general Liberal or Conservative?

[Phosphor 11,528]

In my teens and early 20's: Neoconservative. I was socially conservative but had a weird mix of left and right leaning ideas economically. I can remember being in favor of price controls and stuff. I was a big fan of Bush, Bill Kristol and a few others at that time. Yikes, I know.

Mid to late 20's (current): Right leaning libertarian. 

It's kinda fun to look back at my old political views. 

[Twiggy 2,966]

Looked back at the time I posted in this thread and realized that for whatever reason I provided a boomer-tier take. I'm an AnCap. Surely @The Whiteraven and I are going to be the best of friends.

Spoiler

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by Twiggy

[FizzyWind 64]

Tbh I consider myself to be more of a socialist. 

[O-78 28,606]

I'm more of a left-leaning moderate myself.

[Celtore 2,770]

I'm probably somewhere in the center-left.

Economics wise, I'm a believer in regulation because I don't think companies can be trusted to do the right thing instead of the cheapest/easiest thing. Look at what's happening with asbestos; we were still mining the bloody stuff into 2011 and we still aren't banning it because of brake pads. Hell, it was supposed to be banned January of this year, but the automotive industry somehow got it delayed until 2019. And according to this article, which is quoting a government report, all of this is over a $5 difference in price per unit. (Got a bit off topic, but stuff like this is why I think the way I do.)

As for social leaning, I'm probably a little more left leaning too. I support gender/racial blindness and treating everyone equally; try to look through the differences and simply treat people like people.

Edited October 10, 2018 by Celtore

[EpicEnergy 23,218]

Whatever side is most supportive or closest to my beliefs. That's why I'm currently a conservative.

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

If I HAD to choose, I'd be a conservative. Not because I actually care for that party, but because California's liberals are some of the worst people I've ever met. I can't stand them. They're nothing but fascists operating under the guise of benevolence.

I'm a straight, white male. I want to advance in life by creating and building my own intellectual property. I want to own a gun. And in their view, this makes me a bad person. On top of that, I work security for a living. Not a day goes by when I'm not seeing these leftists give me these weird looks, like I'm some white supremacist cop looking to victimize a person of color. I've had people complain to my boss and accuse me of profiling them just for walking within ten feet of them. Some of them even threatened to kill to me. For a group of people so obsessed with defending the rights of minorities, they're awfully quick to demonize me and use that as an excuse to trample all over mine. I want no dealings with idealogues who can't recognize their own hypocrisy.

[honk friend 1,978]

On 5/10/2018 at 9:30 PM, The Whiteraven said:

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[honk friend 1,978]

I feel like this should sum me up quite well.

[Here No Longer 5,276]

I already posted here, I know. But, I'll do so again, because why not?

 

I'm NEITHER. I'm not a liberal (I actually can't stand them), I'm not a conservative (can't stand them either), and I'm not a "centrist" (liberals, as far as I know and am concerned, are actually authoritarian centrists). If I had to label it, I'd be a libertarian leftist that's much more concerned about freedom and equality than about economics.

I believe in the right of people to be whoever they want, but not to shove it down everyone else's throats and become intolerant. I believe in non-aggression, but we should defend ourselves if need be. I believe in LGBTQ rights, but I don't believe there are 52 genders or whatever. I believe that dreamers should be able to stay in this country (because they CAN'T apply for things like visas and green cards), but keep out the people that are fully capable of coming here legally. As for economics, I believe in the rich paying more taxes, but keep it below 50%. I believe in the living wage, but I also see that going too far would hurt the small businesses of this country that couldn't afford to pay their workers $15 an hour.

I supported Bernie Sanders in the 2016 election. I still sort of like him, but I have problems with some of his viewpoints ($15 minimum wage would be BAD for small businesses, and he's pro-Israel...). Though I really like Noam Chomsky's viewpoints on a lot of things better. 

[O-78 28,606]

This is my political compass:

[Olly 1,011]

I'm liberal and have always seen myself that way. However, we're currently in a strange place politically- at least in the US.

