What if they made Saw "as in horror movie series" cameo in MLP?

[SunshineFlow 43]

If you don't know or have seen it. Saw movie series is about John Kramer alias Jigsaw who abducts people who he thinks are unworthy of life. So he puts them in rooms whether they are attachted to a device or some sort of room with traps. Basically depending on the game rules they have to fight or die in order to survive. But the people he abducts tends to have criminal records or a pathetic existence.

 

The key philosophy to the series is humans who are not worthy of life dont deserve life. Its a very good philosophy although what he does is more like what a psychopath would do. The whole point is to be grateful that you actually are alive instead of wasting it on tribual things.

 

But i am not sure if it would work in MLP world, they dont do harmful crimes at best. But just wondering your views?

 

[DonMaguz 1,023]

I don't think that mixing gore psychopath movies in a cheerful kids show is even a topic among writers and editors.

[SunshineFlow 43]

1 minute ago, DonMaguz said:

I don't think that mixing gore psychopath movies in a cheerful kids show is even a topic among writers and editors.

True. But i sort of like the voice of Jigsaw or the methods as sick as they are interests me. Maybe if they did a harmless cameo. Like Discord did hide under a box with a red alert sign. Which was a reference to Metal Gear Solid. Maybe if they only had a jigsaw mask and that was it.

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[DonMaguz 1,023]

2 minutes ago, SunshineFlow said:

True. But i sort of like the voice of Jigsaw or the methods as sick as they are interests me. Maybe if they did a harmless cameo. Like Discord did hide under a box with a red alert sign. Which was a reference to Metal Gear Solid. Maybe if they only had a jigsaw mask and that was it.

I don't see how it could be accomplished, the main driver for Jigsaw's victims is to escape from death. Since you cannot apply the same driver, the lesson to be grateful for being alive could not be learned and all the idea falls apart.

About the mask cameo, I think it could still be too much for a show like FiM, even if kids don't pick them up, cameos of popular horror movies could easily trigger parents.

Freddy's glove, Jason's or Hannibal's mask, Jigsaw's puppet are just a big no, there's too much risk and no gain whatsoever in including something like that in the show. 

[SunshineFlow 43]

18 minutes ago, DonMaguz said:

I don't see how it could be accomplished, the main driver for Jigsaw's victims is to escape from death. Since you cannot apply the same driver, the lesson to be grateful for being alive could not be learned and all the idea falls apart.

About the mask cameo, I think it could still be too much for a show like FiM, even if kids don't pick them up, cameos of popular horror movies could easily trigger parents.

Freddy's glove, Jason's or Hannibal's mask, Jigsaw's puppet are just a big no, there's too much risk and no gain whatsoever in including something like that in the show. 

But that didn't stop anime cameos. Among them Eva from Evangelion

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[cmarston1 5,952]

Yeah I don't really think this would be a good idea.

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[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Unless Hasbro can buy Lionsgate (which they failed), i believe there will Saws reference and Pinkie with her flat hair will be Jigsaw, the game will be... ESCAPE ROOM. 

[SugarCoatxMarblePie 701]

Their saw equivalent would be getting the fainting flower ponies to be given the option to destroy the other's flowers to escape starvation. Full parody.

 

Instead of the pit with needles its a pit of legos lol.

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[DonMaguz 1,023]

1 hour ago, SunshineFlow said:

But that didn't stop anime cameos. Among them Eva from Evangelion

The thing is...

People who don't watch horror movies see a horror movie icon and think "ohh, that's a scary/mature theme/reference".

People who don't watch anime see an anime icon and think "hey, that's a japanese cartoon reference" without even thinking of the deep/disturbing themes explored in Evangelion or Utena, or without knowing that Ranma and Dragon Ball are heavily sexualised works.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,314]

Saw isn't even worth a references, it is a horrendous series. Essentially just torture porn with a thin, terrible plot strewn throughout in increments. It is best that garbage like that is left far, faaaar away from FiM, a much better piece of media.

