Why I Hate MLP Season 8

[gingerninja666 487]

Just now, PurpleWonderPower said:

But revenge is when someone does something horribly awful. Payback is when someone gets rightful punishment for doing wrong. That's just called justice. Gladmane did bad, causing arguments between all his employees, and all Flim and Flam did was help them expose him for his lies and give him what he deserved. That wasn't revenge, that's just doing justice.

That's one of the things that CAN make it justice. But another factor is the motive of the person doing it. Someone netting out justice isn't just acting out of self-interest. They're doing it because they think it's morally the correct thing to do. The flim flams do not.

 

That's my main point. Quibbling over definitions aside, the flim flams were acting out of self interest, and resumed their scheming ways as soon as Gladmane was gone. So them assisting the mane cast isn't a sign that they've become better people by itself.

[KH7672 1,604]

16 minutes ago, PurpleWonderPower said:

Just because Flim and Flam's brand new, completely different characters in Friendship University completely contradict themselves from all their other episodes. They don't act like themselves, and they do things Flim and Flam would never do. It contradicts everything about them, so it doesn't tally, therefore it doesn't really count.

Then I ask one thing: How would you fix it with an alternative approach?

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

Just now, gingerninja666 said:

That's one of the things that CAN make it justice. But another factor is the motive of the person doing it. Someone netting out justice isn't just acting out of self-interest. They're doing it because they think it's morally the correct thing to do. The flim flams do not.

 

That's my main point. Quibbling over definitions aside, the flim flams were acting out of self interest, and resumed their scheming ways as soon as Gladmane was gone. So them assisting the mane cast isn't a sign that they've become better people by itself.

It still wasn't revenge, and yeah, it kind of was partly out of self-interest, but also it was to do the right thing. I mean, Flim and Flam could have just said no, and let Gladmane carry on making arguments because theirs was solved, but they chose to help AJ and Flutters expose him instead.

[gingerninja666 487]

3 minutes ago, PurpleWonderPower said:

It still wasn't revenge, and yeah, it kind of was partly out of self-interest, but also it was to do the right thing. I mean, Flim and Flam could have just said no, and let Gladmane carry on making arguments because theirs was solved, but they chose to help AJ and Flutters expose him instead.

They chose to help because it would hurt Gladmane and ruin him. They get satisfaction out of screwing over the person who screwed them. The person who played them for fools, basically. Not to mention the fact that they'd just learned that they'd able to take over the resort if they got rid of Gladmane, which is what they did.

Edited September 16, 2018 by gingerninja666

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

11 hours ago, KH7672 said:

Then I ask one thing: How would you fix it with an alternative approach?

Oh, boy, where do I start? For starters,

• Put Flim and Flam back in character, their charming, positive, enthusiastic attutudes instead of being so nasty and cruel like Flim and Flam would never do.
• Put their tacky vocabulary back into its usual elaborate showpony style.
• Put their voices back into their normal bounce and super-fastness, and make them say stuff simultaneously and finish each others sentences like they are supposed to.
• Put the song's verses in tune, and change the lyrics so it sounds like a proper FlimFlam Brothers song.
• Replace Twilight and Rarity with Applejack and Fluttershy.
• Get rid of Starswirl and Neighsay.
• Get rid of that ridiculous University of Friendship plot, and make it a proper FlimFlam Brothers plot, as in a marketing scheme, or even better, them being the ones with the problem, and Applejack and Fluttershy having to help them solve it.
• Flim and Flam reform, or, even better, are not even the bad guys.

11 hours ago, gingerninja666 said:

They chose to help because it would hurt Gladmane and ruin him. They get satisfaction out of screwing over the person who screwed them. The person who played them for fools, basically. Not to mention the fact that they'd just learned that they'd able to take over the resort if they got rid of Gladmane, which is what they did.

Well, yeah, they did take over the resort, but that "screwing, hurting, ruining" thing really doesn't sound like Flim and Flam. They just wanted to do Gladmane some justice for what he did to them and the others, they weren't seeking vengeance. Flim and Flam have literally no sense of vengeance whatsoever, kind of like Discord.

Edited September 17, 2018 by PurpleWonderPower

[gingerninja666 487]

10 minutes ago, PurpleWonderPower said:

Well, yeah, they did take over the resort, but that "screwing, hurting, ruining" thing really doesn't sound like Flim and Flam. They just wanted to do Gladmane some justice for what he did to them and the others, they weren't seeking vengeance. Flim and Flam have literally no sense of vengeance whatsoever, kind of like Discord.

