Anyone else very dissatisfied with these five episodes?

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

I've been watching this discussion and since Twilight is being discussed I feel that I have to say something, after "Bats!".

 

I feel that something snapped inside of me with that episode...

 

I'm loving this season. If not for some nitpicks and "Daring Don't" I would be starting on the paperwork to make the writers the official gods of mankind, but Twilight is pissing me off! I don't know if the writers have ANY clue about what they are doing with her. IT's the same with Celestia and Luna. They don't know how to handle their situations. Sure Luna got more development, but that is all.

 

The finale for season 3 tells us that Twilight is ready to step up as an equal to Celestia, Luna and Cadance. So is she? Does anyone remembers me bitching about that? I said that there two ways they could deal with this: Twilight is treated like royalty by everypony, except her friends or everypony ignores the fact that she is a princess. They went with the second, except for the guard asking Twilight for directions (either for the sake of formalities or because the Royal Guards are braindead zombies animated by their armors) and the ponies pointing at her in panic. After that, the title of Princess is completely ignored.

 

So what was the point of her being crowned and turned into an alicorn?! It makes no difference except that the animators got lazy and called "dark magic" as "alicorn magic" and we got a few jokes about how awkward Twilight is with her wings. Well, I expected her to learn pretty quickly how to fly, but I digress... Twilight supposedly mastered both the arts of magic and friendship.... But she ignores that the spell she is using might have unwanted effects while she proceeds to ignore her friend's educated information about the problem AND joins her other friends in bullying the one pony she knows has problems with being pressed into submission.

 

But even before that, even though the plan was to use the damn Elements of Harmony, a plan that, sine qua non, requires ALL SIX OF THEM TOGETHER, she agrees to leaving the other five. Who is supposed to understand those specific magical artifacts in this very basic level?? Who is supposed to be a fucking leader that seems when others are spewing BS into their course of action?

 

I feel that Celestia, Luna and Cadance need to take turns beating Twilight with her crown until her wings fall off. Because she sucks as a princess and as an student right now. She is acting like those students that know everything in the day before the test and as soon as they leave the classroom, they forgot everything they ever learned!

 

Another thing that pissed me off in this season was that they lost the Elements of Harmony. Sure, it was necessary and the important thing is their friendship. I hope that is the case, but when they lost the Elements every single one of them became Twilight's sidekicks. The only reason they are important is because they are friends with the princess right now: the Elements were what I like to call their Badges of Office. They embodied those virtues of what makes them good friends. I thought that they were more important than Celestia and Luna by a long shot. Because while the two alicorns rule Equestria, the Elements told other ponies "These here ponies are the shit! Do what they do." This worked because the ponies didn't need to get all worked up around them: it wasn't an official title of nobility (though I think that they should have been recognized to some level).

 

Now that the Elements are gone, Twilight is this stupid princess that doesn't have a clue about what she is doing, being followed by these ponies that are nothing special. Applejack is just some farmer that may be just be mediocre, Fluttershy is the town's veterinarian, Pinkie is the weirdo that works in the bakery, Rarity is the local seamstress and Rainbow Dash is just some good flier that works with the weather teams but is not even within the elite of equestrian fliers.

 

All the sense of wonder is gone. Equestria is a great place, but it's because of the ponies in general, the ubiquitous magic all over Equestria, The Crystal Empire, the benevolent and competent rulers. The Mane Six are just there and Twilight sticks out like a sore thumb among the Princesses. I feel like the show should become My Little Pony: Adventures of Daring Do, a story about how Daring Do saves the day in issues ignored by the rulers while five funny ponies follow the incompetent princess.

 

I think I feel  better now.

[Static Electricity 729]

And people wonder why I accuse the anti-twicorn movement of just nitpicking and bitching for the sake of it.....

 

Also, make up you'r damn mind. First y'all complain about the major changes it could bring to her personality and place in the show, then ya complain about her not changing enough. 

The problem is there are major changes that do not even impact the plot.

 

Also, here's my refute to your nitpicking argument:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrBiDELfaKk

[Linux Distro 109]

I guess it's too bad I'm still on season 2

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

The problem is there are major changes that do not even impact the plot.

 

Also, here's my refute to your nitpicking argument:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrBiDELfaKk

 

Yes, I'm aware of that video and agree with it.

