What if they made Saw "as in horror movie series" cameo in MLP?

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Just now, Chrylestia600 said:

I think @Jeric does, though, hence him saying; 

"I an not usually a judgemental person, I'm fine with people with all sorts of interests and tastes. That said, I keep my distance from those that enjoy gore in FiM media."

But anyways, wow, Mortal Kombat. There was a time where I wanted to play it, but yeah... it's too gory for me.

Yeah. Mortal kombat makes saw look bland in terms of gore. 

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Just now, Midnight Controller said:

Yeah. Mortal kombat makes saw look bland in terms of gore. 

Really?!? 

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Now all that is missing is that Jigsaw laugh.

 

Edited August 9, 2017 by SunshineFlow

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16 minutes ago, Chrylestia600 said:

Really?!? 

Oh you have no idea.

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2 hours ago, Chrylestia600 said:

I probably should've been more clear. I meant that saying that is is, for a fact, 'torture porn,' is incorrect. It's an opinion, not a fact.

Ok. Let me elucidate a tad. 

Those who are huge fans of the series experience emotions that fit the psychological definition of arousal, so it's a fitting description even used clinically -- it just gets bonus points for being witty at the same time. Me calling it torture porn was less of an opinion that you think ...

And while I was going to leave this topic alone, I almost think it is important to start attaching study after study explaining exactly what I mean. The unfortunate part of that tactic is that it might have a personal chilling effect on some.

I would derive not one ounce of pleasure when you read expert after expert suggesting the correlations they found, and any negative impact on your self-worth would not be worth it. If you have access to academic libraries, do some research. 

In this very topic there was an opinion that legitimately applauded the concept of murder on the basis that one does not appreciate their life. That is a sickening belief. While not championing the methods ... any credence given to that idea is an individual I do not want to know ... and anyone I already know that does feel that way would quickly be jettisoned from my social circle. 

I have too much of a deep respect for life to think otherwise. I have too much empathy for those addicted or those who are facing mental health conditions to suggest they are inherently less worthy of life than I am. 

I adore slashers and horror films in general, and consider Stephen King to be a modern Masters wordsmith. I am also not a prude who demands some internalized metric of decency from people. This isn't some idiotic call for censorship. People in the fandom like to get their sexy on with the shows characters ... and I'm fine with that. People like to take a dark ass turn when dealing with gore in FiM. I personally dislike that, but that alone isn't why I'm even in this topic. Show your pride and stop with the oddly amusing PR that is concealed apologetics about the fact you enjoy seeing limbs fly. When you like something -- say a butterfly -- have the common courtesy and self respect to call it what it is. 

Also, Mr. Jigsaw isn't just some misguided helper. I've seen the films. His motivations often go toward common wrathful vengeance. And he is misguided. The freaking moron doesn't understand neurology at all. You don't create a lust for life by inculcated trauma. At best he runs a mental illness swap meet. Trade your substance abuse for PTSD! 

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Personally, I don't really think torture porn and  cartoons for kids doesn't really blend well. 

11 hours ago, SunshineFlow said:

The key philosophy to the series is humans who are not worthy of life dont deserve life. Its a very good philosophy

No, it isn't. All humans are deserve life regardless of how "worthy" of it they are.

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Yeah I don't think a horror franchise like Saw would make any sort of cameo in MLP, nor should it. Maybe some of the horror franchises like Friday the 13th with the mask that has become more pop culture than true horror... but not something like Saw.

 

31 minutes ago, Chrylestia600 said:

@Jeric

I.... don't really know what to say.

I don't like seeing limbs fly... I hate gore. I hate seeing people get hurt. I have a horrible phobia of hurting people. The only thing I meant by it not being a fact, was that the people who made it didn't intend for it to be a gorefest originally, they had a story for the movie... they didn't intend for it to be taken as torture porn.

I don't agree with Jigsaw, and I don't believe that anyone should actually have to go through what's displayed in those movies. It's horrible, and no one deserves it. All I ever meant was that for a horror character, I thought they did a good job of creating a well thought-out villain.

That's all I can say. Wow, I've screwed up today more than I can recall in recent memory.

I am sorry Chrylestia, I know you won't like hearing this, but it is what it is... the makers of the film did indeed intend for it to be a gorefest... they made the film, they had complete control of what they put out. If that was not their intent they most certainly could have toned it back. No one said they did not have a story to tell.... even the most horrible films can be telling a story, that has nothing to do with how the story is presented. Whether or not they wanted to make a torture porn film or not, that is what they made... so much so that it was replicated 6 (assumingly 7) more times with increasing fervor to please the horror fans who demanded more. Make no mistake... the original film may have wanted to tell a twisted tale, but the fans of excessive gore and cruelty are what kept it coming back. I have yet to ever hear anyone say "I just go see the Saw films for the storyline!" And of course that goes for most slasher flicks and over the top murder or death spree films. You may want to tell your version of War and Peace.. but when you fill it with reverse bear traps you are gathering a certain type of audience. Which is fine... if people enjoy that type of film, more power to them. We don't all have to enjoy the same things after all.

