How would feel about Rarity if/when she breaks Spike's heart?

[Yellow Diamond 7,575]

Because Spike is a baby, this is kind of hard to explain something to babies, Twilight jus lets him do w/e he wants, he'll find out everythin by himself sooner or later. If it's not objectionable in Equestria, bring me at least one pair which includes a dragon and a pony, or a pony and creature that doesn't belong to any pony related breed.

 

You're asking me to prove a negative: that which is not objectionable in Equestria. Although there have been no explicit examples of mixed breeds (e.g., donkeys and ponies), there is no explicit objection to the concept, either. The burden of proof rests with proving it as considered objectionable rather than it not being rejected. Beyond this point we begin to engage in pure speculation; however, since Spike has yet to be chastised for liking Rarity, it is tenuous to assume cross-species relationships are wholly and outright rejected in Equestria. We simply have no grounds on which to make the presumption other than the absence of such relationships.

[Half-Note 273]

 

 

Because Spike is a baby, this is kind of hard to explain something to babies, Twilight jus lets him do w/e he wants, he'll find out everythin by himself sooner or later. If it's not objectionable in Equestria, bring me at least one pair which includes a dragon and a pony, or a pony and creature that doesn't belong to any pony related breed.

 

Saying that Twilight wouldn't tell spike if it was wrong or not is like saying you wouldn't tell your 5 year old brother liking a dog is wrong.

[Princess Ariona 402]

You're asking me to prove a negative: that which is not objectionable in Equestria. Although there have been no explicit examples of mixed breeds (e.g., donkeys and ponies), there is no explicit objection to the concept, either. The burden of proof rests with proving it as considered objectionable rather than it not being rejected. Beyond this point we begin to engage in pure speculation; however, since Spike has yet to be chastised for liking Rarity, it is tenuous to assume cross-species relationships are wholly and outright rejected in Equestria. We simply have no grounds on which to make the presumption other than the absence of such relationships.

 

Donkeys are MAMMALS just like ponies, I don't think you clearly see the difference, do you?

 

Saying that Twilight wouldn't tell spike if it was wrong or not is like saying you wouldn't tell your 5 year old brother liking a dog is wrong.

 

If you mean having a crush on dog?! Ok I'm trying too hard, Spike crushing on Rarity and a child liking a dog are 2 different things

Edited July 10, 2012 by Princess Ariona

[Yellow Diamond 7,575]

Donkeys are MAMMALS just like ponies, I don't think you clearly see the difference, do you?

I can see the difference between a mammal and a dragon; but if one really wants to dive into the semantics of "natural" vs. "unnatural" relationships, a cat and a dog mating wouldn't be conceived of as natural. Furthermore, that was not the central point of my post: I wanted to highlight that the absence of evidence is not necessarily sufficient evidence. Such tends to be one of the primary flaws of inductive reasoning.

Edited July 10, 2012 by Thereisnospoon303

[Princess Ariona 402]

I can see the difference between a mammal and a dragon; but if one really wants to dive into the semantics of "natural" vs. "unnatural" relationships, a cat and a dog mating wouldn't be conceived of as natural. Furthermore, that was not the central point of my post: I wanted to highlight that the absence of evidence is not necessarily sufficient evidence. Such tends to be one of the primary flaws of inductive reasoning.

 

I feel like I'm talkin to a philosopher, the absence of evidence is not a sufficient evidence? I do agree with this, but I'm tryin to be a realist, I see a pony only with another pony not with a reptile.

[pjsforever 89]

I doubt that would happen for obvious reasons, but if it did I'd feel pretty bad for Spike. I wouldn't feel pissed at Rarity though because she can't help not having feelings for Spike. Also, the few times that Spike did help her out were more for lulz than anything else and he got a reward when he was digging up gems, so I wouldn't call it manipulation or anything...

[Half-Note 273]

 

Donkeys are MAMMALS just like ponies, I don't think you clearly see the difference, do you?

 

 

 

If you mean having a crush on dog?! Ok I'm trying too hard, Spike crushing on Rarity and a child liking a dog are 2 different things

 

Exactly. Both are sapient beings. And no matter how unnatural it may seem to you it is still a viable relationship.

