KillerKingBakudan 702 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 That's what Lauren Faust had envisioned for her originally, and it was totally harmless. Hasbro never should have struck this idea down. The notion that queens in kids' shows represent "evil" is both baseless and stupid. Celestia is way too mature to be a mere princess. What's keeping her from advancing? Is she too comfortable in her current position, or is she just not capable of taking on bigger responsibilities? It makes no sense. The MLP movie just established Novo as a queen for the hippogriff kingdom. She's not evil. She's not leaving a bad taste in kids' mouths. So now we have no reason for Celestia not to rank up to queen status. Luna's the only princess Canterlot needs. 8 No questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Blaze 98 1,138 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 Tia and Lulu are meant to be equal though. (Although they don't do a very good job of it) But making Tia queen and leaving Luna as a princess just wouldn't be right. And Queen Celestia just doesn't sound right... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen Pathfinder 16,162 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 At this point I don't really see much impetus for change; though I do agree that I would LIKE to see it. That said I have to wonder if there is an in-universe explanation for the avoidance of the use of queen in Equestrian monarchical hierarchy. Maybe Equestria doesn't recognize a queen by law? Maybe Celestia prefers a princess? Could be anything then. 6 Pathfinder I Sojourner I Corsair | Zu'hra I Autumn | Scarlet Willow | Gypsy | Silverthorn | Crystal Whisper | Radiant Historia | And many other OCs~ Matching signatures with mah Bestie MOONLIGHT <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hierok 11,832 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 The only thing I want to change about Celestia is her size. Why can't she just be the size of Luna? 2 If I don't understand something or Interpret it wrong, I'm dutch. Sometimes I gamble for meanings of the words. And sometimes I write the wrong words, like week and weak for example. Sorry for it already. Discord, Twilight, Sunset, Fluttershy, Starlight, Rarity, Luna, Celestia, Big MCintosh, Cadence, Shining, Minuette, Lyra, Rara, Sweetie Belle, Cheerilee, Derpy, Spike. !Feel Free To Talk And Walk Where Ever You Like On This Forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganondox 899 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 (edited) We've known her as Princess Celestia for 7 seasons now, doesn't make sense to change her title now without good reason, even if the original title was silly. Anyway, the best explanation I have for why the ponies go by princess rather than queen is to emphasize that they are NOT a monarchy. Celestia and Luna are supposed to rule together. Edited October 15, 2017 by Ganondox 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyDashie 1,847 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Midnight Blaze 98 said: Tia and Lulu are meant to be equal though. (Although they don't do a very good job of it) But making Tia queen and leaving Luna as a princess just wouldn't be right. And Queen Celestia just doesn't sound right... yeah I agree, princess celestia kinda rolls of the tongue, or something 1 20% cooler in 10 seconds flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once In A Blue Moon 895 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Midnight Blaze 98 said: Tia and Lulu are meant to be equal though. Maybe before Nightmare Moon's rebellion, but I'd argue that hasn't really been the case since - the pretence of equality wears thin when your 'equal' can remove you from power when they need to. Celestia has always been shown as first among equals with the other princesses, which is what monarchs have traditionally been (a king or queen has always had to tread softly around powerful their powerful nobles) so she 'ought' to be called queen, but they've got this far with only a few cases of her being called a queen* they might as well keep it up. *as I recall, one of the Cakes refer to her as 'your majesty', which is reserved for monarchs. The correct equivalent for a princess would be 'your highness'. Edited October 15, 2017 by Once In A Blue Moon 2 Whisper, The City of Darkness; Carto Sketch - The Dark Millennium Participating in this RP can be agonizing sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarston1 5,959 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 Well at this point, seven years in, I feel like it would be too late to implement this change to the show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunlight Swift 29 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 Even though Celestia was called queen in the pitch bible, some things were changed after Lauren brought Martin Ansolabehere and Paul Rudish to the team. Paul Rudish is credited with creating the character nightmare moon. I figure they probably decided that with Luna becoming a coruler with Celestia that the title Queen would undermine Luna's position in sharing the position of ruler. Many concepts continued to be evolved after the pitch bible. We don't see 50/50 adventure to relationship episodes, rodeo applejack or much of filledalphia either. I see it as Queen and Princess being titles given equal respect in the equestrian universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimGrimoire 4,973 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 Going into Season 8 I would say this would be a pointless change. They can call her Queen, Princess, Your Highness, Fred, Ma'am, Empress, Royalty or whatever... it