gaming Could the Wii U be Nintendo's last console?

[Commander Fresh 36]

They've lost out to the other two major consoles, and as we all know, nothing will ever beat a PC.

Every time somebody mentions how much better PCs are, Gabe delays Half-Life 3.

[Geek0zoid 1,468]

If this is Nintendo's final console... that will be the day I stop gaming. The industry will forever be doomed to a world of nothing but thrown up CoD and BF clones every year. No more originality, no more risk-taking, no more innovation in the gaming industry.

 

Shigura Miyamoto seems to be the only gaming CEO that ISN'T a greedy business man. I hope Nintendo doesn't fail. If it does, I will just stop gaming all together.

[long gone 8,929]

The Wii U admittedly isn't selling that well and lacks developer support, but Nintendo still dominates mobile gaming and has enough money from profits made on the 3DS/2DS to keep themselves afloat. Also, Nintendo dropping out would be very very bad for the industry - a market flooded by cheap CoD wannabes and with almost no innovation outside of the PC would be a terrible thing for businesses and consumers alike.

 

All the innovation these days happens on Nintendo and the PC. If we were to remove either one of those factors, then we might as well treat risk-taking and innovation in the gaming industry as dead.

[Megas 27,726]

Also, Nintendo dropping out would be very very bad for the industry

I think it says a lot when even Sony agrees with this, or at least Shuhei Yoshida

Edited January 17, 2014 by Megas75

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I hope not, if PS4/XboxOne becomes king the industry is screwed to a future of nothing but CoD clones. Nintendo is about the only company that takes risks anymore.

 

I'd like to add to this and clarify myself.

 

From what I've been see most of the more experimental titles that take risks and have their own identity(like No More Heroes) have been on the Wii this go around. It also seems like Nintendo has been more okay with publishing lower budget stuff on their console and a bit more "quirky" titles have come out for it than have the PS3/360.

 

I mean there's a few gems like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain(which I just started tonight and seems really cool so far with how it's trying to be like a old FMV game, but good) on the big boys, but those both came early on and stuff like that all but vanished by the later part of the systems life-spans and none of it has been announced so far for the PS4/XboxOne.

[ninjamon102938 222]

I'm a little sick and tired of people picking on Nintendo so much. They always defend their Xboxs and Playstations not realizing that Microsoft and Sony aren't perfect either. Also you owe Nintendo a lot more credit than you think. Without the Plumber, the Hylian, and rest of the Nintendo gang, video games probably wouldn't exist today, or at least in the same way.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I'm a little sick and tired of people picking on Nintendo so much. They always defend their Xboxs and Playstations not realizing that Microsoft and Sony aren't perfect either. Also you owe Nintendo a lot more credit than you think. Without the Plumber, the Hylian, and rest of the Nintendo gang, video games probably wouldn't exist today, or at least in the same way.

 

You're right on that one, the Video Game market may have stayed dead after the crash, or never progressed past "kid's toys" into an actual industry and artform like it's starting to become now if the NES didn't revive interest in video games as a form of entertainment. 

[Crystallize 279]

I hope not. Sony themselves said it would be bad if it happened. But it would be terrible if they followed Sega's path and became a software only company. I don't think so.

[Celli 4,338]

I don't think it will. Nintendo will pull through. They always do. 

[Forlong 1,726]

The reason why I like Sony a little is because the PS2 was amazing. Though I hate them at the same time because the PS2 killed the Dreamcast, my first game console. Ugh. I can find hate in every game company.

Actually, if you adjust for how long the Dreamcast was in the market, it outsold all the competitions.  Sega was just so far in the red that even that couldn't save them.  Sony didn't kill the Dreamcast, Sega did.

[PoniesPlease 365]

Every time somebody mentions how much better PCs are, Gabe delays Half-Life 3.

 

Fortunate that I believe HL3 will be another Duke Nukem then 

[Abstract 832]

Not a chance in hell; Nintendo has this shit figured out.

 

Admit it: Nintendo consoles are worth the cost just for the first-party titles alone. Granted, the other side of the equation unfortunately means that they receive fewer exclusive third party games than Microsoft or Sony, but there's always at least a gem or two per console iteration. And like I said, these are just the icing on the cake that is the Nintendo portfolio of franchises.