 

But at the same time he's using examples of things that are actually pretty huge when you find them, not "her freakin' neck is to long"

 

So which is it then? Do you guys want change or not? When it was first announced everyone was complaining because it was a big change to her character and show to take it, and now that it didn't completely overhaul the show you guys are wanting that change to happen. 

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

 

 

The finale for season 3 tells us that Twilight is ready to step up as an equal to Celestia, Luna and Cadance. So is she? Does anyone remembers me bitching about that? I said that there two ways they could deal with this: Twilight is treated like royalty by everypony, except her friends or everypony ignores the fact that she is a princess. They went with the second, except for the guard asking Twilight for directions (either for the sake of formalities or because the Royal Guards are braindead zombies animated by their armors) and the ponies pointing at her in panic. After that, the title of Princess is completely ignored.

 

So what was the point of her being crowned and turned into an alicorn?! It makes no difference except that the animators got lazy and called "dark magic" as "alicorn magic" and we got a few jokes about how awkward Twilight is with her wings. Well, I expected her to learn pretty quickly how to fly, but I digress... Twilight supposedly mastered both the arts of magic and friendship.... But she ignores that the spell she is using might have unwanted effects while she proceeds to ignore her friend's educated information about the problem AND joins her other friends in bullying the one pony she knows has problems with being pressed into submission.

 

But even before that, even though the plan was to use the damn Elements of Harmony, a plan that, sine qua non, requires ALL SIX OF THEM TOGETHER, she agrees to leaving the other five. Who is supposed to understand those specific magical artifacts in this very basic level?? Who is supposed to be a fucking leader that seems when others are spewing BS into their course of action?

 

I feel that Celestia, Luna and Cadance need to take turns beating Twilight with her crown until her wings fall off. Because she sucks as a princess and as an student right now. She is acting like those students that know everything in the day before the test and as soon as they leave the classroom, they forgot everything they ever learned!

 

Another thing that pissed me off in this season was that they lost the Elements of Harmony. Sure, it was necessary and the important thing is their friendship. I hope that is the case, but when they lost the Elements every single one of them became Twilight's sidekicks. The only reason they are important is because they are friends with the princess right now: the Elements were what I like to call their Badges of Office. They embodied those virtues of what makes them good friends. I thought that they were more important than Celestia and Luna by a long shot. Because while the two alicorns rule Equestria, the Elements told other ponies "These here ponies are the shit! Do what they do." This worked because the ponies didn't need to get all worked up around them: it wasn't an official title of nobility (though I think that they should have been recognized to some level).

 

Now that the Elements are gone, Twilight is this stupid princess that doesn't have a clue about what she is doing, being followed by these ponies that are nothing special. Applejack is just some farmer that may be just be mediocre, Fluttershy is the town's veterinarian, Pinkie is the weirdo that works in the bakery, Rarity is the local seamstress and Rainbow Dash is just some good flier that works with the weather teams but is not even within the elite of equestrian fliers.

 

 

 

Isn't all of this don't makes Twilight character more alive, interesting, and real?

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Isn't all of this don't makes Twilight character more alive, interesting, and real?

I'm gonna say no. But I'm not entirely sure.

We already saw how awesome the girls are. How brilliant Twilight is, based on her accomplishments that climaxed on her "ascension". The writers are not taking it seriously. What is happening is not showing depth to her character, it's contradicting her development. It's like Fluttershy. She is a doormat again, even though she learned her lesson before, i think twice.

 

I would agree with you that this is good if they were learning new lessons, or they (at least Twilight, of all of them) were not repeating past mistakes. Like Castle Mane-Ia. Beyond their sheer stupidity, their fear is acceptable in a world like Equestria, but they realized that they were letting letting their fears get the best of them. So they learned something.

 

About the Elements, I think it's up to each one's opinions. It's just that I feel that they could have been a lot more explored instead of canned like that. And everytime someone complains about the Elements being used to defeat a major villain, I feel like they are complaining that soldiers are shooting each other in a war movie.

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

 

 

About the Elements, I think it's up to each one's opinions. It's just that I feel that they could have been a lot more explored instead of canned like that. And everytime someone complains about the Elements being used to defeat a major villain, I feel like they are complaining that soldiers are shooting each other in a war movie.

Maybe because it's a cartoon for girls, and humanism primarily?

[Static Electricity 729]

Yes, I'm aware of that video and agree with it.

