Is it possible to have alicorn offspring for non-alicorns?

[Onylex 2,837]

WARNING: This post may contain MLP:FiM episode spoilers!

 

Does anypony remember the S2 Ep.12 Baby Cakes episode? Well, this particular episode has made me a very curious pony. In this episode for the first time you see Mr. & Mrs. Cake's new born babies Pound cake, and Pumpkin cake. The thing that really caught my attention in this episode was how both Mr. & Mrs. Cake are earth ponies but, Pound cake is a pegasus and Pumpkin cake is a unicorn.

 

Now I know you could just say that Mr. Cake explains this by saying that his great-great-great-great-grandfather was a unicorn and that Mrs. Cake's great-aunt-second cousin-twice removed was a pegasus but, I also took note that right after he explained how thats possible he still questions it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9VGVxsSeyk

 

So this lead me into narrowing down two things. One, Mrs. Cake cheated on Mr. Cake (which I doubt) or two, that it really is possible for a Pegasus, Earth pony or, Unicorn couple to have opposite offspring. And if it is that case that Pegasus, Earth pony, or Unicorn couples are able to have opposite offspring is it also possible for an alicorn to be born in the same way that Pound cake and Pumpkin cake were born or is it only possible to become an ailcron through royalty like Princess Cadence and magic like Twilight?

 

So do you think Im giving this a little to much though? Im really curious to know what everyponys thoughts are on this.

 

EDIT: added a voting pole. 

Edited July 30, 2013 by Onylex

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,632]

I highly assume no, because being an Alicorn is apparently something that has to be earned, in whatever way. So being born as one normally is probably not possible.

[Sir.Flutter Hooves 2,953]

 

WARNING: This post may contain MLP:FiM episode spoilers!

 

Does anypony remember the S2 Ep.12 Baby Cakes episode? Well, this particular episode has made me a very curious pony. In this episode for the first time you see Mr. & Mrs. Cake's new born babies Pound cake, and Pumpkin cake. The thing that really caught my attention in this episode was how both Mr. & Mrs. Cake are earth ponies but, Pound cake is a pegasus and Pumpkin cake is a unicorn.

 

Now I know you could just say that Mr. Cake explains this by saying that his great-great-great-great-grandfather was a unicorn and that Mrs. Cake's great-aunt-second cousin-twice removed was a pegasus but, I also took note that right after he explained how thats possible he still questions it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_hb5s6G4pY

 

So this lead me into narrowing down two things. One, Mrs. Cake cheated on Mr. Cake (which I doubt) or two, that it really is possible for a Pegasus, Earth pony or, Unicorn couple to have opposite offspring. And if it is that case that Pegasus, Earth pony, or Unicorn couples are able to have opposite offspring is it also possible for an alicorn to be born in the same way that Pound cake and Pumpkin cake were born or is it only possible to become an ailcron through royalty like Princess Cadence and magic like Twilight?

 

So do you think Im giving this a little to much though? Im really curious to know what everyponys thoughts are on this.

 

This is actually a really good question I was wondering myself. These are my thoughts:

 

1. Mrs.Cake did cheat on Mr.Cake. You could tell how nervous Mr.Cake was when explaining the whole Unicorn and Pegasus thing.

 

2. Two out of the four Alicorns in the series were born that way (Celestia and Luna) and the other two (Cadence and Twilight) were given their alicorness. I don't think non alicorns (earth, unicorn, and pegasi) can have alicorns. You either have to be an alicorn to give birth to an alicorn (which would be rare even then) or be given the Alicorn title by Celestia.

 

 

Or Pinkie could put on wings and a horn and become one.

 

Edited July 29, 2013 by Sir.Flutter Hooves

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

I highly assume no, because being an Alicorn is apparently something that has to be earned, in whatever way. So being born as one normally is probably not possible.

Just what I was going to say. 

 

But being a Unicorn/Pegasus/Earth Pony is obviously not a matter of separate species, but more along the lines of breeds within a species, but not so much that you get a half-unicorn.

 

I must ponder pony genetics.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Questioner

[ReGen 1,466]

I'm guessing that it's a genetic thing. I think it's that pony genes work in a way that whether the offspring is an Earth Pony, Unicorn, or Pegasus is completely determined by random.

 

Alicorns, on the other hand (or hoof, for that matter), seem to be more of a rank than actual race. So that's a no from me. 

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

Sometimes I wish people can stop saying that Mrs.Cake cheated on Mr.Cake...it just sounds like a delusional assumption to me, considering this is a kids show. Just because Mr.Cake questioned himself, doesn't mean anything. How do we know he was just making sure his facts were straight? I'm going to accept the fact that it's genetics....so until I see further evidence, it's nothing more but genetic's at it's best. -_-

Edited July 29, 2013 by Nature Of Fluttershy

[Scootalove 10,689]

I'd have to say no, they would have to be the same race: Alicorn so I don't think that non-alicorns can have alicorn offspring since they aren't mating with a alicorn. It has something to do with genetics and cross breeding, and since non-alicorns can't produce alicorn offspring without their partner being an alicorn then, it isn't possible.

