Ideal elements for the ponies?

[Leafeon 2,702]

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Well; I don't know about all of you, but I find that the elements of harmony are a bit... off. 

 

Rarity is the element of generosity, but she is rarely generous. I believe she was supposed to be the element of inspiration originally, actually. Which would fit her much better.

 

Rainbow isn't really very loyal. She's generally napping when she should be working.

 

Any others opinions on this? 

 

(If you're wondering why I'm asking this, it's for rewriting my favorite ponies list.)

[King 5,625]

Well Twilights fits her fairly well, same with Pinkie Pie. Id say Rainbow Dash is more Bravery than Loyalty...

Fluttershy is kind, so Id say hers fits her...

 

Im not sure about Rarity tbh... Id have to say inspiration sounds more like her in my humble opinion....

Edited March 23, 2013 by Dawn Rider

[~Scootaloo 440]

Rarity is the element of generosity, but she is rarely generous.

 

Ya I noticed that too, but I don't really mind it being a tad bit off.

 

Here is how I would have placed them personally:

 

Rarity - Kindness (Rarity is almost always kind and collected to friends)

Rainbow Dash - honesty (she is normally very blunt with friends, but she is honest)

Applejack - Loyalty (she always tries to be there for her friends and family)

Pinkie Pie - Laughter (do I really need to explain this one?)

Twilight Sparkle - Magic (do I really need to explain this?)

Fluttershy - generosity (she is always very generous to her animals and friends)

Edited March 23, 2013 by ~Scootaloo

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Twilight Sparkle-Magic

Rarity-Foreign Accents Creativity

Applejack-Racism Honesty

Pinkie Pie-Laughter

Fluttershy-Kindness

Rainbow Dash-Loyalty (She IS very loyal to her friends, as shown in the pilot episode)

Edited March 23, 2013 by ♥Harmonic Revelations♥

[Leafeon 2,702]

Rainbow Dash-Loyalty (She IS very loyal to her friends, as shown in the pilot episode)

Rarity was very generous in her pilot episode. I'm talking about in general. Rainbow doesn't seem very loyal very often, IMO, though she can be. Just like Rarity.

[An Old Head 4,816]

A lot of these elements can be broadly applied. I'll take Generosity as an example - when she's not being literally generous, she can appreciate generosity as well. Secret of My Excess, for example, that ending monologue about how she is grateful for acts of generosity over any other thing. It can be both application and acceptance.

 

Loyalty's another one that can be broadly applied - it can be loyalty to others, but it can also be loyalty to yourself. For instance, Wonderbolt Academy is an episode where Rainbow Dash showed loyalty to her own ethics, while Hurricane Fluttershy is an episode where Rainbow Dash showed loyalty to her friends. Sure, she can defy her element, but so do the rest of the Mane 6. Applejack isn't always honest and humble; Pinkie Pie isn't always happy and full of laughter, etc.

 

The one Element that I do take issue with is the element of Magic. It may be to make an eponymous tribute, but the other Elements are friendship values. At a stretch, you could say that you can't make a good relationship unless you're a unicorn I'd still put it this way.

 

Twilight Sparkle - Element of Leadership

Everyone else - same elements.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Rarity was very generous in her pilot episode. I'm talking about in general. Rainbow doesn't seem very loyal very often, IMO, though she can be. Just like Rarity.

Loyalty is different from responsibility. For example, Rainbow Dash is always there for her friends, but she doesn't always take her duties very seriously. 

 

I'll list their negative traits, then:

 

Twilight Sparkle-Closed-Mindedness

Pinkie Pie-Care-free

Fluttershy-Reluctanct nature

Rainbow Dash-Arrogance

Applejack-Perfectionism

Rarity-Vanity

Edited March 23, 2013 by ♥Harmonic Revelations♥

[Leafeon 2,702]

A lot of these elements can be broadly applied. I'll take Generosity as an example - when she's not being literally generous, she can appreciate generosity as well. Secret of My Excess, for example, that ending monologue about how she is grateful for acts of generosity over any other thing. It can be both application and acceptance.

 

Loyalty's another one that can be broadly applied - it can be loyalty to others, but it can also be loyalty to yourself. For instance, Wonderbolt Academy is an episode where Rainbow Dash showed loyalty to her own ethics, while Hurricane Fluttershy is an episode where Rainbow Dash showed loyalty to her friends. Sure, she can defy her element, but so do the rest of the Mane 6. Applejack isn't always honest and humble; Pinkie Pie isn't always happy and full of laughter, etc.

