be taught not to let her ego get the better of her or that Fluttershy needed to be more assertive. Don't even get me started on how Pinkie Pie devolved from someone who had winkwink, nudgenudge audience participation fun to "HA HA HA! I'M RANDOM. ISN'T THAT SO FUCKING FUNNY?" I partially chalk that up to it seeming like a half-hour slot being too short to get a good story off, but an hour seems much too long and the fact the show's target demographic being children. My other issue with the series is that it does a terrible job at reminding people that its main demographic is children. This leads people getting pretty indignant when their high expectations aren't fulfilled.

@@Scoots and Dash, I'm not saying that I'm not a cold-hearted prick who loves rolling around in jerkish glee around in these forums. But I am saying that I laughed at that, Scoots. I laughed good.

@ Dat Kathleen Barr. Aw yiss. I kind of wish she would have pulled a Kevin. Dooooooorks!

This sentiment really sums it up for me. With girls the issue is really only maturity and that gets kind of deflated when you introduce other cartoons into the argument. With the guys... We have a tendency to be... Really loud.

This is very much a sentiment I believe needs to spread. It really seems like one of our largest problems, especially when it deals with the negativity that's within and without the fandom stems from the inability to actually deal with criticism, genuine or inflammatory. To bastardize a concept fronted by Bruce Lee, we really need to learn to be like water. Not the gasoline that reacts from the smallest spark.

@@Scootalove Your best bet is really look for multilanguage compilations. The easiest ones I've found seem to be Japanese, Mexican, and Polish, at least on the English side of the internet. But I haven't been looking for all too long. It was only about a week ago that I ran across the Polish Pinkie Pie and needed moar.

I saw the song itself, but not the episode yet. I'll admit I rely a lot on a specific Dailymotion user to provide me with the translation of the Japanese dub. Scarily enough, I'm simply "okay" with Smile! even though it's quite good. The German dub is actually pretty good, also, if a little... German. It's honestly the best way I can explain it. I guess it comes with heritage and being stuck with the classes in high school. The Russian version has such a disparity between the talking and singing voices. Rarity in particular stands out.

Instead of making my first 40 posts negative, I've decided to whip up something in the fandom that actually does interest me. It's well known that Friendship is Magic is actually pretty well received in other countries, and with a warm welcome comes transliterations! I have a personal few favorite of my own, but I think I'll share first the dub that sparked the whole thought for me. Middling audio, unable to understand a word, and I seriously love the voice actress for Pinkie. You have no idea. Let's be reasonable, there are better sounding voices, but I don't think many can match her enthusiasm, especially in waves of cut and paste translations where voice artists can't grasp the nuances of foreign characters, or simply just don't try. But, like the filthy little weeabbo I am, I'll have to say that the Japanese dub does it for me. At first, I was a solid fan of Find a Pet: Version with subtitles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x179ee7_find-a-pet-song-japanese_music I'll admit that I got a little too much excitement at their choice of making Rainbow Dash use a normally masculine, somewhat hot-blooded form of I. But more importantly, who can honestly resist how chummy these two are? Srsly. Unfortunately, this was overthrown by the recent reveal of Flim and Flam. I cannot stress how gleeful their portrayal in the dub makes me. Right off the bat, two salesponies are using familiar language with customers. Using -da instead of a more polite/humble copula like -desu or at the very least -de aru. Addressing themselves with the informal "I", boku. They even seem to take more jabs at the Apples for their lack of cider production. They were so shifty I could taste the snake oil. Version with subtitles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ac1b5_the-super-speedy-cider-squeezy-6000-japanese_music So, what other stories of dubs, subs or other language multimedia do you guys have? Edit: Better learn to properly screw up my native language before screwing up someone else's. Format correction.

@@Simon Sigh. None of you know the situation, either. It's not my intent to stop anything good from coming of this, so I'm just going to bow out of this one. Thank you and everyone else for their input.

