gaming Any Pokémon fans?

[Mudkip 100]

Yes! I just got myself my Kiwi colored Gameboy color just so I could play 1st and second gen games. I'm kind limited on money at the moment, but I also got Crystal today and I haven't put the thing down for over four hours! I've also been playing Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue team for my GBA, which is also highly addicting.

 

And just a question to all the Pokemon fans here, does anyone think that there is too much hate for Pokemon Black and White?

Of course they aren't the best in the standards of Pokemon, but they are still really good games.

[Sapphire Quill 1,186]

Yes! I just got myself my Kiwi colored Gameboy color just so I could play 1st and second gen games. I'm kind limited on money at the moment, but I also got Crystal today and I haven't put the thing down for over four hours! I've also been playing Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue team for my GBA, which is also highly addicting.

 

And just a question to all the Pokemon fans here, does anyone think that there is too much hate for Pokemon Black and White?

Of course they aren't the best in the standards of Pokemon, but they are still really good games.

 

Which Black and White? The originals or Black and White 2?

Because Black and White 2, were amazing games in my mind, great story, I connected with N through it,

as well as added pokemon from previous gens in it,

as for the Originals, I liked them as well, first playing them, it was a huge leap from HG/SS

I didn't as much like the storyline, but they were still enjoyable games to play

I spent a good 400 Hours on mine, Which isn't much compared to my 948 hours on My Diamond :3

[ShinySneasel 34]

And just a question to all the Pokemon fans here, does anyone think that there is too much hate for Pokemon Black and White?

Of course they aren't the best in the standards of Pokemon, but they are still really good games.

 

Wait what? The only people I have seen bashing on Black/2 & White/2 in general are the nostalgia-fags who loathe anything that is not Generation I and II.

[Radiance64 7,053]

Yes! I just got myself my Kiwi colored Gameboy color just so I could play 1st and second gen games. I'm kind limited on money at the moment, but I also got Crystal today and I haven't put the thing down for over four hours! I've also been playing Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue team for my GBA, which is also highly addicting. And just a question to all the Pokemon fans here, does anyone think that there is too much hate for Pokemon Black and White?Of course they aren't the best in the standards of Pokemon, but they are still really good games.

Yeah, I think B/W get dumped on a little too much sometimes... the Gen V games are the best Pokemon games on DS imo and my personal favorites, I'm sure X/Y will probably eclipse them for me though.

[Kapi 215]

Yes! I just got myself my Kiwi colored Gameboy color just so I could play 1st and second gen games. I'm kind limited on money at the moment, but I also got Crystal today and I haven't put the thing down for over four hours! I've also been playing Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue team for my GBA, which is also highly addicting.

 

And just a question to all the Pokemon fans here, does anyone think that there is too much hate for Pokemon Black and White?

Of course they aren't the best in the standards of Pokemon, but they are still really good games.

I've been playing Silver again, since my 3DS doesn't like me much....

 

I never really liked B/W, but B2/W2 are AMAZING, I think my 100+ hours of play time speak for me, and the fact that B2 is the first game where I legitimately raised a Pokemon to Level 100. But X and Y are looking pretty cool too!

 

I mean come on, Variable sized text boxes are the best thing to EVER happen in a video game! /sarcasm

I was never one for customizing my trainer, but doesn't it seem a bit... limited? Three choices per gender, or are those just bases, and you customize from there?

Also, I really like the panda and the electric Pokemon, they look pretty cool!

Edited May 12, 2013 by Kapi

[Gourgeist 262]

I am cheating but only to get those pokemon and infinite money. I could have gone without infinite money but it was just to make sure  I don't run out of resources 

[Luximus 482]

My favorite is Luxray. 

He's awesome, powerful, beautiful, strong, fast, and reminds me of Shadow the hedgehog. That's why I have "lux" in my name.

[silverreverb 129]

new pokemon!

 

I like how the panda is pretty much a punk, like something out cromartie high or beelzebub. its evo line will probably involve becoming the boss

 

if I recall correctly, the new regional bird is the first normal/flying that can learn flame charge.

 

if you can ride that one pokemon in the field does that mean that pokemon following the trainer on the field is coming back?

