Why Fluttershy should punch Rainbow Dash at the end of Griffon the Brush Off

[DrAltaica 13]

I transcribed the relevant bits for you:

 

 

While I was editing my Project 4 Awesome video me editing software kept spontaneously shutting down and I didn't really understand why the rest of my computer was working fine there were no other problems, it was just the editing software that malfunctioning. when this happened I would close my computer push it away in frustration and say, "ugh, why are you being so unhappy?"

I said it like that cause sometimes I just like to say things differently to make them more fun, but because of that i realized something. What I just did with my computer is that same thing we do to people with mental illnesses, We see a part of it that is wrong some of the time and we don't understand it because of this people often get pushed away. A mental illness like depression has to do with emotions we all have emotions and it is human nature to want to relate to these emotions. But when someone has depression we can't always understand what they are going through because we haven't been in that situation. People that can't understand have a hard time relating. The thing is that with depression you can't fix-it by yourself just like my computer, it's not going to fix the problem unless I do something about it, it needs external help, just like people with depression also need external help

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I felt like he wanted people to get help because he wanted them to be happy. Whereas I feel like most people I know want me to get help because they don’t want to deal with me when I’m unhappy. 

This is where you come in. 

This is for people that want help, 

people who want support, 

because you need someone that can understand what you’re going through,

you need someone to support you,

you need someone who is going to be your friend 

 

 

We are not self-contained, self-regulating units. We are regulated through our healthy interactions with those to whom we feel safe and close. We are social animals; we need one another. As adults, we become depressed and anxious without enough limbic resonance in our lives. As newborns, we may die; if we don't die, we are going to be damaged by this lack.
 

Let me explain limbic resonance. It refers to the energetic exchange that happens between two people who are interacting in a caring and safe relationship. Their interaction stimulates the release of certain neurochemicals in the limbic region of the brain. These chemicals are necessary for full emotional and physical well-being. Without enough limbic resonance in our lives, over time, we function and feel less and less well. This is why isolation is bad for us. 
 
 
people start associating- their own personal regulation according to what is externally represented to them as children.   So for instance, if one has a mother that meets their needs, they cry she comes, she comforts them.  That initial dependence in that parent or that caregiver that is teaching them how to coordinate.   Eventually that develops into the brain to teach the child how to coordinate themself  and as time passes and as that is repeated over and over again, that child learns to be secure in limbic resonance. They learn to feel secure in being vulnerable and making connections. If that's not present in the body then what happens is limbic resonance can actual become a vary frightening thing, being vulnerable can be dangerous and that is exactly what we see happening with Gilda. 

 

Gilda's problem snaping at people being unable to trust people isn't something she can solve by herself. It's not going to fix the problem unless somepony does something about it, it needs external help

 

 

Why Fluttershy should punch Rainbow Dash?

because Gilda needs somepony that can understand what she's going through.

She needs someone to support her.

She need someone who is going to be her friend.

Because Rainbow Dash is supposed to be Gilda's friend.

And Fluttershy is cutest when she is is opening a can a woopass for somepony.

 

[Jessper 735]

Well, I think there's one other option to consider. Gilda is an ass. Some people are just asses. Born as such, live as such and die as such. Gilda was unfortunate enough to be that kind of secondary character. Is this RD hating topic in cover? 

 

Isn't Limbic resonance the theory about behaviour of monkies by the way?

[DrAltaica 13]

Well, I think there's one other option to consider. Gilda is an ass. Some people are just asses. Born as such, live as such and die as such. Gilda was unfortunate enough to be that kind of secondary character.

Not even I think that Dash is so self-centered and oblivious to the folk around her, that she would choose an ass to be her best friend. 

Is this RD hating topic in cover? 

No it's Wil Wheaton Fanboying under the cover of RD hating.  

Isn't Limbic resonance the theory about behaviour of monkies by the way?

"Within the effulgence of their new brain, mammals developed a capacity we call 'limbic resonance' — a symphony of mutual exchange and internal adaptation whereby two mammals become attuned to each other's inner states." According to some professors of psychiatry at UCSF, that claim our nervous systems are not self-contained, but rather demonstrably attuned to those around us with whom we share a close connection.

[Jessper 735]

Not even I think that Dash is so self-centered and oblivious to the folk around her, that she would choose an ass to be her best friend. 

No it's Wil Wheaton Fanboying under the cover of RD hating.  

"Within the effulgence of their new brain, mammals developed a capacity we call 'limbic resonance' — a symphony of mutual exchange and internal adaptation whereby two mammals become attuned to each other's inner states." According to some professors of psychiatry at UCSF, that claim our nervous systems are not self-contained, but rather demonstrably attuned to those around us with whom we share a close connection.

I'm not very sure how it's RD's fault that Gilda is an ass. You are reading from some past that wasn't really in the episode. As far as the episode goes, RD behaved way too good to Gilda, considering what she was doing to people around.

But you know, if you just wanted Gilda and Dash to touch each other more, then I can relate. ... Oh, I did NOT just say that.

 

Also, love Will Wheaton, actually. The best bad guy ever.

 

And yeah, the study, I have this funny (and annoying for some) habit or a vow if you will, that I don't look up knowledge while I'm answering someone, if I don't know, then I don't know and won't tab to Google. But turns out I was kind of right, large parts are based on observing monkeys. I knew I've read about this year or two back.

[Tall_But_Short_37 233]

Not even I think that Dash is so self-centered and oblivious to the folk around her, that she would choose an ass to be her best friend. 

 

First off, Rainbow Dash and Gilda were friends from a long time ago, so Gilda could've changed since they last saw each other.

 

And remember, this isn't the only time we've seen Rainbow pick a jerk as her best friend. With Lightning Dust too, we see Rainbow picking a friend because she's the coolest and the best, and we know Rainbow loves to hang out with great flyers who can show off and challenge her in the sky. But with both Gilda and LD, she doesn't openly see how their actions are hurting her friends and others until the end, and at that point is when she calls them out. You're correct, Rainbow isn't so self-centered and oblivious to have such a jerk as her best friend. Once she sees their true actions towards others, she makes the right and loyal decision and sticks with her friends.

