Why does everyone think it's "cool" to hate Skrillex?

[Soundgarden 2,758]

I don't like Skrillex, either. Not because I'm jumping on a mindless hate bandwagon, but because dubstep (or whatever subgenre of electronica he's actually a part of, according to some o' you purists) is nothing more than a musical joke to me.

 

Let me explain. Make no mistake that I DO understand why people like it, and this is not to be taken as a criticism of the musical tastes of those who do enjoy it.

 

But the elitist in me cannot respect electronica artists as actual "musicians" since almost nothing they make contains actual recordings, only prerendered samples and beat loops that are arranged and manipulated with the click of a mouse. I'm sorry, but any way you look at it, even the most trite of poppy soft rock bands have more talent in them than most electronica composers, if for no other reason than the fact that they actually record live acoustics (let alone have the skill to learn how to play an instrument or sing in the first place).

 

I'm not saying they don't have to go through a grueling mixing and mastering process of their own; that does take some skill, at least...assuming they don't just have a producer do all that for them. But the fact that every beat, every pitch, everything is so perfect and devoid of any human error...well, it removes the distinctly human aspect of the music almost entirely.

 

And the fact that people like Skrillex go on "tours" is another total joke. What, so he can sit behind a DJ station and occasionally throw a hand gesture of minimal acknowledgement to a fan? Motherbucker, REAL performers talk to their audiences, toss 'em beers, get them pumped up, high-five fans, throw picks and drumsticks and miscellaneous merch out into the crowd.

 

So, you asked why people hate Skrillex, and got a rant from a hater of all dubstep/brostep/whatever music. But what can ya do but enjoy what you enjoy, right? Isn't the bottom line - the 'low line' if you will - that at the end of the day, who really cares if someone hates what you love? All that matters is you like it. Hell, the fact that we're all on a brony forum means that's a message we can all agree with...

 

Just to do small corrections: Pretty much all electronic music is made with instruments, mostly synths. Making Dubstep actually requires some understanding in music, distorting the bass into the wub effects (wobble bass) is not that easy.

 

And errors can be made just like with bands with "real instruments". Playing live in electronic music is an art in itself, trust me, a lot can go wrong when DJ'ing.

 

Otherwise, you have strong points, I tip my hat off to you

[Yamato 1,348]

 

 

REAL performers talk to their audiences, toss 'em beers, get them pumped up, high-five fans, throw picks and drumsticks and miscellaneous merch out into the crowd.

 

And smash guitars and shtuff...

The sheer "performance" can sometimes be the best part of a live performance.

Then again, so can crowd participation...  GIMME AN "F", GIMME A "U"... 

[DusK 1,264]

I'm sorry, but any way you look at it, even the most trite of poppy soft rock bands have more talent in them than most electronica composers, if for no other reason than the fact that they actually record live acoustics (let alone have the skill to learn how to play an instrument or sing in the first place).

 

This is incorrect. Good music composition and production takes significantly more talent than three-chorders and terrible singers.

 

Good electronica applies the highest sciences of music production and music composition, two areas that far too many rock musicians decide to not even bother with. Electronica requires extensive knowledge of music theory and a thorough understanding of all aspects of digital music to do effectively.

 

No "poppy soft rock band" has more talent than any decent electronica musician if you factor those key aspects in.

[Thrashy 2,800]

Just to do small corrections: Pretty much all electronic music is made with instruments, mostly synths. Making Dubstep actually requires some understanding in music, distorting the bass into the wub effects (wobble bass) is not that easy.

 

And errors can be made just like with bands with "real instruments". Playing live in electronic music is an art in itself, trust me, a lot can go wrong when DJ'ing.

 

Otherwise, you have strong points, I tip my hat off to you

I'll concede, there probably is a great deal of analysis that goes into getting the right "wub" sound, so to speak, and I'm sure composers do need to know at least some music theory. Admittedly, though, I'm still a little skeptical about them using synth instruments like keyboards, given the ease with which they could achieve the same effects through the use of midi sequencing.

 

I will say, though, if someone like Skrillex were to actually play all the main synth lines on a keyboard during his live shows, my respect for them would skyrocket.

 

 

This is incorrect. Good music composition and production takes significantly more talent than three-chorders and terrible singers.

 

Good electronica applies the highest sciences of music production and music composition, two areas that far too many rock musicians decide to not even bother with. Electronica requires extensive knowledge of music theory and a thorough understanding of all aspects of digital music to do effectively.