 

still no steel/ghost =\

Edited May 12, 2013 by silverreverb

[ShinySneasel 34]

still no steel/ghost =

 

Ghost/Steel would be SO broken if it ever happened. Only two, 2x weaknesses as opposed to three immunities, five 2x resists, and one 4x resist. If you take into account the likelihood of the ghost Pokemon having levitate, the Ground type weakness becomes an immunity, leaving it weak to only Fire type moves.

 

...I want it.

[silverreverb 129]

Ghost/Steel would be SO broken if it ever happened. Only two, 2x weaknesses as opposed to three immunities, five 2x resists, and one 4x resist. If you take into account the likelihood of the ghost Pokemon having levitate, the Ground type weakness becomes an immunity, leaving it weak to only Fire type moves.

 

...I want it.

I know XD

chances are that it'll be a defense oriented legendary, if they ever do make it. that's fine by me though, as long as it has a good design. I plan on using it alongside my chandelure once I get my hands on it

[Mutemutt 773]

If I could get just one wish granted from Gamefreak it would be to give flareon flare blitz. Seriously, flareon has a base 130 atk and its best physical STAB is fire fang? That's just sad.

[lazymoogle 7]

Super big pokemon fan here! My favorite pokemon is wobbafett! I also really like pikachu and charmander though. So adorable. T_T

[sodainmycereal 4]

Pokemon is probably in my top ten franchises, counting Mystery Dungeon.

A few of my teams are:

Team sweep

Gallade (Speedy)

Serperior (SnakeWeed)

Braviery (StormEagle)

Krookadile (Gummy :3)

Arcanine (Bastila)

And Electivire (Thundalane)

Team Chaos:

Whimsicott (Pinkie Pie)

Scrafty (my name here)

Vanniluxe

Mandibuzz (Necky)

And Beedrill (King Zing

Unnamed Team:

Infernape

Blastoise

Rhyperior

Scolipede

Luxray (Angel

And Hitmonchan (Wrath)

[DusK 1,264]

 

 

So, it's looking like my productivity will end up in a dark, deep pit of nothingness when October hits. Thanks, Nintendo. Thanks.

[Groovyle 43]

Pokemon! Yay!

...I can't think of any particular favorite, but some ones I like are Piplup, Shinx, and Starly. I don't know...because they're cute? (Or maybe because I played them in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon : Explorers of Sky)

 

 

 

still no steel/ghost =\

Err...would be great but...how is it a ghost steel?

I mean it's a ghost and it's steel too.... how do you know that it's a steel ghost?

You can't touch a ghost :/ ...and steel is hard...and...the steel would be useless...and awjasebgwfegojn....Ouch my mind derp-ed!

 

I like water starters dunno why. They're always adorable in some ways.

Edited May 14, 2013 by Groovyle

[RWB 229]

-Snip

 

I agree with most of your post, but not all of it.

 

Dragon, seen as the greatest offensive? No, it's actually seen as a pretty eh offensive typing- it's the sheer power of the STAB Outrage and Draco Meteor combined with the massive stats that Dragons commonly have.

 

And Flying as the other top? No.

 

Fighting, Ice and Water are already seen overall as superior offensive typings to those(and so is Ground).

[Radiance64 7,053]

So, it's looking like my productivity will end up in a dark, deep pit of nothingness when October hits. Thanks, Nintendo. Thanks.

Mine too it seems, it was nice knowing ya productivity...

Anyway, the game is looking fantastic, finally a 3D camera, and mounting! Can't wait!

Oh, and here's the boxart for X/Y:

Edited May 14, 2013 by SBB64

[silverreverb 129]

Err...would be great but...how is it a ghost steel?

I mean it's a ghost and it's steel too.... how do you know that it's a steel ghost?

You can't touch a ghost :/ ...and steel is hard...and...the steel would be useless...and awjasebgwfegojn....Ouch my mind derp-ed!

well, golurk is ghost/ground but it is based on golems which are said to be made of clay. a steel/ghost could possibly be a modern version of that, though I hope they something more interesting than that.

 

Oh, and here's the boxart for X/Y:

box.jpg

o .o 

this isn't really helping in deciding which to pick though =P

I find it odd that the cover for X feel really open and expansive while the cover for Y feels more enclosed

[Kapi 215]

Here's some more details on some of the new Pokemon that Bulbapedia doesn't have up yet.