 

"Within the effulgence of their new brain, mammals developed a capacity we call 'limbic resonance' — a symphony of mutual exchange and internal adaptation whereby two mammals become attuned to each other's inner states." According to some professors of psychiatry at UCSF, that claim our nervous systems are not self-contained, but rather demonstrably attuned to those around us with whom we share a close connection.

 

Does this only apply to mammals? Because who knows if Gilda would experience the same thing, considering she's only half mammal. Since she has the head of an eagle, one can reasonably assume her brain is quite different from any other ponies, and she'll act and interpret things differently than them.

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

I chuckled when I saw this topic.

 

Why Fluttershy Shouldn't Punch Rainbow Dash at the End of Griffon the Brush Off

 

She has no reason to whatsoever

It's a low move to punch someone when they just lost a friend

She's the Element of Kindness, so unjustified violence isn't her thing.

Tolerating Gilda's behavior will encourage it, not make it go away.

Gilda tried to force Rainbow to choose between her and the rest of her friends. That was an incredibly lame thing to demand, so Dash rejected her ultimatum, not Gilda herself. Gilda was unwilling to accept Dash's other friends and she left. Rainbow was willing to compromise, Gilda wasn't. Fluttershy should not attack the person who was in the right in this confrontation.

[Le Kvlt Dawn 2,364]

Dude Rainbow Dash has been friends with Fluttershy since they were fillies. When Fluttershy was picked on, Rainbow Dash would help her out (Rainbow Dash was also picked on). So why would Fluttershy want to punch Rainbow Dash?

[DrAltaica 13]

First off, Rainbow Dash and Gilda were friends from a long time ago, so Gilda could've changed since they last saw each other.

I was responding to Jassper's idea that Gilda is an ass that was, "Born as such, live as such and die as such." then Gilda didn't change into an ass after that last saw each other.

 

 

Does this only apply to mammals? Because who knows if Gilda would experience the same thing, considering she's only half mammal. Since she has the head of an eagle, one can reasonably assume her brain is quite different from any other ponies, and she'll act and interpret things differently than them.

And yet you want her to just magical act like everypony else.

 

 

To see only difference between one’s own good self and the evil other is a heartless, soulless view, rather psychopathic, it’s so rigid, self-centered and simplistic. (like Rainbow Dash, IMHO)

 

 

To see evil as something very literal and permanent--it can never be changed... The offender is irreducibly, irredeemably, concretely of the nature of demonic evil, with no transformation possible is the world view of tyranny.

 

To get power from creating the impression of distance between oneself and evil is an important strategy in the policies of various dictators. They justify themselves and manipulate others with this distancing.

 

 

A view with a reason to admit hope of change is very different from a view projecting absolute evil outwardly on the other.

 

 

 

She's the Element of Kindness, so unjustified violence isn't her thing.

 

Dude Rainbow Dash has been friends with Fluttershy since they were fillies. When Fluttershy was picked on, Rainbow Dash would help her out (Rainbow Dash was also picked on). So why would Fluttershy want to punch Rainbow Dash?

It would not the only time Fluttershy slaps sense into Rainbow Dash She kicks RD in Dragon Quest

But with both Gilda and LD, she doesn't openly see how their actions are hurting her friends and others until the end, and at that point is when she calls them out.

Pinkie hurts Gilda and Dash just lets the two antagonize each other and never calls ether one out for antagonizing the other.

I'm not very sure how it's RD's fault that Gilda is an ass.

 

 

New scene

 

Lets recap.

Pinkie repeatedly ignores RD request to leave her alone

 

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie: Rainbow Dash!

 

 

Rainbow Dash: *grunt* Pinkie Pie? Not again.

 

RD dashes off away from Pinkie and Pinkie Pie chases after RD

 

Pinkie Pie: Rainbow Dash.

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Not now, Pinkie Pie.

 

RD dashes off again.

 

Pinkie Pie: But, but Rainbow Dash–

 

 

Rainbow Dash: I'm in the middle of something.

 

 

Pinkie Pie: But–

 

 

Rainbow Dash: I said not now– *grunt*

New scene

 

 

Pinkie Pie walking threw town humming.

 

Dash sleeping on a cloud hears Pinkie and pulls off bits of cloud to plug her ears

 

 

Pinkie Pie: Hi, I'm looking for Rainbow Dash. Have you seen her?

 

RD tries to dig a hole in the Cloud to hide in.

 

Pinkie Pie asks Twilight, "Twilight, have you seen Rainbow Dash anywhere?"

 

 

Twilight Sparkle points up to the cloud and replys, "Isn't she right up there?"

 

Pinkie crys out, "Rainbow Dash."

 

RD pulls her head out of the cloud and looks around disparately then flys away from her for the 3rd time.

 

 

Pinkie hops off after her.

 

 

RD trys hiding behind the Apples' barn.

RD sighs in relief and says, "That was close" she turns and around and there is Pinkie.

 

Pinkie Says, "Hi" RD screams and flys off for the 4th time.

 

Pinkie Chases after while RD hides in a tree which is the Library if I'm not mistaken.

 

 

Its is revealed that RD is siting on Pinkies head and Pinkie says, "Hi again" RD flys off for the 5th time and pinkies chases her.

 

 

 

 

Pinkie bosses RD into helping her prank Spike.

 

 

 

 

 

RD sets down next to a lake and Pinkie pops up out of the water and says, "I need a favor, Rainbow Dash."

 

 

 

 

RD just up and starts to fly away again but then sighs then flops down on the ground in defeat while going "oh, forget it."

Or do you think Dash was going to say, "But we are still playing hide and seek! and it still my turn to hide!"