 

They aren't leaving us anytime soon, to be certain.

[Discordian 6,015]

In the end I will stand by what I've always said: games are all that matters, consoles do not.

 

Also, I will not tolerate a phone being a gaming device. I have always said that gaming systems being tainted by other services like internet browsers, music and cable are actually worse off than those that are made for gaming specifically. I buy a gaming console for the games, not so I can do things I can do at any computer whether it be my own or at a local library. If you have a way to purchase a game console than you assuredly have a way to buy a cheap ass computer for your browsing needs.

 

Nintendo isn't innocent of this but at least their consoles still focus on gaming whereas consoles like the Xbone is doing everything it can to be an everyman. This is lowering the quality of every feature they are trying to market. Focusing on one would go a lot farther than trying to do everything. IF I ever get an Xbone it will be for games and I will disconnect any and all other features it has.

 

This is exactly what a phone as a gaming device will do. It will have lower processing power, lower graphical power and a shitty interface compared to what an actual gaming handheld would be like because they are forced to sacrifice resources to the actual phone part of the phone.

 

I would also like to point out that the main reason they are flopping is because of their projected sales numbers. They are still selling several millions of units which adds up to several millions or even billions of dollars. This says more about the state of gaming than Nintendo themselves that several billion dollars is a commercial failure. Most people won't see even a fraction of that amount of money in their entire lifetime.

Edited January 17, 2014 by Discordian

[Judgement 445]

True, yes. They did wimp out. They were about to have a DVD add-on, but then realized that NOBODY wants add-ons to consoles. I wish that they would join the console market nevertheless. The irony here is how Nintendo indirectly built up Sony. So technically Nintendo did own Sega once again. Plus, you're right. I only considered how the PS2 sold in Japan. In English countries, the Dreamcast sold MILLIONS upon MILLIONS on the first day of release. It's not that the PS2 was better, it's just that SEGA was scared of becoming a non-existing company if they tried to carry on (Considering how they failed three times in a row with the 32X, Sega CD, and Saturn). I wonder what Nintendo's stocks are.

 

The wii U could be compared to the Dreamcast then. It's a good piece of hardware but lacks developer support because it is the first to the generation.

Edited January 17, 2014 by Judgement

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

Once again, if nintendo is failing, it's almost an impending game over for them, but if it's microsoft or sony, it's just a scratch. X/

 

Nah, just know that despite the sales, Nintendo always manages to pull through, the problem so far is that despite the graphical bump up and support, it's not enough compared to the competition.

 

But they'll find a way, you'll see.   

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

Even though the wii u is not doing so well it doesn't necessarily equal the death of Nintendo. They've still got the 3ds games which sells good. besides Nintendo has had console failures like the virtual boy. What's the virtual boy you ask, heck if I know.

[Rappy0 338]

Oh an Nintendo is doomed thread I was missing these. Wii U is not failing BTW Nintendo is making a profit off of it and even if they weren't they still have more than enough money too stay around for a long time. They pretty much own Japan with Monster hunter being exclusive and the handheld market is pretty much theirs. No, a phone is not a gaming console. Nintendo doomed since 1989!

[Shift 4,272]

The Wii U isn't the greatest thing ever and I hope they don't make any more consoles but if they do i'm fine.

 

Though as we all know, nothing can possibly beat a PC.

[GrauWitz 1,010]

I hope not, if PS4/XboxOne becomes king the industry is screwed to a future of nothing but CoD clones. Nintendo is about the only company that takes risks anymore.

Takes risks my arse! Constantly milking a game about saving a mentally disabled princess from a mutated turtle in a mushroom world, since 1985!

Edited January 18, 2014 by UberAntics

[Bright Honor 2,679]

I'm not sure, but I want to say no since they have plenty of money to continue after Wii U.

[Katana 298]

I haven't followed, but it does seem like the proclamation draws many parallels to "PC gaming is dying". The stock price has definitely fluctuated lately, but make sure you're reading the graph right.

