Belief Poll

[Altastrofae 938]

44 minutes ago, Yamet said:

And your point is? 

"Oh, we might find proof in the future" isn't the most convincing argument either  and can practically be applied to every other mythology as well. 

And even if it does wind up having direct ties to king david, that wouldn't really convince me either. I mean, I don't really see how it'd prove that, say, any of the events of the new testament happened.  

I'm not ignoring it, I'm just not immediately convinced that it somehow proves that the events of the bible actually happened. 

Why are you arguing? Senseless bickering will only result in discovering that ultimately, none of us know what happened for certain. I do think, however, that faith isn't about blindly following whatever idea pops into your head. I think its more about knowing yourself, and less about knowing the truth. All beliefs are valid because as long as its what your heart says is right, you then know YOUR truth, and no one else has any right to argue against what's true to you ¦D

[Olly 1,015]

this thread's only for polling, not debate. even though I would like people to think critically... as of right now more people voted "yes" than "no"  

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

12 minutes ago, CrystalBloodMoon said:

Why are you arguing? 

Partly because I have nothing better to do, partly because it irks me when people makes claims like "the events of my religion actually happened" and lacks the evidence to back it up. 

 

Edited May 11, 2018 by Yamet

[King of Canterlot 9,605]

3 minutes ago, Yamet said:

Partly because I have nothing better to do, partly because it irks me when people makes claims like "the events of my religion actually happened" and lacks the evidence to back it up. 

 

I have the Bible, and the word of God himself. God WROTE the Bible, that's all the evidence I need 

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

1 minute ago, King of Canterlot said:

I have the Bible, and the word of God himself. God WROTE the Bible, that's all the evidence I need 

Right, but when you say stuff like "What a lot of people fail to understand is that the events that took place in the Bible actually happened" I expect you to back up that statement with something else other than the bible. 

[King of Canterlot 9,605]

8 minutes ago, Yamet said:

I expect you to back up that statement with something else other than the bible. 

It's the word of God, what more "Evidence" do you need? 

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

1 minute ago, King of Canterlot said:

It's the word of God, what more "Evidence" do you need? 

No, it's a book that might be the word of god. You can't expect me to take bible as the ultimate evidence just because it claims it's the word of god. I mean, what differs the bible from any other religious text? 

[Altastrofae 938]

33 minutes ago, King of Canterlot said:

I have the Bible, and the word of God himself. God WROTE the Bible, that's all the evidence I need 

That's arguable. Humans wrote it, supposedly having heard his words, but that's technically a secondhand source.

Though, I respect your passion, and sometimes people let their own passion get out of hand that they forget how they might be making others feel. And that works both ways

41 minutes ago, Olly said:

this thread's only for polling, not debate. even though I would like people to think critically... as of right now more people voted "yes" than "no"  

Of course. I try not to get carried away.

And it makes sense that people tend to enjoy a sense of certainty ¦D

I voted yes, personally, though my view of "god" is probably much different than everypony else's

May you walk with the Goddess, or whoever you want to walk with o3o

I'll be Wiccan until I die ¦D

8 minutes ago, Yamet said:

No, it's a book that might be the word of god. You can't expect me to take bible as the ultimate evidence just because it claims it's the word of god. I mean, what differs the bible from any other religious text? 

True, I could say the Hunger Games is the word of God, and it doesn't really change anything, though I still see this bickerment as both petty and entirely pointless

Edited May 11, 2018 by CrystalBloodMoon

[King of Canterlot 9,605]

3 minutes ago, CrystalBloodMoon said:

That's arguable. Humans wrote it, supposedly having heard his words, but that's technically a secondhand source.

Though, I respect your passion, and sometimes people let their own passion get out of hand that they forget how they might be making others feel. And that works both ways

Yeah I think @Yamet needs to have his own fact-check and realize that not everything in this world is gonna magically be explained by science, there are limitations even to science, but there are no limitations when it comes to the creator of our entire universe, God because he is all powerful and all loving. He even loves you nonbelievers, though you hurt God by not showing your love to him back.  

[Altastrofae 938]

1 minute ago, King of Canterlot said:

Yeah I think @Yamet needs to have his own fact-check and realize that not everything in this world is gonna magically be explained by science, there are limitations even to science, but there are no limitations when it comes to the creator of our entire universe, God because he is all powerful and all loving. He even loves you nonbelievers, though you hurt God by not showing your love to him back.  

Well, this is just my opinion, but I think that works both ways. You're saying that you're hurt by Yamet disrespecting your beliefs, but take it from me, its not the greatest thing to have other people pin their beliefs on you out of pride. You may be bothering him as much as he, you. I just think you need to put out what you wish to attract  But I'm glad you have the heart to be proud of who you are. Many would look up to such a trait

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

9 minutes ago, King of Canterlot said:

Yeah I think @Yamet needs to have his own fact-check and realize that not everything in this world is gonna magically be explained by science

This statement is kind of funny considering that I'm religious myself.  Like, I love how you're so insecure about your faith that the only possible reason I don't blindly accept the bible as proof to everything is that I don't accept that science can't answer everything.  

 

Edited May 11, 2018 by Yamet

[King of Canterlot 9,605]

1 minute ago, Yamet said:

I don't accept that science can't answer everything

But you have to agree that science can't answer everything. It can't tell us where we'll go after we die, now can it? Nope that is one of the greatest "Mysteries" that still eludes science. Though it's not really a mystery at all, either we go to Heaven or we go to Hell, it's a simple as that. 

[Celli 4,349]

I've said before but no, I don't believe in god, or jesus, or any higher being, much less religion. I'm an atheist and I prefer to research into things instead of falling back on "god did it" for things we have yet to explain. It feels lazy in my personal opinion. Instead of assuming a higher deity did something, I find it better to continue looking for answers with science, and if we can't, just face that some things cannot be explained by any means.

