Cadence: The 7th Element of Harmony, 'Love'?

[Inactive Account 104]

I'm relatively new to this fandom. I've just finished season 2 and bought some trading card packs. I got Princess Cadence and the back of her card had something rather peculiar on it... It says "Element of Harmony-Love". After looking at this, I went back to that episode and watched Chrysallis get defeated by Cadence and Shining Armor. And sure enough, her eyes did the same thing Twilight's did when she used the elements.

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

  On 2012-10-24 at 6:11 PM, 'Wonderbolt Rainbow Dash' said:

I'm relatively new to this fandom. I've just finished season 2 and bought some trading card packs. I got Princess Cadence and the back of her card had something rather peculiar on it... It says "Element of Harmony-Love". After looking at this, I went back to that episode and watched Chrysallis get defeated by Cadence and Shining Armor. And sure enough, her eyes did the same thing Twilight's did when she used the elements.

 

This is very interesting. I never would have thought about this. When I just read this post, I realized it then. Love should and is the seventh element of harmony. Queen Chrysalis was filled with hate, which is the opposite of love. She was planning to marry Shining Armor, so the hate could transfer over and they could rule Ponyville. But love is 10x as powerful as hate.

 

Also note that in the episodes that deal with the elements of harmony, the opposites of the elements are shown in the ponies as well.

[Inactive Account 104]

It was bothering me about thinking of the opposites of each element during the Discord episodes.

 

Honesty-----Dishonesty

Generosity-----Greed

Laughter-----Stress

Kindness-----Rudeness

Loyalty-----Disloyalty

 

I was thinking what is the opposite of magic? After becoming confused about the answer, I gave up and a few days later it hit me.

 

Magic-----Nothing

[PonyEcho 1,610]

it could just all be a coincidence other wise it would have been called an element

  On 2012-10-24 at 6:37 PM, 'Wonderbolt Rainbow Dash' said:

 

I was thinking what is the opposite of magic? After becoming confused about the answer, I gave up and a few days later it hit me.

 

Magic-----Nothing

 

Friendship IS Magic <- just a little something to help you

[olitippo 1]

I think there should also be a element for forgiveness or acceptance? These seem relevant to the story and all. But seeing love on the card? THose are good points

[Arcanel 3,041]

  On 2012-10-24 at 6:37 PM, 'Wonderbolt Rainbow Dash' said:

Magic-----Nothing

Well, like Ponyecho said, here Friendship is Magic. No friendship, equals no magic, which is why Twilight got discorded when she realized her friends...were her friends no more.

 

As for the topic itself, while not exactly a bad assumption (especially with the card), it could easily be debated that since two of the strongest ponies got together (AKA, Shining and Cadence), that would be strong enough to warrant the blank eye. Besides, Chrysalis isn't filled with hate. Does she hate? Probably, but it wasn't her main sentiment. I think that prize goes to greed, since she wanted to govern the ponies so she could feed on their love, regardless of what could have happened to them.

[PonyEcho 1,610]

  On 2012-10-24 at 7:30 PM, 'olitippo' said:

I think there should also be a element for forgiveness or acceptance? These seem relevant to the story and all. But seeing love on the card? THose are good points

 

i think if they were going to add those elements it would all be labeled under Compassion

however we already have elements that have a fraction of Compassion already..... all of them

[JeanHover 326]

I think I've heard of this before somewhere.

 

Based on speculation of the teasers for S3, it will probably be explained then. Princess Cadance was mentioned, Twilight Sparkle saying that "her magic will not last forever." Clearly she plays a major role in the first episode, so keep your fingers crossed that it will be confirmed. I kinda don't want there to be a seventh element, though. It's kinda out of place, being that on the very first episode and throughout both seasons it was specifically said that there were only six.

[~Asuka <3~ 867]

This is interesting. I guess i would be kind of cool if there was a seventh element. A plot twist with a seventh element would make a pretty neat and interesting episode.

[hgugyughvhjvhjbhjb 22]

I don't understand why this confuses people. I thought they made it pretty clear in A Canterlot Wedding that Love is an element. Did everyone just assume the power of love defeated Chrysalis? Or did they really have to spell it out for everyone?

 

Also, as I've stated in another thread, when Trixie appears in S3 she should totally become the element of forgivness.

Edited October 26, 2012 by Bobado

[Noah 27]

For all we know there could be infinite elements, maybe each pony holds their own element such as a cutie mark for them to discover! Its all very interesting, maybe the six elements are the most important an crucial, hense having the elements actually made into a physical stone/jewel. To make sure ponies never forget! Or maybe only princesses have them! Its all very cool to think about...

 

Who knows, maybe we will see more elements in this upcoming season! Maybe the villian even has his own element!

 

So many maybies....

 

-Noah

[Carnival Cat 26]

considering the elements of harmony are based on the rainbow of light from the original gens i believe the seventh element is trust

[Zygen 6,066]

  On 2012-10-24 at 6:37 PM, Wonderbolt Rainbow Dash said:

It was bothering me about thinking of the opposites of each element during the Discord episodes.

 

Honesty-----Dishonesty

Generosity-----Greed

Laughter-----Stress

Kindness-----Rudeness

Loyalty-----Disloyalty

 

I was thinking what is the opposite of magic? After becoming confused about the answer, I gave up and a few days later it hit me.

 

Magic-----Nothing

I actually think that the way Twilight's discorded self works is more like this.

