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Well, after about a week of meditating, I think God's told me that He wants me to become a Universalist Christian. I've decided that the road to heaven and hell isn't simply 'Become a Christian' and that hell, while a horrible place, will eventually be emptied. Am I still welcome in this group?

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Well, after about a week of meditating, I think God's told me that He wants me to become a Universalist Christian. I've decided that the road to heaven and hell isn't simply 'Become a Christian' and that hell, while a horrible place, will eventually be emptied. Am I still welcome in this group?

No discrimination.

Just don't use it as an excuse for sin. Not that I think you would.


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No discrimination.

Just don't use it as an excuse for sin. Not that I think you would.

No, not at all. I now suscribe to the original Jewish view that we'll be forced to aknowledge the shame of our sins for a time in God's presence before we're allowed in heaven. Punishment on Earth is still a thing, too. Edited by Phanpy
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Nazarene checking in here! Good to see the "all bronies and other internet communities are made up of atheists" stereotype getting disproven here. Good to know that there are others who share similar beliefs with me!

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But there's a lot of them, and they've made me very angry.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I don't go around shoving my faith in other people's faces like some misguided others do. Saying that all Christians are argumentative and have a "holier than thou" attitude is like saying all Bronies clop, there is a very mislead and small portion that do, but most of us are just normal people that believe in something bigger than us. I'm sorry that you didn't have a good experience with my fellow believers, and I'll be praying that God can help you see that we are not all like that.

 

By the way, if you hadn't stumbled on this particular thread, you probably would never have known what I believed in, so please don't let this thread convince you that I try to force my beliefs on others I don't. I'm pretty tolerant and believe in a live and let live policy.

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Well, if it makes you feel any better, I don't go around shoving my faith in other people's faces like some misguided others do. Saying that all Christians are argumentative and have a "holier than thou" attitude is like saying all Bronies clop, there is a very mislead and small portion that do, but most of us are just normal people that believe in something bigger than us. I'm sorry that you didn't have a good experience with my fellow believers, and I'll be praying that God can help you see that we are not all like that.

 

By the way, if you hadn't stumbled on this particular thread, you probably would never have known what I believed in, so please don't let this thread convince you that I try to force my beliefs on others I don't. I'm pretty tolerant and believe in a live and let live policy.

I was referring to atheists doing this.

I haven't seen a single person be invasive with their faith here, only their anti-faith.

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I was referring to atheists doing this.

I haven't seen a single person be invasive with their faith here, only their anti-faith.

OK, sorry I didn't read your attachment all the way through, I feel kind of like a jerk now. Shouldn't have just made assumptions. Oops.

 

Regarding your point, you are right if they're barging in threads specifically about religion just to trash talk religion, that's pretty childish. But otherwise, just be kind and patient, and you'll be rewarded. I had a friend that for five years was a self-proclaimed atheist, it was a long and tiresome journey, but it just made it all the more fulfilling when he told me he had accepted Christ. It's tough, but it'll pay off in the end.

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OK, sorry I didn't read your attachment all the way through, I feel kind of like a jerk now. Shouldn't have just made assumptions. Oops.

 

Regarding your point, you are right if they're barging in threads specifically about religion just to trash talk religion, that's pretty childish. But otherwise, just be kind and patient, and you'll be rewarded. I had a friend that for five years was a self-proclaimed atheist, it was a long and tiresome journey, but it just made it all the more fulfilling when he told me he had accepted Christ. It's tough, but it'll pay off in the end.

Forgetting to read isn't making assumptions, you're fine.

The fact that a lot of members here like stirring up debate is getting to the point of making me consider leaving this place. It's that bad. I feel like this is the only Christianity-related thread that isn't going to be hijacked, and the lack of freedom to post religious content, save from one thread, without others sending it off to Jupiter is a serious concern.

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Forgetting to read isn't making assumptions, you're fine.

The fact that a lot of members here like stirring up debate is getting to the point of making me consider leaving this place. It's that bad. I feel like this is the only Christianity-related thread that isn't going to be hijacked, and the lack of freedom to post religious content, save from one thread, without others sending it off to Jupiter is a serious concern.

Meh, I wouldn't let it affect my enjoyment of the pony side of the forums. I'd just stop posting about religion often if it really bugs you that much. But just don't let it stress you out, there's people who are obnoxiously opposed to religion all over the place.


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Forgetting to read isn't making assumptions, you're fine.

The fact that a lot of members here like stirring up debate is getting to the point of making me consider leaving this place. It's that bad. I feel like this is the only Christianity-related thread that isn't going to be hijacked, and the lack of freedom to post religious content, save from one thread, without others sending it off to Jupiter is a serious concern.

I sometimes wonder how many of those threads get hijacked. Granted, I never see it but I'll take your word for it. 

 

I did always find it slightly hypocritical when an atheist talks about how hateful religion is well spewing out something equally as hateful.

