Will Trump make America great again?

[King Sejong 859]

   No, Trumpy has relegated himself to a mere figurehead, our real president will be Mike Pence and the plethora of bureaucrats he's selected. It appears he will treat the presidency as a C.E.O., since he has selected hierarchy of bosses and managers, while this is okay for a business, this is not how government works, and it have drastic consequences, like corruption and abuse of power. This reminds me of Emperor Constantine, he made a bold statement that he will unite the western and eastern sides of the Roman Empire, return Rome to it's lost glory, and save the Roman moral fibre, but his greatness could not reverse the century of decline the empire had endured, forty years after his death, the empire split into east and west once again, the Romans suffered a defeat at Adrianople to the Goths, and Rome itself would be sacked by the Gothic king Alaric. Since Trumpy is at best a cheerleader, he is going to leave the hard work his team players, while the public is the spectators, so therein lies the problem. America will never be great again, as long as the citizens just fall for rhetoric and promises, hoping one leader can led a declining imperial power to greatness again, we have to make the country good again, we can not expect the government to do the work for us, much less Trump or Pence, for dinosaurs have elected fossils into public office, so we will get more of the same, instead of new ideas or energy, we have an anaemic imagination, relying too much on the past for solutions, rather than assess the current situation and act accordingly. All I can say is, have courage and remain positive, stand up to defend your rights, conquer division and hate, let those who want to play Game of Thrones in government do it, the age of empires is finally ending, perhaps this is the last victory for imperialism.        

[Zyrael 1,471]

Indeed. Allow me to also provide an example of what President Trump brings to the table.

 

Before this whole Hamilton debacle, I couldn't go a day without hearing the fear mongering about Mike Pence and his past support of conversion therapy. Pence went to the play, and had the speech delivered to him. He politely listened, and then left the theater.

 

Trump tweeted about it and made himself out to look butthurt. Meanwhile, Pence responded with a warm smile and said that he would work to do exactly what the actor said.

 

Today, the media coverage was that Pence was calm and rational, while Trump was butthurt. The media has been calling Trump butthurt for the past 18 months. Nothing new.  Now I ask you. Which narrative would be more likely to calm fearful LGBT and liberals across the country?

 

Mike Pence wants to have you electrocuted, or Mike Pence promises to work on behalf of all Americans?

 

One might dismiss this as a coincidence, but Trump does this shit all the time. It's accurate to say that in the primaries, Trump brought a flamethrower to a stick fight. And now he's bringing that flamethrower to Washington.

 

I'm surprised you have so much confidence in donald trump, of all people. There's a necessary skepticism that must be applied to all this. Do I think pence will turn a new leaf? not in a million years. Any rational person in this country wants someone who will bring the two parties together, someone who will uphold human rights. But it's too idealistic among all the hateful rhetoric to pardon all and assume trump will be a truly moderate president. My feeling is, he'll be easily manipulated by people more experienced in politics than himself, worst case, that involves pence. But then there's other important topics, like addressing climate change. Trump's made it clear, from his own statements at least, that he wants to curtail reform which would address climate change issues, as have most republicans.

 

Really, this is a battle between two sides and opposing ideologies. What neutrality can be found in this political climate? 

Religious extremists and xenophobic hate groups align themselves squarely with the republican party. There is a rational fear about having republicans hold this much control over our federal government. At this point, I don't see any reconciliation between the two parties. It's a fight for survival. 

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Make America White Again should of been his slogan would be a lot more appropriate. Though he doesn't mind professionals of other countries coming over. You basically have to be a candidate to be able to win the nobel prize to come to the States if you're not white now.

[Twiggy 2,966]

My feeling is, he'll be easily manipulated by people more experienced in politics than himself, worst case, that involves pence.

The type of people who manage to build a successful multi-billion dollar corporate empire from a one million dollar venture capital loan are not the type that are easily manipulated. In fact, it would seem that the reverse is true. Many of the common attacks that Trump faces now are the ones that he has masterfully manipulated the American people into electing him against their best interests. I would use the term persuaded, but that's just me.

 

But then there's other important topics, like addressing climate change. Trump's made it clear, from his own statements at least, that he wants to curtail reform which would address climate change issues, as have most republicans.

If it makes you feel better, I agree that he's going full retard on this one.

 

 

 

What neutrality can be found in this political climate?

You are hearing the voices of extremists on both sides magnified by the MSM in order to push an agenda. The vast majority of Americans will get over it by the holidays. Edited November 21, 2016 by Twiggy

[idunnomaybe 344]

If it makes you feel better, I agree that he's going full retard on this one.