 

 

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie: I totally promise it'll be totally fun.

 

Rainbow Dash sighs and relents, "Okay."

 

 

 

 

RD decides Pinkie isn't without her redeeming qualities.

 

 

 

Rainbow Dash: You know Pinkie Pie, you're not as annoying as I thought.

 

 

Rainbow Dash: You wanna hang out?

 

Some other(the next?) day. Pinkie goes over Dash's house to start the day.

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie walks to Dash's house wear a silly mask and a Party hooter in her mouth. She blows the party hooter then says, "Rise and shine Rainbow Dash! It's a brand new day and we got a lot of pranking to-- Ooh."

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Mornin', Pinks. Gilda, this is my gal pal, Pinkie Pie.

 

 

Gilda: Hey. What's up?

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Pinkie, this is my griffon friend, Gilda.

 

 

Pinkie Pie: What's a griffon?

 

 

Rainbow Dash: She's half-eagle, half-lion.

 

 

Gilda: And all awesome. Raa. Heh-haa. Yeah, that's right.

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Gilda's my best friend from my days at Junior Speedster flight camp. Hey, remember the chant?

 

 

Gilda: Sha, they made us recite it every morning, I'll never get that lame thing out of my head.

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Sooo...

 

 

Gilda: Ugh. Only for you, Dash.

 

[Rainbow Dash/Gilda]

Junior Speedsters are our lives,

Sky-bound soars and daring dives

Junior Speedsters, it's our quest,

To some day be the very best!

 

 

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie: *laughs* Oh that was awesome, and it gave me a great idea for a prank. Gilda, you game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gilda: Huh. Well, I groove on a good prank as much as the next griffon. But Dash promised we'd get a flying session in this morning.

 

 

Gilda hoovers over Pinkie and Dash as she waits to Dash to say goodbye to Pinkie.

RD tells Pinkie she's hang with her after she is done with her flying lessons with Gilda

 

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Rainbow Dash: Yeah, uh, well, Pinkie Pie, you don't mind, do you? Gilda just got here. We'll catch up with you later.

 

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie: Oh. Um, well sure, no problem. [RD flys off while Pinkie is still talking] Have fun you guys, I'll, uh, just catch up with you– *sigh* later. *blows a party hooter very sadly*

 

 

Notice how Gilda has not been an ass yet in this episode?

 

 

Pinkie barges in on them anyways.

Cut to sky over Ponyville RD and Gilda do a loop then land on a cloud.

 

 

 

 

Gilda and Rainbow Dash laughing.

 

 

 

Gilda: Whoa, that was sweet. Just like old times.

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Yeah, only faster. So now what?

Now we have a repeat of the segment at the start of the episode where Pinkie Pie is searching for RD.

 

 

 

Pinkie's head starts poping up threw the clouds as she pogosticks.

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie: Hey there.

Judging by the 5 times RD has tried to leave Pinkie Pie behind in this episode I would say it has only been how even long it talks to fly from RD's house to Ponyville.

I don't buy the notion that "Pinkie Pie, having just bonded with Rainbow Dash"(as Dashforever put it) decides to, for the first time, leave her alone when Dash asks.

 

 

 

Gilda and Rainbow Dash: Huh?

 

 

She press Gilda's buttons by playing on her insecurities.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pinkie Pie: It's later. And I caught up.

 

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Pinkie Pie, you are so random.

 

 

RD giggles at Pinkie and we get the 'Gilda's loosing her cool' riff.

Now the question is why does this ruffle her feathers? If it is just the fact she wants RD all to herself, why wasn't there a riff when RD said, "Mornin', Pinks. Gilda, this is my gal pal, Pinkie Pie."? or when she had to humiliate herself in front of Pinkie with the JSFC chant? Or when Pinkie laughs at them for preforming the JSFC chant. Are we supposed to believe that Gilda that is so sensitive, she finds Flutterfly irritating enough to make her complete loose her cool, manages to completely hide her annoyance at Pinkie until now?

 

Gilda's trying to hard to act cool, trying to hard to act like Rainbow Dash, coupled with her disregard to anyone that isn't Dash I think she doesn't think she worthy to be Dash's friend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways what insults and means tricks does she lay on Pinkie for this?

 

 

Gilda repeats Dash's strategy to get Pinkie to leave them alone.

 

 

Gilda: Hey Dash, think you got enough gas left to beat me to that cloud?

 

 

Rainbow Dash: A race? You are so on.

 

 

Gilda: One, two, three, go.

ouch! Gilda flys off with RD without saying bye! how can she live with herself? Maybe the same way RD lived with herself when she did the same thing to Pinkie this episode.

 

So far the only rude behavior Gilda has done is the same stuff RD has pulled this episode and through out the series.

 

 

Pinkie ignores Gilda's Dashesque attempt to get Pinkie to do what Dash ask.

 

 

Gilda and and RD fly threw the cloud. The two have their, "I won," "no, I won" talk while Pinkie floats up behind them.

They manage to have a good time anyways until Pinkie gets RD to call Gilda a liar which ruffles her feathers.

 

 

Pinkie Pie: Wow guys, that was really close, but I think Rainbow Dash beat you by a teeny weeny itty bitty hair, or a teeny weeny itty bitty feather.

 

 

 

 

Rainbow Dash: Hah, see? Good thing Pinkie Pie's here to keep you honest, G.

I can first her the Gilda loosing her cool riff at the start of 'honest' suggesting that it's RD implying she is a lier that is pushing her buttons.

 

Gilda decides to have some one-on-one time with Pinkie

 

 

 

 

 

Gilda: Okay... Dash, last one to that cloud up there is a gnarly dragon egg. Go!

 

 

 

Dash flys off and when the smoke clears Gilda is still there.

With the tact of any Dash-wannabe, Gilda assertively suggests Pinkie take a time-out and rethink what she's doing and helps her back down.