[Libra 11,690]

7 minutes ago, Kyoshi said:

Saw isn't even worth a references, it is a horrendous series. Essentially just torture porn with a thin, terrible plot strewn throughout in increments. It is best that garbage like that is left far, faaaar away from FiM, a much better piece of media.

Yikes, I knew saw was bad but not like that bad. I mean, the only good part about the movies was the first one, anything after that was just plain "stop".

[Chrylestia600 1,307]

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[Libra 11,690]

45 minutes ago, Chrylestia600 said:

I doubt it'll happen, and I don't really know if it's a good idea, but for me personally I'd be fine with some small reference. Nothing too big though.

I'm sorry, but this isn't entirely correct.

Yes, they went too far with the gore, and there are a lot of things they didn't do right, but the original idea for the series was not torture porn. James Wan (director of The Conjuring) said when he directed the first one, he intended to do a crime/thriller movie. It wasn't supposed to be about the gore, even though that's unfortunately what it became known for. Even the people who took it over after James Wan dislike the torture porn title.

Yes, from the outside it certainly looks that way (sadly that's what the studio always showed off the most in the trailers and everything) but there is an actual point to the movies, that being the appreciation of life, and most of the films have a good moral message. Plus, I just read an article yesterday about how much effort and work Tobin Bell put into his role as Jigsaw, who is one of the most complex and well-developed characters I've ever seen.

Most people who like the series, like me, are far more interested in the messages of each film and the story of John Kramer. Contrary to what most people who don't like the series tend to believe, we don't watch it for the gore or because we enjoy 'torture porn,' which isn't what Saw is.

And this is coming from someone who used to absolutely detest the series and despises gore, by the way.

It's not. The gore gets worse in each movie, and they tend to have bad endings, but they aren't that bad. And Saw is one series that is somewhat justified in having seven movies, because it's more like one big story cut into individual chapters.

If nothing else, it has a pretty awesome theme song. XD

 

Then why are they making a new one? Kramer's gone, Hoffman's gone, all of jigsaws assistants are gone, anyone even associated to jigsaw is dead. Its pretty much end, roll credits. And I'm going to agree, it's just 90% torture poon, and Kramer seen V for Vendetta and thinks tourturing people sets them free.

[Snow Frostflame 3,567]

If you were to ask me that about 3 or 4 years ago I'd just give you a look and say "no", like you just asked me the craziest question ever. Now I've seen cameos from The Legends of Zelda, Metal Gear Solid, Bio Shock, and Slender... so them putting a Saw cameo really wouldn't surprise me. Though I doubt it would be a full episode revolving around Saw and MLP, it would more than likely be a brief cameo probably hidden in the background.

[Chrylestia600 1,307]

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[Libra 11,690]

8 minutes ago, Chrylestia600 said:

"Then why are they making a new one?"

Well, for one, they have new people doing the one that's coming out in October, so I don't know their purpose for making another one yet. All I know is that they want to 'reinvent' it, but who knows? Maybe they have an even better story than the previous movies. Maybe they can do something even better with the concept. Personally I'm glad that they aren't dragging out the former story any longer and are going in a new direction.

"Kramer's gone, Hoffman's gone, all of jigsaws assistants are gone, anyone even associated to jigsaw is dead."

Since you said 'Hoffman's gone' I'm gonna assume you saw the final movie, in which case... uh, no. Lawrence Gordon, John's third and best assistant, is still alive. As are, I'm assuming, the other two guys in pig masks who helped him capture Hoffman at the end. As for Kramer, dude's been dead since the third movie. There were still four more after that.

"And I'm going to agree, it's just 90% torture poon,"

Well, that's fine, but since everyone involved in it denied that title and each movie has an actual story, that's not a fact, it's just an opinion. As someone who knows of movies that actually deserve the (ridiculous) 'torture porn' label, Saw isn't among them, gory or not. Besides, if you're going to call Saw torture porn, then why not give every slasher horror movie/series genre that title? Whereas Saw has an actual point, series like Friday The 13th are almost entirely about watching stupid teenagers get killed in various brutal and creative ways.