 

I'm not quite sure what to say about the Wii U in particular - it kind of makes sense to me that it hasn't done well, because it's pretty much done *everything* wrong. The controller gimmick is a bit useless, which is actually not much of a surprise in the end; No one buys a 3DS because of the 3D, they buy it for the games - and there are LOTS of them. The Wii U, on the other hand, still hasn't quite premiered all its staple classics or that many innovative franchises.

 

One thing that hasn't helped much is holding back on internet inclusiveness. For those who don't know, the reason that Nintendo's policies towards online have been so backwards compared to other game companies is because of their focus on kids. Many of Nintendo's best games are E-rated, and the important thing about catering to parents is that online interactions blow away the ESRB rating - AND it's illegal in many countries to require a child to give out personal information for an online sign-up. Thus, friend codes as opposed to gamertags, etc.

 

BUT, this is now a nation where parents throw an iPhone at their kids to keep them quiet, and then step into the next county to relax. Possibly makes Nintendo's notions a bit too outdated or optimistic....

[Rappy0 338]

 

 

Constantly milking a game about saving a mentally disabled princess from a mutated turtle in a mushroom world, since 1985!

The newest Mario game  isn't about that. I wish I still had the one image about Nintendo milking vs other company milking but it was pretty hilarious. 

 

But the really the milking argument doesn't really work anymore. We'er getting 2 more Halo games, Assasins Creed was new last gen but look how many of those have been made (you want too talk about milking well there you go) Madden 25, CoD, Resdient Evil, Monster Hunter (tri has been remade a lot of times) Final Fantasy (Did anyone really want 13-3?), Sonic...

 

You get my point the only reason people say Nintendo milks is because they've been around longer than anyone else.

 

Oh and about Innovation Miiverse says hi!

[long gone 8,929]

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Takes risks my arse! Constantly milking a game about saving a mentally disabled princess from a mutated turtle in a mushroom world, since 1985!

>Implying that is the only game Nintendo makes

 

You just ain't seeing the bigger picture about Nintendo, instead having serious bias against Nintendo because most of their games are seemingly childish in nature. But then I might as well point out to you:

 

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, in its original form, had red blood. And there were bloodstains on some walls in the Shadow Temple. Red blood appeared again in Twilight Princess. Oh, and Majora's Mask is full of "mature" themes such as love, life, death, grief and the end of the world.
• Despite their "kiddy" appearance, Nintendo games are considered higher-quality than games published by Sony or Microsoft by both critics and gamers alike. The numbers don't lie.
• Without Nintendo reviving the American video game market (most game developers pre-video game crash of 1983 were based in the US), video games wouldn't exist anymore. Or, at least, not as they are right now.
• Nintendo and the PC are the only sources of actual innovation in the gaming industry today. Yeah, Nintendo has been conservative with their IPs and the Wii U ain't exactly powerful, but the Xbox One and PS4, which are supposed to be these super-powerful, "next-gen" consoles, barely raise the bar over the previous generation. The Kinect 2.0 is literally just a reskin of the Kinect 1.0, the PS4 is in reality very anti-consumer (it offers LESS customization options than the PS4 and has just about as much lies about what it can do surrounding it as the Xbox One) and both are too underpowered for what developers want to do with them. Nintendo, meanwhile, tries something different with weaker hardware and games for their platforms actually try new things instead of sticking to the "old" ways. The same thing happens on the PC, with all of the hardware and scalability options. Gives developers more freedom with what they can do with their games.
• Nintendo gave a lot of us here their childhoods. Remember that before you shit over them because "LOL NINTENDO IS FOR KIDS!"

Oh, and:

Survival horror game for the GameCube. Published by Nintendo. Rated M in the United States for Blood and Gore and Violence. Yeah, sure sounds like another kiddy Nintendo game, right? And then there's Geist, a M-rated FPS also published by Nintendo. Nintendo also published the Wii U port of Ninja Gaiden 3 outside of Japan, and handled the marketing for Conker's Bad Fur Day.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

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Takes risks my arse! Constantly milking a game about saving a mentally disabled princess from a mutated turtle in a mushroom world, since 1985!