[Yellow Diamond 7,575]

I feel like I'm talkin to a philosopher, the absence of evidence is not a sufficient evidence? I do agree with this, but I'm tryin to be a realist, I see a pony only with another pony not with a reptile.

 

I'm not trying to be a philosopher or some sort of Socratic smartass, leading you around in circles for my amusement. It is simply too much of a logical leap to treat the absence of evidence as definitive.

 

If you just prefer to only see ponies matched with ponies, that's fine. I understand your opinion; but it's another matter entirely to make a broad claim about what is considered "natural" by the standards of Equestrian society when there is nothing to demonstrate.

Edited July 11, 2012 by Thereisnospoon303

[hironakamura 126]

I think after what the writers learned about Spike and Rarity after SomE and DQ aired, there are a lot of fans that found their relationship heartwarming. The writers made an episode that encouraged shipping between the two by treating Spike's feelings for Rarity in S2 as something sincere compared to S1 as a depressing running gag. I wouldn't be surprised if their fairy tale like relationship moves another step further in S3.

 

The thing about these characters is you can't apply our world's science to them. Age and species are thrown out the window when you live in a world where magic is canon and the characters involved are both mythical. How many times has Spike's body transformed? Twice. Once during a flash back in CMC and the other during SomE. Both of which show that he transforms into something "different" than what he appears at present. The writers are trying to send out a message that Spike has not reached his potential yet. I read rumors going around that Spike will transform again in S3. What if this transformation involves making Spike more physically suited for Rarity. He could be accidentally transformed into a pony or he could evolve into a completely different type of dragon that grew up by being virtuous instead of being greedy.

Edited July 20, 2012 by hironakamura

[Homura Akemi 974]

The couple will never happen. My view on Rarity will likely be the same. She doesn't like him back, and likely never will. I personally am not Rarity's biggest fan. She's alright, though.

[Mr. Jaguar 1,403]

Spike is a child, Rarity is an adult. If they got together it'd be pedophilia, I don't know why anyone thinks it'd be okay.

[hironakamura 126]

Spike is a child, Rarity is an adult. If they got together it'd be pedophilia, I don't know why anyone thinks it'd be okay.

 

A lot of people really think Spike is very young including Cathy Weseluck. At least according to her responses during SDCC. She said the first time she voiced Spike, she was under the impression he was a baby until the producers kept telling her to "boy him up." So she kept acting to age Spike until it was to the producers satisfaction. Its why Spike's the straight man of the show and is usually more mature than the 6 ponies themselves.

[Cocodrillo 1,565]

To answer the question, well...

I think Spike should break Rarity´s heart before her trial!

 

[Pinkazoid 3,493]

Rarity has never been one of my top ponies actually, with her being manipulative and using spike quite a bit (in my opinion). In season one she had him dig up gems with her and he only really got one, and in another episode she used him as a pin cushion. She's going to end up breaking Spikes little baby dragon heart and I just know it, and it will crush Spike. But then again we may be wrong all along and she likes him just as much as he likes her.

 

Well she didn't make him do it, he volunteered to help her

"Oh doesn't that hurt?"

"Thick scales, Can't feel a thing. Even if I could, there's no pain that'd keep me from assisting the most beautiful creature in the world~"

"Ugh"

 

I don't think anybrony should get mad at Rarity if it doesn't work out, inb4 Spike x Rarity fans

 

Spike is a baby dragon

It takes him many years to grow (since most dragons live up to 1000+ years)

Rarity is older than him

Spike only likes her for her looks (seriously the first thing he said was when he saw her was Beautiful~) xD

[Jokuc 8,174]

I don't know, I actually think that it's quite funny that Spike likes Rarity. But if it happend I don't think I would care that much actually.

[pinkiefan1287 610]

I think I would be fine with that. I would not hate Rarity as long as explained to him why it could never work out between them. I would not dislike her that much.

Edited July 24, 2012 by pinkiefan1287

[Mr. Jaguar 1,403]

A lot of people really think Spike is very young including Cathy Weseluck. At least according to her responses during SDCC. She said the first time she voiced Spike, she was under the impression he was a baby until the producers kept telling her to "boy him up." So she kept acting to age Spike until it was to the producers satisfaction. Its why Spike's the straight man of the show and is usually more mature than the 6 ponies themselves.