 

The one Element that I do take issue with is the element of Magic. It may be to make an eponymous tribute, but the other Elements are friendship values. At a stretch, you could say that you can't make a good relationship unless you're a unicorn I'd still put it this way.

 

Twilight Sparkle - Element of Leadership

Everyone else - same elements.

This is the kind of answer I love. ^^ 

 

I understand why Twilight's the element of magic and all, but I agree. Leadership would make much more sense.

[An Old Head 4,816]

Loyalty is different from responsibility. For example, Rainbow Dash is always there for her friends, but she doesn't always take her duties very seriously. 

 

I'll list their negative traits, then:

 

Twilight Sparkle-Closed-Mindedness

Pinkie Pie-Care-free

Fluttershy-Reluctanct nature

Rainbow Dash-Arrogance

Applejack-Perfectionism

Rarity-Vanity

 

Are you sure Applejack is a perfectionist? She is very headstrong - I would say her main negative trait is being too headstrong - but Applejack settles for less than perfect a lot of the time.

[~Chaotic Fireball~ 499]

Rarity: Inspiration

Pinkie: Joy

Applejack: Helpfulness

Twilight: Magic

Rainbow Dash: Bravery

Fluttershy: Generosity (she is very generous)

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Are you sure Applejack is a perfectionist? She is very headstrong - I would say her main negative trait is being too headstrong - but Applejack settles for less than perfect a lot of the time.

She is a bit too stressed about impressing other ponies, like in the episode where she runs away because she loses the contest because she didn't want them to know she did not come in first place.

[Pulcinella 1,016]

Harmony:

Twilight Sparkle: Magic

Rarity: Inspiration

Fluttershy: Kindness

Rainbow Dash: Bravery

Apple Jack: Honesty

Pinkie Pie: Laughter

 

Natural Elements:

Twilight Sparkle: Water

Rarity: Darkness

Fluttershy: Wind

Rainbow Dash: Fire

Apple Jack: Earth

Pinkie Pie: Light

 

Tae Kwon Do:

Twilight Sparkle: Self-Control

Rarity: Perserverence

Fluttershy: Courtesy

Rainbow Dash: There's only five.

Apple Jack: Integrity

Pinkie Pie: Indominable Spirit

Edited March 23, 2013 by Party_Cannon

[An Old Head 4,816]

She is a bit too stressed about impressing other ponies, like in the episode where she runs away because she loses the contest because she didn't want them to know she did not come in first place.

 

That's more a pride thing than a perfectionism thing. Even then, I'm sure Applejack wouldn't have minded them knowing she didn't come first. For Applejack, it's playing fair that counts. What she was actually worried about was not returning with the prize funds to rebuild the town hall, which she had promised to Ponyville she would do.

[Shanks 10,816]

She is a bit too stressed about impressing other ponies, like in the episode where she runs away because she loses the contest because she didn't want them to know she did not come in first place.

I don't think Applejack is interested so much in trying to impress others which is more Rarity and Rainbow Dash's style albeit for different reasons, but that she has a very strict code of honor. In my opinion the strictest of any of the mane 6 making her a perfectionist in a sense that she can often push herself too hard and not just physically. In the Last Roundup she ran away not because of what other ponies think but because of what she thought was a moral failing on her part to keep a promise she made to herself and Ponyville that she would win the prize money to repair the town hall.

 

The only ponies who Applejack seems to care about "impressing" are her family and her closest friends. Case in point is Apple Family Reunion, though it wasn't explicitly stated in the show I think much of the reason why Applejack tried way too hard to make everything perfect was because she felt an obligation to honor the memory of her dead parents.

Edited March 23, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

It's brilliant, really.

 

The Element of Magic (the ability to overcome differences and form friendship) is rigid and sometimes unable to see pass small matters, Loyalty is selfish, Generosity is greedy, Honesty is not always as frank as she needs to be, Kindness has major anger management problems and enables bad behavior, and the dismay dissolving power of Laughter can easily annoy others and exacerbate problems.

 

I really like the whole ying yang thing going on here. It makes character more interesting and establishes an internal battle between harmony and the sometimes necessary but ultimately destructive bad stuff.

 

Deep.

 

Also:

Spike is Devotion, Applebloom is Discovery, Sweetie Belle is Innocence, Scootaloo is Perseverance, Cadence/Shining Armor double-team it as Love.

Edited March 23, 2013 by CITRUS KING46

[pinkiefan1287 610]

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Well; I don't know about all of you, but I find that the elements of harmony are a bit... off. 