All of this is from the press release issued by Nintendo...

 

-The cowardly Pokémon Helioptile, a Normal- and Electric-type Pokémon, can generate enough electricity through sunbathing to power machinery. But wise Trainers won’t be deterred by Helioptile’s lack of bravery. It knows Parabolic Charge, a brand-new move where Helioptile attacks everything around it. Helioptile's HP is restored by half the damage taken by those hit.

-Fletchling, a Normal- and Flying-type Pokémon, sings with a beautiful chirp that is sure to delight any Trainer. Although it is known to be very friendly, Fletchling will suddenly unleash relentless attacks once it’s in battle. For example, when it uses its Fire-type move Flame Charge in battle, in addition to doing damage, Fletchling’s Speed increases every time.

-With a leaf always in its mouth and an intimidating glare that is rarely effective, Fighting-type Pokémon Pancham shows its playful side when it lets out a little smile when its head is pat. Pancham can learn a brand-new move, Parting Shot, which not only lowers an opponent’s Attack and Special Attack, but also allows Pancham to switch out for another Pokémon in a Trainer’s party during battle.

-Pokémon X and Pokémon Y introduce a new method of transportation—riding the brand-new Pokémon, Gogoat. This large Grass-type Pokémon is a reliable way to travel certain parts of Lumiose City. In battle, it can use Horn Leech to recover HP equal to half the damage dealt by this move.

Edited May 14, 2013 by Kapi

[DusK 1,264]

Seems like what they're saying is that the ride ability will only be for that one Pokemon. If that's true, that makes me a sad panda.

[Mutemutt 773]

Seems like what they're saying is that the ride ability will only be for that one Pokemon. If that's true, that makes me a sad panda.

 

Aww, that would suck. I was looking forward to riding a rapidash across the rolling plains, or maybe riding an Arcanine. It looks like there's plenty of candidates, it would be a shame if the goat was the only pokemon with the ride ability.  

[RWB 229]

I'm hoping for a Fire/Flying Rapidash evo. xD

 

 

 

Well, either way, Fairy-type is looking more likely by the minute. And as a big fan of folklore, this pleases me greatly.

 

 

Bring on the nix(Water/Fairy), the huldra(multiple types, Rock/Fairy, Grass/Fairy, Water/Fairy), the vitterfolk(ground/fairy) and the Dullahan(ghost/fairy).

[deadprofile 1,122]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Pokemon!!! Grew up on it! Have EVERY GAME (in the handheld market) to date except for any currently on the 3DS.  The 3DS itself actually gives me a bad headache, so although I really want to play X/Y (especially because of the deer looking legendary Pokemon), I will probably really wait on this new gen. until the 3DS get cheaper. 

 

My Favorite deer...er...I mean Pokemon...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn49Ie5AV_2fMzKvlOL-aBVu8HBsaOvwktBfRlgJ1Oa46LTDLH

 

Deerling is my all time favorite (autumn form especially because it's so...natural looking and I got married in "early" autumn, and it's my husband's fav. season {I like 'em all})

Then it would be Sawsbuck of course

Then Pikachu (I wanted one for a pet as a kid)

Then Xerneas (I can't help myself)

Then Stantler (my least favorite deer, and probably always will be because its face never sat well with me)

 

Any non-deer (and Pikachu related) pokemen....uhhh...I am very unsure at the moment...

I really don't like GenV pokemon, because I really saw how "uncreative" the pokemon were getting...Gen IV was pretty forgettable in my book, I can't think of any off hand....

[Espeon 338]

I agree with most of your post, but not all of it.

 

Dragon, seen as the greatest offensive? No, it's actually seen as a pretty eh offensive typing- it's the sheer power of the STAB Outrage and Draco Meteor combined with the massive stats that Dragons commonly have.

 

And Flying as the other top? No.

 

Fighting, Ice and Water are already seen overall as superior offensive typings to those(and so is Ground).

