Why does everyone hate on Meghan?

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

The problems most people make McCarthy shoulder the blame for are really troubles that arise when dealing with a corporate partner like Hasbro and also working on a crew made up of freelance writers rather than a fixed staff. When Hasbro forces things into the show, she at least does her best to make it bearable for the fans. Falling short of expectations should be forgiven more often, remembering that normally, each episode is written by only one writer with rare exceptions. Keep in mind that writing multiple 22-minute scripts per season on your own, conforming to the standards of the show is not exactly a cakewalk. As story editor, I think there were some decisions she made in Season 3 that were not that good, that Rob Renzetti probably would not have made, but to pinpoint exactly where she went wrong with that is hard because the story editor's impact on a story cannot be seen as clearly as the individual writer's.

 

However, there was one point where she stuck her foot in her mouth, and the bronies may not let her forget it:

 

As much as you may want Lauren back, it is not happening. Craig McCracken outed in an interview that her reason for leaving was because Hasbro was beginning to take more control of the show now that it was popular, not to mention that Wander Over Yonder has now given her a stable gig. That gives me more admiration for Meghan, for sticking it out even though Hasbro is more recently attempting to commercialize the show even more than they did before.

Edited February 27, 2014 by pegasusexpress2010

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The problems most people make McCarthy shoulder the blame for are really troubles that arise when dealing with a corporate partner like Hasbro and also working on a crew made up of freelance writers rather than a fixed staff. When Hasbro forces things into the show, she at least does her best to make it bearable for the fans. Falling short of expectations should be forgiven more often, remembering that normally, each episode is written by only one writer with rare exceptions. Keep in mind that writing multiple 22-minute scripts per season on your own, conforming to the standards of the show is not exactly a cakewalk. As story editor, I think there were some decisions she made in Season 3 that were not that good, that Rob Renzetti probably would not have made, but to pinpoint exactly where she went wrong with that is hard because the story editor's impact on a story cannot be seen as clearly as the individual writer's.

 

However, there was one point where she stuck her foot in her mouth, and the bronies may not let her forget it:

 

As much as you may want Lauren back, it is not happening. Craig McCracken outed in an interview that her reason for leaving was because Hasbro was beginning to take more control of the show now that it was popular, not to mention that Wander Over Yonder has now given her a stable gig. That gives me more admiration for Meghan, for sticking it out even though Hasbro is more recently attempting to commercialize the show even more than they did before.

 

Yea, there is a lot of talk about how Hasbro meddles with MLP constantly. In fact, didn't I read somewhere that Mrs. McCarthy was not happy that MLP movie (now movies) she wrote was forced to show off the Equestria Girls toyline?

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

 

 

In fact, didn't I read somewhere that Mrs. McCarthy was not happy that MLP movie (now movies) she wrote was forced to show off the Equestria Girls toyline?

 

EQG was obviously not what they would have done had they the choice.

 

While "hate" is a strong word, the reason a lot of that negativity gets hurled her way is because she is the closest thing MLP has to a showrunner. So when the show is snagged on Hasbro's bullcrap, she, unfortunately, gets much more blame than she should for stuff that's out of her control.

 

That said, the Princess quote legitimately sucks.

[Dark Qiviut 22,565]

Er, not necessarily. Check out this conversation she sparked on Twitter that week.

Re-read the Tweet. "Blame Larson!" was a jab at the "Thanks, Larson" meme. Larson admitted to not having any role this season.

 

You call making death threats and accusing her of taking away their waifu "criticism?"

I've seen that Tumblr.

• There's no concrete evidence to what he said. Personally, I've seen only one user go out and fully attack and staff from this. Just by the date he registered and his handle, that user was a troll, because he didn't come back. (Not linking the Twitter because the language is VERY NSFW.)
• On your end, "take away their waifu" is an ad hominem and a very ignorant one at that. The real reason Flash Sentry isn't so welcomed is the fact that he isn't a character. He's a plot device. There's little personality to go by. Doing something and having things don't dictate characterization. And since one-dimensional personalities are frowned upon by FIM's roots, it makes Flash look unappealing and boring.
• The Tumblr post does nothing to help his own opinion through several things:

   

  a. Embellishing his point just to make his own opinion look better (when in actuality, makes him look stupid).

   

  b. Use of "butthurt," an inherently homophobic and sexist ad hominem (and passively a threat of sexual assault).

   

  c. Use of "sperglord," (just like "spaghetti") a code term used from the slimiest corners of the 'Net to slander people with mental deficiencies.

   

  d. Use of the word "cunt," a very sexist slur disparaging women.