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This reminds me of a time in an online academy where I met another Christian. We were having a discussion about the book of James in a public online studying room. I moaned that James seemed like a great theologian and that it was a shame he had to be stoned (probably). There was this guy named James in the study room with us and he was confused as heck. A friend pointed out that 'no, they mean Saint James,' and James had a laugh. Other guy in the room typed 'ugh, religion'. I then left to do my homework.

 

You could argue that we shouldn't have been talking about religion in a public study room, but it wasn't forbidden and we actually had a nice religious discussion the week before. I just wonder why anybody could think religion is a bad thing. If anything, it's the misuse of a religion, not the religion itself. *cough* Evangelicals *cough* Multiple religions have known to help people to be more comfortable with their lives somewhat. Also, religion benefits other things too-Hinduism has contributed to Indian culture significantly, and look at all the beautiful pieces of Christian and Muslim art.

 

If the South Park creators don't treat religion as bad, why should other people?

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I do like how you included other faiths in there. I myself hold a highly syncretic attitude.

 

Tell me, how would you describe it when you said that "God called you?" I can scarcely imagine such a thing.

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I do like how you included other faiths in there. I myself hold a highly syncretic attitude.

 

Tell me, how would you describe it when you said that "God called you?" I can scarcely imagine such a thing.

You can just kind of tell. He's fairly vague, so a lot of the issue is whenever I hear something from Him I assume it means x, while it actually has a much wider range of things.

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You can just kind of tell. He's fairly vague, so a lot of the issue is whenever I hear something from Him I assume it means x, while it actually has a much wider range of things.

 

I was more asking Phanpy because they described a specific instance, I've had my intuition nudge me to places and chalked it up to God before.

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I do like how you included other faiths in there. I myself hold a highly syncretic attitude.

 

Tell me, how would you describe it when you said that "God called you?" I can scarcely imagine such a thing.

You could say that this has been happening my entire life. When I was only five, my dad began to go big on sermons and downloaded a Paul Washer sermon (side note that while Washer has some good theological thoughts I do not approve of him as a whole) where it was said that 'Once an atheist steps into hell, the whole of creation rejoices'.

 

Five year old me could seriously not wrap my head around that. In the follwing years. I only got all the more invested in end time theology due to my dad looking up it anymore. I honestly believed in it omly until a few years ago. But one thing I could not believe in was that God would sincerly use other faiths to bring about the world's end (yes, some people actually come up with these conclusions >.>). I wasn't very accepting yet, per say, but I never really grew uncomfortable with the idea of other belief systems. I got fascinated with Catholic tradition despite being Protestant. I thought agnoticism was fascinating.

 

Now, these past three years...it's funny how God always uses secular things to speak to me. Seeing Jenny and Vastra kiss in Doctor Who? Welp, Clair, you're probably gay. But, hey, that's okay, all those verses on homoseuxality have been mistranslated, anyway. Look at Mulan, Clair, she's such a strong woman. You shouldn't be afraid to be Chinese, learn to love your yellow skin. Ever wonder why these liberals on the Internet are so nice most of the time? It's because they're doing the right thing. Leave Evangelicalism.

 

And in November last year I got obsessed with this band call the Beatles you may have heard of them idk. I got particularly obsessed with George Harrison, and I listened to his solo career the most. In one of his songs, My Sweet Lord, he sings about his desire to see His Lord. He didn't specify on whether it was Jesus or Krishna or Allah or what, just 'My Sweet Lord'. That REALLY got me thinking. In finally hit the stride last Sunday where during church my friend, who's been getting more and more liberal these past few months (only a matter of weeks before she tells me she supports same sex marrige, me thinks) and one of the things she said was 'I think that a lot of Christian's don't go to heaven, but a lot of Bhuddists and Muslims and atheists end up going there. God looks at the heart, basically.'

 

...I found myself agreeing with her.

 

During the car ride home I found myself wracking my brain a lot. It occured to me that humanity has been around for a million years and Judaism wasn't even the oldest recorded religion. What happened to all the people outside the Israeli area? Did God just condemn them to hell? Furthermore, there are legitimate experiences of people from other religions experiencing God in somewhat. The devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, true, but he doesn't have the power to play as God himself....and what kind of God gave infinite punishment for finite sins anyway?

 

At night I was so fustrated that I finally wrote down this on a piece of paper: 'The road to heaven and hell is not as complicated as mainstream Christianity thinks it is. Different people are suited for different religions. The same faith is found in different things.' ...well, it wasn't that eloquent and I spelled a lot of things wrong since it was eleven in the night, but still.

 

The next morning, I set to work. I googled a lot on universalism and found out some great blogs, much better in explaining their beliefs than anybody else I've heard before. ( I can recommend The Scientific Universalist, Experimental Theology and Window on Religion. )

 

What I learned is too much to summarize in one post, but what I learnd cause me to sincerly believe in Universalism.