I support a more socialistic idea of government, I think it's the duty of the government to provide for and protect it's citizens, however I am very much against censorship of all kinds. I believe we need to address climate issues far more seriously than we do, and take much stronger measures to address them. I am against gun ownership, but I do believe in tighter border control. I have no stance currently on abortion, and I'm pro gay and transgender rights. I think people should be paid better and college should be less expensive. 

Being liberal doesn't mean loving the movie black panther and complaining about oppression by white men, I'd like to make that clear.

[Here No Longer 5,276]

I identify as neither. I'm a libertarian leftist. I agree a lot with people like Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, and Sam Harris on politics for real reference. Though I am for gun rights as well as the re-implementation of the gold standard.

Edited March 7, 2019 by ~Dusky~

[Anneal 2,197]

3 hours ago, ~Dusky~ said:

I identify as neither. I'm a libertarian leftist. I agree a lot with people like Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, and Sam Harris on politics for real reference. Though I am for gun rights as well as the re-implementation of the gold standard.

Harris and Chomsky aren't exactly on the same spectrum though. Chomsky is a libertarian socialist, while Harris is more moderate, and both have had beef with each other (namely with Harris being very pro-Israel). While I lean a bit to the right myself though, I would still probably end up voting Bernie if only because rational and sensible politicians in US politics have been in rather short supply, and that goes for both parties. 

[Here No Longer 5,276]

6 minutes ago, Anneal said:

Harris and Chomsky aren't exactly on the same spectrum though. Chomsky is a libertarian socialist, while Harris is more moderate, and both have had beef with each other (namely with Harris being very pro-Israel).

I thought Harris wasn't pro-Israel... Huh. Well, there's a disagreement I have with him, because I'm definitely not pro-Israel. (though Bernie also is and I know that and it frustrates me)... Although I won't deny the Palestinians aren't saints, the Israelis are far worse in my opinion. I still agree with him on a lot though, especially when he talks about religion. As for Chomsky, I agree with most of what he says.

 

Edited March 8, 2019 by ~Dusky~

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,984]

I am confused by the definition of Liberal and Conservative as it is often used; it seems that the term Liberal is often used in place of Socialist (I suppose ultimately valuing equality over freedom) and ironically is more authoritarian in nature, and Conservative... its definition is not obvious to me.

I think Classical Liberal is the best description of my political leaning. I have immense distrust of government and, for the most part, I see no legitimate role for it to have other than protecting property rights, enforcing law, and defending the country. Any role beyond those three should be handled by the market. The problem with government getting involved in regulating something is that it tends to become counterproductive and encroach onto other matters outside its original purpose, its bureaucracy has little to no incentive to better itself (a dissatisfied individual cannot simply refuse to purchase the service nor vote them out), and they are difficult to kill; at least there is a chance for you to refuse service to a private monopoly whereas you must pay your taxes even if you vehemently oppose a given government function. Any government attempt to control the economy benefits special interests and makes everyone else worse off (antitrust laws help maintain monopolies and oligopolies, minimum wage increasing unemployment rate, rent controls making living expenses more costly, etc). In the free market, however, everyone must engage in mutually beneficial transactions. In short, government not touching the economy.

I have been thinking about the idea that permanently maintaining a minimal state as I described would be well worth sacrificing suffrage; democratic political incentives tend to be based on a far shorter time span compared to that of the economy so politicians are more tempted to cave to special interest groups for votes rather than actually improving the economy in the long run. However, I doubt there is a way to actually create such a state or to maintain it without being corrupted somehow; I find myself agreeing with the saying that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.

Edited March 8, 2019 by Luna the Great of all the Russias

[Twiggy 2,966]

2 hours ago, ~Dusky~ said:

(though Bernie also is and I know that and it frustrates me)

Gotta cut him a bit of slack though for it imo. You pretty much can't function as a politician without supporting Israel in the US. Just look at Ilhan Omar. A little criticism of the Israeli lobby and all Reps and a significant portion of Dems are calling for her to be off of her committees. Some are even calling for a censure. The way people are treating it you would think she tried to pass a law that said gas the k***s or something.

Edited March 8, 2019 by Twiggy

[Here No Longer 5,276]

15 minutes ago, Twiggy said:

Gotta cut him a bit of slack though for it imo. You pretty much can't function as a politician without supporting Israel in the US. Just look at Ilhan Omar. A little criticism of the Israeli lobby and all Reps and a significant portion of Dems are calling for her to be off of her committees. Some are even calling for a censure. The way people are treating it you would think she tried to pass a law that said gas the k***s or something.