   

  One user from here called him out twice for his idiocy. And honestly, in that whole Tumblr chain, he's the only one there to use his brain, and his opinion trumps everyone else there.

3) Most bronies nowadays are so caught up in their fantasies and headcanons that they perceive every move made under her watch to automatically ruin the show, even if it wasn't her decision. Equestria Girls. Twilicorn. The Royal Wedding. Those were mainly Hasbro's decision to advertise the relevant toy lines. Marketed towards the kids. The actual target audience. In layman's terms, they're acting like complete fucking morons.

A few things.

• "The show is going against their headcanons" is a terrible strawman. The fandom, for the most part, doesn't give a damn about "headcanon" or not. Luna Eclipsed "destroyed" the "headcanons," but it was written so well, no one cared.

   

  Anytime this strawman is slung, I'm reminded of this: "You hate Twilicorn/EQG because you hate change." Just like this one, the "headcanon" strawman is daft on its own. If it's good, they won't care. If not, they will.

   

  The Royal Wedding, Twilicorn, and EQG weren't done well.

   

  A Canterlot Wedding: a complete blast to watch, very funny, and well-scored. But the pacing was very sloppy. Cadance and Shining Armor are presented flatly. The Sidekick Five were stuck to the sideline most of the time. The characters behaved with the Idiot Ball inside their craniums instead of a working brain (SA's hypnosis at the ceremony is very awkward in the FIM setting; Celestia was out of character). Overall, a very average two-part episode.

   

  *Magical Mystery Cure: You think Keep Calm and Flutter On was rushed. MMC amplified that by cramming two gigantic concepts into twenty minutes. Twilight, for one, was undergoing a completely radical change. An alicorn princess represents not just the power they hold already, but the responsibility of said power. What they say and do affects everyone's lives, and Twilight was ascending to not just a new race, but also a new social class status. Doing so changes not just her physical outlook, but environmental, too. This means you have to execute it well. It wasn't. MMC is personally enjoyable, but a bad episode. If it was good, then the whole Twilicorn debate would've been over before this thread came into existence.

   

  *Besides the lame PR Hasbro assigned her, McCarthy doesn't get the blame aside from the editing. That's on Hasbro for coming up with the terrible concept and Larson for failing to deliver.

   

  EQG: To put it mildly, it's a lazy, soulless movie that insults the roots of FIM and MLP entirely. The very sharp criticism EQG, Hasbro, and DHX received was deserving. Hasbro for coming up with a completely new toyline disguised as FIM. DHX for not showing soul. EQG for being insultingly bad.

   

  Never pull this inane strawman again. It kills your opinion right off the bat.

• For better or worse, executive meddling is a very big problem in family TV. Hasbro has a very mixed record of such. Some things did better, some haven't. But when they're done badly, they're done badly. They're infamous for sticking their noses in past MLP generations, Transformers, GI Joe, etc. Not all the results were good. Their decisions in MLP nearly killed the franchise. Therefore, you should expect many people to feel very apprehensive of whatever meddling Hasbro does, especially ones that can damage a now popular franchise like FIM.

   

  (Although Hasbro behaves like a toy company, they're not just a toy company anymore. They're a toy/media hybrid.)

   

  That said, it doesn't matter what executive meddling Hasbro does. When you have an assignment, you must deliver it well and give it enough justice for it to be a respectable addition to the respective franchises. Just because the higher-ups meddle in DHX's business gives them no excuse to be sloppy in their work. You have aspects of the brony community like the review and analysis ones unwilling to give the writers a pat on the back if they fail to deliver successfully.

   

  If the episodes are good, then the team (from the writer to the editor — McCarthy today, Renzetti in seasons one and two — to the rest of DHX) deserves the praise it gets. That's why you have humungous praise for episodes like Lesson Zero, Sleepless in Ponyville, Party of One, Return of Harmony, Hurricane Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pride.

   

  But if the work is very poorly done (Daring Don't, EQG, Spike at Your Service, Dragon Quest, Boast Busters, Bridle Gossip, MMMystery, Owl's Well), then the team deserves to be slammed, especially if they do a TERRIBLE job with sensitive subjects like racism in Bridle Gossip and bullying in One Bad Apple. Why? Because they — the reviewers, analysts, critics — have standards, know the team can deliver better, expect them to improve on their errors next time, and better research the subjects. If it's a sensitive one, you can't afford to screw up; otherwise, it's counterproductive and may unfortunately enforce those vile ideals.

