Im insane

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

If it makes you feel a little better, some of the greatest mind in the world were considered "unhinged", in certain ways. Besides, not having some craziness makes things boring.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Holy crap, you went through the same situation as me.

 

Pretty much word for word of that, with some minor differences. Except mine vanished and never came back not too far into the "marriage". And she still isn't back. And that explains the ring on my finger. Now, I'd go into more details, but that would be both highly disturbing and quite boring.

[MuniMoose 489]

Ha we believe you because you and us are somewhat the same in a way.

I (chris) diveloped a condition know as Dissociative identity disorder seens my first heart attack when I was younger so I know were your comeing from. Sid have been in my life for along time and everyone I know here on the forums and in life knows him as well. If you were consederd insane then I geuss I would be consedered a sociopath because I and Sid talk to people all the time as two people and have our own lives within reason that is.

I (Sid) personal think that your life is your own so do whatever make you happy because there no place that a person can't be who they are in my view. I hope you don't find yourself as the only pony with two lives because were here to.

[Final Rainbow 8]

in the first place i wouldnt call it insanity, rather a strong imagination youve developed by/for yourself against loneliness.

 

at first i thought this happens rather rarely to people, but as this thread shows, there are quite a lot people affected by those tulpas. in my opinion it was a great idea to start this topic since firstly it might help the one or another to have someone to talk about this, because i guess its not such a usual topic u would speak with irl friends about and secondly it was quite interesting for me to to read and learn about this, because ive never heard about it before.

 

and honestly, as long as you are all fine with it, i dont see any problems with it.

[Anachronous 682]

Would you mind at all if I asked you a few questions, if only so that I may satiate my own curiosity regarding such a unique concept?

[Titan Rising 2,156]

This sounds like schizophrenia... Anyway, if it is true wouldn't that make brandy nothing more than an extension of yourself? If she is created by your imagination then she is you. She is an imaginary manifestation of what you want.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

This sounds like schizophrenia... Anyway, if it is true wouldn't that make brandy nothing more than an extension of yourself? If she is created by your imagination then she is you. She is an imaginary manifestation of what you want.

 

I though that generally only had audiory hallucinations? I've never heard of it manifesting something so concrete

and solid.

Edited September 6, 2012 by Shoboni

[Cupcake Ice Cream 436]

I though that generally only had audiory hallucinations? I've never heard of it manifesting something so concrete

and solid.

 

hallucinations and delusions can be auditory or visual or sensory or olfactory...sometimes even taste

 

But no I wouldn't say this OP is schizophrenic off of a short little story he told

[Guest]

This sounds like schizophrenia... Anyway, if it is true wouldn't that make brandy nothing more than an extension of yourself? If she is created by your imagination then she is you. She is an imaginary manifestation of what you want.

 

This is not schizophrenia , schizophrenia is very different, and it is not controllable. A tulpa is created, and does not share the symptoms that schizophrenia does.

 

Read this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001925/

 

Schizophrenia is due to trauma as a child/brain abnormalities/hormonal imbalances, Tulpae are not.

[Gekoncze 327]

I agree with Nevermore and Arya. Schizophrenia is very differend. I know one person that has schizophrenia and it is something you cannot compare with tulpas.

[Finesthour 7,287]

I don't see why that is crazy at all.

 

Honestly... that is really adorable that you could put so much emotion and love into something that is in your head.

But if you have actual emotions for her, and she is literally in your heart, and you can talk to her, she is real.

[The Razor Wing 879]

Someone has finally been able to put a word to what i was looking for. People use to say i was crazy but no i was not crazy i had let my thoughts take life. I began to make "people", so to say, that i could talk to. They understood me. They got where i was coming from. But yet they also voiced their own ideals and goals. One was stronger than the others and had taken a life of his own. His name is Black Smith and he was the voice of truth that spoke in my head. But one day the day he came to life i realized i was not crazy i just had a friend that could talk to me on my level. And the thing is me and Black talk all the time. We talk on FB when its late or when hes on one of his trips. He has become like a brother to me and he does not judge me for the way i am, for the thoughts i think, and the truth we speak. And im sure he will be happy to know that we are not alone in this world. There are others out there like us, and they understand us. And i really think he will like the term tulpa better than crazy or insane. Thank you for hearing us out.

