Fan Freedom: Lets make a Change

[O.S.U. 33]

There have been some changes

Please see my latest post regarding this matter.

 

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- - FAN FREEDOM - -

 

This will now be a place where anyone can post

thoughts, ideas, debates about the MLP Fandom concerning:

- restrictions or limitations in OC usage

- methods of avoiding infringement

- Sharing relative experiences

- Petitions and gaining signatures

- Or just to pop in to put in your two cents

 

= = = Our Goal = = =

To try and keep Fans informed and avoid anymore fan-projects from being shut down.

 

 

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I'll have some more signature images you could use later.

 

 

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Edited February 21, 2013 by O.S.U.

[hakaru-x 13]

I think the problem is Hasbro is a company, they only care about money, at least Lauren Faust, the real mother and creator of MLP does love us.It would be great if Hasbro followed the teachings of his own TV show: MLP: FIM.But i don't think that will happen.We just need to stay together and keep making this fandom bigger everyday.

 

 

 

sorry for my bad English .

[Commander Urdnot 2,680]

Hasbro is a company, they don't care about us. They only care about our money.

 

It's nothing personal, it's just business. You can't pay bills with kindness. Kindness isn't going to put food on the table. Kindness isn't going to pay their bills. Kindness isn't going to make stockholders and employees happy. Money will. They will do what makes them money. Just like any other business. That's how they work.

 

The best way to support MLP is to stop buying all of those crappy toys Hasbro makes, stop illegally downloading MLP, stop watching it on Youtube and not on the Hub, and buy the DVD's. I know, the Hub has commercials, Youtube doesn't. I know, Youtube doesn't force you to wake up at 10 am. I know, DVD's cost money. I know, the DVD's aren't in HD, but is supporting the show worth the inconvenience? I think so.

Edited February 11, 2013 by UrdiePie

[Shanks 10,816]

I like that you are trying to take some action on this as copyright and trademark laws are in need of serious reform and there are some proposed laws such as SOPA that if passed will take us backwards by not only encouraging further abuse of copyright laws but are also a serious threat to the first amendment. Your suggestion in particular that fanworks should be a sort of advisement system sounds very similar to what the concept of "fair use" was originally intended to be that fans could make what would legally be called "derivative works" ie fanart, fanfics, games ect and other uses such as education/commentary so long as they don't profit off of them and credit the creator.

[O.S.U. 33]

I like that you are trying to take some action on this as copyright and trademark laws are in need of serious reform and there are some proposed laws such as SOPA that if passed will take us backwards by not only encouraging further abuse of copyright laws but are also a serious threat to the first amendment. Your suggestion in particular that fanworks should be a sort of advisement system sounds very similar to what the concept of "fair use" was originally intended to be that fans could make what would legally be called "derivative works" ie fanart, fanfics, games ect and other uses such as education/commentary so long as they don't profit off of them and credit the creator.

 

(brohoofed so hard) SOPA and Fair Use noted, i'll look into these and find out as much as i can, THANK YOU!

 

Alright, one last thing before i head to work: Since this doesn't just involve MLP, but all fandoms. I'll need to come up with something that can be shown to other communities and get this as much attention as possible. Good or Bad, attention will build this faster then anything.

 

Anyone have any ideas? Feel free to post here, or send me a message and i'll get back to it later.

[Astral Empyrean 136]

Each of these fine Mares and Gentlecolts make a very good point. A company is not interested in what they create or what their creation creates, such as the Brony Culture. What a company truly cares about is profit, investments, and sales. But Lauren Faust did go against Hasbro for a certain period of time. She was more into the fan data base than most people know. She actually named the background ponys from ideas on forums. She saw on a forum that people started calling that funny eyed pony Derpy... So she named the character Derpy. She also did the same with DJ PoN 3 and Octavia. But as you have noticed.. Since Mrs.Faust stepped down, Hasbro saw an opening to start cracking down on the culture. Because much money can be made out of winning a lawsuit. And more money can be made by halting the production of stuff like PonyKart and Fighting is Magic, because Hasbro can turn around and start making their own versions of these games if they want to. And then they would charge money. Its all about corporate greed Lieutenant OneStepUp. You should change your name to Lt OneStepUp... We could do this rank thing together!