 

They may make a lot of sequels as a first party developer, but they five a lot of little guys and budget companies a chance on their systems, as well as having a lot of games that wouldn't have made in the bigger systems for one reason or another. The No More Heroes IP(which only got published on the PS3 after doing really good on the Wii) is a stellar example.  The Wii was also the only system to take a risk and try something new instead of going "the same thing, but more powerful hardware and better online features" like Sony and Microsoft did.  The Wii's mission statement was pretty much putting game-play over graphics by having innovative controls. 

>Implying that is the only game Nintendo makes

 

You just ain't seeing the bigger picture about Nintendo, instead having serious bias against Nintendo because most of their games are seemingly childish in nature. But then I might as well point out to you:

 

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, in its original form, had red blood. And there were bloodstains on some walls in the Shadow Temple. Red blood appeared again in Twilight Princess. Oh, and Majora's Mask is full of "mature" themes such as love, life, death, grief and the end of the world.
• Despite their "kiddy" appearance, Nintendo games are considered higher-quality than games published by Sony or Microsoft by both critics and gamers alike. The numbers don't lie.
• Without Nintendo reviving the American video game market (most game developers pre-video game crash of 1983 were based in the US), video games wouldn't exist anymore. Or, at least, not as they are right now.
• Nintendo and the PC are the only sources of actual innovation in the gaming industry today. Yeah, Nintendo has been conservative with their IPs and the Wii U ain't exactly powerful, but the Xbox One and PS4, which are supposed to be these super-powerful, "next-gen" consoles, barely raise the bar over the previous generation. The Kinect 2.0 is literally just a reskin of the Kinect 1.0, the PS4 is in reality very anti-consumer (it offers LESS customization options than the PS4 and has just about as much lies about what it can do surrounding it as the Xbox One) and both are too underpowered for what developers want to do with them. Nintendo, meanwhile, tries something different with weaker hardware and games for their platforms actually try new things instead of sticking to the "old" ways. The same thing happens on the PC, with all of the hardware and scalability options. Gives developers more freedom with what they can do with their games.
• Nintendo gave a lot of us here their childhoods. Remember that before you shit over them because "LOL NINTENDO IS FOR KIDS!"

Oh, and:

Survival horror game for the GameCube. Published by Nintendo. Rated M in the United States for Blood and Gore and Violence. Yeah, sure sounds like another kiddy Nintendo game, right? And then there's Geist, a M-rated FPS also published by Nintendo. Nintendo also published the Wii U port of Ninja Gaiden 3 outside of Japan, and handled the marketing for Conker's Bad Fur Day.

 

The Gamecube also has stellar updated ports of the Resident Evil games(including one exclusive spin-off title), the original Metal Gear Solid, Both Sonic Adventure Games as well The Sonic Gems Collections(which has the only home port I know of, of "Sonic the Fighters", Starfox Adventures(I don't care what people thing, it's awesome) and I could keep going. 

 

The Wii was also far more powerful than both the PS2 and Xbox(as evidenced by the way they had to tone back the graphics in RE4 for the PS2 port and we didn't get a definitive version with the high-quality graphics AND all the extra content until the Wii edition). 

Edited January 18, 2014 by Shoboni

[Mutemutt 773]

Oh an Nintendo is doomed thread I was missing these. Wii U is not failing BTW Nintendo is making a profit off of it and even if they weren't they still have more than enough money too stay around for a long time. They pretty much own Japan with Monster hunter being exclusive and the handheld market is pretty much theirs. No, a phone is not a gaming console. Nintendo doomed since 1989!

 

Last I checked, the Wii U itself was an operating loss for the last two years and Nintendo expects it to still be a loss this year. Once you take into a account all their other goods (3ds, 3ds games, etc) they're still making a profit overall as they always have been. Nintendo ain't going nowhere anytime soon.

 

The only notable innovation from Nintendo this gen is the console hardware, which is ok and it's definitely more innovative than the Sony's and Microsoft's. For me it's always been about the games; Nintendo's console is new and shiny in a way that I honestly don't care for, same deal with the Wii, but if it gets good games...