spoiler Tempest shadow getting a little too much attention?

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HUGE HUGE SPOILER READ WITH CAUTION. 

Here's a thing, as much Tempest shadow is an awesome character and we all like her, I feel the movie is made dictating to her only.  The movie is short yes, but I think that is the least of the problem since they could have use the time to give some of the new characters a chance to develop and let the big boss take the glory for being the baddies. So yeh i think one they should extend the movie but mainly give some new characters some attention here. 

 

Let's start with Captain Celeano and the Parrot crew

A  typical vigilante pirate group who just airsail to find treasures and adventure.  I wouldn't say they are like the mane 6, hero and all. But even though they are the good guys, I wouldn't consider them as "hero" type. Such they help the mane 6, but just as the movie is moving too fast, i feel like the only imagine  we are getting from them i was a worn-pirate who transition into heroes.  When they are much more than that. They're pirate, and hero or not, they only seek what interests in them. the show need to express more of that. Because pirate are cool right? Did I mention they looted from the storm king ship? But once again Tempest took the spotlight..

 

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Next Capper

Capper is one a character who not only Tempest have a sh**ting past. The movie kinda miss out expressing his past in greats depth, thus losing a chance to show how deep and tragic this character is. Capper is anti-hero type, a cat who only care for a normal life and not live as a thief. A life where he can stop running. After a tragic incident of his friend, capper become bitter. Now this is a part when I feel they rush him and not giving him a chance to undergo a descent transition. In my opinion Capper deal much worst sh**t than Tempest, and yet Tempest was giving a chance to make a decent transition.  So again what a waste for this anti-hero character.

 

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Last by not least the Storm king

First off, the Storm king is not a wash-out villian. He capable in ruling the world on his own without Tempest help. Before conquering equestria and before he met Tempest, he was already at making process in collecting magics and destroying other kingdoms. The only thing he need Tempest for was because she know Equestria and know how to deal with them, so he use that as advantage. The Storm king has much more in-depth character in the comic than how movie express him as just a "joke."  He basically all villains of mlp in one, and let alone he was the closest to ruling the world than any other villains.  When I mean the world, i mean the world. Not canterlot, not crystal empire but the world. if only he have succeed conquering equestria, since he already get started it with other kingdoms before he met Tempest. Moreover, I like the way he thinks, he doesn't believe in conquering but rather take the wealth and the magic from the kingdoms he ran over. He more of a sorta deep thicker crazy villian. in my opinion.  But again they just have to make Tempest overshine this good potential villian. Making her too good that he is like a foot soldier to her. The Storm KIng literally implied he is the storm and the force of nature. The comic did him great justice, too bad the movie didn't implied that.

 

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I know it a long text, but I just a bit upset that the movie isnt cover the whole story the comic did. Making the other new characters as a waste and letting one overhyped  character take it all. I like tempest and all, but not to exceed where she is a like " goddess"  of the MLP. And that what I feel like the movie is implying. If she would reappear they better keep her under the radar.

what do you guys think? Do you guys think Tempest is taking all the credits and the spotlight away from these character? And Do you guys think the movie is like a dedication to her?

Edited October 20, 2017 by TBD

[Steve Piranha 29,425]

Which for many, it was a double-edge sword because it felt that the movie didn't make justice to these characters. Hell, Stormy Road to Canterlot DEVELOPEP CAPPER MORE THAN THE MOVIE, AND IT WASN'T EVEN HIS BOOK 

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6 minutes ago, Steve Piranha said:

Which for many, it was a double-edge sword because it felt that the movie didn't make justice to these characters. Hell, Stormy Road to Canterlot DEVELOPEP CAPPER MORE THAN THE MOVIE, AND IT WASN'T EVEN HIS BOOK 

I think capper is MLP most tragic and deep character aside from tempest. His friend kinda double cross him but at the same time, offer not to be save so that Capper doesn't have to depend on him to survive. That is some deep s**t right there.

[Steve Piranha 29,425]

Just now, TBD said:

I think capper is MLP most tragic and deep character aside from tempest. His friend kinda double cross him but at the same time, offer not to be save so that Capper doesn't have to depend on him to survive. That is some deep s**t right there.

DERP , I meant GRUBBER, not Capper in the Stormy Road to Canterlot . But yeah, most of these characters felt pretty well developed in the comics and the book, but it also accentuated their lack of it in the movie. But at least you get a far better understanding from them, like Novo's initial hesitation on helping the ponies. Only Skystar receives the short end of the stick regarding that

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7 minutes ago, Steve Piranha said:

DERP , I meant GRUBBER, not Capper in the Stormy Road to Canterlot . But yeah, most of these characters felt pretty well developed in the comics and the book, but it also accentuated their lack of it in the movie. But at least you get a far better understanding from them, like Novo's initial hesitation on helping the ponies. Only Skystar receives the short end of the stick regarding that

oh i see haha, major derp. Yeh that's  true, but I just think it's a shame that the movie didn't cover in depth with the other characters. Let alone making the Storm king look bad. When i first read him in the comic, i was like dang that is one good villian right there. He's mixed of an greedy villain who wants power but at the same time struggles with dealing with trusting others. 