 

No "poppy soft rock band" has more talent than any decent electronica musician if you factor those key aspects in.

No, sir, that is not "incorrect," it is an opinion, and I'll thank you to respect it as such, even if you don't personally agree with it.

[DusK 1,264]

No, sir, that is not "incorrect," it is an opinion, and I'll thank you to respect it as such, even if you don't personally agree with it.

 

Opinions regard matters that are subjective. You're referring to a topic that isn't. Learning and applying everything necessary to make electronica takes significantly more talent and skill on the part of the musician than learning a power chord a choosing a few they think would go together. That's not an opinion; there's nothing subjective about that statement. It's an undeniable, objective fact.

 

Furthermore, there is no disrespect in my post. Correcting you =/= disrespecting.

Edited May 10, 2013 by DusK

[Thrashy 2,800]

Opinions regard matters that are subjective. You're referring to a topic that isn't.

I don't know what to think of this statement, given that the "mission statement" of this thread, so to speak, is to find out why so many people hate Skrillex. Such a question necessarily prompts the posting of opinions, sir - purely subjective opinions as to why people hate Skrillex. I simply felt the need to extend my reasons for disliking the electronica artist in question to electronica artists at large. If you don't agree with my merited subjective opinion, you are free not to.

Edited May 10, 2013 by Lowline

[fimdash 1,196]

Yeah, I've noticed Skrillex has gotten some haters over the years. I think the reason for that is because he's one of the biggest names in the dubstep genre, so people automatically think Skrillex when they think dubstep. Dubstep is a pretty sweet genre imo, but it has its haters, and therefore the reason for some of the Skrillex hate. I personally think Skrillex is awesome. He seems like a really chill guy, and he has some sweet tunes.

Edited May 10, 2013 by fimdash

[MeanBlackHawk 147]

People just don't want to be caught listening to the new stuff that everybody listens to.  It's kinda how people compare Pewdiepie to all Let's Plays.  When something that isn't that big gets popular to the point where people who do not know the person but know OF that person, it gets like that as backlash because it's too mainstream.  Kids these days wanna be apart of the in-crowd so they start comparing crap to other crap, if that makes sense more or less...

[Gay Bird 421]

people think it's cool to hate skrillex? Well I haven't been keeping up. I don't generally like most of his dubstep, but he does make some great stuff now and again.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

I personally dislike Skrillex, because of the fact of how most of his songs sound bland, generic, ear shattering, and he only has his signature growl bass style to back him up, which to me sounds like nails being hammered into my ears. There are some old school Skrillex songs that I don't mind like Slats Slats Slats and No Mercy, Only Violence which I thought were okay songs. Though I will not judge further than that since my ears are more used to IDM, Ambient, and Trip-Hop music.

 

 

 

People just don't want to be caught listening to the new stuff that everybody listens to.  It's kinda how people compare Pewdiepie to all Let's Plays.  When something that isn't that big gets popular to the point where people who do not know the person but know OF that person, it gets like that as backlash because it's too mainstream.  Kids these days wanna be apart of the in-crowd so they start comparing crap to other crap, if that makes sense more or less...

 

Or maybe the people who dislike him, just don't have a taste for his music. Skrillex's style is a preferred taste that many people don't have.

[caramba2654 602]

I don't like Skrillex, either. Not because I'm jumping on a mindless hate bandwagon, but because dubstep (or whatever subgenre of electronica he's actually a part of, according to some o' you purists) is nothing more than a musical joke to me.

 

Let me explain. Make no mistake that I DO understand why people like it, and this is not to be taken as a criticism of the musical tastes of those who do enjoy it.

 

But the elitist in me cannot respect electronica artists as actual "musicians" since almost nothing they make contains actual recordings, only prerendered samples and beat loops that are arranged and manipulated with the click of a mouse. I'm sorry, but any way you look at it, even the most trite of poppy soft rock bands have more talent in them than most electronica composers, if for no other reason than the fact that they actually record live acoustics (let alone have the skill to learn how to play an instrument or sing in the first place).

 

I'm not saying they don't have to go through a grueling mixing and mastering process of their own; that does take some skill, at least...assuming they don't just have a producer do all that for them. But the fact that every beat, every pitch, everything is so perfect and devoid of any human error...well, it removes the distinctly human aspect of the music almost entirely.

 

And the fact that people like Skrillex go on "tours" is another total joke. What, so he can sit behind a DJ station and occasionally throw a hand gesture of minimal acknowledgement to a fan? Motherbucker, REAL performers talk to their audiences, toss 'em beers, get them pumped up, high-five fans, throw picks and drumsticks and miscellaneous merch out into the crowd.