 

I've been identifying as a Universalist since Tuesday and nothing's changed. I'm still reading the Bible (it just occured to me, if God promised Ishmael to make him into a great nation and that nation is currently filled with Muslims...) and aside from my newfound inclusiveness I still hold my original theological beliefs. The only thing that's changed is now that I understand how patient God is, and how forgiving he must be, I try to be patient and more understanding too.

 

So, yeah, that's my testimony. There wasn't any meditating under a tree, just in my room, and there wasn't any sudden burst of light either. The ways God speaks to you can be relatively mundane, can't they...all that matters is that I'm trying to understand every human being and what they believe in. After I finish the Bible I'm going into the Muslim and Hindu religious texts. I won't follow them, per say, but I will note how they compare to Christianity. Currently, I can see that there are more similarities than differences. It might take time, but we're all headed towards the same place. Someday.

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As much as I'd love to join I'm not sure if anyone here lives close enough to me. ^^; But you can feel free to PM me if you're interested.

 

No need to live near, this is just for us to talk freely and such. PMs are possible too though.

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Don't hate me for this. But i found this pretty adorable.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Beginning:_The_Bible_Stories

Although i am not a christian, i do have some interest in its theology. If any of you want a series that is most of the old testament in terms of anime. Then here is one series i do like. Although i watch it in spanish, reason is to avoid some censor stuff but mostly is because they removed the mascot fox Roco, which was censored from the english version (Why, i don't know. I think thats the most adorable part of the series) he usually shows up in each episode of the series. But what i like is that it feels more surreal. In compared to the cartoons i watched as a kid i felt like those left some stuff out. Just in terms of scriptures etc, which is why i kinda like this series.

 

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Don't hate me for this. But i found this pretty adorable.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Beginning:_The_Bible_Stories

Although i am not a christian, i do have some interest in its theology.

 

Why would we hate you for that? I've seen that pic a dozen times and I think it's adorable as well as appropriate. The Man would love Fluttershy for her compassion and universal love. (Although that isn't to say He would not love any of the Mane Six as Jesus loved everyone.)

 

Why are you interested in the Theology/Mythology of Christianity if you do not practice? Do you practice anything else?

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Why would we hate you for that? I've seen that pic a dozen times and I think it's adorable as well as appropriate. The Man would love Fluttershy for her compassion and universal love. (Although that isn't to say He would not love any of the Mane Six as Jesus loved everyone.)

 

Why are you interested in the Theology/Mythology of Christianity if you do not practice? Do you practice anything else?

My parents are christian, i left it at the age of 15 or something. I would define myself as a theist in terms of not actually believing any of the religions on earth is true due to what i've researched. Although i won't try to be preachy since this is a place for christian bronies to chat and talk... but just to give more of a reason why i believe what i believe.

 

Its more wishful thinking that i am a theist. Although i consider it more as a habit, that i pray the way i was taught by my parents, not always but sometimes i tend to do. Otherwise i can't say i am much of a religious person.

 

True that, although i get the feeling that Celestia and Luna have some divine stuff in them considering their hair flows. But i guess its not fundamental to their world or something that is much relevance in comparison to other stuff that happens in Equestria.

 

But in terms of Christianity i just sorta like to mingle at time, its more that i have studied christian theology and its interpretation that i kinda just jump in at times. So in some way i might be a curious person who just say something when i feel like doing it.

 

Yes. I find it pretty adorable aswell ^^

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A lot of what you said here I can agree with. Truth is, that thing your dad said sounds a lot like my father.

 

Have you ever read the book series The Chronicles Of Narnia? In it, humans visit a magical world called Narnia, which is full of mythical beasts and talking animals. Christ walks in this world as a Lion by the name of Aslan. There are also humans in this world. One of these races of men nworship a god called 'Tash.' Tash actually does exist as a being, but seems to essentially be a devil-like creature. One man of this race worshipped Tash all his life, and did so with great faith and passion, and love ( something Tash does not have. ) Upon meeting Aslan for the first time, this man regretted that he had not worshipped Aslan instead, for he seemd so much better and worthier of worship than Tash, and feared His wrath. But Aslan said, that a good work done in service to an evil deity is attributed instead to be in God's name, and that an evil work done in God's name is attributed to the name of an evil deity.

 

I feel like the man who wrote these books had something here. If you murder a man for not being a Christian in God's name, the only one cheering here is Satan. I feel like the same may well be true for the reverse; you may not be doing something in God's name, per se, but if it is good you are doing, God will reward it regardless.

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What's up, all. Checking in from the southern U.S.

 

This is actually pretty cool! Glad to see people from different faiths congregate on a site that promotes friendship, and really glad to see a successful Christian thread. Hate for hate gets exchanged between different beliefs so often that things like this are a fairly rare occurrence online.

 

I love this fandom.  ^_^

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