[Scootalove 10,689]

Every mare and gentlecolt here are telling the truth about Hasbro. They care about our money, because that is what puts food on the table and helps each writer in My Little Pony get their weekly paycheck needed to survive in this world. Lauren Faust made a difference on making/helping Hasbro make this show into a worldwide fandom phenomenon. We make all of the art, music, games, everything that makes this fandom stronger every day. Making a change won't matter, unless you have support. Not like we can boycott MLP, but if we stop buying their merchandise and everything that Hasbro produces the change will finish Step 1.

[Astral Empyrean 136]

Every mare and gentlecolt here are telling the truth about Hasbro. They care about our money, because that is what puts food on the table and helps each writer in My Little Pony get their weekly paycheck needed to survive in this world. Lauren Faust made a difference on making/helping Hasbro make this show into a worldwide fandom phenomenon. We make all of the art, music, games, everything that makes this fandom stronger every day. Making a change won't matter, unless you have support. Not like we can boycott MLP, but if we stop buying their merchandise and everything that Hasbro produces the change will finish Step 1.

Bingo Bango Bongo. We has a winner. That was summed up perfectly! And, the topic stayed related to one thing... MONEY, WEALTH, and CORPORATE GREED! By the way... You liking all the attention your thread is getting... Don't you Lieutenant?!?!

Edited February 11, 2013 by -Fleet Admiral Dash-

[Kamil 315]

I think this is a great idea, copyright law is a mess and it does not allow corporations to adequately support their fans without risking massive loss. Obviously corporations will never risk massive loss just to make their fans happy, that's not the way the world works and we should really stop attacking specific corporations that just happen to have that fact displayed more prominently than others. Equestria Daily has a great article about exactly which parts of copyright law caused Fighting is Magic to become a potential monetary risk to Hasbro, and if the author of that article actually knows as much about the subject as he seems to then there isn't any other corporation that would have behaved differently, and there is little hope that Hasbro will change their decision unless laws are changed first.

 

Anyways, if your plan is to actually change a law, then the simplest first step will be https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/. While we already have petitions going to Hasbro, any petition on that site which receives 100,000 signatures MUST be given consideration by the federal government of the United States of America, and an official response must be made when that consideration is done. It doesn't guarantee action, but that is the official channel for enacting some manner of reform without any large scale organization and large budget. You'll need someone else's advice for actually getting people to sign, I've never been good at the message spreading part.

 

As for the specific proposal, I would word it as follows:

 

"Fair Use of copyrighted materials shall be extended to include all derivative works which abide by the following rules:

1. The creator of the derivative work may receive no monetary compensation for the creation or distribution of that work.

2. The creator of the derivative work must explicitly state that they do not own the copyrighted material, and that the derivative work does not reflect the wishes of the copyright holder. This statement must be included with any distribution of the work under control of the work's creator.

3. The derivative work may not act as a direct substitute for any product currently in production or development by the copyright holder."

 

Or something to that effect. Basically, the first two points are what people already think of when they hear "Fair use" even though the current definition actually only says "you are allowed to express your opinion on a product." The third point is intended to make the idea more appealing to corporations, and more importantly close a glaring loophole that would exist otherwise. Specifically, looking only at the first two points you could distribute anything you want for free as long as you tell people you don't own it. Full episodes of the show with the only addition being "Disclaimer: I don't own Hasbro" would become totally legit, and unlike some people on the internet I don't think that's reasonable and don't want that to happen.

 

The result of the proposal as written, and using Hasbro and Fighting is Magic as an example, would be as follows:

1. Fighting is Magic would not need to make a complex legal argument to defend themselves in court. They could show up and cite this law, requiring no lawyers or significant disposable income.

2. Hasbro would not need to worry about Fighting is Magic becoming implicitly licensed, which would harm its standing in the eyes of its core customer base (i.e. parents of young girls). Hasbro not only wouldn't need to do anything, it COULDN'T do anything.

