Hating For The Sake Of Hating

[Shanks 10,816]

While it is only a handful of people one thing that annoys me is how some people just hate something for the sake of hating it. That is not to say that there aren't people with legitimate criticisms or reasons why they might dislike a character or an episode, but there are some people that just dislike something and just try to find whatever reason they can to hate on it they can find regardless of whether it is actually true or not or even makes the slightest bit of sense. There have been a lot of threads for example saying is *insert characters name here* A Mary Sue? The word has been thrown around so much that it is starting to just another way of saying "I don't like this character so I am just going to label them a Mary Sue" when a Mary Sue is clearly a character that is either so perfect that they are boring, so stupidly overpowered that it not even the slightest bit justified in the story, is a blatant self insert or even some combination of those factors or more. Two of those threads were about Rainbow Dash and Rarity when it is clear that they are probably the furthest a character could possibly be from Mary Sues.

 

I will admit that I was concerned about Twilight becoming a Mary Sue because of twilicorn, but I did give actual good reasons for it even if I did flip my shit about it a bit more than I should have at first. But there were some opponents  that had some ridiculous, completely unfounded reasons that made no sense like "she will outlives her friends" "she will leave her friends" and stuff like that. I am now currently neutral but do still sympathize with critics so long as they have good reasons.

 

There are two topics about Applejack made by the same user one of which saying that she hates and is afraid of magic, and the other saying that she is a racist neither of which has any truth to it whatsoever and again just smacks of "I don't like this character so I am just going to throw whatever at them until something sticks." I can respect that some people don't like certain characters but all I ask is that they give reasons, for Applejack even something like "I don't like southern accents" would have made more sense.I had rock bottom low expectations for Equestria Girls but didn't any rational reason why I or anyone else should have panicked about a mere spinoff. I gave it a shot though and liked it and for those that didn't I can of course respect that so long as they gave it a fair chance but the panicking about it was so over the top and unnecessary.

 

And there are the clopper haters, I can of course respect that rule 34 is not everyone's thing but the way so many have obsessed over peoples masturbation habits because "it makes us look bad" or "eww you jerk off to ponies" really screams insecurity to me. Every fandom has rule 34 but no other fandom I have ever been in or heard about has ever had such a large portion of it so vehemently scapegoat the segment of said fandom that indulges in the rule 34 side of it.

[FNGRpony 658]

Did someone call?  I think someone said hate.

 

Hi I'm For No Good Reason^^ pleased to meet you.

I made the thread and asked and argued the point "why should the title " mary sue be something that's inherently bad.

Why?  It's an established perception and i wanted to challenge it, because it wasn't one of my own.  I feel like many other things if handled poorly mary sue can be a terrible thing.

But i think if you had a good enough writer, you could make it work.  But posters had to believe mary sue has to suck so posters can't kept changing the rules on what it is to be a mary sue.

This from the same people when religion cookie cutters everything into being satanic, cherry picked the term at all costs into "it has to be bad!"

 

But if you need to know why their are hates?

Plato's parable of the cave.  their are strains of people would rather kill you than change.  This a fact of life.

there are also people who would rather die than stay stagnated.

 

it's a wonder we as people are this peace ful no?  ^^

Edited December 14, 2013 by FNGRpony

[Argumedies 1,748]

Mostly because there are those out there who just like to stir the pot till it burns. Most of it is just irrelevant ego banter mostly to see what comes of it rather then making justifiable content or meaningful conversations

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

It's either trolls or people just trying to impress people by looking intelligent or something. That's the way I always saw it.

 

Sad, pointless thing, really. Nothing positive is ever accomplished from it; it only leads to fighting and people getting hurt., and that's either because they wanted fighting or they wanted to look smart and opinionated. Sad, sad thing, dude

Edited December 14, 2013 by ~Sadistic ghostfk39~

[FNGRpony 658]

Mostly because there are those out there who just like to stir the pot till it burns. Most of it is just irrelevant ego banter mostly to see what comes of it rather then making justifiable content or meaningful conversations

I thought pots burned because you didn't stir them?