[Sugarcube 213]

I have never heard of tulpa before could someone link me to a website or explain the idea further so I can better understand?

[Silverhoof 2,844]

I'm not going to go with the flow here. I do see some problems here.

 

This imaginary friend may actually be preventing you from having a real relationship with a real human. A real relationship is 1000 times more rewarding than a pretend one.

 

Let Brandy go and date real people. It's not OK. The person you are harming is yourself.

[Guest]

I'm not going to go with the flow here. I do see some problems here.

 

This imaginary friend may actually be preventing you from having a real relationship with a real human. A real relationship is 1000 times more rewarding than a pretend one.

 

Let Brandy go and date real people. It's not OK. The person you are harming is yourself.

 

What makes it that you can claim who is real and who isn't, who died and made you king of reality? Reality is all perception, you may not be able to see a tulpa, but it is real to the creator, and to those who converse with them. To claim tulpae can't be real is almost akin to racism, because they are different than you, they aren't equal. And don't say that isn't what you meant, because you are claiming that they could never stand up to a, as you say, "real person."

 

Have you been with a tulpa before, how can you know it truly isn't as rewarding as a "real relationship." I've shared wonderful moments with Arya, they were neither better, nor worse than with my physical friends. A friend is a friend, and if you happen to want that friend to become more than that, its your choice. Be that friend physical, or immaterial.

 

You claim he is harming himself by doing this? I'd like to know what sort of harm he would become, besides criticism from others like yourself, which is unjust, and is no reason to not go along with it.

 

Arya: "Why is it that humans see "real" as a term that means greater, or better, or worth more approval, also what makes me not real anyway? Tulpae are real, we just have limitations as to what extant we can interact with "your world." Should I claim that you are not "real" since you are unable to interact with my world? Explain that to me, I'm quite interested in hearing the answer."

[Whiteshade 1,426]

I'm not going to go with the flow here. I do see some problems here.

 

This imaginary friend may actually be preventing you from having a real relationship with a real human. A real relationship is 1000 times more rewarding than a pretend one.

 

Let Brandy go and date real people. It's not OK. The person you are harming is yourself.

 

A real human would be better? Be careful with your expectations, reality will disappoint.

 

I'll restate my position again. Sanity is a fake and invented concept, and most definitely not absolute, but rather highly relative. To the "perfectly sane" man, EVERYONE is insane.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

This sounds like schizophrenia... Anyway, if it is true wouldn't that make brandy nothing more than an extension of yourself? If she is created by your imagination then she is you. She is an imaginary manifestation of what you want.

 

Trust me, I've seen severe schizophrenia, and this is NOTHING like schizophrenia. Schizophrenia goes far beyond just mere hallucination, to the point where it causes the victim to become an incoherent babbling mess with shockingly little control over their increasingly more bizzare actions.

 

I've seen a person who is 14 and has schizophrenia so advanced, they believe they live in Neverland, are named Wendy, and "hear voices from Jesus to kill things". In the years I knew them, there was not a single logical, lucid action they did. They spent most of their time clapping, kicking halfway into handstands, wandering in circles, and staring into the end of a plastic whiffleball bat they believed was a telescope. At one point, they starting spewing out every curse word known to man, followed by shrieking like a banshee and attacking everyone in site... all for no reason, and without any provocation. And sadly, I'm not making any of this up.

 

 

I'm not going to go with the flow here. I do see some problems here.

 

This imaginary friend may actually be preventing you from having a real relationship with a real human. A real relationship is 1000 times more rewarding than a pretend one.