 

But at the same time he's using examples of things that are actually pretty huge when you find them, not "her freakin' neck is to long"

 

So which is it then? Do you guys want change or not? When it was first announced everyone was complaining because it was a big change to her character and show to take it, and now that it didn't completely overhaul the show you guys are wanting that change to happen. 

I don't want change if it's not done well. Twilicorn only worked during the season premiere, she was either unnecessary or annoying during the other episodes.

 

For example, "Bats". Aside from casting the spell, I would have expected Twilight to actually have learned SOMETHING from the previous "lessons".

 

Here's a good example as to what I mean:

 

 

Skip to 4:20 for teh goods :>

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Maybe because it's a cartoon for girls, and humanism primarily?

Maybe I used the wrong analogy.

I meant that the Elements are their tools for dealing with "evil", and a symbol of what they are.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I'm gonna say no. But I'm not entirely sure.

We already saw how awesome the girls are. How brilliant Twilight is, based on her accomplishments that climaxed on her "ascension". The writers are not taking it seriously. What is happening is not showing depth to her character, it's contradicting her development. It's like Fluttershy. She is a doormat again, even though she learned her lesson before, i think twice.

 

I would agree with you that this is good if they were learning new lessons, or they (at least Twilight, of all of them) were not repeating past mistakes. Like Castle Mane-Ia. Beyond their sheer stupidity, their fear is acceptable in a world like Equestria, but they realized that they were letting letting their fears get the best of them. So they learned something.

 

About the Elements, I think it's up to each one's opinions. It's just that I feel that they could have been a lot more explored instead of canned like that. And everytime someone complains about the Elements being used to defeat a major villain, I feel like they are complaining that soldiers are shooting each other in a war movie.

 

I don't care either way,. but the issue with the elements is that they become a due-ex-macina(damn my spelling) that fixed everything and every single major problem(aside from the Chrysalis) was solved by them. They've almost become a crutch for the writers to fall back and go "whatever corner we right ourselves into, when can use the elements to fix it somehow".

 

In essence, I think people are hoping that the potential retirement of them will lead to more interesting plots and resolutions to the big climaxes.   

[RED20 289]

Why is everyone over-analyzing this freaking cartoon? I guess everyone got bored in the off-season, so they decided to think about the past seasons. A lot. 

[Frosty Flurry 173]

To early to say this season isn't a good one. It's been ok so far with flight to the finish being the one i was bored to hell with

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I don't want change if it's not done well. Twilicorn only worked during the season premiere, she was either unnecessary or annoying during the other episodes.

 

For example, "Bats". Aside from casting the spell, I would have expected Twilight to actually have learned SOMETHING from the previous "lessons".

 

Here's a good example as to what I mean:

 

 

Skip to 4:20 for teh goods :>

 

I think I'm seeing the issue here(and we could all learn a lot from the stance Digi took on his criticisms)

 

The issue arising is that a lot of us seem to be stuck in this mode of obsessing over the flaws and completely ignoring the good. That's why I like the attitude he tried to take in that video of being able to tear the shit out of the episodes problems while still loving it.

 

The Cinema Snob is a good parody of this problem. He takes semi-crappy obscure horror movies that are obviously meant to run of rule of fun and rule of cool and reviews them the same way you would a high-quality story and artistic vision driven movie to show the problem with that attitude of judging something on merits is was never intended to have in the first place.

 

I do agree these flaws are there, but at the same time: the show has always had flaws. I think we've come to expect so much do to how we've hyped the show up as our favorite things in the world that we've started setting are expectations to high and judging it to harshly.  

 

Also, some of the comments on that video break my brain...

Edited December 30, 2013 by Shoboni

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

I don't care either way,. but the issue with the elements is that they become a due-ex-macina(damn my spelling) that fixed everything and every single major problem(aside from the Chrysalis) was solved by them. They've almost become a crutch for the writers to fall back and go "whatever corner we right ourselves into, when can use the elements to fix it somehow".

 

In essence, I think people are hoping that the potential retirement of them will lead to more interesting plots and resolutions to the big climaxes.   

Yes. I know why is it that people like this. But up to this point, this is not happening. Also, how many times were the Elements used? Twice, I guess. Was it worth it completely removing them? And what do we know about them? Why are they related to these ponies? It's implied, but it was never explained.

But like I said... People have different opinions.

Why is everyone over-analyzing this freaking cartoon? I guess everyone got bored in the off-season, so they decided to think about the past seasons. A lot. 