[King Sejong 859]

   Yes, I have noticed that to, it seems like the lewd, cynical and bellicose fans have given much anguish to other bronies, the show and anything else they deem defenceless. There is quite a dedicated number of people that do go around looking to incite controversy, which often leads to division, so it would appear to observe bronies may become factional, like a subgroup or a wing if you will. It does concern me, there is much to this fandom I enjoy and for other fans the feeling mutual, we must be concious of the positive and the negative, the delicate balance is tipping for the perception that there is much hatred, it exists yet so so the congeniality, the bronies that try hard to strive with sympathy and compassion sentiment, thus are shunned by people that are into "Realism", all the while ignore the idealism many bronies have or want, for the expression of those feelings in art, music and writing. I have written from my heart, so I will end by saying, no matter what adversity we face in this life, the ponies represent the ardour satisfaction most of us are here for, as long as the fandom has good in it we must defend it, and it will blossom to the surface and bring much needed balance with courtesy.  

Edited December 14, 2013 by Emperor Peter

[FNGRpony 658]

It's either trolls or people just trying to impress people by looking intelligent or something. That's the way I always saw it.

 

Sad, pointless thing, really. Nothing positive is ever accomplished from it; it only leads to fighting and people getting hurt., and that's either because they wanted fighting or they wanted to look smart and opinionated. Sad, sad thing, dude

 

as apposed to dismissing it out of hand?  Cause that's totally not trollish?

 

 

There's a lack of understanding or even an attempt to understand which is why it happens.

[Argumedies 1,748]

I thought pots burned because you didn't stir them?

They do.. it just takes longer... which is exactly how these kinds of people want it.

 

The longer its out there, the more time to stew over it

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

as apposed to dismissing it out of hand?  Cause that's totally not trollish?

 

 

There's a lack of understanding or even an attempt to understand which is why it happens.

 

Um...can you word that a little better, dude? I sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, have no clue what you mean, or are trying to imply, or any of that. 

[FNGRpony 658]

   Yes, I have noticed that to, it seems like the lewd, cynical and bellicose fans have given much anguish to other bronies, the show and anything else they deem defenceless. There is quite a dedicated number of people that do go around looking to incite controversy, which often leads to division, so it would appear to observe bronies may become factional, like a subgroup or a wing if you will. It does concern me, there is much to this fandom I enjoy and for other fans the feeling mutual, we must be concious of the positive and the negative, the delicate balance is tipping for the perception that there is much hatred, it exists yet so so the congeniality, the bronies that try hard to strive with sympathy and compassion sentiment, thus are shunned by people that are into "Realism", all the while ignore the idealism many bronies have or want, for the express those feelings in art, music and writing. I have written from my heart, so I will end by saying, no matter what adversity we face in this life, the ponies represent the ardour satisfaction most of us are here for, as long as the fandom has good in it we must defend it, and it will blossom to the surface and bring much needed balance with courtesy.  

People are by nature are factional.

Look at the major religions of the world, they splinter and faction.  With out accept ion.

We as people,

I think you completely don't wanna get what fans want out of realism and that's the major problem amoung fans as digi and drowning horse shoes has pointed out.

 

Bronies don't empathize.

case in point in response to this post instead of trying to see or understand my point, and say "i don't agree"

it will either be ignored or people will seek to discredit it.

 

which is exactly proves my point.  It might be the fact tolerate doesn't call for understanding.

Acceptance would, but tolerance isn't acceptance.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

 

I think you completely don't wanna get what fans want out of realism and that's the major problem amoung fans as digi and drowning horse shoes has pointed out.

 

Bronies don't empathize.

 

Not all fans want realism, and some Bronies empathize, and some Bronies don't. 

 

Not everyone with similar interests thinks the same

[FNGRpony 658]

Um...can you word that a little better, dude? I sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, have no clue what you mean, or are trying to imply, or any of that. 

Well okay, ahem

"Nothing positive is ever accomplished from it; it only leads to fighting and people getting hurt., and that's either because they wanted fighting or they wanted to look smart and opinionated. Sad, sad thing, dude :("

Nothing positive as in you literally dismissed the action out of hand.  On the spot if you will.

there was no effort to grow from the experience.