 

So, you asked why people hate Skrillex, and got a rant from a hater of all dubstep/brostep/whatever music. But what can ya do but enjoy what you enjoy, right? Isn't the bottom line - the 'low line' if you will - that at the end of the day, who really cares if someone hates what you love? All that matters is you like it. Hell, the fact that we're all on a brony forum means that's a message we can all agree with...

 

 

Wait wait wait wait. Do not get things mixed up. Different instruments and song genres require different attitudes at shows. DJs can't go walking around the stage, besides that not all songs are "headbangable".

 

Also, what would you say about this DJ? He has skills, and a beyond human aspect, from what I can tell from your post.

 

Edited May 10, 2013 by caramba2654

[Betez 1,734]

I'm not a fan of Dubstep, Skrillex or not.

 

I feel like yes, Sonny Moore is talented, I just feel like Dubstep is not one of his talents. His songs to me feel like he just threw random sounds together without thinking at all about the structure of the song.

 

I just don't really like Dubstep in general. People are allowed to like what they want, but I feel like they should be able to say why they like it.

 

Here's why I don't like Skrillex.

 

1. I feel like he doesn't put thought into his songs. It sounds to me like he just throws random noises together, and calls it done.

 

2. I don't like the way he structures his songs. I will admit. I do like the beginnings of his songs. But he doesn't really know how to build it up. He'll start with the intro, and then immediately he'll drop the bass. Maybe this is how all Dubstep songs are, but I'm not real fond of it.

 

 

Now, I don't hate Skrillex, I'm just not into Dubstep. People who absolutely hate Skrillex and can't explain why are annoying though.

[DusK 1,264]

You aren't looking at it the right way, man. Damn near EVERYTHING to do with music is an opinion.

What you're saying in that statement is that definitively good or definitively bad music doesn't exist. In the context of what I was originally correcting Lowline on (application of talent), your statement implies that talent is subjective as well. That simply isn't true. If it were, music theory wouldn't even be a thing, nor production standards. The perfect fifth, well-rounded soundscapes, time signatures, key, dynamic compression, stereo implementation... the list goes on almost forever, but what you're saying is that it's impossible to implement any of those aspects properly in music, while also claiming that all music is guaranteed to implement all of those aspects properly in music.

 

Music being entirely subjective is just something passive listeners or bad musicians unwilling to grow say. There are definitely objective factors that go into music, especially in recorded music, and those are what I was talking about. When you're an active listener, especially one that's experienced in its creation to the extent that someone like me is, the objective aspects of music become more obvious, and you fully understand that most aspects of music can be rationally defined objectively. There is an overlap in terms of personal taste, sure, but the objectivity remains.

 

And this isn't just true with music; it's true with all art. A crayon drawing and a rendition by a trained artist of an image based on the same subject matter are going to have objective, identifiable differences in quality and the talent it took to create each piece. A story lacking in proper grammar and many of the aspects that define good creative writing will be objectively worse than the same story told by a writer who's more well-versed and educated in creative writing and has a firm grasp on proper grammar. Music is the same way; it all depends on the artist and his ability to compose and produce, with no genre requiring more actual talent than another.

 

Like I said, if Lowline had stuck to "I don't like it", that would have constituted an opinion. That would have been the end of it. But he didn't stop there, and instead attempted to make a claim that the ability to play live instruments takes more talent that electronica composition because he holds a narrow-minded (albeit common, at least among passive listeners) definition of what can and can't constitute talent. In his mind, he has redefined talent to a definition that differs from reality's. Also not uncommon; in fact, most listeners do this, because the vast majority of listeners are passive listeners. But it doesn't make it correct, and if he ever intends to go anywhere in music production, he'll re-teach himself about these things so that he's not incorrect in the future while he's working on his music.

 

Look, it's cool that you're so attached to the tight scope of music that you enjoy, but by no means is anything that falls outside of that actually inferior. I don't like blues, I actually really dislike it, but you're not about to see me jumping into blues threads calling it "nothing more than a musical joke" simply because it lacks some particular aspect of it that defines the kind of music I enjoy to the point where it ends up redefining "talent" in my mind. If I came in here and said blues is bad simply because it lacks a systematic, structured, non-improvisational foundation and is missing a distinct element of high energy, and also proceeded to claim that because of their ability to maintain their ability to play an instrument while simultaneously going absolutely nuts on-stage means that metal guitarists have more talent than most blues artists, I would be wrong.