 

Let Brandy go and date real people. It's not OK. The person you are harming is yourself.

 

Let me put it this way... with real humans, you can get AIDS. And AIDS causes a slow and horrible death that eats away your body. The OP in this thread is certainly safe from that.

 

As for real relationships vs ones with tulpae, the ones with tulpae cost a hell of a lot less. And you don't have to deal with them having a monthly moment on you. And you can ignore them if they argue with you. And anniversaries cost less. And you don't have a chance at STDs or unwanted pregnancies. And weddings cost less. And honeymoons cost less. And divorces cost less. And money isn't ever an issue. And they age better. And they don't cheat on you (They can't, unless you make another tulpa for them). And they can't go insane and kill you. And you never have to clean up after them. And-

 

Wait, hold on, what advantages do real relationships hold that the OP wouldn't have? I mean, he's already happy. And less likely to be miserable.

Edited September 9, 2012 by KakeiTheWolf

[Silverhoof 2,844]

What makes it that you can claim who is real and who isn't, who died and made you king of reality? Reality is all perception, you may not be able to see a tulpa, but it is real to the creator, and to those who converse with them. To claim tulpae can't be real is almost akin to racism, because they are different than you, they aren't equal. And don't say that isn't what you meant, because you are claiming that they could never stand up to a, as you say, "real person."

 

Have you been with a tulpa before, how can you know it truly isn't as rewarding as a "real relationship." I've shared wonderful moments with Arya, they were neither better, nor worse than with my physical friends. A friend is a friend, and if you happen to want that friend to become more than that, its your choice. Be that friend physical, or immaterial.

 

You claim he is harming himself by doing this? I'd like to know what sort of harm he would become, besides criticism from others like yourself, which is unjust, and is no reason to not go along with it.

 

Arya: "Why is it that humans see "real" as a term that means greater, or better, or worth more approval, also what makes me not real anyway? Tulpae are real, we just have limitations as to what extant we can interact with "your world." Should I claim that you are not "real" since you are unable to interact with my world? Explain that to me, I'm quite interested in hearing the answer."

 

Imagination doesn't create reality. No mater how much you may want it to be that way.

a tulpa is imagination that is ultimately under your control.

A relationship with a human being is NOT under your control and there is a give and take that a tulpa can never provide.

 

as for marriage? No. This just screams, "unhealthy relationship" from a mile away.

 

This kid is 17 years old. He doesn't need a pretend marriage, he needs relationships with real people.

I really do not think we should be encouraging marriage to an imaginary wolf girl.

 

This is an open forum. You should expect to get opposing views on things like this.

Edited September 9, 2012 by Silverhoof

[Guest]

Imagination doesn't create reality. No mater how much you may want it to be that way.

a tulpa is imagination that is ultimately under your control.

A relationship with a human being is NOT under your control and there is a give and take that a tulpa can never provide.

 

as for marriage? No. This just screams, "unhealthy relationship" from a mile away.

 

This kid is 17 years old. He doesn't need a pretend marriage, he needs relationships with real people.

I really do not think we should be encouraging marriage to an imaginary wolf girl.

 

This is an open forum. You should expect to get opposing views on things like this.

 

I never said I shouldn't expect opposing views, I actually expected more, I'm just saying your standpoint is uninformed, unless you have actually had experience with a tulpa.

 

There is no proof that the mind can't alter reality, just as much as there is no proof that it can, so you can't really rule that out, no matter what science or philosophy wants to tell you. Welcome to the world of absurdism, that awkward moment when you realize the universe is a no holds-bar place where anything goes and everything you know could be and probably is a lie.

 

Also, a tulpa is barely under our control, they are fairly autonomous. They can make their own decisions, and as long as you didn't mess up making your tulpa, they shouldn't require you for any of their actions, besides getting sensory data from you to know what is going on in "our world." A tulpa may be more likely to agree with you on things, but that doesn't take away from the back and forth.