And I will agree... Jigsaw was a well thought out and effective villain. A truly twisted and monstrous individual that had a horrific outlook upon the world and society as we know it, and decided to add his own savagery to the mix instead of trying to think of actual ways to better it.

 

11 hours ago, SunshineFlow said:

The key philosophy to the series is humans who are not worthy of life dont deserve life. Its a very good philosophy

No it isn't. In fact it is one of the worst. Who decides who is worthy of life? By that philosophy if someone hates MLP and fans of it,  then they deserve to die and should be allowed to act upon it. Once upon a time there was a man who had that philosophy, and he did a pretty thorough job of making his vision come to life... a lot of innocent people died because of it (around 20-25 Million or so if you add them all up by many reports) and a lot more people went to war to put a stop to it.

It is not a philosophy... it is a bigots wet dream come true.

 

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6 hours ago, GrimGrimoire said:

Yeah I don't think a horror franchise like Saw would make any sort of cameo in MLP, nor should it. Maybe some of the horror franchises like Friday the 13th with the mask that has become more pop culture than true horror... but not something like Saw.

 

I am sorry Chrylestia, I know you won't like hearing this, but it is what it is... the makers of the film did indeed intend for it to be a gorefest... they made the film, they had complete control of what they put out. If that was not their intent they most certainly could have toned it back. No one said they did not have a story to tell.... even the most horrible films can be telling a story, that has nothing to do with how the story is presented. Whether or not they wanted to make a torture porn film or not, that is what they made... so much so that it was replicated 6 (assumingly 7) more times with increasing fervor to please the horror fans who demanded more. Make no mistake... the original film may have wanted to tell a twisted tale, but the fans of excessive gore and cruelty are what kept it coming back. I have yet to ever hear anyone say "I just go see the Saw films for the storyline!" And of course that goes for most slasher flicks and over the top murder or death spree films. You may want to tell your version of War and Peace.. but when you fill it with reverse bear traps you are gathering a certain type of audience. Which is fine... if people enjoy that type of film, more power to them. We don't all have to enjoy the same things after all.

And I will agree... Jigsaw was a well thought out and effective villain. A truly twisted and monstrous individual that had a horrific outlook upon the world and society as we know it, and decided to add his own savagery to the mix instead of trying to think of actual ways to better it.

 

No it isn't. In fact it is one of the worst. Who decides who is worthy of life? By that philosophy if someone hates MLP and fans of it,  then they deserve to die and should be allowed to act upon it. Once upon a time there was a man who had that philosophy, and he did a pretty thorough job of making his vision come to life... a lot of innocent people died because of it (around 20-25 Million or so if you add them all up by many reports) and a lot more people went to war to put a stop to it.

It is not a philosophy... it is a bigots wet dream come true.

 

That guy isn't a bigot though. He just believe in a society where humanity appreciate and wanna contribute to society. If he was a bigot he wouldn't be for healthcare as a right, the typical rich guy who don't care for the suffering of other humans would say the opposite of condemning people. He is however anti evil in a sense of justice.

Also its not like you get picked in Saw unless you have done something criminal, though thats not always the case. For example there is this case of Razor wire maze trap where a guy is trying to commit suicide was the reason that he was picked, that is one example of the typical victims John picks who he thinks of, aka people who don't appreciate life. Like i know some of it is sick sometimes in some cases but thats his philosophy atleast.

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13 hours ago, SunshineFlow said:

That guy isn't a bigot though. He just believe in a society where humanity appreciate and wanna contribute to society.

Who cares what he is? He has made himself the judge, jury and executioner of a group of people HE has decided do not deserve to live for whatever reasons he decides make sense to himself. That is no different than someone saying:

I don't like gays! Kill them all!

I don't like Disco! It needs to die along with its fans!

What! Meat!!!!??? Death to carnivores!

You like Pewdiepie? I don't! Off to the gas chamber with you!

By his "philosophy" anything you personally disagree with, don't like or find in some way disgusting, disturbing, annoying or distressing should mean the death of those who feel differently. Who cares if someone does not appreciate life? Unless they are going around taking others, then it is their life to not appreciate... Learn to appreciate your own life and make the most of it instead of trying to force others to conform to your own personal morality. I am not saying some of the people he kills are not dog piles, however that does not give him the right to decide their fate for himself and only himself.