Yeah, I agree there. I cut him a lot of slack because he's one of the few good politicians in this country anymore. The rest are corrupt and evil, for the most part. There's still Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard. I'm good with them also.

Edited March 8, 2019 by ~Dusky~

[Dashy 4 Ever 4,835]

I always keep with the conservative side and ideas.

[Anneal 2,197]

15 hours ago, ~Dusky~ said:

I thought Harris wasn't pro-Israel... Huh. Well, there's a disagreement I have with him, because I'm definitely not pro-Israel. (though Bernie also is and I know that and it frustrates me)... Although I won't deny the Palestinians aren't saints, the Israelis are far worse in my opinion. I still agree with him on a lot though, especially when he talks about religion. As for Chomsky, I agree with most of what he says.

Harris has been a major critic of religion, but just like Dawson, he seems to specifically target Islam and be overwhelmingly pro-Israel, sometimes to the point of denying IDF-related war crimes (like both sides using human shields or targeting civilians). It almost problematically borders on Islamophobia. Also, Bernie is not totally pro-Israel; recently he had defended Ilhan Omar's for being critical of Israel. The Israel-Palestine issue is very complicated, even within the Democratic Party. I usually just watch potholer54. He tries his best to stay politically neutral and usually criticizes global warming denialism, creationism and fundamentalism, and various types of pseudoscience, even certain "left-wing" ones like the anti-GMO, anti-nuclear, and anti-vaccination movements. 

14 hours ago, ~Dusky~ said:

Yeah, I agree there. I cut him a lot of slack because he's one of the few good politicians in this country anymore. The rest are corrupt and evil, for the most part. There's still Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard. I'm good with them also.

They seem to be in short supply on the Democratic side and even shorter supply on the Republican side, especially with McCain out of the picture now. There's still John Kasich, Colin Powell, James Mattis, and Susan Collins. Sadly, if you're not a Tea Party member or a war hawk (isn't it funny that the Republicans who actually served in the military tend to be far more rational?), then you get called out for being a RINO or "cuckservative". It makes it very hard to have a conversation with the left-wing when all people see on the right here in the US are a bunch of nutjobs. Conservatives in Europe and East Asia are never this nutty. 

[Twiggy 2,966]

1 hour ago, Anneal said:

Sadly, if you're not a Tea Party member or a war hawk (isn't it funny that the Republicans who actually served in the military tend to be far more rational?), then you get called out for being a RINO or "cuckservative".

RINO, yes. Cuckservative, not so much.  The cuckservative term generally applies to the republicans claim to have certain values, only to completely throw them out once in office. A few examples would be people who say that they are against illegal immigration and then vote for amnesty, or someone who claims on the campaign trail that they want to end the forever wars only to never do so and instead attack Syria after the annual false flag gas attack, or someone who completely cucks to Pelosi on a border wall deal just so he can give a televised speech that no one really cares about.

[Lucid_Nightlight 923]

I lean towards the Conservative. I am a complete and total Capitalist, completely pro-gun, and all that.

[Phosphor 11,528]

I'm still a right leaning libertarian. Immigration and the environment are where I deviate from libertarianism. I lean left on the environment and support strict immigration policies.

On guns, I was born pro-gun. Belt-fed machine guns sound good to me!  

[Dark Qiviut 22,396]

Unlike some other leftists, I own the "liberal" label, and I'm hard left.

And many of my political opinions are very firm, particularly regarding the genocidal treatment of Palestinians by Israel's modern apartheid, peace over war and sanctions and regime change, de-nuclearization of energy and war supplies, urgency of climate change, public funding of all elections, nationalization of municipal transport, anti-monopolization of businesses, ending the War on Drugs, high taxes on billionaires and fortune 500 companies, and the right to education, healthcare, income (both UBI and at least a $15/hour national wage), drinking water, and housing.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Dark Qiviut

[Early Sunsets 2,106]

I had always considered myself right, but I guess I'm about as neutral as one can get