   

  Despite being a major critic of the Twilicorn, reverting her back to a unicorn is a terrible idea: The last thing the writers needed to do was nullify the progress she made and deliver an obvious mea culpa. Season four was the grand opportunity for them to prove to everyone that her toyetic ascension was worthy. Instead, we're fifteen episodes in, and Twilight Time is the first episode since Castle Mane-ia to truly exploit it. (Power Ponies and Three's a Crowd keep it confined to the background.) Besides Flight to the Finish (for she wasn't even in the episode), her status is ignored and sometimes pretended it doesn't exist. Because she's in a much higher social class now, ignoring it is completely nonsensical. Previously, despite the Mane Six saving the day several times, you could buy it in a way because they each blended in society. But Twilight's status sticks her out like a sore thumb. That's bad writing, and the continued annoyance over them ignoring her status when she's a secondary or tertiary character is deserving. 

• Marketed towards the kids. The actual target audience.

  The FIM toys are marketed towards kids, but the comics and TV show are marketed to all ages. Not just kids, but adults, too. There's no set demographic for the show beyond the base. But the target audience is NOT kids and never will be kids: They're not the ones who'll buy them. FIM's true target audience is any older guardian of children who has an affordable income. And there are plenty of people here who are guardians, so you can figure out the rest there.

   

  EQG's target audience (both the movie and toys) remains the same, but not the market audience; they're marketed to adolescent/tween girls.

   

  Market audience is to attract someone/make them want it, but a target audience is to sell to someone/make them buy it. Far too many people in this fandom don't know the difference, and you're one of them.

   

  But for the sake of it, let's say it IS "for kids." Just because it's written for a base market doesn't give professionals the excuse to not deliver. This was one of the big reasons why Faust helped direct the show in season one and first half of the second: to prove to adults, especially parents of young girls, that the graphics may look saccharine, but still treats the audience young and old with respect.

   

  Any good product worth our time doesn't insult the audience; anytime it does, it deserves the scorn. "Audience" is no excuse for the bad delivery of a product's quality nor Hasbro's decisions to plug in bad toyetic concepts. By using the "audience" trap to excuse EQG's effort, the Twilicorn, and Hasbro's decisions, you're calling FIM an inherently weak product. It's also a major double standard that marginalizes one of the biggest reasons why this show is popular across generational boundaries.

   

  I've seen the copout admitted to be used in practice by the pros themselves for other franchises, like 4Kids for their dubbed anime, HiT Entertainment for Thomas & Friends (Series 8-16), and several Disney movies in the 1990s/2000s (Home on the Range, many of the Direct-to-DVD Disney flicks like Cinderella II and Pocahontas II, Chicken Little). Look at how bad they turned out to be.

So many fans are so butthurt that "their" show is being ruined because of the kids. Well I got news for you, folks. It was never "your" show to begin with.

• Earlier, I called out that Tumblr blog for throwing around the word "butthurt." By using that gay slur yourself, you're telling people you have no credibility in your argument and can do nothing except shoot them down via ad hominems and other ignorant fallacies.
• Once more, "audience" is no excuse for bad production.
• You know why there were plenty of people who were uncertain and/or hopeless for FIM's future following season three? Two reasons:

   

  a. Season three wasn't very up to snuff. It's the weakest of them all because the writing quality wasn't there. There was plenty of lackluster characterization outside of a spare few, Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo two of the bright spots. Several bold concepts were rushed on through or used poorly: the half-assed "one-size-fits-all" glove for stamping out bullying in One Bad Apple, Discord's crammed redemption in KCaFO, and MMC's crammed writing throughout.

   

  b. Because Hasbro's toyetic decisions weren't meshing well with the series. EQG was in no way, shape, or form a good quality movie. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. You have people like me who hate this movie (and spinoff altogether) for the bad writing, spitting on the pro-feminist roots of FIM, and lying about how FIM-related it is. It was so transparent, you're bound to get plenty of people angry.

• There is a big reason why the fandom sustained its size. Because people young and old saw a cartoon with plenty of charm that not only doesn't follow the tropes that scale the quality backwards, but also critiques it in a way that's understandable for both kids and adults (critiquing not just the common cultures that harm children in TV, but also the executive meddling process like Suited for Success). But when very toyetic directions like the Twilicorn and EQG all but shake up the direction of the show (and, canonically, is supported) and do it so poorly, that hurts FIM's integrity, severs the trust of plenty of people in this fandom, and sends mixed messages to the younger generation.

   

  (EQG may be a separate entity from the main series, but it's canon, and RR will also be canon.)

   

  Professional entertainment isn't just entertainment; claiming so is delusional. They're culture statements. Whatever they publish sends messages to society about what types of cultures — good or bad — they embrace and discourage. FIM was about dispelling hurtful cultures, and that's important because kids are notoriously influenced by what they see and hear. Parents are going to catch that and will decide the entertainment and products for them.