Edited October 20, 2017 by TBD

[Concerned Bystander 2,902]

I think it was important to give Tempest the Lion's share of the screentime, it made her a rounder character which made her change of heart at the end feel much more natural instead of the usual blink-and-you'll-miss-it reformation that we tend to see in the cartoon.  You could actually see that she was having second thoughts about her loyalty to the Storm King well before she decided to turn against him, which was so much better than, she's evil *snap* now she's good.

That's not so say that  wouldn't have liked to see a lot more of Captain Celaeno, but the have to keep the run time reasonable for the youngsters so I'm not going to throw a track over it.  I do hope we get to see Tempest and Celaeno again though, it would be nice if they make a comeback in season 8, even if it is just for an episode or two.

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1 hour ago, Concerned Bystander said:

I think it was important to give Tempest the Lion's share of the screentime, it made her a rounder character which made her change of heart at the end feel much more natural instead of the usual blink-and-you'll-miss-it reformation that we tend to see in the cartoon.  You could actually see that she was having second thoughts about her loyalty to the Storm King well before she decided to turn against him, which was so much better than, she's evil *snap* now she's good.

I don't mind Tempest getting this kind of transition and character development, but due to the short time with so many new characters  the others didn't get the chance like Tempest did.  Making the movie look like it was just Tempest getting all the spotlight and likes just because she is the only one with a character development in the movie.  While others new characters could have gotten that chance if the movie would give enough time for them. Consequently, having them being thrown out the window. 

I guess I should have see this coming, knowingly how there are too many new characters being introduced at once, it most likely the movie will try to cramp them all in 90 mins. Plus 6 main characters. 

Edited October 20, 2017 by TBD

[Thaliel 116]

I have taken a liking to Fizzles (which is what I call her from this day on). Yes, it is the usual "follow the bad guy cuz he promises to give you whatever you most desie", but hey, she still awesome.

[Megas 27,655]

No, she was easily one of the movie’s biggest highlights 

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1 hour ago, Kiryu-Chan said:

No, she was easily one of the movie’s biggest highlights 

well that's exactly my point...which leave the other characters in a spot of  being  just "there."

[Tao 7,777]

I think when it comes to characters in the show/movie,  I think what got her to stand out is just well,  her.  We have a mare who is put into the spotlight of a villain or "evil" at the start,  but she lacks one thing we have seen in many a foe in the MLP world:  OVERPOWERING!  We instead get a mare who does not use magic to overcome her enemies,  but her pure physical skills alone to take them down,  and also her mind and planning also in the works and when have seen her use magic at all?  To the very end (minus the cut past flashback in the song)  of said movie.  Also, keeps her reasoning for her teaming up with  Storm King very open: her horn restored. 

Tempest is not out to take over the world,  take magic from ponies and any other thing. Just the simple restore of her horn.   Which yes they do use the "tragic" backstory play we have seen use a bit,  but meh!  It works!   Also just calls things for what they are,  no buffers of peace or friendship or anything such that,  she's a reality in a magic world.  Then we get the ploy of the turn of heart,  a dim type is shown a better path and she grows and changes from her meeting with Twilight.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Tao

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My point is that they have the time to give Tempest the moment of transition, her backstory and why she is who she was. Of course she will stand out than most of the new characters. But because of short of time of the film, this causes a holes for the others character. Losing the chance to give them a proper introductions and transition. It was like the new characters doesn't mean anything for these scriptwriter and only care about getting to the point toward this Tempest character as quick as possible.  

Example Capper, he backstory is mess-up, so mess up that I  can't hardly believes he would fall into having a soft spot for these ponies just because Rarity fix up his coat. His friend "betrayed" him so he could be on his own to survive, let alone met his disarray as the ship crush.  You would think it would take more than "fixer upper" on his coat to make him have a change of heart.  Capper should slowly re-learn that he doesn't need to survive by being on his own but with a friend. 

Edited October 23, 2017 by TBD

[tm2dragon 12]

The fact that Tempest is getting more attention than the other characters was kind of inevitable, all things considered.  She had more time on screen, a more eye-catching design, a better musical number, not to mention a back-story.  There just wasn't enough time in this movie to get attached to more than a few characters.....it was overbloated as is.  How much do you want to bet that more parents who'd never seen the show before left remembering Tempest's name then they did Fluttershy, Rarity, or Applejack's?  

