Why do some bronies seem to hate Princess Celestia?

[Invincible 2,091]

I have not exactly noticed that? Sure there's the whole trollestia / molestia thing going around (let's not get into that), but i think those were mostly jokes played by people, not expressions of outright hate. I don't dislike Celestia, myself.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

I dislike that she always seems to send someone else to do her dirty work but i don't hate her. In fact i hate that the fans depict her and Luna as Pony Goddesses of Uber Special Awesome power and then suddenly they get beat by vines and Chrysalis...

[Celli 4,338]

Luna is cool and all, but Celestia definitely deserves a lot more appreciation than she gets. I would also like the show to give her more character development. 

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

In my opinion it's only Celestia's guilty of making Luna transforming into Nightmare Moon. In the show we have got only a fragment, where Luna decided to rebel. But we don't know what was earlier. And I think that Celestia was just a bad sister. Luna was coming jealous of gratitude from the citizens and depressed because of being ignored by ponies. If Celestia had notice all of this in time and made her best to help her sister, Princess of the Night would never transform into NM.

That's garbage logic. That's like saying "It's Mufasa's fault that Scar killed him, he should have seen that he was an evil prick before hand" or saying "The Mane 6 losing their magic is Fluttershy's fault, she should have known Discord was using her"

 

 

Also I don't like Celestia, because of the day. There is so hot, so stuffy... CELESTIA GO AWAY, I want the cold night or at least the cold day ;_;

You'd love the polar ice caps then. Half of the year it's night, other half it's day

 

 

I hate Celestia, she is the worst princess of them all. Luna is bad too, but she never sends the Mane 6 to do things for her and she also doesn't troll her subjects.

Trolling means to do something with intent of pissing someone off. Celestia has never done that. She has joked with her subjects, not trolled them.

 

And while Celestia sends the Mane 6 to do things, it's because she usually can't handle said threats. At the very least she's more helpful than Luna.

 

Celestia: Sent Friendship Letters unDiscord Twilight, challenged Chrysalis and almost beat her, came up with the idea of giving Twilight their magic

 

Luna: Slept a lot

 

 

I hear Racism ...and it's not that as I prefer Celestia's design to Luna's

I think his point is that black characters tend to get a stamp of coolness for no reason other than they're edgy. Like Batman

[Linds 34]

That's garbage logic. That's like saying "It's Mufasa's fault that Scar killed him, he should have seen that he was an evil prick before hand" or saying "The Mane 6 losing their magic is Fluttershy's fault, she should have known Discord was using her"

 

Scar was a very good actor, so it was hard to see his ambitions. And nobody tried to warn Mufasa about his brother.

Discord have fooled mane 6. And notice, that he wasn't using Fluttershy. He likes her. Just when Tirek made him a good proposition, he decided to betray mane 6. And maybe he thought he would be able to stop Tirek on his own hand.

 

We don't know anything about time before Luna changed into NM. So I can easily think that Celestia just ignored other behavior of her sister. Usually it's easy to notice when somebody is depressed or so sad. Specially, when we're talking about very young person, not about adult. But who knows, maybe Luna was a good actress too.

But this is only an option. The second option is that Celestia could notice and couldn't help her. And I prefer this option, cause when you're in the spotlight, it's so easy to ignore when somebody close to you is depressed because of being in your shadow.

 

I'm basing those theory on Saint Seiya universe, where there are usually a Gemini Saints twins. Saga & Kanon, Paradox & Integra, Defteros & Aspros... there always was a scheme (unfortunately, cause it's easy to imagine something other), where one of the twins was in the spotlight, was liked by everybody and second one was in the shadows of the first one, what was making him/her more and more evil. I know that's possible, I've experienced this in my life.

 

So, as you see, we have no clues that is or isn't some of Celestia fault. But I think there is also some of her fault. We can't just say that's only Luna's fault of everything bad.

 

You'd love the polar ice caps then. Half of the year it's night, other half it's day

 

Half year without night? Thank you, but no. I wouldn't pray my beloved Princess! :comeatus:

South Canada. That would be good. There is cold, but not too much.