 

Rarity is the element of generosity, but she is rarely generous. I believe she was supposed to be the element of inspiration originally, actually. Which would fit her much better.

 

Rainbow isn't really very loyal. She's generally napping when she should be working.

 

Any others opinions on this? 

 

(If you're wondering why I'm asking this, it's for rewriting my favorite ponies list.)

 

I get where your coming from. Rarity does show more inspiration then generosity, but the elements are about friendship. I'm just don't see inspiration being apart of the elements of friendship. Inspiration would be more of a personal element of her's and what makes up Rarity as a pony.

 

Also I feel like the 6 don't have to represent their elements 24 hours a day. Like Pinkie is laughter and makes ponies feels better. But what if she's sick one day or just in a bad mood. Do we expect her to still get out of bed and make ponies feel happy about themselves when she is not feeling well?

 

So if they are going to represent different elements they have to still fall in the category of friendship. 

[kirbyboi 588]

I honestly think Rarity and AJ should switch elements. 

 

Although AJ can be honest at times, there have have been numerous times where she was so generous to the mane six and offered up her time to cheer them up, or to give them apples/apple treats. Rarity can be honest all the time about fashions, and her opinions can be very straightforward, and she tells her friends her problems. 

 

The rest of the mane six live up to their element pretty well, but RD kinda fails to show loyalty at times, but other than that their pretty good with their elements.

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

I actually think Rainbow embodies loyalty very well. Yes, she can be insensitive to her friends at times, and she does often show little interest in her job that she is almost comically overqualified for, but when friends are about to lose their livelihoods, dragons are attacking, Celestia is preparing to punish certain ponies who went of of control, etc, Rainbow will often be the first to drop everything and come to help. Furthermore, as Harmonic said earlier, loyalty also is related to principles. This picture illustrates it perfectly. 

 

 

She didn't hesitate to sacrifice her life's dream when she thought that continuing to follow it would require her to do callous and wrong things. That demonstrates remarkable strength of character.

 

 

On another note, Rarity as the Element of Inspiration makes loads of sense. I also like the idea of Spike as Devotion. 

[dreaper 136]

 

Pick your favorite element. There is a lot of them to choose from!

 

I'm picking the row of noble gases for the mane 6

 

Twilight = Xenon

Rarity = Radon

Pinkie Pie = Helium

Rainbow Dash = Neon

Fluttershy = Argon

Applejack = Krypton

 

And Spike is of course Palladium  

[Twinhead B 482]

Rarity WAS originally the element of Inspiration, not Generosity. Her element was changed during conceptualization because her element was considered to be "too tough for kids to wrap their head around". So, Lauren changed her to be the element of Generosity, and gave her a very generous demeanor. Her previous element; Inspiration and it's comperable personality quirks were left unchanged, hence why Rarity is also the most appreciative of the arts, and was shown to have made the costumes for her school play.

 

Rainbow Dash on the other hand, is totally the element of loyalty. She defended Fluttershy despite being outnumber by the bullies, opted to save Rarity instead of continuing her routine in Sonic Rainboom, and even chose her friends over becoming a Shadowbolt in the pilot.
 

[Addem Up 246]

This is the kind of answer I love. ^^ 

 

I understand why Twilight's the element of magic and all, but I agree. Leadership would make much more sense.

But... but... friendship is magic!

 

That's how I've always interpreted it. Twilight's friendship is the focus of the show; hell, it's in the title. And it's thanks to her that the mane six were brought together so closely.

[Sunset Spark 60]

Rarity is the element of generosity, but she is rarely generous. I believe she was supposed to be the element of inspiration originally, actually. Which would fit her much better.

 

Rainbow isn't really very loyal. She's generally napping when she should be working.

When has Rarity ever been selfish? Easy, when Discord turned her over.

I count more times when Rarity has been generous than when she has been selfish, whether of her own mind than not.

The fact she isn't ALWAYS OUTWARDLY GENEROUS ALL THE TIME does not mean she isn't...

 

Loyalty has little or nothing to do with work ethic.

(in most cases, definitely including Rainbow Dash's particular setup)

 

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You may see differently, but there's one subtle difference between the elements for the Mane6.

 

Twily is the element of Magic. (which also consitutes element of Friendship, if you want to call it that)

- Used and practiced as a daily chore for her.

- She has friends.

 

Pinkie is the element of Laughter.

- Despite being a party animal, she doesn't quite laugh very much, nor does she often need to cause it.

 

Applejack is the element of Honesty.

- Practiced EVERY TIME SHE TALKS, so it's quite easily emphasized.