 

You've seen magical duel right?  and i assume are least are aware of boast busters?

 

Didn't twilight in an essense learn to beat trixie using trixie's own tricks in magical duel just for example?

 

..heh i just got the thread back into show discussion.  Awesome ^^

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Well okay, ahem

"Nothing positive is ever accomplished from it; it only leads to fighting and people getting hurt., and that's either because they wanted fighting or they wanted to look smart and opinionated. Sad, sad thing, dude :("

Nothing positive as in you literally dismissed the action out of hand.  On the spot if you will.

there was no effort to grow from the experience.

 

You've seen magical duel right?  and i assume are least are aware of boast busters?

 

Didn't twilight in an essense learn to beat trixie using trixie's own tricks in magical duel just for example?

 

..heh i just got the thread back into show discussion.  Awesome ^^

Because nothing positive is ever accomplished from it. Just look around at some of the threads the OP mentioned. Nothing positive came out of those, just like nothing positive has ever come out of hate threads. And even if something has, it was overwhelmed by the amount of negativity.

[FNGRpony 658]

Not all fans want realism, and some Bronies empathize, and some Bronies don't. 

 

Not everyone with similar interests thinks the same

Look around the forum and watch when an argument breaks out.  the easy answer (lazy one) is someones trolling.

When i'm arguing with What  (the poster)about back ground ponies I really want them in.

and he really wants them out.

I understand why he doesn't want them in because he likes the show as is.

He doesn't understand why I want them in because he literally re asks "why do you want them in" every time we have the argument.

 

I can post why.  he might even read it, hell he might even remember it, but I don't think he grasps the why of it and might take it as if i'm saying "twilight sucks!"

(actually she's best pony right now but don't tell flutter shy).

Edited December 14, 2013 by FNGRpony

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Look around the forum and watch when an argument breaks out.  the easy answer (lazy one) is someones trolling.

When i'm arguing with What  (the poster)about back ground ponies I really want them in.

and he really wants them out.

I understand why he doesn't want them in because he likes the show as is.

He doesn't understand why I want them in because he literally re asks "why do you want them in" every time we have the argument.

 

I can post why.  he might even read it, hell he might even remember it, but I don't think he grasps the why of it and might take it as if i'm saying "twilight sucks!"

(actually she's best pony right now but don't tell flutter shy).

That's off topic, actually, because we seem to be discussing specific pony hate on this topic, and it seems like you 2 are just having debates about how the show is being run.

 

I'm just gonna say if someone hates Rarity, I don't care. I don't care how other people think of the ponies, because it's simply not my business to try and change how people think. I can only think for myself. 

 

However, the topic of this thread has created a ton of tension in this community, and when Bronies are trolling each other as such, it makes us no better than the people who hate us for watching the show. That's something I have a huge problem with, and it's been really prevalent around here as of late.

[Argumedies 1,748]

People are by nature are factional.

Look at the major religions of the world, they splinter and faction. With out acception

Aint that the truth.

 

A lot of this is just human nature and its not just here in the Brony community.

 

Love it or hate it, we are who we are.

[Shanks 10,816]

I can post why.  he might even read it, hell he might even remember it, but I don't think he grasps the why of it and might take it as if i'm saying "twilight sucks!"

While misunderstandings and miscommunications can sometimes occur there are also some people that are so stubborn that they will only see what they want to see. Some twilicorn supporters did dismiss all critics of twilicorn offhand as if they were doing little more than saying "Twilight sucks" when in fact there were many well known fans of Twilight Sparkle who criticized it because they felt it was too soon, felt the finale was flawed and was introduced poorly. All valid criticisms even if there is a small minority of those critics that did in fact just hate on it for no good reason some of them because their fears got the better of them and never got out of panic mode and an even smaller minority of which do in fact dislike Twilight Sparkle and just want to hate on her.If anything one thing I have noticed about twilicorn is that the strongest opinions one way or the other tend to be from fans of Twilight Sparkle The fact is indeed that people who dismiss any criticism off hand even if it is valid are also hating for the sake of hating albeit in a different way.