 

Why does it scream "unhealthy?" Because it doesn't fit into your view of a "normal" relationship? I don't understand, you wouldn't tell two men or women they shouldn't get married because it isn't normal, would you?

 

Also, you didn't answer my or Arya's questions, answers please, the questions are piling up. :3

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Imagination doesn't create reality. No mater how much you may want it to be that way.

a tulpa is imagination that is ultimately under your control.

A relationship with a human being is NOT under your control and there is a give and take that a tulpa can never provide.

 

as for marriage? No. This just screams, "unhealthy relationship" from a mile away.

 

This kid is 17 years old. He doesn't need a pretend marriage, he needs relationships with real people.

I really do not think we should be encouraging marriage to an imaginary wolf girl.

 

This is an open forum. You should expect to get opposing views on things like this.

 

News flash bub: Real people suck.

 

Are these relationships what we would call normal? Not really. Are they any less capable of bringing happiness that being with a "real" person? Absolutely not. I was happier with a relationship with my own tulpa a while back than I am now? And you know what? I didn't have alternatives (Unless I gained a tremendous fetish for bipolar lesbians quickly), because "real" people were pricks.

 

If you want to talk about unhealthy relationships, you should have considered the fact that overall happiness is part of a health relationship. You aren't automatically going to be happy just because you can physically feel the person you're screwing. If I had to choose between a happy stable relationship between someone I could never physically touch and a person who I could touch that would bring me nothing but pain in an already miserable life, I'd be smart enough to choose the prior.

 

And one further thing to remember: Cognito, ergo eam est. I think, therefore it is.

Edited September 9, 2012 by KakeiTheWolf

[ToridAkbolto 170]

I don't believe that I should impose my beliefs on others through an online forum, knowing only so much as a couple paragraphs of information on another person's life.

 

I'll just say:

 

To each his own. Good luck with your life.

[Silverhoof 2,844]

I never said I shouldn't expect opposing views, I actually expected more, I'm just saying your standpoint is uninformed, unless you have actually had experience with a tulpa.

 

There is no proof that the mind can't alter reality, just as much as there is no proof that it can, so you can't really rule that out, no matter what science or philosophy wants to tell you. Welcome to the world of absurdism, that awkward moment when you realize the universe is a no holds-bar place where anything goes and everything you know could be and probably is a lie.

 

Also, a tulpa is barely under our control, they are fairly autonomous. They can make their own decisions, and as long as you didn't mess up making your tulpa, they shouldn't require you for any of their actions, besides getting sensory data from you to know what is going on in "our world." A tulpa may be more likely to agree with you on things, but that doesn't take away from the back and forth.

 

Why does it scream "unhealthy?" Because it doesn't fit into your view of a "normal" relationship? I don't understand, you wouldn't tell two men or women they shouldn't get married because it isn't normal, would you?

 

Also, you didn't answer my or Arya's questions, answers please, the questions are piling up. :3

 

So long as this doesn't get into a fight, or a nasty debate. OK.

There is no proof that the mind can't alter reality,

On the contrary, there is a great deal of proof. Magic does not exist. As much as we may want it to be, no one can perform real magic on stage. There are those who claim this, but it always turns out to be a trick.

---No has ever mentally altered a losing lotto ticket into a winning one.

 

Science builds on the rules of reality. These rules are how we measure the universe. The burden of proof is not on the unbeliever, but on the believer. You can say, "I have a cow in my barn and people are likely to believe you.

IF you say, "I have a dinosaur in my barn." people are gonna want to see some sort of proof.

The burden of "proof" is on you.

Also, a tulpa is barely under our control, they are fairly autonomous.

So you say. Imagination is a marvelous thing. I've dreamed things I never saw before. I've been so shocked at events in my dream that I woke up. My dream did not seem to be under my control.

--It's easy to make any claim you want when no one but you can see your tulpa.

Why does it scream "unhealthy?"