...........whatever the case, I have to admit that there is just something about Fizzy that grabs your attention and makes you curious to delve deeper.  Sometimes, all it takes is an engaging design to grab our fascination (Vinyl Scratch, Derpy Hooves, Octavia, etc.), and when you add an actual CHARACTER on top of that.......yeah, Tempest was ALWAYS going to come out as the most popular new character in this thing, hands (hooves?) down.  Even without my above points, sometimes the "rule of cool" comes out victorious......and she was FREAKIN COOL.

[Drunkfrank 1,125]

I don't think so, she was the greatest MLP villain in a long time with a backstory far better than Sunsets or Starlight's. She was intimidating yet interesting, with one of the best songs MLP has ever had. She deserves all the credit and hype she is given. 

[PiratePony 8,475]

I don't think so. She was one of the best parts of the movie, and was a much better villain than Tirek's long lost cousin, The Storm King.

[StormBlaze 992]

she had all right to be the main focus. The rest of the film suffered from "too many characters too little time", which is why we barely got to see Celano and the Sea Ponies (Capper kept coming back through the film). 

The film couldve gotten away with her being the main villian rather than Storm King. But tbh the henchmen/ponies always do the work compared to their over rulers, so it made sense for her to be the main threat. 

 

If anything Songbird Serenade didnt need so much marketing attention >.> barely in it. 

[Sovereign Leader Rarity 12,006]

Look, I really do like Tempest and in many ways see her as the film's breakout character. She serves as a great antithesis to Twilight, had a backstory that actually meant something and was a good motivation for her being an antagonist (like Starlight's but way, WAY better) and was a constant and imposing force throughout the movie. In fact, in my opinion, shes's one of the best villains in the show's history. Not only that, but she was one of the few characters in the series to reform and for it to actually feel pretty well executed and not half-assed like Discord's or Starlight's.

That being said though, considering how much she was advertised, considering how much she was built-up to be and considering how much screen-time that she ended up getting, she was always going to be the film's standout character and, as much as I love her role in the film, and trust me, I do, the ACTUAL main antagonist of the movie, the Storm King didn't get NEARLY as much screen time as I feel that he should've. He literally only appears at one scene at the beginning and then disappears until the final battle. And keeping in mind that he is undeniably the most accomplished antagonist in the show's history, had an original and intimidating design and actually had, from what we actually saw of him, a really entertaining and interesting personality, one of those rare villains who you know that you can have fun with, but is still imposing when push comes to shove, this is pretty disappointing to witness. Unlike a villain such as Sombra, who had all the personality and originality of a fricking rock, the Storm King is a villain who could've been so much more than what he turned out to be, and the blame ultimately lies on Tempest's shoulders.

Long story short, loved Tempest, loved the scenes that she was in but we could've done with significantly less of her, and significantly more of the Storm King. The scene where he betrayed her was one of the best in the movie in my opinion.

 

Edited November 9, 2017 by Rarity the Supreme

[Jade Fire 7,059]

no. she's a great character, i hope we see more of her, just not at the cost of starlight time xD

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On 10/21/2017 at 8:54 PM, TBD said:

well that's exactly my point...which leave the other characters in a spot of  being  just "there."

Sadly not enough time to do justice to everyone; They overloaded themselves on characters for pretty toyetic reasons-- you gotta have the seaponies for the toys and you gotta have the pirates for the GOH airship toy too.

capper wasn't deep, but he did at least work as a serviceable comic relief when he was present-- I enjoyed him WAY more than that trailer would make me think I would.

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9 hours ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

Sadly not enough time to do justice to everyone; They overloaded themselves on characters for pretty toyetic reasons-- you gotta have the seaponies for the toys and you gotta have the pirates for the GOH airship toy too.

capper wasn't deep, but he did at least work as a serviceable comic relief when he was present-- I enjoyed him WAY more than that trailer would make me think I would.

apparently they were thinking of having the hippogiffs have a much bigger role....

Honestly when I look over the making of MLP, I feel a bit more disappointed with the movie.

14 hours ago, Jade Fire said:

no. she's a great character, i hope we see more of her, just not at the cost of starlight time xD

True, I wouldn't want her to take over starlight's place whatsoever. I would like it if they made tempest stay for awhile and then leave for personal soul-searching purpose. such as....

Edited November 1, 2017 by TBD

[Jade Fire 7,059]

5 hours ago, TBD said:

True, I wouldn't want her to take over starlight's place whatsoever. I would like it if they made tempest stay for awhile and then leave for personal soul-searching purpose.

we could even have an episode where starlight meets tempest! im giddy at the thought of that ^-^

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1 hour ago, Jade Fire said:

we could even have an episode where starlight meets tempest! im giddy at the thought of that ^-^

and they will cause mischief  together and learn from it,  since starlight is pretty mischievous herself and tempest is still learning.  I bet they will have Tempest on the first two episodes and starlight, twilight and her can accompany each others on their guest.