 

Actually, on that note, I actually dislike electronica quite a bit as well, at least most contemporary versions of it. Try reading that sentence, and put it into perspective in terms of how it would relate to the other posts I've made in this thread regarding how much talent it requires to make. The ability to separate personal taste from objective analysis is the #1 factor that makes a good judge of music.

 

As it pertains to this thread, the inability to separate subjectivity from objectivity in music that I just spent a few posts describing contributes probably the most to the rampant Skrillex hate.

 

TL;DR: Skrillex is good, dubstep as a genre is good and like all genres its effectiveness as music depends entirely on the abilities of the musician, and if you don't get that, you lack the ability to separate what makes music objectively good from your own individual subjective tastes.

Edited May 10, 2013 by DusK

[Freewave 1,145]

I don't like Skrillex, either. Not because I'm jumping on a mindless hate bandwagon, but because dubstep (or whatever subgenre of electronica he's actually a part of, according to some o' you purists) is nothing more than a musical joke to me.

 

Let me explain. Make no mistake that I DO understand why people like it, and this is not to be taken as a criticism of the musical tastes of those who do enjoy it.

 

But the elitist in me cannot respect electronica artists as actual "musicians" since almost nothing they make contains actual recordings, only prerendered samples and beat loops that are arranged and manipulated with the click of a mouse. I'm sorry, but any way you look at it, even the most trite of poppy soft rock bands have more talent in them than most electronica composers, if for no other reason than the fact that they actually record live acoustics (let alone have the skill to learn how to play an instrument or sing in the first place).

 

I'm not saying they don't have to go through a grueling mixing and mastering process of their own; that does take some skill, at least...assuming they don't just have a producer do all that for them. But the fact that every beat, every pitch, everything is so perfect and devoid of any human error...well, it removes the distinctly human aspect of the music almost entirely.

 

And the fact that people like Skrillex go on "tours" is another total joke. What, so he can sit behind a DJ station and occasionally throw a hand gesture of minimal acknowledgement to a fan? Motherbucker, REAL performers talk to their audiences, toss 'em beers, get them pumped up, high-five fans, throw picks and drumsticks and miscellaneous merch out into the crowd.

 

So, you asked why people hate Skrillex, and got a rant from a hater of all dubstep/brostep/whatever music. But what can ya do but enjoy what you enjoy, right? Isn't the bottom line - the 'low line' if you will - that at the end of the day, who really cares if someone hates what you love? All that matters is you like it. Hell, the fact that we're all on a brony forum means that's a message we can all agree with...

 

 

 

Ok why does not liking Skrillex have to turn into an "electronic music sucks" rant? I'm with you that it's different and a lot of it can be planned and prepped beforehand, have shortcuts involved, and its hard to make it exciting and off the cuff live but it's simply a different kind of music. To say that making it doesn't make you a musician is simply an awful attitude to have. I mean wtf? Seriously??

 

 

 

 

 

Quote: Dusk:

Opinions regard matters that are subjective. You're referring to a topic that isn't. Learning and applying everything necessary to make electronica takes significantly more talent and skill on the part of the musician than learning a power chord a choosing a few they think would go together. That's not an opinion; there's nothing subjective about that statement. It's an undeniable, objective fact. Furthermore, there is no disrespect in my post. Correcting you =/= disrespecting.

 

 

 

And this is correcting someone making an opinion but saying your correction is a "fact"?....c'mon let's argue a little more intelligently here. Saying that some music is better then another is just opinion and is subjective too and it destroys your argument when you by into such hypocrisy while trying to correct some poor arguments.

 

 

Music is music, I don't expect that many people would like every genre but that doesn't mean that it would suck if they dont like it (that is a subjective opionion) or that there's not skill involved in making ANY kind of music. Electronic or acoustic there's a fair amount of work, skill, and knowledge involved to make quality and if you discount that diversity in approaches well you're doing your ears and your mind a disservice.

 

Again nothing new here, old arguments. 

Edited May 10, 2013 by Freewave

[Hansel 1,512]

I have little to no interest of getting involved in this "debate". I'll just quickly point out that whilst I'm not much of a Dubstep fan, I actually find some Brostep and Glitchstep fun to listen to. Skrillex has a few pieces I like, and a lot that I don't.