3. While not my favorite implication, Hasbro could later produce it's own My Little Pony fighting game without problem, and after doing so could demand Fighting is Magic be shut down. I don't like it, but it would keep Hasbro happy and when it came to courts there could be an argument as to whether Hasbro's product could truly be a direct substitute.

Basically, the fans get everything they want and the corporations lose nothing.

[decoherence 183]

This is a very ambitious project, OneStepUp and I applaud you for considering taking it on! You're talking about an expansion of fair use which most large rights holders will fight hoof and claw. And trademarks... tough nut to crack. Still, I like the idea, so here are some questions and suggestions that might help flesh things out a bit.

 

1. What form would the 'rights holder advising the fandom' take? Does the rights holder have a legal team watching the fandom and advising them on how to avoid getting in trouble? That is sort of what we have now except there's a lot of room for improvement.

 

Or, does it mean 'open season' on the copyrights, with the rights holder making suggestions but not actually controlling distribution? Or somewhere in between?

 

 

2. Who is it that recognizes the fandom? What specific criteria do they use to determine whether it is indeed a fandom? 1000 fans? 100,000?

 

3. You mention that fan art would have to abide by current law... as I understand it the current law is to judge on a case-by-case basis, whether something qualifies for a fair use exception as fan art -- it's not as simple as just not selling it.

 

4. Even if fans don't make a profit, could having a fandom cost the rights holder revenue in that fewer companies will license the trademark/copyright, or expect to pay less for it? (maybe, but I think in our case they'd be wrong)

 

I think that answering these questions would be a good way forward. The thing is, I think you want to keep the heck away from court rooms -- while it would be great to improve things at that level, I think that fandoms and rights holders can work together much more closely than they do currently and it would likely result (at least in hasbro's case) with us getting more or less exactly what we want. But how would THAT work?

 

What if we wrote a "Charter of Fandom" that laid out what we wanted to be able to do and petitioned Hasbro to sign it? What if Hasbro then became a fan art distributor themselves? Obviously it wouldn't be a free-for-all but pretty much anything that was submitted that wasn't too "off message" would be available, considered a 'donation' to Hasbro from us, if you like. Or even not a donation. Hasbro could sell products based on the fan art (prints, birthday cards, books, anything you can print a picture on) and artists would make a commission, similar to WeLoveFine.

 

In that case, what is the scope of products? Which of videos, comics, pictures, music, fics, 3D models, etc. etc. All of them? What about clothing or games or stickers? Would Hasbro have an agreement with existing licensees like Hot Topic, WeLoveFine or Game Loft to stay out of their respective businesses?

 

If there is enough fan art and enough demand for it, is it worthwhile for Hasbro to take the monetary hit from not renewing licenses and instead sell the fan-made product itself? 

 

Anyway, it's getting late and i'm probably making less and less sense so I'll stop here. Keep it up!

[Cuhpcakes 15]

I don't really understand what you're asking for. You're getting mad because the company doesn't care about you?

 

Why should you care? You don't watch this cartoon to support the company or show your respect, you watch it simply because you like the cartoon.

 

"All they care about is money" well why else would they make a cartoon and turn it completely commercial with toys, clothing and much more.

 

Why are they so commercial? Because they know their fan base is huge and they could make money while making the consumers happy.

 

We live in a commercial soceity, money makes the world go round.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

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What if we wrote a "Charter of Fandom" that laid out what we wanted to be able to do and petitioned Hasbro to sign it? What if Hasbro then became a fan art distributor themselves? Obviously it wouldn't be a free-for-all but pretty much anything that was submitted that wasn't too "off message" would be available, considered a 'donation' to Hasbro from us, if you like. Or even not a donation. Hasbro could sell products based on the fan art (prints, birthday cards, books, anything you can print a picture on) and artists would make a commission, similar to WeLoveFine.

 

Considering what we can get away with now as far as the content of fics and pictures, that would actually be a MORE restrictive deal to make, and shooting ourselves in the foot. 

 

I rather have freedom of creativity than make money. 

 

Now if you just mean we'd still be able to make whatever and post it on whatever sites, and Hasbro just had like a "Hall of Fame" where it displayed the best fan work as a sign of good faith, that could work. 