Edited December 14, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[FNGRpony 658]

That's off topic, actually, because we seem to be discussing specific pony hate on this topic, and it seems like you 2 are just having debates about how the show is being run.

 

I'm just gonna say if someone hates Rarity, I don't care. I don't care how other people think of the ponies, because it's simply not my business to try and change how people think. I can only think for myself. 

 

However, the topic of this thread has created a ton of tension in this community, and when Bronies are trolling each other as such, it makes us no better than the people who hate us for watching the show. That's something I have a huge problem with, and it's been really prevalent around here as of late.

Actually i'm guessing he thinks it's twilight hate I have no idea why.

If he's pro status quo i'm assuming it's in defense of twilight (at least i feel that's a reasonable guess).

 

as for the rarity thing.  we're in a forum.  Debate, discuss.  here

 i wanna give an example of a fantastic response from shadobabe http://mlpforums.com/topic/82002-is-applejack-wary-of-magic/page-2

 

i thought he(or she) made a mis step about winter wrap up when i thought i heard the event

is

1 not about magic

2 earth ponies magic is working with the earth.

So i pointed this out, and I admit it's an inconsistency, and yes I was going to stir that up, because it would have made for an awesome discussion for something i never even considered.

Thoughts would have been had, debates would have incurred, fun would have happened,

 

but politely, and with no malice of Shadobabe i got utterly buried in that posters next reply.

 

A clash of perceptions can happen,

there can be one clear winner, and one clear loser,

 

but for that to happen one or both posters have to understand the discussion itself is the reward.  It's not something to be feared but embraced.

Aint that the truth.

 

A lot of this is just human nature and its not just here in the Brony community.

 

Love it or hate it, we are who we are.

I may risk getting banned,

 bronies are humans. 

our biggest problem aren't that we're different is that we're the same as most people once you get past the pony stuff.

While misunderstandings and miscommunications can sometimes occur there are also some people that are so stubborn that they will only see what they want to see. Some twilicorn supporters did dismiss all critics of twilicorn offhand as if they were doing little more than saying "Twilight sucks" when in fact there were many well known fans of Twilight Sparkle who criticized it because they felt it was too soon, felt the finale was flawed and was introduced poorly. All valid criticisms even if there is a small minority of those critics that did in fact just hate on it for no good reason some of them because their fears got the better of them and never got out of panic mode and an even smaller minority of which do in fact dislike Twilight Sparkle and just want to hate on her.If anything one thing I have noticed about twilicorn is that the strongest opinions one way or the other tend to be from fans of Twilight Sparkle The fact is indeed that people who dismiss any criticism off hand even if it is valid are also hating for the sake of hating albeit in a different way.

i hated the final but i'm fine with alicorn twilight.

Just to many songs ^^.  wings or not she's still our twilight.

 

okay that sounded terribly sappy, i'm gonna go watch an mma fight brb (LOL) that got a little to nice for my comfort zone.

Edited December 14, 2013 by FNGRpony

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Actually i'm guessing he thinks it's twilight hate I have no idea why.

If he's pro status quo i'm assuming it's in defense of twilight (at least i feel that's a reasonable guess).

 

but for that to happen one or both posters have to understand the discussion itself is the reward.  It's not something to be feared but embraced.

First one: I'm going to be honest, you've earned a reputation for yourself in that category Whether it's actual hate or not, I dunno, so I'm not saying you're wrong and he's right, or vice versa; just it can be a bit of an understandable assumption. Is it good to assume things? No, but we do it anyway. Human nature.

 

Second one: It isn't something to be feared, but the way people have acted about it has made it that way. I'm scared to click on any Rarity topics anymore, just because of things like this; I do it anyway, though, because I can't ignore it

 

I'm also a little wary to receive a PM out of nowhere from someone that isn't on my friends list, because I've gotten a bit of hate mail for my admiration of Rarity during my short time here. (Less than two months.) 

 

It is something to be embraced, not feared, but we've made it to where it's impossible for it to be anything else. 

 

The rest, no argument. I'll agree from what I read.