 

Anyway, this is why I'm posting:

 

 

But the elitist in me cannot respect electronica artists as actual "musicians" since almost nothing they make contains actual recordings, only prerendered samples and beat loops that are arranged and manipulated with the click of a mouse. I'm sorry, but any way you look at it, even the most trite of poppy soft rock bands have more talent in them than most electronica composers, if for no other reason than the fact that they actually record live acoustics (let alone have the skill to learn how to play an instrument or sing in the first place).

   

 

I really feel the need to say something, but I hope you don't take this personally.

 

I'm far from a professional musician, I do it in my spare time in between my art and animation, and I've only been dabbling in music in one form or another for about 7 years.

However, I cannot express how frustrating it is when someone says that electronic music production requires little or no talent. I've always had respect for electronic artists, as well as musical artists who use instruments, but since I started looking into electronic music production about a year ago (on-and-off, anyway. I haven't been doing a great deal of music these last 3 years due to my studies), I'v had even more respect for them. From my experience, learning a good piece of DAW isn't a great deal different from learning guitar, or piano, or any other instrument I've dabbled in. It's easy to make a melody, or a beat... making a good melody (or beat) is an entirely different thing. Putting an entire song together is even more difficult. It's hard, and like with any instrument, it takes talent, and a lot of practice. Understanding a bit about music theory also helps a lot. I recently found an interesting

 that puts this into words better then I can.

 

 

I'm not saying they don't have to go through a grueling mixing and mastering process of their own; that does take some skill, at least...assuming they don't just have a producer do all that for them. But the fact that every beat, every pitch, everything is so perfect and devoid of any human error...well, it removes the distinctly human aspect of the music almost entirely.

 

 

You do realise that most non-electronic forms of music are recorded and re-recorded in so many tiny segments, and are edited and played about with so much in DAWs, that it doesn't really make it all too different from electronic music? In fact, a lot of electronic music is created with keyboards plugged into a computer via Midi wires. One of my favorite Futurpop acts (

) use keys, guitar, bass, and a drumkit... so it really isn't much different. And, whilst the vocalist in mind.in.a.box uses a vocorder, he actually has a fantastic singing voice.

 

Anyway, I apologies if I came off a bit harsh, it's hard to communicate emotion properly through an online forum. I wasn't having a go at you personally. 

Edited May 10, 2013 by Hansel

[DusK 1,264]

And this is correcting someone making an opinion but saying your correction is a "fact"?....c'mon let's argue a little more intelligently here. Saying that some music is better then another is just opinion and is subjective too and it destroys your argument when you by into such hypocrisy while trying to correct some poor arguments.

There was nothing incorrect about my statement. Picking up a guitar, learning a powerchord, and stringing a few together takes less than a day, and literally anyone with functional arms can do it (I should know, I'm not all that great at guitar but I had that much down in less than an hour on my first day at 15 years old). Learning everything required to make a good electronica track usually takes years, and sometimes ends up beyond the capabilities of some who just lack the natural aptitude for music composition.

[Prince Umbra 45]

That is new. I've never heard of people hating Skrillex cuz its cool... If they do..... then they are complete idiots. Skrillex is an awesome artist. I listened to the song "Kill Everybody" by Skrillex 500 times (my mom thinks I need help. lol I probably do) >: ).

[Zygen 6,066]

Eh I don't have a reason to hate it, because honestly I hardly ever listen to any electronic music, therefore I never listen to him.

I guess some people just don't like him, everyone has their own opinions, some may just not like Dubstep at all really.

 

Idk I don't really know anything about dubstep.

[Mzukiller 233]

The same reason why it was "cool" to hate Bieber for all these years. IMO, there are much more important things to rage at than bad muscians.

[Thrashy 2,800]

You didn't only say "I don't like them". If you had left it at that, yes, that post would have been purely you voicing an opinion.

 

You took it further though, and attempted to claim that they have less talent compared live instrument musicians. That's not subjective, it's not an opinion, it refers to a topic rooted in objectivity, it's an incorrect statement/viewpoint, and that's what I corrected you on.

I sincerely hope I'm not translating this incorrectly, but it seems to me that what you're saying is that I need to state, in plain text, that every opinion I state is...well, an opinion? Because if everyone who ever expressed an opinion on these forums needed to put a disclaimer in their posts, e.g. "The following statements are the poster's own opinion and are not to be taken as a presentment of fact," then I know a LOT of posts that need to be edited...and that's not just counting this thread.