Edited February 12, 2013 by Shoboni

[Shanks 10,816]

Why are they so commercial? Because they know their fan base is huge and they could make money while making the consumers happy.

It is not so much that companies want to make money that is the problem it is that companies use their influence to make the law in such a way that it favors big corporations at the expense of smaller companies and individuals by deliberately making the rules overly complicated, convoluted and fraught with double standards. And neutering the concept of fair use to the point where you only have real fair use if you have an army of lobbyists and slick lawyers. Making money is one thing but being so short sighted and greedy as to manipulate the system in such an atrocious way is just wrong. Hasbro in and of itself is way more lenient than most companies but I believe they are because they are smart enough to know that it is good business practice to do so.

[O.S.U. 33]

Thank you so much everyone for the support. This really does mean a LOT to me and i hate that i can't be around enough to keep this ball rolling. Luckily i get a day off after tonight and i can really get some stuff checked off my list and get to replying to everyone.

 

Right now my goals are (in order):

- Get a signature going to help get this Mission some more attention on the forum.

 

- Find a good stand alone website to protect MLP forums from any negative attention, if something were to happen, id rather take the damage then anything happen here.

 

- Flush out all the details of the mission.

 

- Come up with a Letter of Intent (or something to that degree) to spread around the net to get the attention of all the fandoms. Its really a LONG shot, but if we dont get support from other communities this mission will fail.

 

 

Obviously this wont happen over night, but if anyone wants to help with Sigs, that would be awesome. I'll make one too on my day off.

[decoherence 183]

Considering what we can get away with now as far as the content of fics and pictures, that would actually be a MORE restrictive deal to make, and shooting ourselves in the foot. 

 

Well, that would be where the charter comes in. The idea I had last night (which was not thought through at all, btw. Just throwing it out there!) was that Hasbro would basically become THE distributor of fan art. Not to the exclusion of any other distribution channel of course. R34, grimdark and other 'off message' things obviously wouldn't end up on Hasbro's site. But if Hasbro created the infrastructure for doing this and basically said 'anything distributed on our site can be considered as having a license,'  why wouldn't we want to distribute through them? Especially if there was a chance to make some dosh!

 

Things distributed outside of Hasbro's site would basically be in the same boat they are in now. As long as they don't tick off Hasbro, they'll be fine. I'm not suggesting Hasbro become the only distributor of fan art, just that they might become the most natural distributor for most fan art.

 

Of course there are problems with the idea, some of which I mentioned in the last post. In particular, how to do this without stepping on the toes of current licensees. Then again, maybe that's not as much a problem as I imagine it to be. I don't know the terms of those licenses.

 

In principal, this might be a way for Hasbro to work more closely with their fandom and possibly make a bit of money as well.

 

Anyway, I'm not going to say much more on that subject. OneStepUp's goal seems to be to solve things on a grander scale, which I totally support, so I'll let that worthy individual set the course of the discussion.

Edited February 12, 2013 by decoherence

[O.S.U. 33]

OK so... made a Sig. Making it was the easy part... but just trying to figure out how to get this posted here without something erroring out on my end was ridiculous.

 

 

Decided to go with Rainbow Dash Theme for this first one, i like it and its something for now. Im planning to simplify and ultimately make one that doesn't just relate to MLP.

 

 

ONTO REPLYING~ (finally) I'll just go down the list. Deco, you come up twice. /)

 

@Chaotic Lightning: Boycotting buying MLP merchandise (even though a large majority of all of it is incredibly inaccurate and terrible) will probably only bring the show to a halt sooner. I don't know for sure, but it would make sense that Hasbro will end production of the show soon. Without Lauren and the sudden advancement in the story of the show, and their already lack of interest in the quality of their products ... they probably already plan to stop the series as soon as they can and move onto something else. Don't take it as truth, but it may be on their list of options. Id rather they find reason to keep with the show. But this is all just assuming and that goes nowhere.

 

 

@Kamil: Good post! Alright, this gives me an idea and some more steps to take (updating my to-do-list). I do want to get the attention of many other fandoms before sending in the petition. The more everyone knows about this mission, the easier it should be to get signatures.