   

  The Twilicorn started off badly, but Season 4 gave the team the chance to make it work. So far, it's unconvincing, because the team either ignores it or tells it far too late in self-contained, TS-centered episodes. (It's still not too late for it to fully work, though.)

   

  EQG embraces an antifeminist culture in the writing (the main selling point), the concept, and especially the awful toyline. The market audience for FIM is sensitive enough. EQG's even more so because tween girls hit puberty at this stage. Any responsible parent would watch over them and smartly judge whether those tween-friendly products are right for them. The movie is inappropriate for its root-bashing tendencies and bad writing. The toys are dangerous partly because the dolls aren't just skinny, but scarily skinny. The dolls send VERY sexist messages, and that pushes society two steps back.

   

  Just because it's FIM-related doesn't make it good.

   

  What would help it instead? A full-length, well-made FIM movie that attracts people of all ages regardless of gender, age, or culture. FIM isn't just "for kids" or "for kids and adults sitting side by side." It's for anyone, age and sex be damned, even if they're willing to watch it alone. FIM is family-friendly for all ages and enjoyable for everyone, so have the team develop a high-quality Flash movie centering on the ponies and developing them via very strong, unique, well-executed storytelling concepts.

   

  Smaller toyetic decisions or ones that enhance the FIM canon are fine. Toyetic decisions from the marketing department that cause major plot contrivances are not.

   

  The fandom is passionate for the product, and they don't want to see dumb decisions hurt the product and segregate the demographics. As poor the wording it is, they know FIM isn't "their" show. "Their show" means the entire audience. Every single member of the audience matters. When one voice is lost, the compass weakens in strength. The "audience" trap that you and so many other people here use in this forum is a good way of telling kids, "Eat up this crap." That's harmful to all family-friendly products out there, including FIM, and disrespects the art forms of reviewing and media entertainment as a whole. Family, all-ages entertainment — and aforementioned toys, if applicable — needs to treat people young and old with intelligence and competence. It needs to be put under higher standards, not lower; one way to enforce those high standards is to never use the main demographics as an excuse for quality again.

What does this have to do with some people criticizing (and for others, disparaging) McCarthy's effort?

 

Some of their actions weren't excusable the slightest. Be critical all you want, even if it's harsh. Any of the non-trolls who slandered McCarthy (if they exist, which I'm sure do somewhere) are problematic. But your posts in this thread don't help the matter, and liberally using the slur "fanbrat" doesn't make yourself look better, either. By using logical fallacies, the common traps that passively excuse bad writing and overall production quality, the double standard that undermines the growth of this fandom, a Tumblr post with prejudiced and libelous language, use of "fanbrat," and a homophobic ad hominem, you slaughtered your own opinion and silenced your own voice in this thread. By contrast, you only strengthened those who don't like McCarthy's direction and gave them more fuel because they see you as someone who has no clue what he's talking about, is just as bad as those who disparaged McCarthy, or is even worse than them. They'll laugh at you because your ill-informed viewpoint made yourself (and by principle, every single person who brohoofed your posts in this thread) look clueless. Your posts aided in dividing and fracturing the fandom, not uniting them. That's very counterproductive.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Dark Qiviut

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

• For better or worse, executive meddling is a very big problem in family TV. Hasbro has a very mixed record of such. Some things did better, some haven't. But when they're done badly, they're done badly. They're infamous for sticking their noses in past MLP generations, Transformers, GI Joe, Care Bears, etc. Not all the results were good. Their decisions in MLP nearly killed the franchise. Therefore, you should expect many people to feel very apprehensive of whatever meddling Hasbro does, especially ones that can damage a now popular franchise like FIM.

   

  (Although Hasbro behaves like a toy company, they're not just a toy company anymore. They're a toy/media hybrid.)

   

^This, except for one thing: Care Bears is an American Greetings property.

 

 

If the episodes are good, then the team (from the writer to the editor — McCarthy today, Renzetti in seasons one and two — to the rest of DHX) deserves the praise it gets. That's why you have humungous praise for episodes like Lesson Zero, Sleepless in Ponyville, Party of One, Return of Harmony, Hurricane Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pride.

 

But if the work is very poorly done (Daring Don't, EQG, Spike at Your Service, Dragon Quest, Boast Busters, Bridle Gossip, MMMystery, Owl's Well), then the team deserves to be slammed, especially if they do a TERRIBLE job with sensitive subjects like racism in Bridle Gossip and bullying in One Bad Apple. Why? Because they — the reviewers, analysts, critics — have standards, know the team can deliver better, expect them to improve on their errors next time, and better research the subjects. If it's a sensitive one, you can't afford to screw up; otherwise, it's counterproductive and may unfortunately enforce those vile ideals.