[Mr. Critical 434]

I think the alicorn genes are seperate altogether, or it's an artificial form that must be earned. I don't know, hopefully in season 4 they could shed some light on this subject.

[Fhaolan 4,484]

It depends on a lot of things we don't know. 

 

I wrote out a whole mess of things with genes, traits, and alleles, and then thought to myself 'I'm not really helping much with this mess', and decided to leave it alone for now. 

 

Basically we don't have enough information on how alicorns actually blend the traits together, and whether it's possible to have a pegasis/unicorn or a pegasis/earth pony or a unicorn/earth pony true blending that is not ending up in a alicorn three-way blending. We don't even know if the alicorn is a blending, or if the traits are additive yet. It's implied that they're additive, but it technically possible that Twilight's unicorn abilities have actually been reduced, with the pegasis abilities taking up some of the 'space'. If so, she may have weakened versions of the pegasis and unicorn abilities. We don't even know if she's gotten any earth pony abilities out of the deal, because there's no visible evidence for earth pony abilities at all, and we've only seen her for three minutes or so. The other three alicorns haven't demonstrated anything particularly 'earth pony-ish' either for that matter.

 

So we're kinda stuck with a lot of speculation.

[Zygen 6,066]

Well as far as pony genetics go, I suppose different races can come from ponies, so Earth ponies can have unicorn babies, of course it doesn't make that much sense exactly in a way, but eh idk i don't even know much of anything about genetics really anyways.

 

As for Alicorns, I don't think Alicorns are born, I think like Twilight it is the type of thing bestowed on a pony for fulfilling something.

 

So I don't think an Alicorn can be born. Not from any methods of pony reproduction. They must be given the powers of an Alicorn. 

 

Thats just my headcannon though, and frankly i don't have alot of proof, besides the fact we've never seen an Alicorn born.

[Genepool 224]

Mrs. Cake cheated on Mr. Cake!

 

In all seriousness though, I don't think Alicorns are an actual race, more that they're some kind of "evolution" of sorts of regular ponies.  Only thing that irritates me is that we've seen a unicorn ascened and read about Cadence being a pegasus, but Earth ponies get the short end of the 3 way stick.  Still wondering if Luna was an earth pony, celestia was a unicorn and with Cadence, it forms a triangle of sorts.  Just hope Twilight doesn't ascend for a second time to become "princess of princesses" and all. 

[Onylex 2,837]

Sometimes I wish people can stop saying that Mrs.Cake cheated on Mr.Cake...it just sounds like a delusional assumption to me, considering this is a kids show. Just because Mr.Cake questioned himself, doesn't mean anything. How do we know he was just making sure his facts were straight? I'm going to accept the fact that it's genetics....so until I see further evidence, it's nothing more but genetic's at it's best. -_-

I agree with you completely. It would seem a little farfetched for Mrs. Cake to have cheated on Mr. Cake especially because its a children's show but, why does he instantly question his explaining for it? 

[Spiritual Nightmare 88]

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Excuse me, but you have the same username as my OC o-o

 

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WARNING: This post may contain MLP:FiM episode spoilers!

 

Does anypony remember the S2 Ep.12 Baby Cakes episode? Well, this particular episode has made me a very curious pony. In this episode for the first time you see Mr. & Mrs. Cake's new born babies Pound cake, and Pumpkin cake. The thing that really caught my attention in this episode was how both Mr. & Mrs. Cake are earth ponies but, Pound cake is a pegasus and Pumpkin cake is a unicorn.

 

Now I know you could just say that Mr. Cake explains this by saying that his great-great-great-great-grandfather was a unicorn and that Mrs. Cake's great-aunt-second cousin-twice removed was a pegasus but, I also took note that right after he explained how thats possible he still questions it.

 

 

So this lead me into narrowing down two things. One, Mrs. Cake cheated on Mr. Cake (which I doubt) or two, that it really is possible for a Pegasus, Earth pony or, Unicorn couple to have opposite offspring. And if it is that case that Pegasus, Earth pony, or Unicorn couples are able to have opposite offspring is it also possible for an alicorn to be born in the same way that Pound cake and Pumpkin cake were born or is it only possible to become an ailcron through royalty like Princess Cadence and magic like Twilight?

 

So do you think Im giving this a little to much though? Im really curious to know what everyponys thoughts are on this.

 

EDIT: added a voting pole. 

 

 

I honestly have been wondering this myself, so no, you haven't thought this too much.