 

I've taken note of your proposal and it'll take root as the foundation we can build on to cover the rest of our intentions! Thank you so much!

 

As far as Hasbro (or any copyrights holder over a fandom) and anything a fandom creates... id rather the fan-made products be labeled as such and left safeguarded against the rights holder demanding it be shut down and withdrawn. If the 'Parent' wants to make a similar product to profit off of, then they can, and should strive to make something better then what the fandom has created (rather then just making some sloppy half-arsed product for the intention of a few bucks). Having more funds and better accessibility to more experienced workers in relative fields, this shouldn't be a difficult task. And on top of that, seeing what fandoms ACTUALLY ENJOY 'should' boost the QUALITY in all of their products and the number of sales. But i guess that's up to them to actually pay attention though *shrugs*

 

 

@decoherence: Tooth, claw, talon, paw, serpent tail and antlers. They'll throw the whole discord at me without realizing my intentions might actually benefit them as well. (lol)

 

1. There are all sorts of ways this could be done.. just trying to type one out without thinking up another is plaguing me right now lol. But for the most part im imagining that a 'Parent' would have to get a new team that works alongside the Legal Team to better advise and insure both parties are in the green. For the Legal team to handle both an entire fandom AND other issues from other sources might be too much, having a new team that works with the fandom (kind of like a Butler, Maid, Nanny, sitter, etc etc) that's there more for the fandom. Getting involved, finding out whats all going on, directly advising on popular issues before something bad comes of it, that sort of stuff. And at the same time, providing valuable information to the 'Parent' so the 'Parent' can do a better job at acknowledging where most of their marketing sales come from.

 

"Sebastian!"

"Yes, Sir?"

"What does Timothy like?"

"Apples, Sir."

"Apples huh? I'll pick some up on the way home. Has he finished his studies?"

"Nose deep in his books as we speak."

"Has he apologized to that girl about the bug incident?"

"Yes sir, shes still quite upset about it."

"I see... well, all will be good in time. Good Job. You may carry on then."

"As always, Sir. Thank you."

 

(that sort of thing =3)

 

 

2. Im sure there are some points that lead to the birth of a fandom that can be followed closely and vaguely. The MLP fandom kind of came out of nowhere, but there were signs. Conventions being the biggest tell-tale sign that a Fandom exists. It'll be important to understand these points a little more to better detail this part of the proposal.

 

As for who... hmm. Not so sure a 'who' can define that. More like a 'what'. 'What' probably being a combination of major birth points of a fandom being noticed by more then just the fans. But then i guess the fandom 'at that point' would have to stand up and claim themselves to be a fandom... well i guess we just answered that then xD

 

When the key birth points are figured out, we'll add to the proposal that the 'fandom' by this point will need to make a legal claim to their existence to receive defensive rights. I imagine they'd have to send in some kind of paperwork to the legal department of whichever 'Parent' governs their fandom, then a investigation on this matter would have to take place to make sure enough of the 'key points' are valid.

 

 

3. i worded that poorly lol (warning this wont be much better). Basically, as a fan under the 'Parenting Act' you can create anything related to your fandom without it be illegal, but if the product contains any canon material, it cannot draw profit and proper declaration of the copyrighted ownership of said material must be included with the work in every way its distributed. Otherwise it will be considered an infringement, and is subject to be treated as such.

 

For example, if you draw Super Mario eating a sammich at a Star Bucks.. you'd have to make sure you give Nintendo and Starbucks their credit somehow.

 

 

4. If the 'Parenting Act' works out for the better, then the value should go up. It all depends on how well its executed, and how well both parties work to benefit each other.

 

Im assuming this would lead to a means of how a Fandom would have its 'defense' rebuked. For example: We would have to maintain a progressive relationship with Hasbro to help them maintain new 'canon' material for MLP. In other words: In return for being able to use their material, we would have to actively support their market and keep them afloat. If Hasbro show's more loss, then that could risk a rebuke. It would all depend on what exactly happens though that causes the loss, however.