That's when MLP needs to know its place.

[Forlong 1,726]

She said there would be no Flash Sentry in season 4...

 

LIES!

 

LIES!

 

LIES!

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

 

 

On your end, "take away their waifu" is an ad hominem and a very ignorant one at that. The real reason Flash Sentry isn't so welcomed is the fact that he isn't a character. He's a plot device. There's little personality to go by. Doing something and having things don't dictate characterization. And since one-dimensional personalities are frowned upon by FIM's roots, it makes Flash look unappealing and boring.

 

 

 

Just because it's written for a base market doesn't give professionals the excuse to not deliver.

 

 

 

Just because it's FIM-related doesn't make it good.

 

FRIGGING THANK YOU.

I've always hated the idea that being a fan of something means you have to accept every single thing that comes out of the object of your affection. While there are limits, of course, everyone has the right to be critical of something they like without being accused of being a bad fan. In fact, as long as you don't impede the enjoyment of people who conversely like the thing you are criticizing, that should be encouraged.

 

 

So when the show is snagged on Hasbro's bullcrap, she, unfortunately, gets much more blame than she should for stuff that's out of her control.

 

That said, like @@Dark Qiviut said, sometimes bad writing from the writers is just bad writing from the writers.

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

Mainly because of her hints and episodes that don't appeal to everyone for the most part.

 

That, and as the new Lauren Faust, not many take kind to her actions on the series.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,049]

If season 4 is any indication, I'd say she is doing a good job. Yes, that princess quote is a bit disheartening, but think about it, how much princess ness have we seen from Twilight in season 4 so far? Barely anything. They could have easily made Twilight the primary focus and had her being a magical princess right off the bat but no, they haven't done that at this point. She is a princess but they aren't making it the main focus and not thrusting us into madness by going insanely fast with it. If Hasbro and Meghan are as horrible as some claim, then why hasn't this happened? Why has season 4 been really enjoyable and featured quite a bit of diversity?

 

If anything, I'd say she is doing a great job, as well as the rest of the team.

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

 

 

Yes, that princess quote is a bit disheartening, but think about it, how much princess ness have we seen from Twilight in season 4 so far? Barely anything. They could have easily made Twilight the primary focus and had her being a magical princess right off the bat but no, they haven't done that at this point.

Good point. While I actually think we really should be feeling more effects of the princessification, It's cool that it hasn't become The Twilight Show.

 

Yet. We'll see how the finale handles it.

[FirestormCAN 246]

Qivuit, how dare you.

 

How dare you insult my intelligence, as well as everyone else in agreement with me, and those on that Tumblr post (including Pixelkitties and AleximusPrime). Need I remind you that the entire brony community had its roots in 4CHAN. The source of 90% of the stupidity on the internet. All those horrid traits rubbed off on many fans, and you fucking know it. Or not, 'cause from the sound of it you haven't been witness or subject to some really shitty comments and posts. LIKE I HAVE. You don't know what it's like to have some dumbass come to my gallery and be all "This episode was so stupid, and you're stupid for liking it."

 

Lemme ask you something, Qivuit. You been on Neopets? I've been there, and I'm still there. I'm nearly a ten-year veteran. I was there pre- and post-buyout at the hands of Viacom. Early on, people began to whine about the site's redesign and how radically different it is, despite it being a massive improvement over the old layout. It settled down after a while. Then came the NC Mall. And there's where it all went to shit. From that point onward, most of the effort went into the premium features, causing many features to be neglected. Item backlogs, lackluster games and site events, and lack of respect for loyal users. I lot of 'em left the site as a result. All because Viacom turned the site into a huge cash cow. While that's still true today, the staff at Neopets (now under the Nick Games division) have been putting more effort back into the main features. And for the most part, they've done quite well, with a few misses here and there. Some of the events have been astounding (and in one case, downright freaky), some of the new items are worth a giggle, and some of the loyal perks have been very helpful. It's why I'm still around, despite all the dumb things they did.

 

Similar principle applies to Hasbro, DHX and the series. They're all doing their damned best to make the series still enjoyable, despite falling into those old traps. I don't care it some things didn't work, I'm still enjoying the series. I loved the Royal Wedding. I've warmed up to Twilicorn. I still had fun with EQG. I have a right to enjoy the series how I want, no matter what happens. And no one on the entire internet can change that.

 

Also, I don't give a damn about how you think I should "butthurt" or "fanbrat." In the context of these stupid fans making a mess of things, I'll call these whining little punks whatever I want. I don't care about their origins. What else do you want me to say to these people, hmm? The old standbys?