 

 

And while Celestia sends the Mane 6 to do things, it's because she usually can't handle said threats. At the very least she's more helpful than Luna.

 

Celestia: Sent Friendship Letters unDiscord Twilight, challenged Chrysalis and almost beat her, came up with the idea of giving Twilight their magic

 

Luna: Slept a lot

 

Luna works during night, so she had to sleep during days. Try to not sleep for 24-48 hours.

And I would like to see, that Celestia and Luna, if they would like, the were able to defeat Tirek on their own hooves. But Celestia decided to leave all for Twilight. In my opinion, she had to know TOO MUCH, because normal strategist wouldn't leave everything for still studying young person. There was too big risk.

And we don't know what Luna was doing during war with Changelings. Of course, the most liked idea is she was sleeping. But for example she could fight in other place. Or she could make her work with night and dreams in other side of world. Dunno. And we will never know.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

So, as you see, we have no clues that is or isn't some of Celestia fault. But I think there is also some of her fault. We can't just say that's only Luna's fault of everything bad

Why can't it be all Luna's fault? Do tell me. There's no evidence to support your point while there are heaps of evidence that it was Luna having issues and throwing a tantrum over them

 

 

Luna works during night, so she had to sleep during days. Try to not sleep for 24-48 hours.

Then it's a real shame that she can't toss aside sleep for a bit while a chaos spirit is running rampant and a bug demon is threatening the capital

 

 

And I would like to see, that Celestia and Luna, if they would like, the were able to defeat Tirek on their own hooves. But Celestia decided to leave all for Twilight. In my opinion, she had to know TOO MUCH, because normal strategist wouldn't leave everything for still studying young person. There was too big risk.

 

Twilight was their only choice. Numbers don't win a battle when individually, you're that much weaker. A combined blast might do it, but even then, it only matched Tirek

 

 

And we don't know what Luna was doing during war with Changelings. Of course, the most liked idea is she was sleeping. But for example she could fight in other place. Or she could make her work with night and dreams in other side of world. Dunno. And we will never know.

She literally asked if she had missed anything, she did nothing but nap while Celestia tried to barbecue Chrysalis 

[AppleLover 146]

Well I like her. Sure she ainted my favorite Princess, but I don't hate her. She has an amazing singing voice, and she is always calm and stuff. I think she is an amazin character, and even though my favorite princess is Luna, she's probably be the first pony I would like to meet if I was able to. 

[Linds 34]

Why can't it be all Luna's fault? Do tell me. There's no evidence to support your point while there are heaps of evidence that it was Luna having issues and throwing a tantrum over them

 

Because it isn't all her fault. But Solarf... no, I won't write those word for joke, I will gain another ban... xP

Celestia's fans used to tell it's only Luna's fault. But we have got shown that ponies were guilty of ignoring Luna's hard work. So we haven't got the only one guilty person.

If you want to any evidence, even the weak one, for Celestia fault - in memory fragment Twilight was seeing, why Celestia didn't tried to speak with Luna before transformation? Of course it was to make the finish of the episode more cool, but ignoring that, Celestia was just standing and staring at her sister. She didn't said any word.

 

 

Then it's a real shame that she can't toss aside sleep for a bit while a chaos spirit is running rampant and a bug demon is threatening the capital

 

There is a possibility she didn't know about what was happening. You've no evidence for Luna ignoring the danger. Specially, if she was looking after the castle during nights.

 

 

Twilight was their only choice. Numbers don't win a battle when individually, you're that much weaker. A combined blast might do it, but even then, it only matched Tirek

 

You can't prove it was the only one choice for them.

And I don't want to be bad or something, but it isn't good for the country, when the only one things securing the kingdom is Twilight and Elements of the Harmony and maybe Discord. And usually only they are in use. What's about the Princesses? What's about the guards and army? They're such a decorations?

