Lauren Faust feminist

[Cyrus Summers 34]

I noticed on her Wikipedia page that it says she is a feminist. "Not to be confused with SJW(Social Justice Warriors) feminist".

 

But considering the bad reputation feminism has gotten lately. I am just curious to what you think?

[Plageius 263]

I noticed on her Wikipedia page that it says she is a feminist. "Not to be confused with SJW(Social Justice Warriors) feminist".

 

But considering the bad reputation feminism has gotten lately. I am just curious to what you think?

Nothing, but then again, I don't really think highly of antifeminism either. 

[Vulcan 3,254]

Unsurprising given how well FiM has long supported strong Female role models. I think the bad reputation of feminism are only from those who confuse Equalitarian feminism (I don't know if that's the real name for it) and Feminazi Feminism. The former , actually making good strides in empowering women to be whoever they want and whose Ideals I actually support while the latter being crazy...very very crazy o_o. I'm pretty sure Lauren is in the former, So I'm actually in favor of it. 

Edited July 29, 2016 by Crescent Light

[Kagami-sama 320]

Well, everybody has their flaws.

[Cyrus Summers 34]

Unsurprising given how well FiM has long supported strong Female role models. I think the bad reputation of feminism are only from those who confuse Equalitarian feminism (I don't know if that's the real name for it) and Feminazi Feminism. The former , actually making good strides in empowering women to be whoever they want and whose Ideals I actually support while the latter being crazy...very very crazy o_o. I'm pretty sure Lauren is in the former, So I'm actually in favor of it. 

Well i dont mind that. I dont see that is unfamiliar to have that in games or movies. I either think MLP is good because its just a fun show in general with fun moments. But i see the anti feminist movement being just as crazy as SJW soon in some matter that are looking for someone to blame.

 

But i find it sorta hypocritical that SJW feminism seems to be blaming games. I mean if anything anime deserves it more and that says alot "I mean come on, shorts and tshirts on Lara is sexist? Pleeeease. And i love that game, atleast the first one on PS1 not the Square Enix adaptations"

[SolyWack 482]

Feminism is another word like "socialist", where really the meaning isn't that bad, it's just the stigma being attached to it. Feminism is usually attached with women who degrade men and laze about because they are "overworked".

 

But feminism is really just wanting equal rights for women. I thought we got that back in like 1919 (cited, look it up), but I mean whatever.

 

To each there own I guess. She made a good show, not like I'm gonna start hating her for something so trivial.

[El Duderino 879]

Well, feminism has always had a bad reputation. In the early days, men just thought women were crazy for wanting things like voting rights and jobs. Now days, is has a bad name from the feminists who degrade men and say things like "i won't play this game because you can't play as a female and that makes the game developer sexist" (seriously, I've seen almost that exact statement on a game forum before) all that sort of stuff. I find that most feminists are not like that (most are just trying to get fair and equal treatment, which is a very noble cause that I support), but you know the phrase "a few rotten apples spoil the whole bunch".

Edited July 29, 2016 by El Duderino

[Cyrus Summers 34]

Well, feminism has always had a bad reputation. In the early days, men just thought women were crazy for wanting things like voting rights and jobs. Now days, is has a bad name from the feminists who degrade men and say things like "i won't play this game because you can't play as a female and that makes the game developer sexist" (seriously, I've seen almost that exact statement on a game forum before) all that sort of stuff. I find that most feminists are not like that (most are just trying to get fair and equal treatment, which is a very noble cause that I support), but you know the phrase "a few rotten apples spoil the whole bunch".

Well i think having female characters in games is ok. So its not wrong to ask for that. I remember having old games were you had the option to choose between boy and a girl in some games, like "40 Winks" on PS1 for example.

 

But what i think its unfair to blame this simply on games, i would say anime is much more guiltier of sexism than games in general. I mean sure some games are really overdone of half naked girls which i don't think much of, but this is generally not a problem with games only, but aswell with movie and tv industry in general like "Game of Thrones" a popular series to mention some examples.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Cyrus Summers

[SolyWack 482]

Well i think having female characters in games is ok. So its not wrong to ask for that. I remember having old games were you had the option to choose between boy and a girl in some games, like "40 Winks" on PS1 for example.

 

But what i think its unfair to blame this simply on games, i would say anime is much more guiltier of sexism than games in general. I mean sure some games are really overdone of half naked girls which i don't think much of, but this is generally not a problem with games only, but aswell with movie and tv industry in general like "Game of Thrones" a popular series to mention some examples.

 

I know why you mentioned Game of Thrones, but let me ask you. Why is it okay for the "top" of men to be shown, but not women? Isn't feminism aiming for equal rights between genders?

[Cyrus Summers 34]

I know why you mentioned Game of Thrones, but let me ask you. Why is it okay for the "top" of men to be shown, but not women? Isn't feminism aiming for equal rights between genders?