 

And as for subjectivity vs. objectivity, I do not think these words mean what you think they mean, sir. In fact - not opinion - you seem to have the definitions totally reversed, if I am correctly interpreting your posts:

 

Subjectivity dictates a biased, necessarily opinionated look at something based on personal suppositions and anecdotal evidence, thus making my thoughts on the matter purely subjective. And although you are free to argue against my claims (I don't necessarily disagree with your arguments, by the way), I'll not necessarily heed them as fact either, unless you can present valid evidence to debunk them.

 

Objectivity, on the other hand, calls for a purely logical, scientific approach to a topic based on empirical observation. Although you are free to take a calculated, scientific approach as to why you think people do/should/shouldn't hate Skrillex (or, in my case, electronica in general), that's not what exactly what I was going for, in case I may have said something in my post to make you think otherwise. Was it the conviction in my tone? I may have conviction in my belief that electronica takes less time and effort to produce than traditional music - a view that I freely admit is unfounded - but that does not necessarily mean that I hold it as completely infallible. Post a video detailing the process of producing an electronica song, and you might just sway me.

[Tia Is Best Pony 310]

simple simple simple. people want to go against the grain and be different skrillex is popular so its different to say he sucks 

[Cocodrillo 1,565]

Wait, it's cool?

 

Personally, I don't like Skrillex because all he ever does is dropping the bass, he shown it to the kids who started screaming "OMG I LOVE DUBSTEP"when the true is: lol nope you like Scary monsters and nice sprites, while the true great artists are still unknown. And his music is not even Dubstep.

And actually, he is not even somehow specially talented.

[Soundgarden 2,758]

simple simple simple. people want to go against the grain and be different skrillex is popular so its different to say he sucks 

 

This bugs me to no end, nobody in the Dubstep community hates Skrillex because he is mainstream. Skream have reached commercial success, yet he remains one of the most popular and loved Dubstep producer of all time. The biggest reason is that Skrillex ruined the genre, according to many

[Thrashy 2,800]

I have little to no interest of getting involved in this "debate". I'll just quickly point out that whilst I'm not much of a Dubstep fan, I actually find some Brostep and Glitchstep fun to listen to. Skrillex has a few pieces I like, and a lot that I don't.

 

Anyway, this is why I'm posting:

 

 

 

I really feel the need to say something, but I hope you don't take this personally.

 

I'm far from a professional musician, I do it in my spare time in between my art and animation, and I've only been dabbling in music in one form or another for about 7 years.

However, I cannot express how frustrating it is when someone says that electronic music production requires little or no talent. I've always had respect for electronic artists, as well as musical artists who use instruments, but since I started looking into electronic music production about a year ago (on-and-off, anyway. I haven't been doing a great deal of music these last 3 years due to my studies), I'v had even more respect for them. From my experience, learning a good piece of DAW isn't a great deal different from learning guitar, or piano, or any other instrument I've dabbled in. It's easy to make a melody, or a beat... making a good melody (or beat) is an entirely different thing. Putting an entire song together is even more difficult. It's hard, and like with any instrument, it takes talent, and a lot of practice. Understanding a bit about music theory also helps a lot. I recently found an interesting

 that puts this into words better then I can.

 

 

You do realise that most non-electronic forms of music are recorded and re-recorded in so many tiny segments, and are edited and played about with so much in DAWs, that it doesn't really make it all too different from electronic music? In fact, a lot of electronic music is created with keyboards plugged into a computer via Midi wires. One of my favorite Futurpop acts (

) use keys, guitar, bass, and a drumkit... so it really isn't much different. And, whilst the vocalist in mind.in.a.box uses a vocorder, he actually has a fantastic singing voice.

 

Anyway, I apologies if I came off a bit harsh, it's hard to communicate emotion properly through an online forum. I wasn't having a go at you personally. 

I do understand your frustration with my statement, but realize that it's based off the supposition of...well, exactly what you said - anyone can create a beat/melody etc. You see, while it's generally true that it takes real talent to make a good beat/melody, that doesn't account for all the talentless hacks in the world who basically "get lucky" by haphazardly plopping down notes that just happen to sound good. Also, as I addressed to someone else, I realize that many artists may in fact use actual keyboards to record their stuff. But again, this is not always the case, as anyone can synthesize something in a midi sequencer, import it into FL Studio, assign the appropriate soundfonts to it and then simply claim to have recorded it. It's just a hard thing to tell when you're dealing with synth, and those who do actually record, I actually have respect for.

Edited May 10, 2013 by Lowline

[Moonlight 7,286]

I listen to dubstep quite a lot. I haven't heard Skrillex yet, but even if I don't like him, I won't hate on him. It's kinda stupid how people find a certain artist and decide to do a massive hate spree against them.