 

She literally asked if she had missed anything, she did nothing but nap while Celestia tried to barbecue Chrysalis 

 

She asked if she had missed anything, but it's proving only that she had no idea about what was going on in the capital city. Not that she had a nap. A nap is the only theory. Specially when we doesn't see her looking like being after sleeping. She could be anywhere.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Because it isn't all her fault

No evidence for this. Is it that hard to accept that Luna fucked up?

 

 

Celestia's fans used to tell it's only Luna's fault. But we have got shown that ponies were guilty of ignoring Luna's hard work. So we haven't got the only one guilty person

Ignoring? If needing sleep is ignoring, then Luna is even more petulant.

 

If you want to any evidence, even the weak one, for Celestia fault - in memory fragment Twilight was seeing, why Celestia didn't tried to speak with Luna before transformation? Of course it was to make the finish of the episode more cool, but ignoring that, Celestia was just standing and staring at her sister. She didn't said any word.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransformationIsAFreeAction

 

If you want an in universe reason, she was too busy being horrified with her sister

 

 

There is a possibility she didn't know about what was happening. You've no evidence for Luna ignoring the danger. Specially, if she was looking after the castle during nights.

She might not have known about Chrysalis, but there's no way she missed Discord, she must have noticed the Sun and Moon getting screwed over

 

 

You can't prove it was the only one choice for them.

I can because they can't do anything else. Tirek could take them down easily and then eat their magic if they tried fighting him 4 v 1. It'd be like 4 eight year olds attacking you. Combined, they might be equal, but it doesn't matter

 

 

And I don't want to be bad or something, but it isn't good for the country, when the only one things securing the kingdom is Twilight and Elements of the Harmony and maybe Discord. And usually only they are in use. What's about the Princesses? What's about the guards and army? They're such a decorations?

Celestia was about to turn Chrysalis to vapor, it was just really bad luck that Chrysalis had been juicing herself for a week at least. Were it not for that, Chrysalis would have been killed. Sombra was also utterly trashed by Celestia and Luna.

 

As for the guards, they tried to take down NMM at least

 

 

She asked if she had missed anything, but it's proving only that she had no idea about what was going on in the capital city. Not that she had a nap. A nap is the only theory. Specially when we doesn't see her looking like being after sleeping. She could be anywhere.

So she went off and took a joy ride? Not helping your case 

[paradoxical 1,735]

Err... lol, no? 

 

I was referring to the end of the episode when Celestia is present - so many times I was just screaming "Just reassure them already! Stop playing this out so long!" XD But yeah, I still find it generally kind of weird / suspect that ponies tend to have so much anxiety around her. Yeah sure I know, she's a princess, but she could be waaaaay warmer as a character, IMHO. 

 

I think that it was hard to get a word edgewise with the Mane 6 leaping in front of one another to explain.  Then she took a moment to adjust her thought process and responded to their concerns in such a way to better them all.

It's like she learned the lesson for the day and internalized it right before the mane 6.  (which if you think about it, is pretty cool [or could be considered to be so])

 

She has too much of that cliche' Princess attitude. She has no substance and not real personality, strength or anything about her that makes her powerful or interesting. She's weak in mind and soul is why I don't like her. 

 

I thought her scene with the coffee was a "real Celestia" (and a warm) moment (trying to decrease the reverence).  Or another moment like that at the end of the Gala.

It seems she has to strike a balance between being a ruler and being a person pony. 

She may be too much a princess for you, but I like her the way she is.

[MilesTheLunar 67]

Personally, I don't hate Celestia. I don't hate any G4 characters, even the ones I'm supposed to hate.

I personally just feel Celestia is a bit underdeveloped and her backstory isn't handled as well as, say, Luna's.

Seriously, she trapped her sister on the blooming MOON. Let's talk about that some more, writers. I'm interested in that.

[Hive King 2,001]

Personally, I don't hate Celestia. I don't hate any G4 characters, even the ones I'm supposed to hate.

I personally just feel Celestia is a bit underdeveloped and her backstory isn't handled as well as, say, Luna's.

Seriously, she trapped her sister on the blooming MOON. Let's talk about that some more, writers. I'm interested in that.

