Theory "It's About Time" Questions and Theory

[Lightning Fluttershy 1,844]

it was her own attempt to stop the chain that started it. as she when back to tell her self not to do anything. it caused the loop to start and seeing as they are the same twilight they will make the same choice to try and stop the chain. thus causing to happen in the first place. 

But she would need some motive for the original Twilight to have to go back. There was no Twilight before her to come back and tell her to.

[hawkflame 3,310]

Guys, it's called a stable time loop.  It's not a new idea in science fiction, and it makes sense given that it follows one of the theories on the way time flows.  And that is the idea that time only flows in one direction, You can't change the past, since the past already happened, and the more you try to change it, the more it's going to happen that way anyway. 

 

There's no beginning or end to the loop, it just *is*.  It doesn't repeat over and over again, it's a single loop that just happens once.  "Present" Twilight being visited by "Future" Twilight in the beginning and Twilight traveling back in time at the end are not different iterations of twilight traveling through time.  They are literally the same event. 

[Fanglore 141]

thats what im trying to say is that if in the future she never decided to go back it never would have happened in the first place. it would have just been a normal day but as she did decided. it created the events that lead up to the moment of do i time travel or not.

 

in my opinion its not the present that decides when we will time travel but the moment we have the option of yes or no. if you chose yes it will always be yes but if you chose no its only that one no

Guys, it's called a stable time loop.  It's not a new idea in science fiction, and it makes sense given that it follows one of the theories on the way time flows.  And that is the idea that time only flows in one direction, You can't change the past, since the past already happened, and the more you try to change it, the more it's going to happen that way anyway.    There's no beginning or end to the loop, it just *is*.  It doesn't repeat over and over again, it's a single loop that just happens once.  "Present" Twilight being visited by "Future" Twilight in the beginning and Twilight traveling back in time at the end are not different iterations of twilight traveling through time.  They are literally the same event.

 

YESSSS finally someone who understands what iv been trying to say. i wish i could have said it like that from the start  now you look like the smart one and im just rambling 

[hawkflame 3,310]

But she would need some motive for the original Twilight to have to go back. There was no Twilight before her to come back and tell her to.

 

That's the thing with a Stable Time Loop, or Bootstrap Paradox.  It doesn't *need* an original motive, it just exists by itself.

 

Another perfect example is in Futurama, where because of time travel, Fry is actually his own grandfather.

[XUNUSEDXXX 3,459]

Guys, it's called a stable time loop. It's not a new idea in science fiction, and it makes sense given that it follows one of the theories on the way time flows. And that is the idea that time only flows in one direction, You can't change the past, since the past already happened, and the more you try to change it, the more it's going to happen that way anyway.

 

There's no beginning or end to the loop, it just *is*. It doesn't repeat over and over again, it's a single loop that just happens once. "Present" Twilight being visited by "Future" Twilight in the beginning and Twilight traveling back in time at the end are not different iterations of twilight traveling through time. They are literally the same event.

See, that doesn't make sense to me. Let me evaluate.

 

When Twilight is visited by her future self, she has a conscience, right? And after future Twilight leaves, she still has a conscience, right? Why doesn't it work the same way at the end of the episode? When the Twilight we've been watching the whole show goes and visits her past self, past Twilight has a conscience. Following the pattern at the beginning of the episode, even after Twilight leaves, past Twilight still has a conscience, right? How would get conscience and existence just disappear when Twilight's time spell runs out? That wouldn't follow the pattern we saw earlier, and also wouldn't make sense.

 

Also, I don't really agree with the fact that she never had a true motive to go back in the past. It doesn't make sense at all. Everything starts somewhere, future Twilights don't just appear from nothing.

[hawkflame 3,310]

See, that doesn't make sense to me. Let me evaluate.

 

When Twilight is visited by her future self, she has a conscience, right? And after future Twilight leaves, she still has a conscience, right? Why doesn't it work the same way at the end of the episode? When the Twilight we've been watching the whole show goes and visits her past self, past Twilight has a conscience. Following the pattern at the beginning of the episode, even after Twilight leaves, past Twilight still has a conscience, right? How would get conscience and existence just disappear when Twilight's time spell runs out? That wouldn't follow the pattern we saw earlier, and also wouldn't make sense.

 

Also, I don't really agree with the fact that she never had a true motive to go back in the past. It doesn't make sense at all. Everything starts somewhere, future Twilights don't just appear from nothing.

 

See, this is the problem.  You're thinking of them as two separate Twilights.  They're not.  They're the same Twilight from two different points in time.  It's like the idea that the "me" from 10 minutes ago is the same person as the "me" right now.  The two of them talking to each other doesn't change or invalidate any of this.  Explain why them meeting each other makes them two different people, instead of the same person meeting his past or future self. 

 

Twilight's conscience is never "lost" or "created" in this scenario, because they are the same person with the same conscience. 

 

As far as the "true motive" thing goes, there is a motive.  That "true motive" was to go back and tell Twilight to not freak out about the future so much.  What there isn't, is an *original* motive that kickstarted the process, because there never was a starting point to begin with.  Why does there have to be an original motive?  Why, when it comes to time travel, does everything have to start somewhere?  You have to think about these things fourth dimensionally, and try not to get influenced by the normal, "logical" passage of time. 

 

See the thng is, you're thinking of time travel as being like some kind of infinite coil, with a definite starting point and going around and around.  But the logic behind this scenario is that it's more like a ring.  A ring is just one single loop with no starting point or end point. 

Edited January 13, 2013 by hawkflame