is accepted by now she is in charge. I think it works perfectly well within the context of the show. Does Rutherford have to be called King now as well? What about Ember and Thorax? I don't think we need to rewrite titles now to fit any accepted notion of how titles should work. 1 ~No profound statement needed~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaburoDaimando 1,196 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 I prefer a more gender neutral, but 100% cooler title. Celestia PRIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,008 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 (edited) Here's a possible explanation. While Celestia and Luna reigned for a very long time, I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned that they were the only rulers of Equestria. So perhaps the title of Queen or King is reserved for the first ruler, an Eternal Queen/King, as a matter of showing respect and all successors are to take the lesser title of Princess or Prince. Edited October 15, 2017 by Tsaritsa Luna 1 Pony Art Thread Brony since ~25 July of 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Guide 21,364 October 15, 2017 Share October 15, 2017 (edited) As much as I love Nostalgia Critic, one of his pet peeves, Princess Rule, is one I strongly disagree with. "Even though the king and queen are totally dead, she still technically calls herself 'Princess'. How does that work? If you're the ruler of a nation, you're a f***ing queen." — The Nostalgia Critic, reviewing Felix the Cat: The Movie I honestly don't give a darn about what title is given to female rulers. If she want to be call Princess, let her. As long as she's using her authority for good and not going around unjustly using it to invade other countries or whatever like Sombra or Chrysalis! Edited October 15, 2017 by WiiGuy2014 A Dragon as big as his love for Disney and has his head in the clouds literally and figuratively Ask Will Guide | Signature by Wife of Hawks | WiiGuy2014’s OCs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstarraven 142 October 18, 2017 Share October 18, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 3:30 AM, KillerKingBakudan said: That's what Lauren Faust had envisioned for her originally, and it was totally harmless. Hasbro never should have struck this idea down. The notion that queens in kids' shows represent "evil" is both baseless and stupid. Celestia is way too mature to be a mere princess. What's keeping her from advancing? Is she too comfortable in her current position, or is she just not capable of taking on bigger responsibilities? It makes no sense. The MLP movie just established Novo as a queen for the hippogriff kingdom. She's not evil. She's not leaving a bad taste in kids' mouths. So now we have no reason for Celestia not to rank up to queen status. Luna's the only princess Canterlot needs. I would be happy with a Queen Cadence..... Celestia/Luna are co-rulers. So having them both be princesses is fine. (Also Celestia does not seem like the kind of ruler that would be comfortable with being a queen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenly Inexplicit 309 October 18, 2017 Share October 18, 2017 I imagined that the princesses of Equestria called themselves "princesses" because they believed in some high being that ruled over everything, thus reducing their earthly selves to the role of "princess". Love and tolerate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlinkZ 1,151 October 21, 2017 Share October 21, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 1:30 AM, KillerKingBakudan said: That's what Lauren Faust had envisioned for her originally, and it was totally harmless. Hasbro never should have struck this idea down. The notion that queens in kids' shows represent "evil" is both baseless and stupid. Celestia is way too mature to be a mere princess. What's keeping her from advancing? Is she too comfortable in her current position, or is she just not capable of taking on bigger responsibilities? It makes no sense. The MLP movie just established Novo as a queen for the hippogriff kingdom. She's not evil. She's not leaving a bad taste in kids' mouths. So now we have no reason for Celestia not to rank up to queen status. Luna's the only princess Canterlot needs. I mean even Naria books had mulpte queens nd kings. but really would that iconic 'Dear Princes Celestia" really fit nostigically as Dear Queen Celestia? jsut doesn't roll of the tounge the same way Zubric(fimfiction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBD 17,257 October 23, 2017 Share October 23, 2017 Plus we have Queen Elsa, so I think that for Lauran's excuse for not turning Celestria into a queen is no longer needed. ♪ "I practice every day to find some clever lines to say, to make the meaning come through"♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadOBabe 19,013 October 24, 2017 Share October 24, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 4:01 AM, Hierok said: The only thing I want to change about Celestia is her size. Why can't she just be the size of Luna? Forget THAT. Tia’s perfect the way she is. Anyway, it’s quite possible that Princess IS the highest rank in Equestria. It’s a “rose by any other name” situation. Changing it to Queen wouldn’t actually make any difference in her duties or role. Check out my artwork any time: http://shadobabe.deviantart.com/ "OMG; You are such a troll. XD" - PathfinderCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareGun45 2,221 October 24, 2017 Share October 24, 2017 It just seems like Equestrian tradition to have a princess as a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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