 

 

 

 

 

Gilda: I think the high altitude is making you dizzy.

 

 

 

Gilda starts popping Pinkie's balloons.

 

 

Pinkie Pie says, "Wait, guys!" while Gilda flys off.

Yeah RD Pinkie needs to tell you Gilda is a big meanie that popped her balloons....

 

 

 

Pinkie once again refuses to leave Dash alone one moment

 

 

 

 

 

Gilda and RD land on a cloud and Pinkie says, "Oh wow, you guys almost got away from me that time."

my bad, Pinkie just wanted to continue to be the third wing in the flight lesson.

 

 

 

 

Riff while pinkie hoovers next to the cloud.

 

 

 

Gilda: So, Dash, got any new moves in your tricktionary, or are you 100% old school?

 

Rainbow Dash: New moves? Heh, sit back G.

RD flys off while saying, "this is gonna take a while."

 

 

Gilda says, "Hey Pinkie, c'mere." while motioning for Pinkie to get closer.

 

Pinkie Pie: Yeah?

 

 

 

Gilda informs Pinkie that while she is around the pony is going to respect Dash's choice of who she wants to spent time with.

 

 

Gilda: Don't you know how to take get lost for an answer? Dash doesn't need to hang with a dweeb like you now that I'm around. You're dorkin' up the skies, Stinkie Pie, so make like a bee and BUZZ OFF.

 

Gilda grabs the blades of Pinkies contraction sending it out of control.

 

Pinkie Pie: *gasp* Whaaa-aaa!

 

Pinkie Pie crashes, then goes to Twilights to complain that Gilda is keeping her from nagging Rainbow Dash until she gives in, like she does before Gilda showed up

Then Gilda finally manages to get Pinkie to do what Dash asked.

Pinkie goes to Twilight and complains that Gilda is keeping her from pushing Dash around like she did before Gilda showed up.

 

 

We return to Gilda as Dash and her and finishing their lesson.

 

 

Gilda Spots a vegetable cart

 

 

and it cuts to a close up of Granny walking by the cart

 

 

Up pops Gilda's tail, Granny crys out, "Aaah! A rattler, a rattler! Run for the hills! Everybody for save yourselves!" and runs fore her life a snails pace.

 

 

Gilda's head pops out from behind the cart and Gilda pokes a tomatoish looking fruit on the cart with her tail and goes, "This stuff ain't fresh dude"

 

 

Cut to Pinkie spying on Gilda and accusing her of being mean to Granny Smith.

 

 

Cut to Gilda walking in front of some ponies at a cart while we hear Pinkie remind herself what Twilight said.

 

 

Cuts to a close up and two buckets of apples that is now between the two ponies where the cart was.

 

Gilda grabs on apple from a bucket and pops it in her mouth.

Cut back to Pinkie as she thinks this is a prank too but then decides she was right at the start and Gilda is a meanie.

As far as we know Gilda was looking to the change she dropped from pay for the apple we see her eat. Admittedly it gives me the impression Gilda was trying to steal an apple when Granny spots her tail and mistakes it for a snake.

 

The points it it is not just the continuity error that makes it hard to tell what happens other than Pinkie Pie decides not to like Gilda.

 

Now we have the infamous Flutterfly meets Gilda scene.

 

Fluttershy: Alright little ones, this way, this way. Mama duck, you're free and clear.

 

Fluttershy backs into Gilda

 

Gilda: Hey.

 

Fluttershy: Please excuse–

Gilda interrupts Fluttershy by saying, "I'm walkin' here."

 

Fluttershy: Oh, um, I'm sorry. I-I-I was just trying to...

"...Get these ducks run over." seriously, Fluttershy guides a duck family safely through Ponyville by leading them straight into on coming traffic. Now that triple A writing...

 

 

Gilda: [mockingly] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Why don't you just watch where you're going, doofus?

 

 

Fluttershy backs over the duck family. "B-b-b-but I... I..."

 

Gilda breathes in.

Gilda roars.

Fluttershy runs away sobbing.

Fluttershy lead the duck family into on-coming traffic then tramples them with her own hooves!

 

That's not Fluttershy that's a yellow bellied, yellow pegasus duck murder!

 

and Gilda rightfully called her on it.

 

Now for the party. as TailsAlone said else where:

This is a tough one. It's the one time in MLP that Pinkie disliked another pony, and she really didn't like her. I have a hard time believing that the barrage of embarrassing pranks Gilda walked into at the party was just a coincidence, and I don't blame her for not buying it either. If you recall, Rainbow Dash claimed that she was the one who set them up and Gilda "just happened" to walk into them all. That's possible, but not very probable. My secret theory is that Pinkie innocently went to Dash for some fun prank ideas, but SHE was the one who set them up at the party and led Gilda on from one to the next.

Now the Golden Rule is "do unto others as you would have them to onto you."

If someone had thrown Pinkie that party and made sure Pinkie started in all the pranks she would have loved it.

 

I think it's reasonable for Gilda to think that Pinkie is responsible for the pranks.

oops I was so busy defending my favorite pony I forgot to blame Dash for everything.  

 

 

 

 

But who did manipulate Gilda into setting them off?

Dash admits that Pinkie Pie doing the hoof-buzzer was her idea.

The trick birthday candles and spitting snakes in the present.  Who did Dash think would be the victims?

and Dash is the one that tells Gilda to go for the dribble glass which looks nothing like the rest of the cups

Which means the only one Gilda just happen to stumble on was the Peppered lemon drops.

 

Gilda doesn't do anything to Spike when he eats his why threw Gilda's birthday cake. Despite the fact that it obviously irritates her.

Gilda's response to Spikes disregard to food hygiene and disrespects to the other party goers.

Gilda's response to the relighting Birthday candles prank.

 

 

 

Gilda treats Pinkie as well as Dash treats Pinkie until Pinkie ignores both Dash's and Gilda's attempts to get Pinkie to leave them alone for the flying lessons.