 

Have a look at those numbers, man. 30 brohoofs to 3 and counting? I think it goes to show how fundamentally flawed your whole post is. They don't care about how I said it, what they care about is the message I was trying to convey. And that is, Meghan is being treated so unfairly by so many in this fanbase. You may be entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to mine as well. I'm only gonna say this once: back the fuck down.

 

As for you Furlong: *slap* It was not her goddamn idea. She did not lie. Stop saying she did.

[PrymeStriker 408]

I can't deny that the show's been on a slow decline since her involvement, especially since season four's premiere. Though, she's done some great work too. I don't hate anyone, honestly.

 

She said there would be no Flash Sentry in season 4...

 

LIES!

 

LIES!

 

LIES!

I hate Flash Sentry as a character. However, I don't see how this is something to piss your pants over. I didn't even notice he was in that episode until someone else pointed it out. Who cares if he made a cameo?

 

Ignore that brohoof. I meant to quote your post and I wasn't paying attention to what I was clicking.

 

But if the work is very poorly done (Daring Don't, EQG, Spike at Your Service, Dragon Quest, Boast Busters, Bridle Gossip, MMMystery, Owl's Well)

I only agree with Daring Don't, EQG, and Spike at your Service, and MMMystery. I thought Dragon Quest, Boast Busters, Bridle Gossip, and Owl's Well were fairly decent episodes.

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

• But for the sake of it, let's say it IS "for kids." Just because it's written for a base market doesn't give professionals the excuse to not deliver. This was one of the big reasons why Faust helped direct the show in season one and first half of the second: to prove to adults, especially parents of young girls, that the graphics may look saccharine, but still treats the audience young and old with respect.

   

  Any good product worth our time doesn't insult the audience; anytime it does, it deserves the scorn. "Audience" is no excuse for the bad delivery of a product's quality nor Hasbro's decisions to plug in bad toyetic concepts. By using the "audience" trap to excuse EQG's effort, the Twilicorn, and Hasbro's decisions, you're calling FIM an inherently weak product. It's also a major double standard that marginalizes one of the biggest reasons why this show is popular across generational boundaries.

   

  I've seen the copout admitted to be used in practice by the pros themselves for other franchises, like 4Kids for their dubbed anime, HiT Entertainment for Thomas & Friends (Series 8-16), and several Disney movies in the 1990s/2000s (Home on the Range, many of the Direct-to-DVD Disney flicks like Cinderella II and Pocahontas II, Chicken Little). Look at how bad they turned out to be.

I agree with this wholeheartedly and I don't hear this enough. "It's for kids" does not mean "it's okay to be stupid". As for your examples, I was in the Thomas fandom and I witnessed Thomas's decline firsthand and it went down hard since when I watched it. What's even worse is that people had the gall to use that defense on Sharon Miller when she quit the series.

 

This Brony Debates video explains it well, too.

 

As for everything about Equestria Girls...

People actually use "waifu stealing" and fanon-busting as legit means to hate on McCarthy?

 

What are we, Sonic Passion?

Edited February 28, 2014 by pegasusexpress2010

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

Qivuit, how dare you.

 

How dare you insult my intelligence, as well as everyone else in agreement with me, and those on that Tumblr post (including Pixelkitties and AleximusPrime). Need I remind you that the entire brony community had its roots in 4CHAN. The source of 90% of the stupidity on the internet. All those horrid traits rubbed off on many fans, and you fucking know it. Or not, 'cause from the sound of it you haven't been witness or subject to some really shitty comments and posts. LIKE I HAVE. You don't know what it's like to have some dumbass come to my gallery and be all "This episode was so stupid, and you're stupid for liking it."

 

Lemme ask you something, Qivuit. You been on Neopets? I've been there, and I'm still there. I'm nearly a ten-year veteran. I was there pre- and post-buyout at the hands of Viacom. Early on, people began to whine about the site's redesign and how radically different it is, despite it being a massive improvement over the old layout. It settled down after a while. Then came the NC Mall. And there's where it all went to shit. From that point onward, most of the effort went into the premium features, causing many features to be neglected. Item backlogs, lackluster games and site events, and lack of respect for loyal users. I lot of 'em left the site as a result. All because Viacom turned the site into a huge cash cow. While that's still true today, the staff at Neopets (now under the Nick Games division) have been putting more effort back into the main features. And for the most part, they've done quite well, with a few misses here and there. Some of the events have been astounding (and in one case, downright freaky), some of the new items are worth a giggle, and some of the loyal perks have been very helpful. It's why I'm still around, despite all the dumb things they did.