 

I know he's not a baby, but he's still a child, not an adult. Rarity is a fully grown adult pony and if she did become his lover it would be pedophilia.

[ToridAkbolto 170]

I would be okay with it because it is not biologically healthy for a dragon to mate with a pony. Shrek notwithstanding.

[Filly Pinkie Pie 208]

Weeeeel...

Answer to topic title...

It would make me hate Rarity, to be honest...

Because, um...

Rarity is at the bottom of my "best ponies" list...

[Half-Note 273]

Well she didn't make him do it, he volunteered to help her

"Oh doesn't that hurt?"

"Thick scales, Can't feel a thing. Even if I could, there's no pain that'd keep me from assisting the most beautiful creature in the world~"

"Ugh"

 

I don't think anybrony should get mad at Rarity if it doesn't work out, inb4 Spike x Rarity fans

 

Spike is a baby dragon

It takes him many years to grow (since most dragons live up to 1000+ years)

Rarity is older than him

Spike only likes her for her looks (seriously the first thing he said was when he saw her was Beautiful~) xD

 

First off. Spike was born when Twilight was a child of about 6 so this would mean she is 6 years older. (I'm making this relative to human time so I could be off on the ages.) Rarity is roughly the same age as Twilight. I don't know about you guys but I know quite a few happily married couples with that same age difference. (I.e my parents).

 

Secondly your basis of Spike's affection towards Rarity is not at all supported by your evidence. Just because you find someone beautiful at first doesn't mean it can't blossom into real affection.

[Pinkazoid 3,493]

First off. Spike was born when Twilight was a child of about 6 so this would mean she is 6 years older. (I'm making this relative to human time so I could be off on the ages.) Rarity is roughly the same age as Twilight. I don't know about you guys but I know quite a few happily married couples with that same age difference. (I.e my parents).

 

Secondly your basis of Spike's affection towards Rarity is not at all supported by your evidence. Just because you find someone beautiful at first doesn't mean it can't blossom into real affection.

 

But think about it, dragons take naps of thousands of years they don't seem to age at the same rate of ponies, Twilight, according to Lauren is around her twenties, that would mean Spike is in his early teens, but Twilight considers him a baby Dragon, and he acts like one as well.

 

Yes I'm well aware of that, but Spike hasn't shown major affection to her besides of her looks. I'm not saying Spike doesn't truely love her, but from what I can tell it's nothing more than just a silly crush.

Edited July 23, 2012 by CandleJack

[ponyvangelist 732]

Hoarse Sense

 

Wow. This thread has gone some interesting places. I'm not sure I want to go to all of them myself, but can a dragon and a pony take things beyond platonic affection?

 

Maybe we should ask this guy:

 

 

Fig. 1: Draconequus = Draco (dragon) + Equus (pony).

 

If anything, it would seem dragons and ponies are just the tip of the interspecies iceberg.

[hironakamura 126]

Discord aside, griffons and minotaurs are both mythical creatures created from interspecies parents. You can add manticores to that too and all these creatures exist in mlp world. They're even sapient.

 

But even if Spike and Rarity were to have thier fairytale ending together in the show, I doubt biology between them would be explored. They already have more than enough stuff for the writers to work with. Both are represented by gemstones. Both have a greed/generosity duality. One is a dragon while the other is a unicorn. Its classic beauty and the beast. They were made for each other.

[MallaJong1 202]

Discord aside, griffons and minotaurs are both mythical creatures created from interspecies parents. You can add manticores to that too and all these creatures exist in mlp world. They're even sapient.

 

But even if Spike and Rarity were to have thier fairytale ending together in the show, I doubt biology between them would be explored. They already have more than enough stuff for the writers to work with. Both are represented by gemstones. Both have a greed/generosity duality. One is a dragon while the other is a unicorn. Its classic beauty and the beast. They were made for each other.

 

This is a great post. It allowed me to see more of the Spike x Rarity shipping actually coming together.