 

Pinkie ignores Dash request to leave them alone;

then Pinkie ignores Gilda's gently ditching Pinkie;

then Pinkie gets Dash to call Gilda a lier;

then Pinkie ignores Gilda not so gently ditching Pinkie;

It's only then that Gilda goes all out on Pinkie it when telling Pinkie she won't let Pinkie boss Dash around again.

 

Gilda may have treated Pinkie a bit harsh but Gilda has no reason to suspect Pinkie is a really a draconequus(or however you want to explain Pinkie's Pinkieness.) Pinkie doesn't treat Gilda how a normal pony treats some they want to be friends with.

 

Gilda repeatedly trys to have a discussion with Pinkie but Pinkie just goofs off and makes jokes.

 

With Fluttershy, Maybe Gilda is upset that Fluffershy is putting the ducks life in jeopardy with her carelessness. or maybe she a Fluttershy fan and is upset that this fake Fluttershy is ruining her good image.

 

Gilda doesn't go crazy on Spike.

 

It's clear that Gilda's problem with Pinkie is that Pinkie uses Dash as a door mate in this episode and refuses to do anything with her other than joke around. While Gilda does have anger management issues She shows she is trying and acts better that ether Dash or Pinkie in this episode.

Edited January 5, 2013 by DrAltaica

[Tall_But_Short_37 233]

I'm really confused on what you're saying here... You summarized the whole episode, but can you explain better what your actual point of all that was?

 

 

Now we have the infamous Flutterfly meets Gilda scene.

Fluttershy: Alright little ones, this way, this way. Mama duck, you're free and clear.

Fluttershy backs into Gilda

Gilda: Hey.

Fluttershy: Please excuse–

Gilda interrupts Fluttershy by saying, "I'm walkin' here."

 

Fluttershy: Oh, um, I'm sorry. I-I-I was just trying to...

"...Get these ducks run over." seriously, Fluttershy guides a duck family safely through Ponyville by leading them straight into on coming traffic. Now that triple A writing...

Gilda: [mockingly] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Why don't you just watch where you're going, doofus?

 

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Fluttershy backs over the duck family. "B-b-b-but I... I..."

Gilda breathes in.
Gilda roars.
Fluttershy runs away sobbing.

Fluttershy lead the duck family into on-coming traffic then tramples them with her own hooves!

 That's not Fluttershy that's a yellow bellied, yellow pegasus duck murder!

and Gilda rightfully called her on it.

 
Seriously, you're blaming Fluttershy for the duck incident? She's doing her best to try and clear the way for the ducks so the DON'T get trampled by traffic. If she's walking in front of them, carefully keeping them in line, any sensible or polite person would've just walked around her. Seriously, to blame Fluttershy for almost trampling them when it was GILDA'S ROAR that made her back up into them is ridiculous. I think you're stretching quite a bit here to defend some of Gilda's actions...
 

Gilda may have treated Pinkie a bit harsh but Gilda has no reason to suspect Pinkie is a really a draconequus(or however you want to explain Pinkie's Pinkieness.) Pinkie doesn't treat Gilda how a normal pony treats some they want to be friends with.

 

Whoa whoa whoa, where did that some from? Why are we suddenly comparing Pinkie to Discords species? You totally lost me there...

 

I recommend trying to summarizing everything you just said in that massive wall of text into just your main points so it's a little easier to understand.

 

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

You seem to be operating under several misconceptions about the episode. For example:

 

Pinkie antagonized Gilda:

She did bother Gilda by repeatedly trying to hang out with them. To be fair it was later. Gilda wanting to spend time alone with Dash is perfectly reasonable, however insulting Pinkie Pie and wrecking her helicopter rather than just asking for some space was a jerk move, and vastly disproportionate to the annoyance that Pinkie caused Gilda. As for "calling Gilda a liar" she complimented both of them and said that Dash barely won. Which I've heard that if you watch the scene in slow motion is true. Dash was disagreeing with Gilda before Pinkie showed up or said anything.

 

Pinkie set Gilda up for the pranks:

Rainbow Dash set up the pranks, they were not all meant for Gilda, and the end of the episode makes it clear that Pinkie Pie knew nothing about them. She said "I should have known, that dribble glass had Rainbow Dash written all over it" As a matter of fact she specifically tries to stop Gilda from slipping towards the end of the party.

 

Gilda respects who Dash wishes to spend time with:

Towards the end Gilda insults everyone at the party, says that she and Dash are way cooler than everyone else, and demands that Dash leave with her. That did not give me the impression that Gilda is thinking of what Dash wants, rather that Gilda is thinking of what Gilda wants.

 

Gilda did not mean to upset Granny Smith:

Quite possible, however she did seem to be about to laugh at it a second later, and made no effort to correct the misunderstanding or apologize. Apparently stealing apples was more important to her.

 

Gilda was right to go berserk on Fluttershy:

Well, the ducks had to get somewhere. There were many younger ducklings in the group and it was important for her to make sure none of them got lost or hurt. When she bumped Gilda she was extremely apologetic, never mind that Gilda could see her coming for several seconds in advance, knew that Fluttershy couldn't see her, and made no effort to get out of the way. In any case though, again Fluttershy was very apologetic and making her run crying off was vastly disproportionate to anything Fluttershy did if she did anything wrong at all.

 

Pinkie completely blew off Gilda at the party:

True, because Pinkie had no idea what Gilda was talking about. Pinkie threw the party to try to make friends with Gilda and didn't know about the pranks. Pinkie had absolutely nothing to hide the entire time.The goal was to get Gilda to have a good time, so she responded good-naturedly and acted like it was a game which she probably thought it was.

Edited December 31, 2012 by DashForever

[Jessper 735]

 

 

Oh my, I don't think overthinking actually applies here. You have taken it to some new level we have not yet named.