Edited December 14, 2013 by ~Sadistic ghostfk39~

[Argumedies 1,748]

Its one thing to dislike something to the point of hate but its another thing to just throw hate into things just for the hell of it and to stir up reactions from others.

 

They say that everyone has a right to their own opinions and there are those who have legitimate reasons to dislike things like Twilycorn and Derpy and I for one, who may disagree with them, can understand the validity of their reasons.

 

Its those who use this as a justification for their own falicys or an excuse to create contention in abuse of the right of opinion is the frustrating part which I believe what the OP's point is on the subject

[FNGRpony 658]

I enjoy (I have to explain this as i know your rapidly hitting report on all my posts )

I enjoy keeping a discussion going.

 

And good?
The name is
For No Good Reason.  Pay attention.  I love to assume things.  Assumptions don't have to be cast in stone, it's why we have things called "first impressions."

take kimi sparkles  my first impression was "what a dumb B####."

and on closer inspection it's a cheeky troll.  I became slightly amused.  After really putting alot thought into it,

i can safely say My first reaction is valid, but for different reasons.

Now was that worth the effort?

If i stopped at the first impression i would have let assumption dictate my reality, when really it's a place holder.

 

I keep telling you i don't hate rarity.

If i come of as scathing and brutal,

that's how i roll.

Remember discord screwing up flutter shys name

and alot flutter shy-discord fans were furious "He FORGOT HEr Name RRRRRRR RAGE!"

I think he didn't.  I think he was being brutal, because that's who he is.

 

Now if you wanna read that any number of ways including your standing original hypothesis,

even if that's true, i like seeing points made even if their unpopular.

 

I can't tell you you have to enjoy what i do,

but i can choose to enjoy your reaction regardless of it's positive or not.

 

that's called going with the flow.

I do just as easily say things to make people smile,

And i'll have you know I love laughter.

 

It's why i said keep your head up your getting your rarity episodes this season.  it's a for gone conclusion.

 

further more i'm assuming we're getting along right now.

But I also know your two faced.  not assume.  KNow.

First one: I'm going to be honest, you've earned a reputation for yourself in that category Whether it's actual hate or not, I dunno, so I'm not saying you're wrong and he's right, or vice versa; just it can be a bit of an understandable assumption. Is it good to assume things? No, but we do it anyway. Human nature.

 

Second one: It isn't something to be feared, but the way people have acted about it has made it that way. I'm scared to click on any Rarity topics anymore, just because of things like this; I do it anyway, though, because I can't ignore it

 

I'm also a little wary to receive a PM out of nowhere from someone that isn't on my friends list, because I've gotten a bit of hate mail for my admiration of Rarity during my short time here. (Less than two months.) 

 

It is something to be embraced, not feared, but we've made it to where it's impossible for it to be anything else. 

 

The rest, no argument. I'll agree from what I read.

Edited December 15, 2013 by FNGRpony

[Shanks 10,816]

They say that everyone has a right to their own opinions and there are those who have legitimate reasons to dislike things like Twilycorn and Derpy and I for one, who may disagree with them, can understand the validity of their reasons.

I can understand twilicorn as I have said before but Derpy is one thing I have never been able to understand, I just don't like how most of the Derpy critics have claimed to speak on behalf of the disabled when they aren't even bothering to actually listen to all the disabled people who actually like Derpy and have yet to offer any suggestions for how Derpy could be considered less "offensive" while still being her. Ponyecho is so far to his credit the only Derpy critic I have ever spoken with that has offered any such suggestions which while I don't agree with all of them are at least a good start. For these reason I think that most Derpy critics are hating for the sake of hating and because of their complete and total lack of respect. I myself have Autism and while I am not mentally retarded the doctor who diagnosed me incorrectly diagnosed me as such and I have been called names like "stupid" and "retard" many many times in the past and I don't appreciate people trying to speak for me as they automatically know exactly what I am going to say without giving me a chance to actually speak and make up my own mind. People say they are "offended" but I think that in many cases people will take offense if they want to. I think this one youtube video I posted on the subject and I know I have posted it a lot really sums up my opinion on this matter better than I could do justice here.