Marriage? To an imaginary creation of your own making? Shutting out all other possible REAL partners? and a very young age?

I don't think I need to explain unhealthy. It should be self evident.

 

As for Arya...I'm under no obligation to answer to pretend people. But just for fun...

Should I claim that you are not "real" since you are unable to interact with my world? Explain that to me, I'm quite interested in hearing the answer."

 

 

My reality is not for you to accept or deny. I'm real enough to pay taxes, vote, be physically born and die. These are all things you cannot do. You cannot demand equal rights on your own, except through a proxy. You can't even speak out without a real human to translate or type for you. Whatever you claim matters not to me. reality simply cannot be altered by imagination.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

On the contrary, there is a great deal of proof. Magic does not exist. As much as we may want it to be, no one can perform real magic on stage. There are those who claim this, but it always turns out to be a trick.

---No has ever mentally altered a losing lotto ticket into a winning one.

 

Science builds on the rules of reality. These rules are how we measure the universe. The burden of proof is not on the unbeliever, but on the believer. You can say, "I have a cow in my barn and people are likely to believe you.

IF you say, "I have a dinosaur in my barn." people are gonna want to see some sort of proof.

The burden of "proof" is on you.

 

If you say the mind does not alter reality, you are very short sighted and wrong. Our minds are what allow us to think and move and speak. No action by humanity would have ever been done without the mind. Reality was SHAPED by our minds.

 

As for quantitative proof? Don't make me laugh. Humans have very little knowledge of even the fourth dimension, let alone all of them. We know too little as a race to summarize a reality we hardly understand.

 

As well, in the bolded, you used the fallacy opus probandii, indicating the very flaw you pointed out, you exemplified.

 

As for a dinosaur under a barn... ever hear of FOSSILS?

 

Edit: As for the concept of marriage, I could easily point out that I find the concept of gay marriage as pointless as you find the concept of tulpa marriage, but that would mean you would have to point out the one thing that proves your original statement wrong: The desire for marriage has no root except for in the perceived happiness it would bring.

Edited September 9, 2012 by KakeiTheWolf

[Silverhoof 2,844]

If you say the mind does not alter reality, you are very short sighted and wrong. Our minds are what allow us to think and move and speak. No action by humanity would have ever been done without the mind. Reality was SHAPED by our minds.

 

As for quantitative proof? Don't make me laugh. Humans have very little knowledge of even the fourth dimension, let alone all of them. We know too little as a race to summarize a reality we hardly understand.

 

As well, in the bolded, you used the fallacy opus probandii, indicating the very flaw you pointed out, you exemplified.

 

As for a dinosaur under a barn... ever hear of FOSSILS?

 

Imagining a log cabin and building one is not the same as a tulpa.

everyone can see my cabin. Physical=reality=proof.

 

But if I say, "FiFi the invisible poodle girl is my wife?" people may well question my sanity. No proof is possible.

 

Demanding that others accept imaginary wives is a bizarre thing to ask. I'm surprised that so few have come out and said this may be unhealthy.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Imagining a log cabin and building one is not the same as a tulpa.

everyone can see my cabin. Physical=reality=proof.

 

But if I say, "FiFi the invisible poodle girl is my wife?" people may well question my sanity. No proof is possible.

 

Demanding that others accept imaginary wives is a bizarre thing to ask. I'm surprised that so few have come out and said this may be unhealthy.

 

Compared to MY tale, the OP's is fairly tame.

 

And as I've said before, marriage is about the perception of happiness, not whether or not you can physically feel the person you are boning.

 

And your definition of unhealthy is subjective. A psychologist would think nothing of a situation like this, unless it led to extraneous issues. A general rule of thumb would be that any hallucinations are fine unless they cause damage to the person experiencing them or people around them.

 

And if you want to REALLY talk about unhealthy, I could go extensively into detail about how unhealthy sex (coital and non-coital alike) is.