In this case, I believe it really is just that Gilda is a secondary character created for the sole purpose of being mean to everyone except for RD, just to show how RD will pick the Ponyville folks and defend them over old friend who is just evil to everyone around.

 

Also the "Born as such...", what I meant is that someone simply is an ass without being abused by parents, mistreated by friends and what not. Because it felt like that's what you were implying.

 

Also if you want to go deep like that, you should remember Pinkie is hyperactive, OCD, (maybe) split-personality and obsessed with fun and friendship. It's hard to imagine her having bad intentions  and frankly, you are making RD sound really stupid, which kind of brings me to the very first post about "hating" thread in cover. Except for probably the most elaborate yet. Also Flutter and the ducks, if I apply a little hype, that's like throwing someone through a window and then accusing them of breaking it.

Honestly, I have to ask you at this point - what are you trying to achieve here? I can't decide whether it's making RD and others look bad or Gilda look good.

Edited December 31, 2012 by Jessper

[DrAltaica 13]

I recommend trying to summarizing everything you just said in that massive wall of text into just your main points so it's a little easier to understand. 

• Gilda and Fluttershy are a lot like. Gilda's behavior in this episode is a lot like Fluttershy's in Putting Your Hoof Down
• Pinkie Pie isn't sinister.
• Dash is the worst friend ever.
• Anyone that has experienced the feeling of comely copelessness of depression can relate to Gilda.

Seriously, to blame Fluttershy for almost trampling them when it was GILDA'S ROAR that made her back up into them is ridiculous.

When is it establishes the Fluttershy has precognition?

The timeline is

13:21 Gilda goes, "I'm walkin' here."

13:23 Fluttershy starts backing up and goes, "Oh, um, I'm sorry. I-I-I was just-"

13:25 Gilda mocks her with "I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Why-" [and we cut from Gilda standing still to...]

13:29 Fluttershy reaches the ducks.  Gilda continues "don't you just watch where you're going, doofus?"

13:31 the last duck goes off screen

13:32 the duck sounds stop.

13:35 Gilda in hails. 

13:36 Gilda roars.

 

It's 7 seconds after Fluttershy start walking over the ducks that Gilda roars at her?

I think you're stretching quite a bit here to defend some of Gilda's actions...

You are ignoring what actually happens in the Episode to defend Fluttershy.

And it even as if Fluttershy was acting in character. Fluttershy stands up to and goes gilda(go gilda Idiom : to be curt and loose control of ones temper.) on a dragon, which she has a phobia of, but  curt griffon makes her walk over a family a ducks?

 

Whoa whoa whoa, where did that some from?

From:

 

 

Also, this was the first episode where I started to notice that, well, the laws of physics don't exactly apply to Pinkie Pie. Understatement of the century!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Why are we suddenly comparing Pinkie to Discords species? You totally lost me there...

 

Comparing Pinkie to Discord himself. Pinkie is basically a non-evil version of Discord.

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Oh my, I don't think overthinking actually applies here. You have taken it to some new level we have not yet named.

As I mentioned in the Thread for s01e05 I was suspecting something like:

Gilda was a character I could relate to with my struggle with depression and PDD-NOS

 

But then we have that plot twist, where Pinkie is the only one that trys to help Gilda and Dash ruins it.

In this case, I believe it really is just that Gilda is a secondary character created for the sole purpose of being mean to everyone except for RD

What did I say about the whole rigid, self-centered and simplistic thing?

 

They depict Gilda as severely depressed.... Like Mike Wallace put it, "It's like I'm going out of my mind, I feel so low, so...hopeless. No, copeless."

 

It like they go out of their why to show how copeless Gilda is.

, just to show how RD will pick the Ponyville folks and defend them over old friend who is just evil to everyone around.

RD will pick the Ponyvill and defend them over helping a friend with her problems.

Just like when she picks Cloudsdale and defend them over helping a friend with her problems.

 

Also the "Born as such...", what I meant is that someone simply is an ass without being abused by parents, mistreated by friends and what not. Because it felt like that's what you were implying.

I was implying Gilda was ass because she has suffering from depression and everyone telling her to "**** off and come back when she's happy" instead of actually helping her.

 

Also if you want to go deep like that, you should remember Pinkie is hyperactive, OCD, (maybe) split-personality and obsessed with fun and friendship. It's hard to imagine her having bad intentions  and

We know that because we watch MLP:FiM, Gilda doesn't. Gilda assuming Pinkie Pie is a remotely normal pony.

And when Gilda finally finds out Pinkie was genuinely trying to help her. She also learns the is was Dash who ruined Pinkie's attempt. To blame Gilda for ruining the party, if I apply a little hype, that's like throwing someone through a window and then accusing them of breaking it.

frankly, you are making RD sound really stupid, which kind of brings me to the very first post about "hating" thread in cover.

The show's writers make Dash sound stupid. I make her sound evil.

The post titled Why Fluttershy should punch Rainbow Dash at the end of Griffon the Brush Off?  How does that not hint at the Dash hating? You make is sound like I'm trying to sneak it in.

Except for probably the most elaborate yet. Also Flutter and the ducks, if I apply a little hype, that's like throwing someone through a window and then accusing them of breaking it.

How is just standing there mocking Fluttershy forcing her to back over the ducks? Glida is standing still when we cut to close-up of Fluttershy trampling duck and we don't she Gilda until halfway through the carnage.

Honestly, I have to ask you at this point - what are you trying to achieve here? I can't decide whether it's making RD and others look bad or Gilda look good.

I making RD look bad and Gilda and Pinkie Pie look good.

[Jessper 735]

They depict Gilda as severely depressed.... Like Mike Wallace put it, "It's like I'm going out of my mind, I feel so low, so...hopeless. No, copeless."

 

That's the thing, I don't see Gilda having a problem, Gilda IS the problem. You are seeing dept in very flat character.