 

Fluttershy is the element of Kindness

- This element, like honesty, is usually displayed as an attitude rather than personality.

- Her element is shown through her daily actions rather than brought up specifically.

 

Rarity is the element of Generosity

- This is a curious element, considering that Generosity simply means to be the opposite of selfish...

- Randomly going around giving things away isn't generous. That's just charitable.

- However, as far as I can recall, Rarity has generously forgiven and given her time and value to others.

 

Dash is the element of Loyalty

- Like Generosity, it isn't something shown through daily activities.

- Instead, loyalty is something that is tested during dire situations or when it is called for.

- Loyalty is something that is proven through challenges.

- Unless you expected Rainbow Dash to run around pledging loyalties to everypony every other minute, how are you questioning her loyalty?

 

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Spotted the difference, yet?

Indeed. Not all the elements are qualities that are always externally displayed at all times.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Sunset Spark

[Sugar Cube 4,843]

With the exception of Twilight Sparkle's Element of Magic, I think each of the others have "broken" out of their element a time or two. To be fair, I don't think all of these elements can be displayed 100% of the time. That's just being perfect, and not believable in any way.

 

- Pinkie Pie had a huge meltdown in Party of One, and was doing anything but smiling and laughing. I find this to be understandable due to how she felt, and she was quick to bounce back to her old self.

 

- Fluttershy is consistently kind, with the only exceptions being her meltdown in The Best Night Ever, and in Magic Duel, where she was borderline threatening to Twilight due to her fear of any harm coming to her animals. I think we can forgive Fluttershy. We all know she wouldn't lay a hoof on anypony. These moments were done more for comedic effect than anything.

 

- Applejack has probably been the worst at sticking to her element, at least honesty in the literal sense. She has lied many times to spare another one of her friend's feelings, and she was lying all around in The Last Roundup. Applejack embodies other meanings of honesty. She is certainly very true to herself and who she is. She doesn't always tell the truth, but who does? I think when push comes to shove though, she is about as honest as it gets.

 

- Rainbow Dash has demonstrated loyalty many times, but there have been a few questionable moments. You could argue that, when she more or less told Gilda to take a hike, she wasn't being a loyal friend. I can definitely let Dash slide on that, because of how Gilda treated her other friends. The more questionable action was in The Last Roundup, when Dash refused to go back and get Rarity and Pinkie Pie. This was slightly disappointing, because Dash said in the second episode that she would never leave her friends hanging. Well Dash, that's exactly what you did to Rarity and Pinkie.

 

- Rarity has demonstrated great generosity in the first two episodes, as well as Suited For Success and other episodes. However, Rarity has a tendency to think more of herself at other times, as seen in Sisterhooves Social, where she had trouble giving in to Sweetie Belle, as Applejack had stated. That, and the end of A Canterlot Wedding where Rarity shrieks "It's mine!" as she catches the wedding bouquet. Again, she was thinking more of her own personal gain. But, we know how bad Rarity wants to meet the stallion of her dreams and get married, so she got a little bit carried away is all. She's still the one who is the quickest to devote her time to her friends, so I think she's still the top candidate for generosity.

 

So like I said, they all have their moments, but that's what makes them believable characters. I think they all demonstrate their elements better than any other pony can.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Sugar Cube

[Scootalove 10,689]

I think the ideal elements for the Mane 6 would have to be:

 

Magic - Twilight Sparkle: The ability that all Unicorns have.

 

Kindness - Fluttershy: Unless she starts to rage, but she is very kind to animals.

 

Loyalty - Rainbow Dash: Sometimes she is lazy, but she erases that fact by being loyal to her friends.

 

Honesty -  Applejack: She can overcome being dishonest, until Discord used the Element of Dishonesty.

 

Laughter - Pinkie Pie: Even when sad, she can still put smiles on everybody's faces.

 

Generosity - Rarity: Her very funny dramatic moments aside, she can be very nice and generous.

[dekutree64 713]

I really like the whole ying yang thing going on here. It makes character more interesting and establishes an internal battle between harmony and the sometimes necessary but ultimately destructive bad stuff.

Agree. The elements as they are, are well chosen and well executed. Nopony's perfect, but they come through when it counts. And there's more to their personalities than just representing their element.

 

And just for fun, how about the elements of war?

 

Twilight- element of strategy

Fluttershy- element of intimidation (she wins her battles by staring down and scolding her opponents)

Rarity- element of disguise

Rainbow Dash- element of attack

Applejack- element of honor

Pinkie Pie- (really this is the whole point of this post) the element of surprise