Sensuality is the keyword i think. Anything can be sexual if you put your mind to it, the fact that females have hips and boobs or anything at all feminine is kinda what nature wants, while males just tries to find someone to mate with in general. Its however true that tribes in the past didn't care if women were topless, since it was natural. But shaming as a cultural norm likely developed this. I am not really sure honestly, i just think most likely that men is masculine so you can't shame him for being topless.

 

But good question i'll give you that.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Cyrus Summers

[El Duderino 879]

Well i think having female characters in games is ok. So its not wrong to ask for that. I remember having old games were you had the option to choose between boy and a girl in some games, like "40 Winks" on PS1 for example.

 

But what i think its unfair to blame this simply on games, i would say anime is much more guiltier of sexism than games in general. I mean sure some games are really overdone of half naked girls which i don't think much of, but this is generally not a problem with games only, but aswell with movie and tv industry in general like "Game of Thrones" a popular series to mention some examples.

I totally agree. Female characters are awesome. I never said I don't like female characters, or that it's not ok. There does need to be more good female characters in games AND movies/TV, but I've met people who seem to think a game is sexist just because the character is male, and they get really up in arms about it to the point of just being unreasonable. It's an example of the type of feminists that "spoil the whole bunch" and give feminism a bad reputation as I said before. And like I also said, most feminists are not like this. Also, I was just using games as an example. I am not blaming games. This applies to a lot of mediums of entertainment, this was just an example I thought of off the top of my head from personal experience.

[KatonRyu 1,033]

Well, true feminism was never a bad thing to begin with. The movement that is getting all the flak right now is just a caricature of what the original concept once was. The kind of feminism Lauren Faust adheres to, the good kind, is one that is more common sense than anything else. It just calls for equality and equity between men and women, rather than trying to shame every white straight man for being male. Since she's following the true meaning of feminism there's nothing wrong with referring to herself in that way. Distancing herself from the term would mean the mockery the feminazis are making of it gains ground, however little, and no one in their right mind would want that.

[Corgis 574]

I don't see feminists as a bad thing.  In my workplace I have heard people say things like "she is only a woman so she is not as capable as me".  Sexism is still a very real issue in our society and it is idiotic that one gender would be put down like that.  Now when people start to put down men as being inferior to woman then that starts to bug me as they are being just as bad as the men who put woman down.  

[Solid 1,327]

So far from what I've seen she doesn't seem like the SJW or radical feminist type. She does get quite passionate in arguments to support her points but she has not taken it far to the extreme. She still respects people and their individual opinions.

[Steve Piranha 29,424]

Didn't she wrote a PPG episode against feminazis ?

[Whirlwind 1,057]

There's no problem on her being a feminist.

It's feminazi's that are the problem. Which Faust is NOT a feminazi 

[cider float 2,538]

Nothing. That's her belief, she doesn't try to shove it in anyone's face. And I wouldn't be surprised if she was one anyway. All I know is she's made a great show.

[Seraph 128]

Unsurprised, considering the fact that the majority of the characters in the show are women and the show is made up of well-rounded female characters, it's unsurprising. 

Keep in mind, Feminism isn't some sort of monolithic thing that's all these women believing in the same thing. That's why labeling someone as feminist really doesn't tell you what they believe in ideologically wise. It's a pretty broad and vague term if you actually look things up about it.  If you go only by dictionary definitions, then it's the belief that women should have equal rights to men, but there's a lot of subsets of that.

 

It's similar to calling someone a Conservative or a Liberal, you have to know what sort of conservative or liberal they are to get an idea of what they believe. 

Edited August 12, 2016 by Seraph

[Looking Glass 197]

Feminism at its core is not bad, personally, I agree with its core message, mainly, its about breaking down gender roles and doing what you like. The problem comes when "feminists" trash its intents by acting superior to men and putting down women who choose to partake in a "traditional" action, like being a housewife. You can still be a feminist without being a man-hating lesbian with a bitch haircut and an attitude.

 

Ms Faust is a great positive role model for the cause

[woodgazer 71]

It seems like everyone here has their own personal definition of some of the terms "feminism", "feminazi", "radical feminism" and others, based on little of substance.

So. Feminism has many branches. The common denominator is that the feminismS want women to have equal rights as men, socially, economically and personally. No matter of what term anyone would want to describe that with, I think almost everyone in here wants that. Right?

 

As for "radical feminism", it stresses the existance of patriarchy - which is the notion that there is a system in place in society, which rewards men and subdues women, in the way power is distributed (how many countries have had a female leader?), economically (why do women get paid less for the same job?) and in domestic violence which is commonly practiced by men.

The word "feminazi" is, in my opinion, overly used, by people who want to dismiss dissidents. Don't forget Hitler opposed the feminists of his time (making the "nazi" part of the word weird). There are all sorts of silly people out there wanting all the power to their own group. And yes, probably some of them are women, calling themselves feminists. I think one is making a hasty conclusion when dismissing all feminisms based on what some nutty person will say about men.