"and Kramer seen V for Vendetta and thinks tourturing people sets them free."

More like survived a suicide attempt. It's not about setting anyone free. It was about putting people in horrible near-death situations, like he himself went through, so that they could see for themselves that they actually did want to live and would go on to make the most of their life should they survive. The concept makes sense.

Again, though, the Saw series is by no means great. It had a lot of issues.

Its just milking at this point. Also, the "they do need to appreciate life" argument falls apart when you bring into consideration that the people he tries to "rescue" are probably not mentally stable and why they think that, so he possibly has to accept that he probably killed a normal person whos just going through stuff, which makes him a murderer. 

 

Also, the entire plot of every movie can be summarized as "you did stuff, and the legal system didn't give me the justice I want, so I'm gonna put you in this torture chamber, good luck." Rinse and repeat. And all that started because john was told he has cancer. He's really condemning people to live or death because he tried to kill himself over cancer. That is rediculous.

[CT-1138 3,180]

I wouldn't be surprised if they already have in one of the Nightmare Night specials. 

[Jeric 46,835]

7 hours ago, SunshineFlow said:

Its a very good philosophy

Highly disagree.

That's all I'll say about that bit.

Saw is an absurd series anyway ... And from 2 on it amounts to nothing more than torture porn. 

sigh.

I an not usually a judgemental person, I'm fine with people with all sorts of interests and tastes. That said, I keep my distance from those that enjoy gore in FiM media. 

Pass. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Chrylestia600 said:

I'm sorry, but this isn't entirely correct.

Sure it is. It was given as an opinion. I think the series is absolute garbage and I hate I wasted a few hours of my life watching it. It's shit. Opinion. The only fact check to that being my opinion is that I had the agency to make said opinion, and since I am not under any mind control at the moment .... it checks out. 

[Chrylestia600 1,307]

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[Libra 11,690]

@Chrylestia600 But that is overdoing it. Why would he go through all that and kill innocent people because he lost a son?

[Chrylestia600 1,307]

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[SunshineFlow 43]

49 minutes ago, Jeric said:

Highly disagree.

That's all I'll say about that bit.

Saw is an absurd series anyway ... And from 2 on it amounts to nothing more than torture porn. 

sigh.

I an not usually a judgemental person, I'm fine with people with all sorts of interests and tastes. That said, I keep my distance from those that enjoy gore in FiM media. 

Pass. 

 

 

Sure it is. It was given as an opinion. I think the series is absolute garbage and I hate I wasted a few hours of my life watching it. It's shit. Opinion. The only fact check to that being my opinion is that I had the agency to make said opinion, and since I am not under any mind control at the moment .... it checks out. 

I wouldn't say teaching a life lesson = garbage. MLP does teach about friendship and to learn from those mistakes that way. But saw learns not to take life for granted of a lowly lifestyle. Thats what these are, to scare you to appreciate life in general. Which i think is great. And despite being somewhat sick, i usually am interested in what torture methods or devices they use in the series. Even if some are weird i still appreciate the work they put into it.

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[Libra 11,690]

16 minutes ago, Chrylestia600 said:

@Midnight Controller As I said, the series has issues. And I'm not exactly on board with the character's methods. All I'll say, again, is that he wasn't intentionally trying to kill people, he wanted them to live.

I don't think I'm going to post on this thread anymore, though. I think I've completely given the wrong impression.

Nah, its okay. I don't like the series, and I don't have anything against thoes who do.

[Chrylestia600 1,307]

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[Libra 11,690]

Just now, Chrylestia600 said:

This is more or less my opinion.

Well, that's nice to hear, even if I wouldn't exactly say I 'like' the series. It just stinks that people are probably going to read my replies and think I'm a gore fan now.

Nah, its okay. Its a bit overdone in some places, but then again, I did play some mortal kombat, WO I don't really have any room to stand on.