 

RD will pick the Ponyvill and defend them over helping a friend with her problems. Just like when she picks Cloudsdale and defend them over helping a friend with her problems.

 

Just like Rarity will love a piece of stone, Fluttershy will bully everyone, Applejack will turn into sarcastic compulsive liar and Pinkie will be a downer. Because they totally weren't doing opposite of what they believe in after "Discord's touch".

You cannot possibly be using that as an argument. 

 

I was implying Gilda was ass because she has suffering from depression and everyone telling her to "**** off and come back when she's happy" instead of actually helping her.  

Where do you even get that info? Why is she in depression? When does it say that? Or are you trying to say everyone who's an ass  does have some deeper problems? 

 

We know that because we watch MLP:FiM, Gilda doesn't. Gilda assuming Pinkie Pie is a remotely normal pony. And when Gilda finally finds out Pinkie was genuinely trying to help her. She also learns the is was Dash who ruined Pinkie's attempt. To blame Gilda for ruining the party, if I apply a little hype, that's like throwing someone through a window and then accusing them of breaking it.

Well, ok, I don't see how could anyone perceive Pinkie and absolutely normal, but I'll give you that. You seem to be missing a very important point tho, the pranks weren't for Gilda, it's just that she pushed everyone else away from all games and tried to eat/drink everything before anyone else got to it. As such triggering all the pranks herself. How very convenient to overlook this rather bad behaviour that actually caused her to get pranked over and over at the first place.

 

The show's writers make Dash sound stupid. I make her sound evil. The post titled Why Fluttershy should punch Rainbow Dash at the end of Griffon the Brush Off?  How does that not hint at the Dash hating? You make is sound like I'm trying to sneak it in.

Honestly, I'm not even sure why I keep answering, since you actually admit you just spin and make up stuff just to reach a conclusion you came to beforehand.

 

How is just standing there mocking Fluttershy forcing her to back over the ducks? Glida is standing still when we cut to close-up of Fluttershy trampling duck and we don't she Gilda until halfway through the carnage.

Now you're just trolling and you know it. What's next? Gilda roared at Fluttershy to save the ducks she was trying to stomp to death? 

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

I have decided to not reply to this thread any longer. I have stated my points repeatedly, and tried to make them clear only to have them ignored. I will say it one more time: Gilda treated Rainbow Dash's friends like garbage and then tried to force Dash to choose between her and the rest of her friends. Rainbow Dash decided to stay with the friends that were being bullied, not the bully. Rainbow Dash is not responsible for Gilda being a jerk. Fluttershy did not mistreat Gilda, in fact it is rather plain that Gilda was the antagonist in that encounter

 

I am done. Goodbye.

[Tall_But_Short_37 233]

When is it establishes the Fluttershy has precognition?

The timeline is

13:21 Gilda goes, "I'm walkin' here."

13:23 Fluttershy starts backing up and goes, "Oh, um, I'm sorry. I-I-I was just-"

13:25 Gilda mocks her with "I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Why-" [and we cut from Gilda standing still to...]

13:29 Fluttershy reaches the ducks.  Gilda continues "don't you just watch where you're going, doofus?"

13:31 the last duck goes off screen

13:32 the duck sounds stop.

13:35 Gilda in hails. 

13:36 Gilda roars.

 

It's 7 seconds after Fluttershy start walking over the ducks that Gilda roars at her?

You are ignoring what actually happens in the Episode to defend Fluttershy.

And it even as if Fluttershy was acting in character. Fluttershy stands up to and goes gilda(go gilda Idiom : to be curt and loose control of ones temper.) on a dragon, which she has a phobia of, but  curt griffon makes her walk over a family a ducks?

 

 

Okay, you are correct there. I was wrong in how exactly it happened. In that case, let me revise my statement.

 

"Seriously, to blame Fluttershy for almost trampling the ducks when it was Gilda bumping into her and scaring her that made her back up into them is ridiculous."

 

The point still stands that Gilda was rude in bumping Fluttershy, and it was because of that that Fluttershy almost hit the ducks. You say Fluttershy was being careless, however the opposite is true. Fluttershy was very focused on keeping the ducks safe. However, when Gilda bumped her, all that focus was shattered because she was overtaken by the fear of this big and unknown creature  behind her yelling at her. Fluttershy is afraid of her own shadow, and you expect her not to lose her train of thought and try to back away when a big griffon in standing right in front of her yelling at her.

 

Also, Fluttershy getting mad at the dragon was a completely different situation then this. In that case, she got mad because this dragon had hurt her closest friends who are basically her family. In Gilda's case, she gets mad because an innocent pony accidentally bumped into her, an incident which Gilda herself could've very easily prevented. They're two completely different situations.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Gilda is a horrible character, she's an ass throughout the entire episode. Some people are just naturally jerks and there's nothing you can do about it. Gilda is that way, at least from the backstory we can gather about her. I think the whole point is that as opposed to the other ponies, Gilda isn't really Rainbow Dash's "friend" so to speak.

[Starswirl the Trixie 975]

Well, with @dashforever gone I might as well jump in to defend best Pegasus.

 

OP sniiiiiip

 

 

Let me go through your logic.

 

1) Gilda is only "mean" because she's isolated.

2) To become nicer, she should be treated nicer.

3) Gilda erupting on Pinkie at the party was a result of her social isolation and lack of nice treatment.

4) Rainbow defending Pinkie was not a response to help Gilda in the long-term.

5) Fluttershy wants people to be helped.

6) Therefore, because Fluttershy wants to help people and Rainbow Dash may have been unwittingly encouraging Gilda to be a bigger jerk, Fluttershy should punch Rainbow.

 

 

Point number 6 just...doesn't follow.  The previous points are either accepted or easily debatable...but even assuming them true I fail to see how the conclusion works at all.  Dashey's reaction against Gilda was provoked and perfectly justifiable; whether it was good for Gilda's long term emotional health isn't clear and is not particularly important.  I was going to write more to refute the claim, before I realized that there isn't much of a claim I can refute.  