What's there to talk about? She clearly regrets it, not everything needs an hour long backstory

[Linds 34]

No evidence for this. Is it that hard to accept that Luna fucked up?

 

Aren't you even trying to read what I wrote in previous posts, right?

I'm not writing that Luna made good. This is sure that she made bad. Just we can't say that's all only her fault.

 

Ignoring? If needing sleep is ignoring, then Luna is even more petulant.

 

Once time you're writing like "Luna shouldn't sleep! Chrysalis was attacking and Luna was sleeping them, she's so baaaad!", now you're defending citizens of Equestria for doing the same. You aren't consistent.

Also, the intro for the show says that all ponies were sleeping. Now let's see for example what is Twilight doing during night - of course, mainly she is sleeping, but sometimes she and her friends are coming out to look at the stars.

But I guess you will still see no difference. Trolling?

 

 

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransformationIsAFreeAction

 

If you want an in universe reason, she was too busy being horrified with her sister

 

As mentioned before by me, in "Saint Seiya" Gemini Saga is occupied by his evil side and it wasn't like he wanted to be evil. Small piece of evil, which was in him, grew too big and started to control him. How it can be fitted for Luna? In 2 ways:

- Luna just decided to raise the moon and then there is a magic transforming her into Nightmare Moon. From her eyes on the start of the change I guess, she wasn't expecting the transformation.

- Evil could be seeded in her and grew up too much.

Of course that's all are only theories.

 

Celestia was horrified? Her later way to say words about lowering the moon show that she wasn't horrified. Even Twilight wasn't horrified, while she thought that's is coming in her times, not in the past.

 

You just can't understand that Celestia could be a good ruler, maybe even perfect ruler, but she wasn't a perfect sister.

 

She might not have known about Chrysalis, but there's no way she missed Discord, she must have noticed the Sun and Moon getting screwed over

 

So what? Celestia wasn't trying to stop Discord too. She just told to mane 6 to stop him.

In case of the Crystal Empire we can see Celestia telling Luna that Twilight will save the Empire. Who knows, maybe there was a similar situation in Discord's case.

 

I can because they can't do anything else. Tirek could take them down easily and then eat their magic if they tried fighting him 4 v 1. It'd be like 4 eight year olds attacking you. Combined, they might be equal, but it doesn't matter

 

"I can, even without the evidence. It could happened, just because I'm saying this!".

 

 

 

Celestia was about to turn Chrysalis to vapor, it was just really bad luck that Chrysalis had been juicing herself for a week at least. Were it not for that, Chrysalis would have been killed. Sombra was also utterly trashed by Celestia and Luna.

 

As for the guards, they tried to take down NMM at least.

 

In Sombra case you're right. Cadence was too tired.

In Chrysalis case - I would like to notice that to the time of the wedding, Twilight was the only one pony, who knew that Chrysalis isn't real Cadance. Even her family couldn't notice her other behavior. Even so perfect, so smart Celestia. "That's only because of the wedding!". Such a great explanation...

And of course, Luna too, but I would like to notice that Luna propably doesn't know Cadance as long as Celestia.

You've pointed one interested thing too. Celestia and Luna were able to stop Sombra (I can understand they couldn't stop Discord, because they weren't controlling the Elements of the Harmony anymore like mane 6), so they could easily defeat him now. Princess of the Day's only explanation for sending Twilight was that Twilight was her student. Nothing more. Of course, she knew about the whole Twilight's destination, but still, it was too big risk. 

 

The guards tride to take down NMM. But where it's time to fight with the Changelings, we don't see them fighting with them. The only one ponies fighting with them are... mane 6! They could be useful and help them to get for the Elements of the Harmony, but they didn't. And explanation that Shining Armor wasn't in a good condition isn't a explanation too - every main person has got their vice-. Where he/she was then?

Sorry for my non perfect English, it isn't my primary language.

 

So she went off and took a joy ride? Not helping your case 

 

Read again what I was writing in previous posts. I don't see any sense in writing the same thing again.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Aren't you even trying to read what I wrote in previous posts, right? I'm not writing that Luna made good. This is sure that she made bad. Just we can't say that's all only her fault.