 

http://mlpforums.com/blog/456/entry-4581-derpy-is-not-offensive/

[Scootalove 10,689]

They just love to stir the pot, just wanting attention, and think that explaining things can not clarify their point at all. Hating something for the sake of hating it with no substance or reason, really does baffle me.

[Static Electricity 729]

There are two topics about Applejack made by the same user one of which saying that she hates and is afraid of magic, and the other saying that she is a racist neither of which has any truth to it whatsoever and again just smacks of "I don't like this character so I am just going to throw whatever at them until something sticks."

That is true. And it isn't. There is no evidence against it, and too little evidence to get anything conclusive.

 

Therefore, it is wrong to claim that she is or isn't. This is better left to headcanons.

 

Also, just because someone calls a character a bad thing doesn't always mean they dislike the character.

[FirestormCAN 246]

Haters gonna hate. As simple as it sounds, there's always gonna be one numbskull in the pack who find it amusing to bug the hell out of people around him with hatred for no apparent reason. Just another case of human irrationalism.

 

But what really brings my piss to a boil are "reasons" that people hate on something that have no evidence or logic to support them. It's one thing to hate on something because, well, you hate it, but there are some that make me want to smack people in the back of the head for.

 

"They've ruined my headcanon! The show writers are cruel to fanfiction writers!" If you're so worried about your ideas not making it into the show, why don't you apply to be a writer for the show then? Sorry, but with that kind of attitude, I doubt anyone would want to hire you. You're more concerned about your own fanfics and webcomics instead of what's been shown. As we speak there are people going apeshit over the fact that Scootaloo is not homeless, Daring Do is real and the origins (not to mention the removal) of the Elements of Harmony. And it won't be the end of it as Season 4 rolls along. You know what any respectable writer would do when their headcanon is shot down? LABEL IT NON-CANON. Headcanons are "what-if" scenarios; they're meant to be speculation about what may or may not be shown in the series. They are not meant to be used in the actual season, and if they're put in, it's just a huge coincidence as they can't use fan-written material. Do us all a favor and suck it up. That goes especially for the shippers around here.

 

"This character is a Mary Sue! They're so OP they're shit!" Do these people even know what "Mary Sue" means? Survey says not freakin' likely. It's defined as a character who's so perfect, there's no need for them to endure any sort of conflict whatsoever, 'cause they can just deal with the problem single-handedly and with little effort. Rarity is a terrible example of a Mary Sue, 'cause despite being all lady-like, even she loses her poise once in a while ("Dress for Success" or "Sweet and Elite" ring a bell to you guys?) . Even Princess Cadance, probably the closest thing to the Mary Sue as we can get, can have a bad day. Why? She was practically killing herself trying to keep the Sombra out of the Crystal Empire. No Mary Sue wouldn't look so worn out from that ordeal. The only ones you'd most likely see are OCs who've been given way too many good traits to the point they've become boring and worthless. The writers are smarter than this, quit accusing them of making them while you're more likely to make one yourself.

 

"Lauren Faust would've done this so much better. Meghan is a terrible leader!" ...how do you know? Is Lauren like, your goddess or something? Well allow me to share some news with you: she's gone and she's not coming back. Even if she did stick around, would the episodes be any better? I would honestly doubt it. 'cause even the best writers can have an off day. You have to work the best of what you've got, and this is what we have to get used to with the current DHX staff. Also, what gives you people the right to bash on Meghan for not living up to Faust's vision? Need I remind you that both ladies have to work with Hasbro so they're able to produce the series in the first place? Hasbro's insistence on heavier toy marketing was the main reason she left the series. The pressure was just too much for her, so she handed it over to a dear friend of her's. Meghan's been doing her damned best to make both fans and kids happy under orders from Hasbro. And with the way fans tend to act, it's a very stressful job. I'm amazed she's been able to stay strong despite all the rampant hatred she gets. You go girl!

 

You want to tell me you hate something about the show or the fanbase? Then give me an actual reason for hating it. One that's logical and has evidence to support your reasoning. Saying "I hate this because I hate it" satisfies none of these criteria.