I feel like you're missing the meat of my point. Which is that they weren't doing this to be good guys. There's certainly no evidence that they were doing it out of sympathy for anyone else that Gladmane hurt. All we have evidence of is that they did it because of what he did to them. And because they'd get to take over a resort. Both self serving motivations.

Edited September 16, 2018 by gingerninja666

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

8 minutes ago, starlightfan1 said:

Yes yes I 100% percent agree. I mean what was the point of Flim and Flam being mean to twilight she’s not even their enemy. It also made no sense for Rarity to be in this episode. How do you have a Flim and Flam episode and not have Applejack in it like come on and yes Fluttershy should of replace rarity absolutely. 

I know! A Flim and Flam episode without Applejack is like a Discord episode without any magic or outfits! And about them being mean to Twilight when she's not even their enemy, in fact its not even that. Flim and Flam aren't even mean to their enemies anyway. Look at how warmly they always treat Applejack and her friends in their previous episodes. And they just act so evil to Twilight. Sure, they were always bad, but they aren't evil. And they're never cruel or forceful like they were to Twilight, they're just deceptive, and they actually have really nice attitudes.

[Singe 2,111]

11 minutes ago, PurpleWonderPower said:

Oh, boy, where do I start? For starters,

• Put Flim and Flam back in character, their charming, positive, enthusiastic attutudes instead of being so nasty and cruel like Flim and Flam would never do.
• Put their tacky vocabulary back into its elaborate showpony style.
• Put their voices back into their normal bounce and super-fast, and make them say stuff simultaneously and finish each others sentences like they are supposed to.
• Put the song's verses in tune, and change the lyrics so it sounds like a proper FlimFlam Brothers song.
• Replace Twilight and Rarity with Applejack and Fluttershy.
• Get rid of Starswirl and Neighsay.
• Get rid of that ridiculous University of Friendship plot, and make it a proper FlimFlam Brothers plot, as in a marketing scheme, or even better, them being the ones with the problem, and Applejack and Fluttershy having to help them solve it.
• Flim and Flam reform, or, even better, are not even the bad guys.

Flim and Flam needs a team up episode with Iron Will.

Now what I was really expecting for a new school to pop up in Season 8, would be the pony defense school that Neighsay was expecting in the first episode. Have an episode where it's Twilight's friendship ideology vs. we need security from the outside threats. Instead we just get an episode stating universities are scams.

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

10 minutes ago, gingerninja666 said:

I feel like you're missing the meat of my point. Which is that they weren't doing this to be good guys. There's certainly no evidence that they were doing it out of sympathy for anyone else that Gladmane hurt. All we have evidence of is that they did it because of what he did to them. And because they'd get to take over a resort. Both self serving motivations.

Yes, but they didn't have cruel or nasty intentions, they just wanted to pay Gladmane back, it was not revenge. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with having self-serving motivations for helping others.

Edited September 16, 2018 by PurpleWonderPower

[gingerninja666 487]

Just now, PurpleWonderPower said:

Yes, but they didn't have cruel or nasty intentions, it was not revenge. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with having self-serving motivations for helping others.

They're self serving and don't care about who they hurt or inconvenience to get what they want. They goaded Granny smith into making a bet with the intent of taking the apples' home away from them. They didn't care that they were handing out shitty cider. They emotionally extorted Applejack and exploited her in order to hawk their snake oil. They didn't care that Granny Smith was about to hurt herself because of the confidence their tonic falsely instilled in her.

They don't care if they hurt you, so long as they get what they want. In Viva Las Pegasus, it just so happened that the path to getting what they wanted coincided with what AJ and Shy wanted.

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

22 minutes ago, gingerninja666 said:

They're self serving and don't care about who they hurt or inconvenience to get what they want. They goaded Granny smith into making a bet with the intent of taking the apples' home away from them. They didn't care that they were handing out shitty cider. They emotionally extorted Applejack and exploited her in order to hawk their snake oil. They didn't care that Granny Smith was about to hurt herself because of the confidence their tonic falsely instilled in her.

They don't care if they hurt you, so long as they get what they want. In Viva Las Pegasus, it just so happened that the path to getting what they wanted coincided with what AJ and Shy wanted.