I'm reading it, and you seem compelled to put some blame on Celestia randomly

 

 

Once time you're writing like "Luna shouldn't sleep! Chrysalis was attacking and Luna was sleeping them, she's so baaaad!", now you're defending citizens of Equestria for doing the same. You aren't consistent.

The difference is that Luna slept through a war, the ponies slept through mundane days and only pissed Luna off because she wanted them to play at night

 

 

Also, the intro for the show says that all ponies were sleeping. Now let's see for example what is Twilight doing during night - of course, mainly she is sleeping, but sometimes she and her friends are coming out to look at the stars. But I guess you will still see no difference. Trolling?

The only thing that changed was Luna's attitude

 

 

As mentioned before by me, in "Saint Seiya" Gemini Saga is occupied by his evil side and it wasn't like he wanted to be evil. Small piece of evil, which was in him, grew too big and started to control him. How it can be fitted for Luna? In 2 ways: - Luna just decided to raise the moon and then there is a magic transforming her into Nightmare Moon. From her eyes on the start of the change I guess, she wasn't expecting the transformation. - Evil could be seeded in her and grew up too much. Of course that's all are only theories.

And yet Luna clearly says so herself that it was basically her fault, she never ever implies it was some form of evil, it was just her

 

 

Celestia was horrified? Her later way to say words about lowering the moon show that she wasn't horrified. Even Twilight wasn't horrified, while she thought that's is coming in her times, not in the past.

Yeah, because seeing your beloved sister be covered in magic as she transforms is going to make Celestia shrug

 

 

You just can't understand that Celestia could be a good ruler, maybe even perfect ruler, but she wasn't a perfect sister.

Or perhaps you can't understand that Luna was a spoiled little brat and it was soley her fault

 

 

So what? Celestia wasn't trying to stop Discord too. She just told to mane 6 to stop him

She sent the Friendship Letters to Twilight, basically snapping her out of depression

 

 

In case of the Crystal Empire we can see Celestia telling Luna that Twilight will save the Empire. Who knows, maybe there was a similar situation in Discord's case.  

That was different, she didn't even know Sombra had come back

 

 

"I can, even without the evidence. It could happened, just because I'm saying this!".

Well, what else would happen? Would Celestia randomly get a power boost and call down a Kamehameha? It's simple logic that just because your combined power is equal, doesn't mean anything. Again, imagine this

 

4 4 and 4, attack 12. 12 easily takes them down, despite that he would be equal if they fused together. It's not hard to understand

 

 

In Chrysalis case - I would like to notice that to the time of the wedding, Twilight was the only one pony, who knew that Chrysalis isn't real Cadance. Even her family couldn't notice her other behavior. Even so perfect, so smart Celestia. "That's only because of the wedding!". Such a great explanation...

When did I ever claim Celestia was perfect? That was a huge blunder on her part, true.

 

 

And of course, Luna too, but I would like to notice that Luna propably doesn't know Cadance as long as Celestia

Why not? Cadence has been around a long time, we know this because Tirek knew about her but not Twilight

 

 

You've pointed one interested thing too. Celestia and Luna were able to stop Sombra (I can understand they couldn't stop Discord, because they weren't controlling the Elements of the Harmony anymore like mane 6), so they could easily defeat him now. Princess of the Day's only explanation for sending Twilight was that Twilight was her student. Nothing more. Of course, she knew about the whole Twilight's destination, but still, it was too big risk. 