 

Now, on the other hand, if you had said "Pinkie should punch Rainbow Dash", I may have conceded the argument because...welll...Pinkie logic is scientifically unfalsifiable.

 

Edited January 2, 2013 by Starswirl the Goateed

[DrAltaica 13]

Where do you even get that info? Why is she in depression?

Pinkie Pie Besides Pinkie's expert opinion that Gilda just needs to turn her frown upside down.

Symptoms of Depression that Gilda shows:

Anger or irritability. Feeling agitated, restless, or even violent. Her tolerance level is low, her temper short, and everything and everyone gets on her nerves.

 

Reckless behavior. She takes the apple and isn't paying attentions to where she is walking when she runs into Fluttershy.

 

Self-loathing. Strong feelings of worthlessness or guilt. There's the fact that Gilda doesn't seem to have a problem with Pinkie Pie until Pinkie makes Dash laugh. and that Gilda is vary thin skinned when Pinkie makes jokes at her expense.

 

We see Gilda happy a few times but it doesn't seem to take much to snap her out of it.

 

Well, with @dashforever gone I might as well jump in to defend best Pegasus.

 

 

 

Let me go through your logic.

 

1) Gilda is only "mean" because she's isolated.

2) To become nicer, she should be treated nicer.

Right on those two.

3) Gilda erupting on Pinkie at the party was a result of her social isolation and lack of nice treatment.

I got distracted defanding my favorit Pink pony and forgot to mention why Dash is the real villain.

 

Who did manipulate Gilda into setting them off?

Dash admits that Pinkie Pie doing the hoof-buzzer was her idea.

The trick birthday candles and spitting snakes in the present.  Who did Dash think would be the victims?

and Dash is the one that tells Gilda to go for the dribble glass which looks nothing like the rest of the cups.

Which means the only one Gilda just happen to stumble on was the Peppered lemon drops.

3)Gilda erupting on Pinkie at the party was a result of Dash going to far with her pranks.

4) Rainbow defending Pinkie was not a response to help Gilda in the long-term.

Else where I put it like:

My problem with Dash's confronting Gilda at the end....

Dash starts with "So I guess I'm queen lame-o." (trying to make you lose your cool) then after Dash tell Gilda that she is the one responsible for the pranks she doesn't apologize to Gilda.

Instead Dash makes excuses, "They weren't all meant for you specifically," then redirects blame to Gilda, "you set them all off." And "And you sure didn't need any help making a fool of yourself." sounds a bit vindictive when with out that prelude

 

"You know, this is not how I thought my old friends would treat my new friends. If being cool is all you care about, maybe you should go find some new cool friends someplace else." It sounds like more of Dash trying not to take responsibility for going to far with the pranks.

 

What is Gilda supposed to do after that, tell Pinkie, "I'm sorry, I'd assumed this winged blue donkey was my friend and not a douche. oh and the rest of you, you are way cooler the Rainbow Dash."?

4) Dash doesn't let Pinkee take the fall for her but isn't willing to take responsibility for playing the pranks on Gilda.

5) Fluttershy isn't oblivious to other peoples feelings.

6) therefore Fluttershy would have let Dash know that Dash messed Pinkie's attempt to be nice to Gilda and treat Gilda badly.

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this is completely off topic but.

 

Now, on the other hand, if you had said "Pinkie should punch Rainbow Dash", I may have conceded the argument because...welll...Pinkie logic is scientifically unfalsifiable.

 

hmm....

Pinkie should shove a stick of dynamite up Rainbow Dash's @$$.

1) exploding fireworks are fun.

2) enemas are fun.

3) Skittles.

 

 

Pinkie logic is scientifically falsifiable.

[Jessper 735]

Pinkie Pie Besides Pinkie's expert opinion that Gilda just needs to turn her frown upside down. Symptoms of Depression that Gilda shows: Anger or irritability. Feeling agitated, restless, or even violent. Her tolerance level is low, her temper short, and everything and everyone gets on her nerves. Reckless behavior. She takes the apple and isn't paying attentions to where she is walking when she runs into Fluttershy. Self-loathing. Strong feelings of worthlessness or guilt. There's the fact that Gilda doesn't seem to have a problem with Pinkie Pie until Pinkie makes Dash laugh. and that Gilda is vary thin skinned when Pinkie makes jokes at her expense. We see Gilda happy a few times but it doesn't seem to take much to snap her out of it.

 

Hey, good job ignoring all the points I made. I totally didn't expect that.

Either way you are making baseless assumption there. What you listed are symptoms of many things. Like, the symptoms of being an ass. Plus she didn't even have half of them. Most people don't even get violent, loud and angry with depression.

 

But hey, this is a bit repetitive. You like one secondary character, I don't. Just don't combine it with hating thread, it's really not necessary.

 

Fun fact: I think I actually dislike Gilda because of the way she talks, rather than the part about her being and ass. You know, the "cool" way. 

[Scootalove 10,689]

I don't really think Fluttershy would want to punch Rainbow Dash. Gilda might have been acting like a ass, and made all the ponies hate her, plus she made Fluttershy cry.

But, anyway Fluttershy punching Dashie should not happen.

[Stellafera 3,836]

But, anyway Fluttershy punching Dashie should not happen.

 

Unless there's some kind of continuation of Putting Your Hoof Down where she goes back to being Meanieshy. The reaction in that case, however, should be "WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT FOR I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DID THAT YOU MONSTER", not

 

 

Even if Rainbow Dash was directly and intentionally being mean to Fluttershy, which she is not at all here, punching her would be a serious jerk move.

 

The trick birthday candles and spitting snakes in the present.  Who did Dash think would be the victims?

 

She was doing it as a joke. Just like how Pinkie and Dash played pranks on other ponies earlier in the episode. Dashie is a prankster. She thought it'd be funny.