People talk about stuff because they can. And they like it.

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

Why is everyone over-analyzing this freaking cartoon? I guess everyone got bored in the off-season, so they decided to think about the past seasons. A lot. 

 

 

Oh my God, Thank you, finally at least someone took it upon myself to call a spade a spade. Brohoof to you.

[RED20 289]

Oh my God, Thank you, finally at least someone took it upon myself to call a spade a spade. Brohoof to you.

 

Yeah, I mean, if I'm entertained I'm happy, and this season is definitely entertaining. The only thing I have a problem with is Twilight (and Rainbow Dash) being out of character, and that's not even all the time. (like in Princess Twilight Sparkle, or in Flight to the Finish)

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Yeah, I mean, if I'm entertained I'm happy, and this season is definitely entertaining. The only thing I have a problem with is Twilight (and Rainbow Dash) being out of character, and that's not even all the time. (like in Princess Twilight Sparkle, or in Flight to the Finish)

I think I was a bit harsh in my other answer. I apologize, and let me try again.

 

I'm happy as heck with this season. But there has been some problems with it and it sounds like you agree with me in at least Twilight's issue. I think that I have a problem... I feel the need to justify why I didn't like something so that it's doesn't seem that it's just some pointless complaint for the sake of complaining. That makes it seem like I hate everything about it.

 

Also, I'm "wasting" my time complaining about stuff I found to be, shall we say, "not as good" for several reasons. "I love talking about the show" is the first one and another is that talking to people with different viewpoints can help you see something that you missed or  really understand something that you thought you understood.

 

So, I don't think that writers killed the show by removing the Elements of Harmony, I just think that it had potential that was not explored. I also don't think that what I see as the writers' inability to deal with Twilight makes them horrible writers. Actually, I love these guys that give me my weekly pony high.

[Buttonmash1973 1,026]

I think that Season four is the best Season so far.

[RED20 289]

I think I was a bit harsh in my other answer. I apologize, and let me try again.

 

I'm happy as heck with this season. But there has been some problems with it and it sounds like you agree with me in at least Twilight's issue. I think that I have a problem... I feel the need to justify why I didn't like something so that it's doesn't seem that it's just some pointless complaint for the sake of complaining. That makes it seem like I hate everything about it.

 

Also, I'm "wasting" my time complaining about stuff I found to be, shall we say, "not as good" for several reasons. "I love talking about the show" is the first one and another is that talking to people with different viewpoints can help you see something that you missed or  really understand something that you thought you understood.

 

So, I don't think that writers killed the show by removing the Elements of Harmony, I just think that it had potential that was not explored. I also don't think that what I see as the writers' inability to deal with Twilight makes them horrible writers. Actually, I love these guys that give me my weekly pony high.

 

Ain't no thang. 

 

It's really a lot easier to express when you don't like something. When you do, it can be pretty hard to put a finger on it. It's not really in me to just sit down and think about stuff, so that's honestly why I don't get it. I do think that some people have ruined the show for themselves by thinking way into it though.

 

I was getting kind of tired of them using them or bringing them up every season. Plus now Discord is a threat again (because they can't just turn him to stone)

[Tupek 33]

Why is everyone over-analyzing this freaking cartoon? I guess everyone got bored in the off-season, so they decided to think about the past seasons. A lot. 

Not everyone over-analyzes this show, but obviously there are many who do. I don't usually analyze this show, but I think the OP has very good points. And in fact he stated that when he watched the first 3 seasons, he was happy and didn't have to rewatch it because he felt some flaws. And with this season that hasn't occured.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Tupek

[Forlong 1,726]

It seems like you're speaking for a fairly broad group of people here that you're not a member of, based on posts of yours that I've seen in the past.

You don't have to be asking the questions to know what they are.

• Will Discord be an innocent puppy now?
• Will Twilight's new title get in the way of her friendship with the others?
• Will Twilight have to move to Canterlot?
• Will Twilight's personality change? (that one is my favorite)

Were these or were these not the questions being asked?  And were they or were they not all answered in that episode?  That episode was a clear attempt to reassure everyone that the show was still the same show we know and love.  Or to put it more bluntly:

 

>

 

Ohohohh boy... Where do I even begin...

 

1: The Twilicorn's design. The longer neck is just the final straw.