 

See, if an Unicorn and a Pegasus were to *ahem* do a reproduction, the chances ARE slim, but you could possibly get an Alicorn out of it.

I'm surprised no one thought of how Luna and Celestia were born o-o

I highly doubt that they had an Alicorn dad, as Alicorns are pretty rare to find (except for Luna and Celestia o-o)

But IF, and just IF, there were an alicorn mum and pa, the chances of having TWO alicorn children is very slim.

But, I was about to apply physics to a kid's show.

Continue~

[Ihei 713]

I doubt that it would be possible to have alicorn offspring for non-alicorns. After all, even if their great-great-great-great-great grandmother was a alicorn, then the rest would've inherited the royalty, and they would've been alicorns themselves, like Luna and Celestia. Also, another example is Princess Skyla, who inherited the royalty from Cadence. Like a monarchy. 

[~Sole~ 852]

Well technecally it should be easily possible. If you consider it for a sec, what if a pegasi and a unicorn had a child? Exactly. Its more then likely that it could happen. In fact, I think it'd make a great episode.

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

Becoming an alicorn is earned by a previous alicorn who believes they have achieved a high enough rank in life to become one.

 

Despite the Mr. and Mrs. Cake incident, with others like pegasi and unicorns, yes, but alicorns, not at all. 

[pinkiefan1287 610]

Does anypony remember the S2 Ep.12 Baby Cakes episode?

 

Yes, I do. Best episode of all time. Also it was episode 13.

 

As for the question most likely it is imposable for other pony families who aren't alicorn to have an alicorn child. To me alicorn is it's own species and can not be made, even if you have a pegasus father and a unicorn mother. You need to have alicorn in you already to make one.

 

I'm hopping in season 4 that Shining Armor and Cadence have a baby and it's the first alicorn baby born in a thousand years.

Edited July 30, 2013 by pinkiefan1287

[RrVPfX9cPtw59FpC 1,304]

Well, I think that being an alicorn is something that must be earned, but that brings up the question, what if two alicorn have a child? Or... wait, that's not possible. Alicorns have to be female (Princesses). Huh.

[Onylex 2,837]

Well, I think that being an alicorn is something that must be earned, but that brings up the question, what if two alicorn have a child? Or... wait, that's not possible. Alicorns have to be female (Princesses). Huh.

Yeah, I also thought about that too. Why aren't there any male Alicorns? I just assumed that there are but, maybe they have not popped up in the show or there are just extremely rare.

[RrVPfX9cPtw59FpC 1,304]

Yeah, I also thought about that too. Why aren't there any male Alicorns? I just assumed that there are but, maybe they have not popped up in the show or there are just extremely rare.

Well, I think that becoming an alicorn automatically makes you a princess. Or becoming a princess automatically makes you an alicorn. Well, that's interesting. 

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

I say no. In my own headcanon, if a pegasus had a foal with a unicorn, that would create a pegacorn, not an alicorn; ie, a regular pony who has normal unicorn magic abilities and can fly. But an alicorn is something different, something special and is finally something that must be earned.

[Onylex 2,837]

Sound like most people think that its not possible.

 

 

It is a cool though though. 

[MLPFanatic34 3,234]

So alicorns are basically made? I mean Celestia and Luna were born alicorns right? and according to a MLP book, Cadance was a pegasus, but then became an alicorn, and Twilight became an alicorn from creating a spell with friendship, the whole alicorn thing has me confused.

[UserNotFound 964]

Ok so I quoted you twice but I wanted to put forward MY explanation for these two points... Just my opinion...

 

Yeah, I also thought about that too. Why aren't there any male Alicorns? I just assumed that there are but, maybe they have not popped up in the show or there are just extremely rare.

  

 

Well I know it's an animation error but during the BBBFF sequence, one or two of the royal guard have both wings and a horn... So yah...

 

I agree with you completely. It would seem a little farfetched for Mrs. Cake to have cheated on Mr. Cake especially because its a children's show but, why does he instantly question his explaining for it?

 

And for this point... I would think that's because with such complicated ancestry, he was unsure of whether he got it right...mi question myself when I try to explain my relation to a distant family member, to let people know what I've said May not be exactly true... But it's the rough gist... So yeah... They probably added that in to make him seem more realistic... Not everypony is ace at remembering relatives

[DND 2,355]

I think so because there seems to be a pattern of how Alicorns came to be. With Cadance and Twilight ascending into Alicorn-hood from a Unicorn and a Pegasus and with Celestia and Luna being of no higher rank, it would make perfect sense if there was a balanced gene of all four races somewhere in their long heritage. After all, with there being Unicorns, Pegasi, and Earth Ponies coming together in one nation, something like that is bound to happen, and thus far, Celestia seems to be the first Alicorn.