Like I said, for all Celestia knew, Sombra was dead/banished, not alive again

[Linds 34]

I'm reading it, and you seem compelled to put some blame on Celestia randomly

 

 

The difference is that Luna slept through a war, the ponies slept through mundane days and only pissed Luna off because she wanted them to play at night

 

 

The only thing that changed was Luna's attitude

 

 

And yet Luna clearly says so herself that it was basically her fault, she never ever implies it was some form of evil, it was just her

 

 

Yeah, because seeing your beloved sister be covered in magic as she transforms is going to make Celestia shrug

 

 

Or perhaps you can't understand that Luna was a spoiled little brat and it was soley her fault

 

 

She sent the Friendship Letters to Twilight, basically snapping her out of depression

 

 

That was different, she didn't even know Sombra had come back

 

 

Well, what else would happen? Would Celestia randomly get a power boost and call down a Kamehameha? It's simple logic that just because your combined power is equal, doesn't mean anything. Again, imagine this

 

4 4 and 4, attack 12. 12 easily takes them down, despite that he would be equal if they fused together. It's not hard to understand

 

 

When did I ever claim Celestia was perfect? That was a huge blunder on her part, true.

 

 

Why not? Cadence has been around a long time, we know this because Tirek knew about her but not Twilight

 

 

Like I said, for all Celestia knew, Sombra was dead/banished, not alive again

 

Alright, in some places you're right (for example about Celestia non-knowing about Sombra coming back).

You haven't told that Celestia is perfect, but when I can see that Luna made some bad things and she isn't clear, you can't accept that there is a place for theory that Celestia could be non-perfect sister. You're fighting those theory like with the fire. And that's making me sick - we, Luna fans have to deal with fact that our beloved princess isn't perfect, but for not only Solar's, Celestia is having an immunity.

 

And yet Luna clearly says so herself that it was basically her fault, she never ever implies it was some form of evil, it was just her

 

Firstly watch 1st season "Saint Seiya", last 3 episodes of it at least. Then we can talk later about it.

Or no.

Good and evil Saga were in one body, sometimes good was trying to defeat evil. But it couldn't win. So main character mixed his power with power of his friends and used a "Big Bang" attack to defeat Saga's evil - when it passed, there was only good guy.

Do you see a similarity?

Twilight mixing power with her friends, making a so strong attack to defeat Nightmare Moon and on her place we've got young? And what we're finding on her place isn't a monument or nothing, it's young, good Luna.

 

Right, now I don't see any sense to make our conversation longer... but if you see, I will answer after some days (travel)

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Alright, in some places you're right (for example about Celestia non-knowing about Sombra coming back). You haven't told that Celestia is perfect, but when I can see that Luna made some bad things and she isn't clear, you can't accept that there is a place for theory that Celestia could be non-perfect sister. You're fighting those theory like with the fire. And that's making me sick - we, Luna fans have to deal with fact that our beloved princess isn't perfect, but for not only Solar's, Celestia is having an immunity.

In this case, it's because there's nothing incriminating Celestia

 

 

Firstly watch 1st season "Saint Seiya", last 3 episodes of it at least. Then we can talk later about it. Or no. Good and evil Saga were in one body, sometimes good was trying to defeat evil. But it couldn't win. So main character mixed his power with power of his friends and used a "Big Bang" attack to defeat Saga's evil - when it passed, there was only good guy. Do you see a similarity? Twilight mixing power with her friends, making a so strong attack to defeat Nightmare Moon and on her place we've got young? And what we're finding on her place isn't a monument or nothing, it's young, good Luna.

Perhaps, but the evil was part of them, yes? To quote the Halloween trailer

"Some people let their darkness consume them"

That was NMM, basically Luna focusing darkness. To be fair to Luna, it clouded her judgement horribly, but the Elements basically drive out the darkness in your heart, so she had a chance to reform 

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

In this case, it's because there's nothing incriminating Celestia

Perhaps, but the evil was part of them, yes? To quote the Halloween trailer

"Some people let their darkness consume them"

That was NMM, basically Luna focusing darkness. To be fair to Luna, it clouded her judgement horribly, but the Elements basically drive out the darkness in your heart, so she had a chance to reform

There is always something incriminating Celestia... If anything you think she would have let Luna know things had changed since her return and we wouldn't have most shenanigans in Nightmare Night.

 

If we are talking about her sisterly nature the show has been witholding much and i've only seen the hug at season one and the regret at season 4 premiere.