 

Similar principle applies to Hasbro, DHX and the series. They're all doing their damned best to make the series still enjoyable, despite falling into those old traps. I don't care it some things didn't work, I'm still enjoying the series. I loved the Royal Wedding. I've warmed up to Twilicorn. I still had fun with EQG. I have a right to enjoy the series how I want, no matter what happens. And no one on the entire internet can change that.

 

Also, I don't give a damn about how you think I should "butthurt" or "fanbrat." In the context of these stupid fans making a mess of things, I'll call these whining little punks whatever I want. I don't care about their origins. What else do you want me to say to these people, hmm? The old standbys?

 

Have a look at those numbers, man. 30 brohoofs to 3 and counting? I think it goes to show how fundamentally flawed your whole post is. They don't care about how I said it, what they care about is the message I was trying to convey. And that is, Meghan is being treated so unfairly by so many in this fanbase. You may be entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to mine as well. I'm only gonna say this once: back the fuck down.

 

As for you Furlong: *slap* It was not her goddamn idea. She did not lie. Stop saying she did.

 

Can't tell if trolling. This like the The Room of responses if this is serious.

 

He was just saying he's tired of people accusing people of being bad fans because they don't love every single thing that DHX puts out. You can like EQG and Canterlot Wedding if you want (you're probably in the majority), but don't bully someone if they don't agree with you.

[Shift 4,274]

I actually like her, my fanon is that she is seen as a great immortal goddess who defeated the demonic demon Tirek. Of course, she doesn't know that, she's trying to survive college 'cuz since she's older and is attempting to put her past behind her.

[Windseeker 546]

Okay, this is a very vague OP... judging by the posts, its definitely McCarthy. I really thought this thread meant that Meghan girl from the first generation My Little Pony, and that's simply because she's human.

 

Anyways, I don't know Meghan McCarthy all that well... as much as ponies are a huge part of my life, I was never ever so obsessive about how the episodes are done. It has ponies and a endearing little storyline that warms my heart and changes my perspective of the characters as their relationships between each other develop and change, that's all I care about. Sure, its nice to share opinions on a character's minor slip up on the newest episode, but I see no reason to bitch and carry on about the mechanics of a kids cartoon and taking it to great lengths to judge the quality of an entire season. If this is how the writers are being treated in response to bringing forth a cultural revolution then we are really not that better off than most fanbases after all

 

There is no such thing as a successful TV series that went one entire run without making a episode you might not like, but no matter how often you complains about it in a forum, it will result in nothing but grief on everyone's behalf.

[Guest90210 3,569]

Similar principle applies to Hasbro, DHX and the series. They're all doing their damned best to make the series still enjoyable, despite falling into those old traps. I don't care it some things didn't work, I'm still enjoying the series. I loved the Royal Wedding. I've warmed up to Twilicorn. I still had fun with EQG. I have a right to enjoy the series how I want, no matter what happens. And no one on the entire internet can change that.

 

No one said you don't have the right to enjoy those things. Qiviut gave his opinions on why he disliked them and gave some damn good reasons if you ask me.

 

 

Have a look at those numbers, man. 30 brohoofs to 3 and counting? I think it goes to show how fundamentally flawed your whole post is. They don't care about how I said it, what they care about is the message I was trying to convey.

 

Is this a joke? Are you seriously making this argument? More brohoofs vs a post that was made when the thread's activity died down makes your's better and more knowledgeable? Brohoofs don't change the quality of a post.

 

As for the rest of your post, I really don't know how to respond to it, as it's very long winded and full of aimless ranting.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Rivendare

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

Equestria girls existing. Lie to fans. Stupid trolling in Twitter. Flash Sentry. Twilicorn... Should I continue or that's enough?

 

P.S. I don't actually hate her, but not suppurting her neither. But you know it might be worse

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

But you know it might be worse

 

Yeah. It could be like that time in the 80's when the executive producer and head writer of Doctor Who actively tried to get the show cancelled because they hated it.

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

Yeah. It could be like that time in the 80's when the executive producer and head writer of Doctor Who actively tried to get the show cancelled because they hated it.

 

Actually that was the head of BBC at the time but yeah it did have a horrible effect on the show. Poor Colin Baker, he was screwed over big time.

Edited February 28, 2014 by TheCoffeeMan

[Fhaolan 4,491]

Yeah. It could be like that time in the 80's when the executive producer and head writer of Doctor Who actively tried to get the show cancelled because they hated it.

Yeah, what a lot of Bronies need to understand is that Hasbro doesn't hate the fandom. Hasbro actually puts a fair bit of effort into courting the Bronies with all their licensing deals. They're just not very good at it, just like anyone who tries to please a fandom. I've seen what happens when an IP owner really hates a fandom, and MLP is not showing any of the hallmarks of that.