You and I are on the same page, arguing over semantics. I'm not at all denying that the cartoon was used as a means of bullying. I'm saying that right now. My intention is prevent the idea that "Bullies are bullying us/them because of ponies" and instead direct it to the much more correct "Bullies are bulling us/them because they're bullies". It all really is pointless. That's the point I'm trying to make. That there's no point to be made in pinning it on him liking MLP. COINCIDENTAL CORRELATION! Yes. There we go. I knew it'd spring to mind eventually. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I think I can better explain it by saying: This is how I feel others are seeing it—Michael is a Brony. Michael is bullied using ponies. Therefore, he was targeted/bulled because he's a Brony. This is how I see it—Michael is a Brony. Michael is bullied using ponies. Therefore, Michael had something easily exploitable used against him. That and my skepticism lies in the ability of Bronies to not make anything they get involved with about them. Edit: I had more, but my attention span can be measured in Planck time.

I can be certain that no creature has mastered the art of denial as finely as an anonymous internet poster. Was it your intention to spell out "NO U" in so many words? I'd have at least enjoyed for you to spell out why you think I'm wrong. Then again... Here we go, repeating myself. Again. I'm going to spell it out in the simplest terms that I can, and hopefully I won't have to resort to a Third Time's the Smarm. If you'd have read what I said did not mention, twice, that he was bullied using MLP? I mean, I could go buckwild with the quotations. The answer would be: Yes. Now that we've arrived at our affirmative, the next part is what you seem to be having trouble grasping. And that's the concept that bullies don't really care what you do, watch, play, clop to or otherwise jam into one of the many orifices drilled into your body. What matters is the reaction. If calling you out on My Little Pony elicits a reaction, then you have the entire crux of bullying! Magic~! They're not going to dwell on what kind of person you are for what you watch. They're going to chew up your shame and insecurity for the purpose of making you squeal, appearing cool in front of peers or getting a sick sense of satisfaction of superiority over you. So, say it with me: Ponies have nothing to do with bullying. Bullies have everything to do with bullying. Because they're fucking bullies. Edit: An errant forward slash was poking about my punctuation.

Kids get bullied over sneakers, bagged lunches what place in line they're in for the cafeteria or the condition of their state-issued calculator. Like I said before, no bully actually gives a rat's vomit (which rats cannot do) about the TV show or sneakers, political affiliation or gender normativity. Especially at school age. Yes. the kid was bullied using My Little Pony as a catalyst, but that itself is irrelevant. They'd have done the exact same thing to him had there been any other thing that would have provoked the same response. To make this child's sacrifices about how so obviously oppressed Bronies are instead about the act of bullying is insulting to him, belittles the fans and just makes both a mockery and a target of the rest of the fans.

No. Just... No. This is not about Bronies. Don't you guys dare make this about anything other than bullying. If for one second this is made about how fragile little snowflake-victims of bullying Bronies are... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXMR90HgZDY

My condolences and best wishes for the kid are a given. Children are meant to be children. But don't think for one moment at all that bullies actually care about the subject matter used to bully. A weapon is a weapon is a weapon. Skepticism aside and running the notion that him watching My Little Pony was the catalyst that cause this, I will assure (like... mathematically certain) you the other kids gave exactly zero fucks about what the kid watched or did in his free time. There was something he may or may not have felt shame about and that button was pressed mercilessly regardless of context. Bullies are bullies. The only one making this about Bronies is us. The only people that can make you feel shame are yourselves. Not your friends, not your teachers, not your classmates, not God or your parents. In addition to standing with one another in solidarity, we must also stand up for ourselves.

There were rape jokes in APM? Sounds awfully calumnious...

Feeling pride for something as inane as watching a cartoon and comparing it to LGBT Pride. That sentiment makes me feel shame for both

I scent an MRA in our midst. If this show is sexist then I'm not an asshole.

Well, why should you be proud you watch the show? Not in a pride/shame sense, but why at all? It kind of smacks of self-congratulation and a need for attention.

Like Dark Sun said, there doesn't seem to be much reason for pride in being a singular Brony, since being one or admitting that you're one is to include yourself in the so-called herd as part of a collective. When people claim "Brony Pride", all one really does is proclaim (usually without context or provocation) that they're part of a group that likes to think it's ostracized.

Fifth cousins twice removed hardly counts as being related. If that's considered, how far do we have to go back? Mitochondrial Eve?

It may just be me, but it seems that an option is missing for those of us who are not bronies. Unfortunately, I feel wholly underrepresented.