I know they mostly only care about themselves, and are uncaring about the consequences of their deception, but so did Gilda, Diamond Tiara, Nightmare Moon, Discord, Sunset Shimmer, Trixie and Starlight Glimmer, and they all reformed.

And I doubt they would have refused to help Applejack and Fluttershy even if there wasn't anything in it for them. They treat Applejack as a friend, not as an enemy, which is also another reason they have a head start on things to go on for reformation.

Edited September 16, 2018 by PurpleWonderPower

[Dark Qiviut 22,401]

21 minutes ago, gingerninja666 said:

They're self serving and don't care about who they hurt or inconvenience to get what they want. They goaded Granny smith into making a bet with the intent of taking the apples' home away from them. They didn't care that they were handing out shitty cider. They emotionally extorted Applejack and exploited her in order to hawk their snake oil. They didn't care that Granny Smith was about to hurt herself because of the confidence their tonic falsely instilled in her.

They don't care if they hurt you, so long as they get what they want. In Viva Las Pegasus, it just so happened that the path to getting what they wanted coincided with what AJ and Shy wanted.

^ This. Not once do Flim and Flam apologize for their scams. In Squeezy, they run and abandon Ponyville, and in LoF, they sneakily left. FU's the first time we really see DHX indulge them with a kettle full of karma.

Just now, PurpleWonderPower said:

I know they mostly only care about themselves, and are uncaring about the consequences of their actions, but so did Gilda, Diamond Tiara, Nightmare Moon, Discord, Sunset Shimmer, Trixie and Starlight Glimmer, and they all reformed.

The antagonists and villains who reform showed remorse. Neither Flim nor Flam are the least bit sorry.

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

6 hours ago, Dark Qiviut said:

^ This. Not once do Flim and Flam apologize for their scams. In Squeezy, they run and abandon Ponyville, and in LoF, they sneakily left. FU's the first time we really see DHX indulge them with a kettle full of karma.

The antagonists and villains who reform showed remorse. Neither Flim nor Flam are the least bit sorry.

Neither did any of the other antagonists before their reformation episodes. Flim and Flam just haven't had a reformation episode yet, so they haven't showed remorse yet.

Edited September 17, 2018 by PurpleWonderPower

[Hierok 11,831]

On 9/15/2018 at 10:46 AM, PurpleWonderPower said:

Why I Hate MLP Season 8

The Young Six

The Mane 6 seem to have been replaced with Yona, Sandbar, Gallus, Silverstream, Smoulder and Ocellus. Sure, they're pretty great characters—or at least Yona, Smoulder, Ocellus and Gallus are. I don't care much for Sandbar, he is pretty boring, and as for Silverstream, she is obviously just an exact copy of Pinkie Pie. And although (most of) the Young Six are great characters, the show seems to revolve around them now, instead of Twilight and the others! It was bad enough in Season 7, when the show became from Starlight Glimmer's point of view instead of Twilight's, but at least there were still some great episodes about the rest of the Mane 6. In Season 8, everything seems to be about the Young Six and the School of Friendship. They've completely taken over everything. I have barely seen a single episode that has a plot about the Mane 6, even less, a plot about the Mane 6 that doesn't revolve around the School of Friendship. The show is supposed to be about Twilight Sparkle and her friends, not some school and students.

So you are saying there shouldn't have continuity? These characters are introduced to keep the show going. The mane 6 are done, so there is little point to make lots of episodes about them. 

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

2 hours ago, Hierok said:

So you are saying there shouldn't have continuity? These characters are introduced to keep the show going. The mane 6 are done, so there is little point to make lots of episodes about them. 

I have nothing against introducing new characters, but new characters shouldn't replace the old characters. The Mane 6 are the main characters. The entire show is supposed to be about them. Like if Atomic Betty started revolving around Sparky instead of Betty. Or if Kid VS Kat started evolving around Lorne and Harley instead of Coop and Dennis. Or if Teen Titans Go started revolving around a bunch of new heroes instead of the Titans.

[RulesofRarity 493]

20 hours ago, Theanimationfanatic said:

I actually liked how Starlight was utilized in Season 7.

Overall, I'd say she was better in S7 than she was in S6 although I didn't like her very much outside "All Bottled Up", "Rock Solid Friendship"(Pinkie Pie was completely unbearable here), "Uncommon Bond" and "Triple Threat".    