 

I also don't like how the writers or she make her be casted aside like a powerless normal unicorn. Vines, Discord, Nightmare Moon. I am not mentioning Sombra because she had to protect her own kingdom. I am not mentioning Chrysalis because she fought a bit.

 

Why can't we have more "Lesson Zero" moments where Celestia contributes as well?

[babymoondust 223]

I think it's silly to argue over opinions on characters. There's nothing wrong if you like or dislike Princess Celestia. You don't need to be "corrected" by someone who likes her if you don't like her; you don't need to be "corrected" by someone who dislikes her if you like her. You shouldn't really need to have to defend yourself one way or the other. I honestly think people get into heated arguments waaaaay too easily over stuff like this. You don't need a trial with detractors and evidence against your case for not liking a friggin' pony. 

[SBaby 660]

I don't really hate her.  There's some scenes with her that aren't very well-written, but her character isn't to blame for that.  She pretty much just fits the role of 'mentor figure' to Twilight and the others.  There's nothing really wrong with that.

[Kel_Grym 1,917]

I also am patiently awaiting for the time to come when a male alicorn comes into the picture. Maybe a king who isn't a unicorn?

 

Black and Red, Jim is Dead!

 

Some people might hate celestia because she banished luna to the moon for 1000 years and

She always relys on other ponies to stop the villain whilst she sits on her throne probably (im not a hater)

 

She probably has more important things to worry about.

 

She did nothing in particular in the show. She has no "problems", no real character development, or backstory...

 

The only good scene involving her was this one:

...and that's all.

 

Why did you have to bring that up? This is a painful memory for us.

 

It's difficult to say. Some say that she isn't developed enough. I think she is...

 

She's the tallest pony in the show, how much more development do you want?

 

So Celestia should be psychic and know that Twilight is having a freak out? 

 

Celestia is psychic. She knows everything.

 

I don't neccesarily hate Celestia. I just find her surprisingly boring.

 

I enjoy opera, but many find that boring.

 

She has too much of that cliche' Princess attitude. She has no substance and not real personality, strength or anything about her that makes her powerful or interesting. She's weak in mind and soul is why I don't like her. 

 

Ad Hominim, and presumption.

 

I am not hating Princess Celestia... just I am not liking her. Why? Because she is like a typical mother.  She will do what she thinks she should do, without thinking about another way. And everytime she is right. Only now there were a lot of ways to showing how much Celestia was suffering, because of her decision to sending Luna to the moon - look at season 4 and official comics.

 

That's a little sad that now suddenly she is cleared from all her bad sides...

 

Alright, let's continue this.

In my opinion it's only Celestia's guilty of making Luna transforming into Nightmare Moon. In the show we have got only a fragment, where Luna decided to rebel. But we don't know what was earlier. And I think that Celestia was just a bad sister. Luna was coming jealous of gratitude from the citizens and depressed because of being ignored by ponies. If Celestia had notice all of this in time and made her best to help her sister, Princess of the Night would never transform into NM.

 

Also I don't like Celestia, because of the day. There is so hot, so stuffy... CELESTIA GO AWAY, I want the cold night or at least the cold day ;_;

 

Signed,

The most loyable Princess Luna's subject in Poland.

 

PS. Maybe Celestia is fatter and has got a better butt, but even this, I'm not going to betray my beloved Princess of the Night!

 

I see the darkness in your soul, traveler.

 

It wails at me with the force of 1000 anti-suns.

 

I have seen your dialog with Evil Dragon Master, and even he cannot persuade you from your blasphemous path.

 

I can only pray that the Holy Light of Celestia makes its way through the shroud of illusion that has taken your mind.

 

May you find yourself under her gentle wing of mercy, one day.

 

I hate Celestia, she is the worst princess of them all. Luna is bad too, but she never sends the Mane 6 to do things for her and she also doesn't troll her subjects.

 

P.S. She is a Goddess and that seems too..eh..

I hear Racism ...and it's not that as I prefer Celestia's design to Luna's..

 

 

I dislike that she always seems to send someone else to do her dirty work but i don't hate her. In fact i hate that the fans depict her and Luna as Pony Goddesses of Uber Special Awesome power and then suddenly they get beat by vines and Chrysalis...