 

Say if Hasbro is having hard times for other reasons, they could sell their rights to a new 'Parent or Guardian' and that new holder would take over.

 

But anyway, as far as distribution of fan made material for profit goes, this could still be worked out to remain the way it is now. There would just be new paperwork to sign and a few new methods to consider. I don't see this being to much of a problem. (i could be wrong xD)

 

Figuring out a proper solution to just how it would all work out would probably be a conclusion that the 'Parent' and the third party licensees would have to come to afterwards. 'If' this mission is successful.

 

All these questions are GREAT!

Best way to cover all the details is by finding a problem, even the small problems, and debating them and coming up with a solution.

 

The possibilities that can come from this mission are endless really, there's no telling just how the future will be if this works out.

 

 

@Cuhpcakes: (Get Ready) If money made the world go round, why are we all in so much debt? Money doesn't make the world go round.. our appetites do. If we didn't want or need anything, we wouldn't strive for anything and nothing would change. Money would have no value and be meaningless. Just like guns being perfectly harmless till someone picks one up and pulls the trigger. (or pistol whips with it)

 

Its all about the source, if you don't address the source correctly then you'll always have to deal with the problems that come from it. The troublesome part is identifying the source. Tricky stuff, just go ask any programmer.

 

 

@Shoboni: If Hasbro had its own 'Refrigerator Art' sort of thing, that would be so awesome. Like, at the end of shows where the credits are rolling, they could show off some fan art that won a weekly contest.

 

 

@decoherence: Actually, if we distributed fanart through Hasbro, they could most certainly make some profit off it too. This would definitely be a plus side in supporting them! And they wouldn't even have to make the product!!

 

Yes my goal is to solve things where the source is, but there is NOTHING wrong with looking to the future. Any good decision is made with the past, present, AND future in mind.

 

 

Final Thoughts on this post

 

OMG LOOK AT THE TIME! QQ

I'll have to update the OP some more later...

 

p.s. Making Applejacks Sig next. Nite everyone!

Edited February 13, 2013 by Lt OneStepUp

[Archi the Atmomancer 564]

Sounds like a wonderful ideam although I'm not sure if it's really feasible. I mean, we're "just people" as it were so I'm not really sure what chance we'd have of success.

 

You have my support anyways.

[O.S.U. 33]

Sounds like a wonderful ideam although I'm not sure if it's really feasible. I mean, we're "just people" as it were so I'm not really sure what chance we'd have of success.

 

You have my support anyways.

 

Yes we are 'just people' and were capable of quite a lot more then were given credit for.

 

Its really hard to imagine just how much a difference just one person can make, or how much a small group of people can make. Whenever you think of anything amazing or grand, you imagine a full scale effort of many many people working together and lots of money. But what most people don't think of is that none of that would have ever happened if someone didn't dream about it first.

 

If you want to think about it mathematically: If 1 = 0, then 1 + 1 would never equal 2. 2 would never become 3. 1,000,000,000,000 would have as much value as 0. Without 1 we would only have 0.

 

Understanding that, do you see how valuable everyone can really be?

 

Anywho, im off to work. *in Jonathan Goldsmith voice* Flutter on my friends.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Seeing you know what you're talking about, you have my blessing in the matter. If you want to go out and try and make the world a better place, I'm going to stop you. Hell, you might even pull it off. 

 

So Godspeed, my friend. 

[Fridge 382]

Hasbro is a company, they don't care about us. They only care about our money.

 

It's nothing personal, it's just business. You can't pay bills with kindness. Kindness isn't going to put food on the table. Kindness isn't going to pay their bills. Kindness isn't going to make stockholders and employees happy. Money will. They will do what makes them money. Just like any other business. That's how they work.

 

The best way to support MLP is to stop buying all of those crappy toys Hasbro makes, stop illegally downloading MLP, stop watching it on Youtube and not on the Hub, and buy the DVD's. I know, the Hub has commercials, Youtube doesn't. I know, Youtube doesn't force you to wake up at 10 am. I know, DVD's cost money. I know, the DVD's aren't in HD, but is supporting the show worth the inconvenience? I think so.