 

2: Twilight might as well be exactly the same as she was before. All of the lessons she has "learned"  throughout the series have not impacted her personality in the slightest. In fact, this is a real problem throughout the entire series.

 

3: Aside from the premiere, the Twilicorn is usually just "there", and does very little, if anything, plot relevant ("Bats!").

1. Seriously?  "Oh, I'd be completely okay with Twilight having wings for no explained reason, if only her neck were 3 centimeters shorter!"  If you can't see what's wrong with that, there is no hope for you.
2. Yep, before they were all complaining that she'd be completely different.  Now they are complaining that what they complained about isn't happening.  There is just no pleasing some people.
3. Because that never happen in previous seasons, right?

You're just complaining for the sake of complaining.  The idea to make Twilight a princess didn't crash and burn the way you expected it to, so now you feel obligated to harp on complete non-issues.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Forlong

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

 

 

Will Twilight's new title get in the way of her friendship with the others? Will Twilight have to move to Canterlot? Will Twilight's personality change? (that one is my favorite)

 

The reason I even brought this up was because while these were common concerns that people had, I never had any doubt over them in the first place. And I was psyched about Discord's reformation. It bothered me that you were making assumptions about my opinion and why I hold it. But since this thread isn't for discussing Twilicorn and I don't really have any desire to, I'll bow out here.

 

In any case, the season seems to be getting better with time and hitting its stride as newer episodes come out, so even if the ones so far haven't been some's cup of tea, there's still plenty of time left.

[Static Electricity 729]

 

1. Seriously?  "Oh, I'd be completely okay with Twilight having wings for no explained reason, if only her neck were 3 centimeters shorter!"  If you can't see what's wrong with that, there is no hope for you.

Huh? I'm fine with the alicorn thing, but the design is one of my gripes with it.

 

Yep, before they were all complaining that she'd be completely different.  Now they are complaining that what they complained about isn't happening.  There is just no pleasing some people.

 

I didn't complain that she was gonna be completely different when it happened. I had no problem with Twilicorn up until this point. You are addressing a hypocrisy of other Twilicorn haters, which is fine, but I never made such a statement.

 

This is the problem with generalizations.

 

Because that never happen in previous seasons, right?

It did, but it was much less jarring, considering that Twilight is an alicorn princess now.

 

You're just complaining for the sake of complaining.  The idea to make Twilight a princess didn't crash and burn the way you expected it to, so now you feel obligated to harp on complete non-issues.

You are resorting to a baseless (unless you can read my mind O.O) ad-hominem. I never stated a personal disdain for the Twilicorn itself, the execution is what bothers me about it.

 

And before you pull the "that's nitpicking" argument:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrBiDELfaKk 

Edited December 31, 2013 by Static Electricity

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Question: would it be better if we already got some more "pure" slice of life episodes? That don't feel like an adventure episode?

[Static Electricity 729]

I think I'm seeing the issue here(and we could all learn a lot from the stance Digi took on his criticisms)

 

The issue arising is that a lot of us seem to be stuck in this mode of obsessing over the flaws and completely ignoring the good. That's why I like the attitude he tried to take in that video of being able to tear the shit out of the episodes problems while still loving it.

 

The Cinema Snob is a good parody of this problem. He takes semi-crappy obscure horror movies that are obviously meant to run of rule of fun and rule of cool and reviews them the same way you would a high-quality story and artistic vision driven movie to show the problem with that attitude of judging something on merits is was never intended to have in the first place.

 

I do agree these flaws are there, but at the same time: the show has always had flaws. I think we've come to expect so much do to how we've hyped the show up as our favorite things in the world that we've started setting are expectations to high and judging it to harshly.  

 

Also, some of the comments on that video break my brain...

Yeah, stuff should be judged by the standards it imposes upon itself. That's why I can't accuse Spongebob of having under-developed characters.

 

But the problem is that MLP has set it's own standards and sometimes fails to meet them. It tries to develop it's characters by giving them a lesson, but they all go back to being the same they were in earlier episodes.

 

For example, in Magic Duel, there's this "action" scene that utterly fails due to Twilight being on the constant defensive.

 

As for your last argument, I realized long ago that the show has many, many flaws. The newer episodes on average have not had more or less flaws than the previous ones. The reason as to why I (or other people) don't complain about them as much is because they are rarely the topic of conversation nowadays.

 

Also, am I the only that has noticed that many bronies have a tendency to view the series though VERY rose-tinted glasses?