 

RE: Dragon

Dragon has high-power moves (when STAB, but 1. offensive typing discussion usually shafts the use of the type in question as a coverage move, thus assuming STAB, and 2. who uses Dragon for coverage anyway besides, like, Heatran sometimes) and is only resisted by one type.  Super-effective coverage is only part of the discussion, and while Dragon doesn't hit much super effectively, it has generally high base power and hits more types neutrally than any other.  Is that, combined with the lack of Dragon immunity outside of Shedinja, not enough to be at least one of the top couple offensive types?

 

The "stats of Dragons are generally a lot higher than stats of non-Dragons, thus giving an unaccounted-for-in-post unfair boost to the power of Dragon moves" argument is true, but other types have large offensive stats as well, for example Chandelure, Tyranitar, Metagross, Conkeldurr, Breloom, Thundurus-T, Landorus-T, and Darmanitan, none of which are Dragons and all of which have an offensive stat of at least base 130 and at most base 145 (compare to OU's Haxorus/Latios at 147 and 130 respectively with the outlier Kyurem-B at 170).  They're just not as consistently large.

 

RE: Flying

I recall that, when Tornadus-T was in OU, someone compared the number of top-20-usage resists of Flying (resisted by three types) and Dragon (resisted by one type) and found that less resisted Flying than did Dragon, even in an environment where Hurricane was everywhere.  Torn-T's Hurricane was some crazy stuff, and the things people relied on to take it were typically Jirachi, Heatran, Tyranitar, and Rotom-W.  Though Flying may be uncommon, the couple Pokemon that could use it (really mostly Torn-T, Gliscor, and Staraptor because HP Flying is too weak, but also the occasional Dragonite and Archeops) had easy ways to bypass those resists: Fighting/Ground moves in the case of the former two and sometimes Nite, but Nite could also use Water, Ground, Dragon, or Electric in some combo (often Dragon with EQ/Superpower expressly for Steels and Tar) depending on what it wants to specifically do.  That was a really messy way to express that, but...

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Flying is like Dragon but with better super-effective coverage, less potential abusers, and a slightly different list of resists (considering four or five common Steels and one common Rock are Flying-neutral and Rotom-W is the only real common OU Electric with any worthwhile bulk).  Since you don't seem to think Dragon is a good offensive type, I can sort of see why you wouldn't think Flying is that great.

 

RE: Fighting/Ground

Yes, they have the most super effective hits on individual types on paper in addition to high-power moves which often have little drawback.  Sure, they're super effective against Steel.  My major thing with them, though, is that they have entire types immune to them, with Ground also having to contend with Levitate.  They're not nearly as spammable (Fighting is pretty close to spammable though, because Ghost is rare: much more spammable than Ground, which has the entire Flying type, a lot of 'mons by itself, and all the Levitate 'mons to deal with), which is definitely a con in my book.  Fighting also has the Special side against it, where the strongest common move is Focus Blast, which has an unraiseable-by-any-sane-means 70% accuracy, with only the weak HP Fighting below it and the really uncommon Aura Sphere in-between.  I find that each has more factors limiting their potential than other types; they're more "all or nothing" usually.

 

Basically Ground is all set with Earthquake/Earth Power as relatively powerful physical/special moves, but numerous Ground-immunes kind of tear it down a bit.  Fighting has less Pokemon immune to it, but has to deal with the unreliable Focus Blast specially.  It's all set physically, though, with Close Combat for those that have it and Superpower for those that don't.

 

RE: Other?

Also Ice is wonderful as a coverage move and pretty good as a STAB, with the only real downside to having Ice STAB being the inherent defensive shortcomings of the type.  Neutral hits on Ferrothorn and Skarmory are cool, too.  You got me there.

 

With all that said, one could also argue that some of these types are only as good / not good / average as they are because of how good other types are offensively; the best offensive types will often influence commonness (and therefore importance) of defensive typings.  Prime example is early Gen IV, where Dragon was getting the best the best the best of the meta, thus making Steels more necessary and prevalent, which made Fighting and Ground better offensive types than they already were.  Ghosts/Flyings and other types stepped in to take some Fighting/Ground moves, etc. etc.  Basically all of this is relative to the environment around it, not just relating to typing alone but also to the stats of certain Pokemon allowing them to do things well independently of typing, such as Blissey as a special wall.