[TheAnimationFanatic 3,596]

1 hour ago, RulesofRarity said:

Overall, I'd say she was better in S7 than she was in S6 although I didn't like her very much outside "All Bottled Up", "Rock Solid Friendship"(Pinkie Pie was completely unbearable here), "Uncommon Bond" and "Triple Threat".    

Not even in "A Royal Problem" ?

[Dark Qiviut 22,401]

4 hours ago, PurpleWonderPower said:

I have nothing against introducing new characters, but new characters shouldn't replace the old characters.

New characters aren't replacing them. It remains the Mane Eight's and the CMCs's series. That said, with the show soon ending and with a new team of six introduced, season 8 had to use them and make them stars in episodes.

[Dark Qiviut 22,401]

1 hour ago, Theanimationfanatic said:

Not even in "A Royal Problem" ?

To stop their fight, Starlight impulsively swapped their cutie marks. Nonetheless, I don't hold it against her, because she had a major nightmare on the belief she only worsened their feud.

[PurpleWonderPower 81]

7 minutes ago, Dark Qiviut said:

New characters aren't replacing them. It remains the Mane Eight's and the CMCs's series. That said, with the show soon ending and with a new team of six introduced, season 8 had to use them and make them stars in episodes.

But the show seems to revolve around the School of Friendship and the Young Six now, not the Mane 8 and their friendship duties.

[RulesofRarity 493]

1 hour ago, Theanimationfanatic said:

Not even in "A Royal Problem" ?

I was thinking about "A Royal Problem" and why I disliked like the episode so much, I assumed it was because of Starlight but then I re-watched the episode and recalled @KH7672's well written explanation about why Starlight switching the Princesses cutie marks wasn't as bad as I thought. So yes actually, Starlight is fine in that episode.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2018 by RulesofRarity

[CastletonSnob 3,074]

I wouldn't say I hate Season 8, but it's definitely a step down in quality from S7. 

[Sepul-Coloratura 762]

This season was unfocused and all over the place.
It's like the story doesn't know where to go and moves back and forth.
I hope they take more time carefully on writing and directing next season. It was the messiest season and my least favorite MLP season of all time. (even with the good subjects like 'The Mean Six', the execution: directing and pacing was off.)

Oh, and do you know when to tell the story of a series gets bad?
The main character multiplies. In this case it was the young six and the pillars.
They do this because the writers think they can't find a way to do new things with the main characters.
The young six and the pillars are a recycle and slight adjustment of the mane six archetype.

Now they can't even do things with the most important new character they brought in in the first place. (Starlight)
And the mane six becomes like a hivemind now. They don't act individually.

I think the main reason the story is unfocused in this season is because they hire different writers with little time to work on.
I think they don't gather around with other writers, director, editors etc. they don't have enough time to re-watch all the previous episodes either. And they don't have enough time to fix the script or exchange ideas. The writers are not involved deeply enough.

The school of friendship could have been a nice idea to begin with, but it plays out more of a drag than an opportunity.

[Sepul-Coloratura 762]

On 9/15/2018 at 5:46 PM, PurpleWonderPower said:

OOC Characters

One of my biggest moans about Season 8 is how outrageously out of character so many characters are. They don't act like themselves, they don't sound like themselves, their vocabulary ranges are off, they do things that the real characters would never do, and it's basically like they've been replaced with changelings. Also, all the OOCness seems to happen to the best characters in the show!

Pinkie Pie in 'Too Many Pinkie Pies' : "Just trying to show a little consideration for my sleepy friend."

Pinkie Pie in 'Yakity-Sax' : (BLOWS A YOVIDAPHONE IN MAX VOLUME IN FRONT OF FLUTTERSHY'S COTTAGE WHILE EVERYONE'S SLEEPING)

[Hierok 11,831]

On 9/17/2018 at 5:04 PM, PurpleWonderPower said:

I have nothing against introducing new characters, but new characters shouldn't replace the old characters. The Mane 6 are the main characters. The entire show is supposed to be about them. Like if Atomic Betty started revolving around Sparky instead of Betty. Or if Kid VS Kat started evolving around Lorne and Harley instead of Coop and Dennis. Or if Teen Titans Go started revolving around a bunch of new heroes instead of the Titans.

The show is supposed to go about Twilight, but I never heard anyone about episodes without Twilight.