 

I am writing a fanfiction that addresses this question: Spike the Dragon snaps when Rarity rejects his whole-hearted love, and in a fit of "brilliance" convinces Luna to team up and conquer Ponyville and Canterlot. Though first Spike needs to teach a few ponies a few lessons. What is this insatiatiable sensation boiling deep within Spike's being? And can it be stopped before "brilliance" turns to "madness"? (Sexual activities are implied but not described. This is not a clopfic.)

 

[Mellomaster 0]

Old Topic I know.

However, Considering several things in mind that no one actually put in this topic:

     1: Many of you pull out a lot of points from Season 2 Episode 10, but No body mentioned that Zecora said that a Dragon is prone to greed and a steady diet of greed makes them grow. This means since Spike is VERY generous as much as to give his birthday cake topping to Rarity, he will never PHYSICALLY grow any more than he already has (unless you like adult spike wreaking through town and stealing apples.)

     2: We all talked about his biological age. What about his chronological age? We must consider that before Twilight became Celestia's apprentice at the special school and sent to magic preschool (or magic kindergarten, not sure which), she had to hatch spike, so Spike can only be between 3-5 years younger than Twilight, depending on what grade is started. Kindergarten or Preschool, not sure. Assuming 5 years, and considering that rewriting a spell to create new magic is at least the master level (but very likely Doctoral),Twilight would have to be in the early twenties, leaving spike as a chronological teenager at least if not an early adult. I have yet to any clues on Rarity's age, but I assume the same age as Twilight.

    3:The timeline continity of the series is a little odd if you look at each episode closely. From Episode 1 of the 1st season to the last episode of season 3 actually lasts through 7 years! (just enough time for Twilight to get an undergrad and near finish her Doctoral to be an alicorn,). And we all know that the 5 year age limit would become increasingly unimportant as Rarity and Spike both get older (a 67 and a 62 year old married couple doesn't sound creepy to you, but a 12 year old and 17 year old in a relationship is illegal in many countries.)

    4: Spike has a full time job as an assistant to Twilight (**Cough Slave Cough**). And holding the jobs of copyist, note taker, custodian, and assistant librarian (often knowing the Library more than Twilight). I might as well call Spike Twilight's Butler. He clearly has responsibilities and a job (in addition to being a part time assistant to Rarity,). He may act childish at times, but learns from it and is for the most part mature. The job and duties also demostrate responsibility and maturity.

 

5: In order to discuss the relationship must be based on love, age and maturity (less on age)

 

Now for my opinions on Sparity:

Age and maturity are not real issues at this point for the most part.

As for different species, the show is ran as a combo of a girl's show and a cartoon. Both show interspecies relationships all the time (IE goofy and Clarabelle and Beauty and the Beast) (As a brony, I can call it a part girls show all I want, Even Faust mentioned the specific target audience)

I doubt Rarity has any romantic feelings toward her (again, that big protective sister love for him.) That could change depending on what Hasbro wants (Hasbro Doesn't care if the relationship should work or not, if it sells toys, they'll even put spike and rarity in wedding outfit and a wedding cake, each sold separately).

Rarity has taken advantage of other guys I get it. Did she to spike, probably. In the Secrets of Excess Episode, before she seduced spike into giving the gem, she was having a thinking face, then a worry face over the gem. Clear as day she's been toying with spike's emotions on at least one occasion. Which is rather selfish.

Rarity and Spike are multilayered character, with Rarity's main character flaw being the ability to toy with stallion's hearts to achieve a personal goal with no remorse (or even knowledge) on the effect it has on those poor stallions. Spike being jeolousy, often going as much as wishing (and attempting) malice on the person. Both are detremental to a relationship.

 

If Rarity was to reject Spike, it all depends on how. If she's harsh and mentions only using him, it would put a strain on the mane 6, and possibly ponyville itself (pinkie pie's likely to go on spike's side and that would call for disaster.) And Spike would be crushed for weeks, maybe longer. I would see Rarity as a heartless temptress. If however, it was put in a nicer fashion, and she handled it very well (being a drama queen, what are the odds?) It would be a growing point to both characters.

That's a lot of thoughts, but those would be my thoughts.