 

Yes, holding the DHX crew to a high standard is a good thing, because 'it's just a little girl's show' is an amazingly silly statement. If you say things like that, you're really denigrating children and girls in particular. Children are only stupid because adults refuse to challenge them. And just because that child is a girl doesn't mean they can't deal with subject matter that boys can.

 

Conversely, getting upset about it is just as counter-productive. The 'angry nerd' review can be amusing for a bit, but becomes wearing and turns critique into meaningless shouting that nobody really pays any attention to. The point of critique is to help artists improve by pointing out flaws and strong points. Insulting them (and others) for their opinions simply doesn't do anything useful.

 

Honestly, I think Meghan has done a pretty good job given the restrictions I believe she is laboring under. Could she improve? Of course, everyone can. There is also a good chance that the role of 'showrunner' isn't really a good fit for her. They (and by they, I mean the producers of many different modern shows, not just MLP:FiM) keep trying to make the lead writer into a blend of editor, manager, director, and marketing executive, none of which has anything to do with being a good writer. And several shows I know of are having problems because of it. The lead writer wants to write, and instead is being forced into doing a lot of other things that they have no aptitude for, and their writing suffers.

 

So I'm not going to blame Meghan for the stumbles in the show. I'm not going to blame DHX, or Hasbro. Blame is pointless, and solves nothing. I am going to say that maybe they've organized their teams incorrectly, and they might be better to re-arrange roles a bit and lift some restrictions on those teams.

 

But I'm also not going to say that the stumbles didn't happen. They did, and if the team really wants to do the best they can, they need to recognize the stumbles and figure out how to make it better. And the team is more than just Meghan. It's the entire DHX crew, plus the Hasbro and Hub oversight management.

[crazitaco 596]

Er, not necessarily. Check out this conversation she sparked on Twitter that week.

 

 

 

 

You call making death threats and accusing her of taking away their waifu "criticism?" Tsk tsk, Rivendare. It's not that the staff are immune to criticism, but attacking them so harshly is pointless and does more harm than good.

Possible Thanks, M.A Larson joke?

Like this:

Or maybe i'm looking to much into it. I digress. While i don't have anything against Meghan... I think it would be better if she didn't talk so much all the time. She sort of spoils things, tends to not have all her facts straight before making claims (which leads people to think she's lying, when in reality she's just misinformed), and i can never really tell whether she's joking or not.

So yeah, i just see her as really unreliable.

Edited February 28, 2014 by crazitaco

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

Possible Thanks, M.A Larson joke?

Like this:

Or maybe i'm looking to much into it. I digress. While i don't have anything against Meghan... I think it would be better if she didn't talk so much all the time. She sort of spoils things, tends to not have all her facts straight before making claims (which leads people to think she's lying, when in reality she's just misinformed), and i can never really tell whether she's joking or not.

So yeah, i just see her as really unreliable.

 

Dat freaking gif.

 

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love the writers, but I trust them as far as I can throw them.

 

 

And several shows I know of are having problems because of it. The lead writer wants to write, and instead is being forced into doing a lot of other things that they have no aptitude for, and their writing suffers.

 

*cough**cough*

 

Flipping cold making me hack up images.

Edited February 28, 2014 by CITRUS KING46

[Forlong 1,726]

Wait, people actually take this seriously?

 

Okay, my last post was a joke because I think the only reason to dislike Meghan is a deep seeded hatred for outstanding quality.  She has written 12 episodes so far and only Power Ponies even comes close to being bad.  And that one was a collaboration, so it's a little hard to see who is responsible for that.

 

I don't care if she said "every girl wants to be a princess", she has shown herself to be a brilliant writer deserving nothing but our praise.

 

While on the subject of her talking about princesses, do you want to know the context of that line?  Here is the full quote from her:

 

Being a good pony who shares the gifts that they have been given with others.  We’re building a very unique mythology around being a princess.  Every little girl wants to be a princess, and not everybody can get to be a princess—but you can live up to the ideals that should come along with being a princess.

And here's a link to the Entertainment Weekly article in question:

http://family-room.ew.com/2013/01/29/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-exclusive-twilight-princess/

 

So...the fandom complains about Meghan making Twilight a princess out of nowhere.  Then, when see explains herself, they take her explanation out of context to senselessly bash her. P!nk, can you handle this one?

Edited February 28, 2014 by Forlong

[Gyruss 125]

I personally have no beef with McCarthy.  Having said that, my cynical side has something to say about why people dislike her.

"She's not Faust."