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About the new reveal stuff, meh.  I have mostly neutral opinions of everything but the bird and the female protag design, both of which I like more than the other related reveal stuff.  They're both pretty unique-looking compared to standard stuff we've seen before, and bird appeals with relative simplicity / girl appeals with relative complexity that isn't overbearing.  Nothing that I dislike, but not much that I really love upon first impression either.

[RWB 229]

RE: Dragon

Dragon has high-power moves (when STAB, but 1. offensive typing discussion usually shafts the use of the type in question as a coverage move, thus assuming STAB, and 2. who uses Dragon for coverage anyway besides, like, Heatran sometimes) and is only resisted by one type.  Super-effective coverage is only part of the discussion, and while Dragon doesn't hit much super effectively, it has generally high base power and hits more types neutrally than any other.  Is that, combined with the lack of Dragon immunity outside of Shedinja, not enough to be at least one of the top couple offensive types?

 

The "stats of Dragons are generally a lot higher than stats of non-Dragons, thus giving an unaccounted-for-in-post unfair boost to the power of Dragon moves" argument is true, but other types have large offensive stats as well, for example Chandelure, Tyranitar, Metagross, Conkeldurr, Breloom, Thundurus-T, Landorus-T, and Darmanitan, none of which are Dragons and all of which have an offensive stat of at least base 130 and at most base 145 (compare to OU's Haxorus/Latios at 147 and 130 respectively with the outlier Kyurem-B at 170).  They're just not as consistently large.

 

RE: Flying

I recall that, when Tornadus-T was in OU, someone compared the number of top-20-usage resists of Flying (resisted by three types) and Dragon (resisted by one type) and found that less resisted Flying than did Dragon, even in an environment where Hurricane was everywhere.  Torn-T's Hurricane was some crazy stuff, and the things people relied on to take it were typically Jirachi, Heatran, Tyranitar, and Rotom-W.  Though Flying may be uncommon, the couple Pokemon that could use it (really mostly Torn-T, Gliscor, and Staraptor because HP Flying is too weak, but also the occasional Dragonite and Archeops) had easy ways to bypass those resists: Fighting/Ground moves in the case of the former two and sometimes Nite, but Nite could also use Water, Ground, Dragon, or Electric in some combo (often Dragon with EQ/Superpower expressly for Steels and Tar) depending on what it wants to specifically do.  That was a really messy way to express that, but...

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Flying is like Dragon but with better super-effective coverage, less potential abusers, and a slightly different list of resists (considering four or five common Steels and one common Rock are Flying-neutral and Rotom-W is the only real common OU Electric with any worthwhile bulk).  Since you don't seem to think Dragon is a good offensive type, I can sort of see why you wouldn't think Flying is that great.

 

Dragon itself isn't a great offensive type- and neither is flying. But you are certainly right that there are several mons that make great use of their moves- again in case of the Dragon-Type, those. Both fall into the good, but not great territory.

 

Dragon is a good, but not great offensive type- only 1 resist is good. But yeah only hitting 1 type super-effectively does make it worse than the types I mentioned in that regard. But yeah, it's abusers are very powerful themselves- and most of them have better speed than other powerhouses and more bulk. I suppose you could say I'm arguing that the type itself isn't the best, but that the stat distribution of it's abusers pushes it into it's position of near-broken.

 

As for who would use it as coverage- Solar Power Charizard. Very niche, but it does exist.

 

 

Flying is similar, in that most of the great abusers either have ridiculous overall stats(Thundurus-T, Landorus, Landorus-T) or abilities(Dragonite, Tornadus-T). Staraptor is awesome, yes, but it really does fall back on it's CC(and to an extent, U-Turn) to work. There's a reason Guts Facade/Brave Bird Swellow doesn't really make OU, despite awesome speed and power.

 

Flying does however have a marvelous set of offensive attacks, I'm not gonna argue with that. Most Types dream of having Brave Bird, Gem-Acrobatics and Hurricane(that confusion is nasty!).

 

 

Essentially, these two are reliant on the users being pretty broke already to really shine. Meanwhile, the typings I've mentioned are not- they are fantastic as STAB and as coverage alike.

 

I do agree on your comments about the immunities against Fighting and Ground.