I'd be willing except for the fact that if it isn't on YouTube or some other site, I can't watch it. The Hub, like many american tv websites won't allow me to watch the show because I'm not in the region. The show isn't broadcast here and the DVDs are only available in your region setting meaning after I pay the insanely expensive shipping I still can't watch them. Before anyone suggests watching the live streams that would require me staying up very, very, very late or getting up very, very early.

 

Basically those of us not in the states need sites like YouTube etc to have the episodes on... Or for hub to make it so anyone from any region can watch the show on their site.

 

I've done what I could to support it otherwise. I buy the blind bags and a few of the toys, but currently it's all I can do.

[Commander Urdnot 2,680]

I'd be willing except for the fact that if it isn't on YouTube or some other site, I can't watch it. The Hub, like many american tv websites won't allow me to watch the show because I'm not in the region. The show isn't broadcast here and the DVDs are only available in your region setting meaning after I pay the insanely expensive shipping I still can't watch them. Before anyone suggests watching the live streams that would require me staying up very, very, very late or getting up very, very early.

 

Basically those of us not in the states need sites like YouTube etc to have the episodes on... Or for hub to make it so anyone from any region can watch the show on their site.

 

I've done what I could to support it otherwise. I buy the blind bags and a few of the toys, but currently it's all I can do.

Buying the toys and not the DVD's is hurting your cause. Even if you don't have access to the DVD's, buying the crappy toys gets them money. They will do what gets them money.

 

If you can't access the Hub, or the DVD's. (Which I find hard to believe because there's multiple different MLP language dubs) Then try to download it off of iTunes.

Edited February 14, 2013 by UrdiePie

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Buying the toys and not the DVD's is hurting your cause. Even if you don't have access to the DVD's, buying the crappy toys gets them money. They will do what gets them money.

 

If you can't access the Hub, or the DVD's. (Which I find hard to believe because there's multiple different MLP language dubs) Then try to download it off of iTunes.

Yes, because shelling out roughly $72 a season is sending a good message about not taking in bullshit from them, and showing them we won't feed their greed. 

[Commander Urdnot 2,680]

Yes, because shelling out roughly $72 a season is sending a good message about not taking in bullshit from them, and showing them we won't feed their greed. 

Shelling out $72 dollars for the DVD's/iTunes files is showing them that you will spend money on the show.

 

Shelling out $72 dollars for shitty toys is showing them that you will spend money on their shitty toys.

 

They will do whatever makes them money. If you want to see more MLP, then buy the episodes. If you want to see more shitty toys, then by all means buy the shitty toys.

[Fridge 382]

Buying the toys and not the DVD's is hurting your cause. Even if you don't have access to the DVD's, buying the crappy toys gets them money. They will do what gets them money.

 

If you can't access the Hub, or the DVD's. (Which I find hard to believe because there's multiple different MLP language dubs) Then try to download it off of iTunes.

Meh I don't mind the toys so much, so it's a none issue to me.

As for the DVD, it isn't sold here. Believe me, I've looked. I can only buy American DVDs, I'm sure once they show it here, they'll pop up and I'll buy them then. But in the mean time no can do.

 

So download some bloatware so I can buy a cartoon that I should be able to watch for free on their site? Also then we get into the fact that I would not own the said cartoon episode, but be leasing it.

 

Ok in the time it took me to write this response I just used iTunes on my gf's laptop and MLP: FiM isn't available in this country for me to download.

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Meh I don't mind the toys so much, so it's a none issue to me.

As for the DVD, it isn't sold here. Believe me, I've looked. I can only buy American DVDs, I'm sure once they show it here, they'll pop up and I'll buy them then. But in the mean time no can do.

 

So download some bloatware so I can buy a cartoon that I should be able to watch for free on their site? Also then we get into the fact that I would not own the said cartoon episode, but be leasing it.

 

Ok in the time it took me to write this response I just used iTunes on my gf's laptop and MLP: FiM isn't available in this country for me to download.

It's not an issue to you, because you don't understand how businesses and economics work, and you're not willing to learn. I am going to stop replying to this thread now, as it appears to be wasting my time.

Edited February 14, 2013 by UrdiePie