[Victoria Sponge 1,019]

Nope, I used to be a Christian but I have no need for that now and I don't see it as logical or believable. I believe in living your life to the fullest and not dedicating it to somebody who may or may not exist, just to try and get into a place that also may or may not exist.

[Libra 11,691]

Yes i do.

However, i am not religious. I have faith, not religion. Both are different but intertwine with each other.

i do believe in heaven and jesus and god, so my faith is cloaely linked to modern day Christianity, but my beliefs and their beliefs stop there.

However, that will be liable to change in the future.

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

Just now, King of Canterlot said:

But you have to agree that science can't answer everything. 

Yes, as I mentioned previously, I am religious myself so naturally I don't expect science to answer everything.

2 minutes ago, King of Canterlot said:

 Though it's not really a mystery at all, either we go to Heaven or we go to Hell, it's a simple as that. 

A, What about limbo? B, It's still a mystery since we can't know for certain that Christianity is the true religion. We might all go to helheim or Valhalla for all we know.  

[Altastrofae 938]

2 minutes ago, King of Canterlot said:

But you have to agree that science can't answer everything. It can't tell us where we'll go after we die, now can it? Nope that is one of the greatest "Mysteries" that still eludes science. Though it's not really a mystery at all, either we go to Heaven or we go to Hell, it's a simple as that. 

Now your arrogance is starting to bug me. It's kinda selfish, actually. Besides, nowhere in the Bible does it say that people go to Hell. I may not be Christian, but I have read that book. I'm tired of selfish threats of eternal burning. It isn't right. A fucking murderer doesn't even deserve such a fate!

1 minute ago, Victoria Sponge said:

Nope, I used to be a Christian but I have no need for that now and I don't see it as logical or believable. I believe in living your life to the fullest and not dedicating it to somebody who may or may not exist, just to try and get into a place that also may or may not exist.

Oh hey, a Red Crystal, the people I've met with this mindset are few in many.

If you're confused, btw, don't worry about it ¦D

[King of Canterlot 9,605]

@CrystalBloodMoon, @Yamet

I'm not arguing any farther, so peace be with you all and have a good rest of your night, I'll pray for you guys 

[Victoria Sponge 1,019]

6 minutes ago, CrystalBloodMoon said:

Now your arrogance is starting to bug me. It's kinda selfish, actually. Besides, nowhere in the Bible does it say that people go to Hell. I may not be Christian, but I have read that book. I'm tired of selfish threats of eternal burning. It isn't right. A fucking murderer doesn't even deserve such a fate!

Oh hey, a Red Crystal, the people I've met with this mindset are few in many.

If you're confused, btw, don't worry about it ¦D

You mean like the Israeli health symbol?

[Altastrofae 938]

Just now, King of Canterlot said:

@CrystalBloodMoon, @Yamet

I'm not arguing any farther, so peace be with you all and have a good rest of your night, I'll pray for you guys 

I don't mind that, I actually appreciate that. But I still think you were being arrogant and overzealous

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

1 minute ago, King of Canterlot said:

@CrystalBloodMoon, @Yamet

I'll pray for you guys 

And I'll do the same for you. 

[Pr0m4NV14 839]

Is there an option for “Ehh...”? No? Aw..

[Altastrofae 938]

Just now, Victoria Sponge said:

You mean like the Israeli health symbol?

Well, I'm actually talking about your aura. Its a Hindu concept I much agree with. I just mean you like to think that the ultimate joy to life is experiencing all you can and strive to be happy through physical experience. You tend to always be doing something and you aren't likely to be found at home doing nothing. It has a nice energy to it, so to speak. I'd probably benefit from being friends IRL with such a person.

[ShadOBabe 19,023]

... Was gonna say something in regards to the earlier argument... decided it's really not worth the drama.

I have my own beliefs. Baptist Christain specifically. I am willing to listen to those who think different though, as long as they are respectful.

I can absolutely relate on a human level to those who have RADICALLY different spiritual views. I read a book in my medical anthropology class in college called "The Spirit Catches You And You Fall Down", about a family of people from a very different culture called the Hmong. When they immigrated to the United States, they were not given even basic respect or sensitivity towards their beliefs, and they all suffered emotionally for it.

I may not believe in the same things they do, but I related to the complete disregard they dealt with.

Edited May 11, 2018 by ShadOBabe

[PiratePony 8,489]

For what it's worth I am also a fully practicing Roman Catholic and just returned from Mass, as it's a Holy day of obligation - 40 days after Easter-- the Ascension. 

Now, the basis for what I believe cannot be quickly summarized into one post or several posts on one internet thread. It has come from years of study, practice, mediation, prayer, a lot of life experience, sins I've committed, and practicing of the sacraments. The Bible too, but certainly not Sola Scriptura, but the whole shebang.

I like to balance science and religion, faith and reason. It seems from the Church itself which has always and continues to hold education in high regard. The big bang theory, periodic table, and more came from Catholic priests and scientists. I wish I could find the notion of the faithful as being half witted stumblebums odd, but some are in the Faith only side of theology and toss science out the window. And that's only half the story of life. 

If anyone has any questions about it, I'd be happy to discuss it privately, as out of respect, I try to keep it hush except during certain times when it almost demands it (it being Eastertide and all).

Uh oh, this has gotten long and the music started playing. As St. Paul said: Faith, Hope and Love, but the greatest of these is Love. I love you forum guys no matter what your beliefs are and hope that we can all do good things for each other, our other friends on here, and out in the wild and often hate filled world out there. 

Peace be with you all.