 

I stated this before, she has more important things to do, and that fight with Chrysalis was either a fluke or she threw it on purpose for reasons that only Celestia can comprehend, as her ways are higher than our ways.

 

I think it's silly to argue over opinions on characters. There's nothing wrong if you like or dislike Princess Celestia. You don't need to be "corrected" by someone who likes her if you don't like her; you don't need to be "corrected" by someone who dislikes her if you like her. You shouldn't really need to have to defend yourself one way or the other. I honestly think people get into heated arguments waaaaay too easily over stuff like this. You don't need a trial with detractors and evidence against your case for not liking a friggin' pony. 

 

Huh...And here I just got done ordering over a dozen pitchforks and torches.

 

Now what am I going to do with my anti-heretic kit?

Edited July 26, 2014 by Minister KelGrym

[ThePurpleK 71]

The same reason why many people would dislike the Queen: she's too much of a figurehead. She has a tendency to put Twilight into great risks even when she's not learning about friendship. She hasn't done much in the present-day either.

[hip-indeed 304]

I think the main thing is, the show's creators simply never gave her that much characterization, so people just went flying with their own.  And of course things that happened in the earliest days of pony, when the entire community was small enough to know each other and really share and grow ideas, tend to STICK FOREVER.  So we have Molestia and Trollestia and Tyrant Celestia and all those negative portrayals of her that kind of exploded into epic proportions when fans made big, popular works related to them like Ask Princess Molestia and such, and the show itself harbored some like Celestia's potentially "trollish" tendencies in SEVERAL first-season episodes.

 

I in fact like to believe that side of her we saw in the first season is her true personality and that she's simply fun-loving and playful on the inside, more than her regal presence usually allows her to show, but she loves to get it out any way she can when she gets the chance, so we get a lot of her 'messing around' with the ponies a bit, being silly, pining for the Gala to be less-stuffy, etc.  

 

I really truly miss this Celestia from back when she was one of the ONLY major characters outside the mane 6 and spike and it seemed as though she was going to slowly become a character with more personality and more scenes as the series went on (and I believe Faust would have done this).  Then we get Luna back, Cadance, now Princess Twi and other godlike figures like Discord hanging around and Celly seems to be the least-interesting of them and is hidden in the back.  And what's the worst, she only seems to exist EVER anymore just to give story exposition in a monotone kind of voice.  She's almost never been at all relevant to the plot of any episode AS A CHARACTER rather than the generic Ruler of Equestria since wayyyyy back in Lesson Zero, and when she finally gets a little action it's either her getting her buns kicked in Canterlot Wedding or something that happened a  thousand years ago (though still hecka cool) like in the S4 opener.

 

Basically for us to be THIS far into the show's run and STILL have so little characterization for Celly is criminal, and I badly badly hope this is remedied soon, but since this is the case you can hardly blame many fans for disliking or having little interest in her.  I personally love her, I love her design, her voice and the potential little glimpses of her personality we've had, but it's up to the show's writers and directors to push more stories DIRECTLY involving Celestia as a character.  Until then, I can at least find solace in her awesome ballad in Magical Mystery Cure.

[Gary S. 102]

You should replace "Bronies" with "Luna Fans", because whenever i read statements like " I hate her with a passion" or "She needs to die", it's ALWAYS them. Fact.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Gary S.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

You should replace "Bronies" with "Luna Fans", because whenever i read statements like " I hate her with a passion" or "She needs to die", it's ALWAYS them. Fact.

Actually no... Luna has her own gaping plotholes. Ad hominem arguements aren't accepted here.

[Gary S. 102]

Actually no... Luna has her own gaping plotholes. Ad hominem arguements aren't accepted here.

 

It's not about things like plotholes here, it's about hating. And yet i have to find a Non Luna Fan, who really hates Celestia's character and decisions.

 

Wait, maybe except of some Twilight fans, because Celestia didn't officially say sorry. Like many others, but so what....

Edited July 27, 2014 by Gary S.