 

So the element of magic is also the element of friendship, because friendship is magic and vis versa. So when Twilight lost all of her friends she lost the magic of friendship.

 

Get it? Friendship and magic kinda fall into the same thing for the same element because friendship IS magic(As the title suggests of course. .)

 

 

As for the 7th element thing.. I'm not really sure, I haven't considered it or anything, but I can't see how it would happen since if there really was a 7th element then wouldn't it be required to use the other 6? Its been proven that without even 1 element of harmony that they can't be used, so if that where the case and there was a 7th element the mane 6 could not have ever used the elements of harmony.

 

Just a though, and I doubt they'd introduce another element. I think her talent is just spreading love.

[Mortimer 332]

I think the 7th element should be either knowledge or love. However, i have yet to find somepony to fit one of these 2 elements, a good candidate.

[Carnival Cat 26]

  On 2012-12-21 at 4:54 AM, The_Laughing_Mare said:

As for the 7th element thing.. I'm not really sure, I haven't considered it or anything, but I can't see how it would happen since if there really was a 7th element then wouldn't it be required to use the other 6? Its been proven that without even 1 element of harmony that they can't be used, so if that where the case and there was a 7th element the mane 6 could not have ever used the elements of harmony.

 not true! my theory is trust is the seventh element and here is how, true friendships cannot be forged without trust, magic:no trust=no friendship and no friendship=no magic.honesty: are you going to be honest to those you can't trust?loyalty: you can't truely be loyal to those you distrust. kindness: untrustworthy people do not deserve kindness. generosity: who needs generosity if it is untrue? laughter: untrustworhty people will take advantage of you and laugh at your expense. trust is what binds the elements together and without it would be ineffective. therefore i feel trust would be the logical choice for a seventh element!

Edited December 21, 2012 by The_Laughing_Mare

[Rook 2]

I was toying around with an idea myself, that there could be more elements, but the others were always in the background. Sort of, they don't need an element of hope maybe, unless here is no hope left around to use. The 6 elements represent the opposites of the villains that they face.

 

Discord spreads greed, sadness, anger, dishonesty, disloyalty and eventually loneliness (the counter to friendship). The six are the counter to these. We already know discord was around long before the 6 so it's not unreasonable to assume that they represent a planned counter to him.

[Carnival Cat 26]

TRUST!!!!!!! true friendships cannot be forged without trust, magic:no trust=no friendship and no friendship=no magic.honesty: are you going to be honest to those you can't trust?loyalty: you can't truely be loyal to those you distrust. kindness: untrustworthy people do not deserve kindness. generosity: who needs generosity if it is untrue? laughter: untrustworhty people will take advantage of you and laugh at your expense. trust is what binds the elements together and without it would be ineffective. therefore i feel trust would be the logical choice for a seventh element!

[Archi the Atmomancer 564]

I hope they don't reveal a new element as a "surprise", that sort of thing strikes me as really cheesy and unnecessary considering the main characters seem to be doing fine on their own. It would take away from the uniqueness of the Mane 6 and make it seem, I don't know, maybe like anyone you know could be an Element of Harmony?

[Stellafera 3,836]

  On 2012-12-21 at 1:06 PM, Carnival Cat said:

 Not true! My theory is trust is the seventh element and here is how, true friendships cannot be forged without trust.

 

I think that this all falls under the purview of Honesty. Notice that the largest impact from discorded Applejack was a loss of trust in her and her inability to provide a stable platform of truth to the rest of the team. Don't make honesty just telling the truth, or nopony is going to think that Applejack is the element of honesty. And it makes the role of the element of honesty more important and more relevant to friendship. 

Edited December 23, 2012 by Stellafera

[Jelly Hooves 0]

I don't think Cadence is the 7th. neither is love. I'm pretty sure the cards aren't made by the people working for the show, and, therefore, can't be considered cannon. Also, if Cadence was the 7th, we would see her more often, and she would have an element. I do like the idea of a 7th element. I often daydream that, in an an alternate universe, I'm the 6th element, introduced from the beginning. My element is one that i haven't seen others use; Communication.

[Jangocoolguy 433]

It seems she represents love. But I wouldn't call her an element bearer. More like important supporting characters.

 

And please, no 7th EoH. At least not for a while. I REALLY don't want FiM to find its Scrappy/Cousin Oliver... 

[paradoxical 1,735]

  On 2012-10-24 at 7:30 PM, olitippo said:

I think there should also be a element for forgiveness or acceptance? These seem relevant to the story and all. But seeing love on the card? THose are good points

 

Forgiveness is a gift.  It is an offshoot of generosity and kindness.

 

Respect (which is like acceptance) may be significant enough to be valued in a theoretical sense as an element of harmony on par with the others (though it may be honesty).

 

Love isn't needed for harmony.

 

I can live in harmony without loving you.  Take away any loyalty, honesty, kindness, generosity, or laughter, and there will eventually be no harmony.  But love -- not needed for harmony itself.

 

Unless "love" is a very watered down thing.

[Princess Prunella 0]

There was a 7th element if you watch the second episode there is 6 elements there instead of 5. 

[Princess Prunella 0]

_{I'm currently writing a fanfic about the ELEMENTS of love.}

[Jeric 46,866]

Forgiveness kinda fits generosity through magnanimity. No, I don't think that Love is a 7th Element ... but I do think that it can go hand and hand with Friendship which is why I tend to link Cadance and Twilight as symmetrical Princesses ... a twist on how Luna and Tia are, in a sense, in opposition.