So. If you want everyone to share equal rights, a lot of people would consider you a feminist. Whether you want to call yourself one, that's up to you. And if you're not a fan of equal rights, educate yourself, pronto.

[Ruthborn 55]

Woodgazer.....

 

Men don't have as many "rights" as you seem to think they do. Women have a lot more freedom to do things than men do.

 

Digressing....

 

I prefer the term Equality, as Feminism is associated solely with women and not men (and not all men (or women for that matter) like being referred too as "feminine"). The power has already been given to them, let's focus on both genders for a change, hm?

[woodgazer 71]

Woodgazer.....

 

Men don't have as many "rights" as you seem to think they do. Women have a lot more freedom to do things than men do.

 

Digressing....

 

I prefer the term Equality, as Feminism is associated solely with women and not men (and not all men (or women for that matter) like being referred too as "feminine"). The power has already been given to them, let's focus on both genders for a change, hm?

There are many cultural prisons in the world. The only feminism/s I want is the one/s that strives to free everyone from them. How many men haven't been called 'gay' for loving ponies? (And, as a sidenote, although the term 'gay' in that situation is surely used and meant as an insult, why would anyone take it as one?) How many men in the industrialized world could dress in women's clothes and not get picked on for it? Why are we men expected to not have emotions or bond with our children as much as women?

 

And how many girls in developing countries are denied an education because of their gender? How many Western women are discontinued from their jobs just because they're expecting a baby? How many women fear sexual violence on a daily basis?

 

It doesn't even matter which gender you feel is more lacking of rights. You still want equal rights. You still want everyone to be able to go to school and get treated equally in the workplace and at home. You want to be a brony and not be called names. Right?

 

And so I agree. Let's focus on both genders. It's a common notion that feminism/s cares only for women - and I hope you will believe me when I say in most cases that's not correct. (Check out "The mask we live in"!) There are women and men, tirelessly struggling for the possibilities to break out of our prisons. I know I need feminism (or equality, that term's fine too). It gives me (yet being a straight white man) more liberty, not less.

 

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This though. It's just plain wrong.

Edited August 16, 2016 by woodgazer

[UniquelyAverage 0]

On 16/08/2016 at 8:44 AM, woodgazer said:

This though. It's just plain wrong.

To be fair to that news headline, regardless of the athletes involved, I'm far more interested in how a race ended with a tie for second despite having, as far as I am aware, multiple professional judges and high speed cameras to help decide the rankings than I am in a new world record which could theoretically have been broken by the time the article was published.

As long as the thought process behind the decision to lay the news out in this way was similar to what I've described, I think this is entirely justified. If they're trying to use a well known athlete's name to get people to pick up their newspaper, that's wrong but excusable. However, if they did it purely because of gender, then I agree that it is just wrong and inexcusable.

Edited August 22, 2017 by UniquelyAverage

[Techno Universal 2,575]

Well the interesting thing with me is that I've got a female side of me even though I'm a guy. It's like I'm mentally both male and female at the same time and it's a really mysterious and unexplainable thing for me. It's like I might actually be a feminist deep inside. Anyways I think feminism is really a neutral thing in our society like there's nothing necessarily bad about it and there's nothing super good about it.      

[AlbaTross 1,586]

On 2016-07-28 at 11:26 PM, Vulcan said:

Unsurprising given how well FiM has long supported strong Female role models. I think the bad reputation of feminism are only from those who confuse Equalitarian feminism (I don't know if that's the real name for it) and Feminazi Feminism. The former , actually making good strides in empowering women to be whoever they want and whose Ideals I actually support while the latter being crazy...very very crazy o_o. I'm pretty sure Lauren is in the former, So I'm actually in favor of it. 

The terms you're looking for are liberal feminism, and radical feminism.  It is unfortunate that radical feminism is what people immediately think of when the term feminism is brought up as it is actually something feminism was never meant to be, and actually probably isn't worthy of being called feminism.  Female supremacy is a better term to describe radical feminism.  A teacher I had once said she thinks everyone should be a liberal feminst, and I'm inclined to agree.  

I'm all for equal treatment and empowering the fairer sex to have the same opportunities.  I'm just against going beyond that to push some kind of BS agenda of hate against males.  Maybe that's what people mean when they label feminists as "SJW".  I'm starting to think the right has been misunderstood all this time and isn't actually advocating for hate and inequality, but rather for people to stop hating on White guys as that goes very much against notions of equality and harmony that FiM is built on.  

I think of all identity based activism as an inherently good thing if it's framed in a positive way.  Turning around and hating on another group is downright hypocritical and goes down a road such activism should never go down.  Also, such activism is a tool that only needs to exist until such time as the end goal of equality is achieved as at that point there will be no need for it anymore.

I have no problem with Lauren Faust being a Liberal Feminist.  Hey, there's some alliteration for you.  If I recall, Lauren Faust also advocated for having more male characters in the show.  I don't think she's the kind of feminist people should hate on.