 

do you know any Environmental scientists though? cause one of my best mates is and he's pretty jaded about the community 

 

"Climate change" is 100% guessing and actually a lot of it does not take into account other sciences like geology volcanology or paleontology not to mention its heavily biased 

 

basically what my mate put it down to is that its more than likely a natural cycle of the earth what we are currently going through share's a lot of traits with the beginnings of an ice age (one none of us will ever see since it will peak in around 10,000 years) he does agree that Humanity is contributing to it but its very minor he said something like naturally the temp should be rising something like 0.5 of a degree every decade instead its rising it by about 0.8 of a degree that's why it started off as "global warming" then to "climate change" because global warming was debunked years ago 

 

and besides it doesn't even matter in 2030 solar activity is supposed to drop by 60% for around a decade and the last time that happened in the 1700s it snowed in Sydney and Australia during winter as if it was Colorado   

 

a good example he gave of the biases was the population census of frogs (frogs are fragile so they are used to monitor the health of the surrounding ecosystem)

 

so what had happened is they went to a water system to check the health of the frogs they found that there were 20% less frogs than last year before they did ANYTHING they started to try and link it to a factory about 30km away

 

any way a few months later they finished their report and tried to get the factory fined or shutdown i cant remember my mate was not happy with this and he went back and did his own research... 

 

there was a boom in the snake population... it had nothing to do with the factory... 

 

he said Environmental science is full of incidents like that they just turn everything Anthropocentric also that a lot of it is counter intuitive 

 

example if they found a Thylacine that would be great right? i mean they would protect it and treasure it... no they would kill it and study it to find info about it what its currently eating if it was healthy under the assumption there must be more

 

another one is they had to find how abundant a rare legless lizard that lives in borrows was to check the population you know how they do that? they plow the plains they live in and count the dead ones they find once again under the assumption there will be more  

 

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2016 by idunnomaybe

[AaronMk 280]

Idunno seems to have gotten biological studies of ecosystem balance mixed up with meteorological studies of long-term climate data.

 

As convoluted as it it's going to seem, XKCD did a comic-chart on the topic.

 

 

That's a hella solar storm for temperatures to peek like that.

 

But I know what you're going to ask: it's a web-comic and how can we possibly know what the temperature was like before man even settled down to build cities? Well the answer to that is literally ice ice baby. Here's another link about how we have climate records dating back 800,000 years by the same process.

 

By determining the isotopes of Oxygen presently trapped in the ice along with trapped CO2 and anything else atmospheric that got trapped in the snow and ice, atmospheric researchers can apply some geology-tier forensic work to the layers of ice to make a conclusive estimation on what conditions were like back then. Stretch the data out on a graph, apply some averaging, and you get the graph XKCD made. And the data held against long-term patterns as those provided, and it's pretty obvious something is going on.

[idunnomaybe 344]

By determining the isotopes of Oxygen presently trapped in the ice along with trapped CO2 and anything else atmospheric that got trapped in the snow and ice, atmospheric researchers can apply some geology-tier forensic work to the layers of ice to make a conclusive estimation on what conditions were like back then.

 

yeah and by doing that they also know that if some one was sent to the jurrasic they would probably suffocate from all the Co2 if they didn't boil alive first my point is life goes on the planet will never be fully lifeless for anything man does even if its nukes

Edited November 21, 2016 by idunnomaybe

[AaronMk 280]

yeah and by doing that they also know that if some one was sent to the jurrasic they would probably suffocate from all the Co2 if they didn't boil alive first my point is life goes on the planet will never be fully lifeless for anything man does even if its nukes

 

Nice hyperbole.

 

 

Did you think of it yourself?

[idunnomaybe 344]

Did you think of it yourself?

yes it took me 18 months of thinking 

[AaronMk 280]

yes it took me 18 months of thinking 

 

Well that's longer than most, but shorter than some.

 

But really: it's still a hyperbolic statement. While CO2 and global temperatures were higher at these times so was the total oxygen level of the time. And these are levels that are measured out over a time-table of hundreds of millions of year. And with Earth temperatures maxing out at about four degrees over modern levels at these immensely long periods all that a modern person would have to worry about heat-stroke wise would be if he was too deep into an expanded equatorial zone. Anything north (or south) of that wouldn't be demanding of mammals.

[idunnomaybe 344]

Well that's longer than most, but shorter than some.

 

But really: it's still a hyperbolic statement. While CO2 and global temperatures were higher at these times so was the total oxygen level of the time. And these are levels that are measured out over a time-table of hundreds of millions of year. And with Earth temperatures maxing out at about four degrees over modern levels at these immensely long periods all that a modern person would have to worry about heat-stroke wise would be if he was too deep into an expanded equatorial zone. Anything north (or south) of that wouldn't be demanding of mammals.

yeah but you're forgetting something this thread is about trump not climate change 

 

 

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@@idunnomaybe,

 

Climate Change is a Myth, and Donald trump is happening. Wish it was in reverse though. 

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,533]

Trump has made the US into a total laughing-stock for the rest of the world. A completely divided beacon of sheer stupdity and willful ignorance. If that is considered "great" now then he is nailing it.

[Lucky Bolt 35,063]

He's already made America better, and I believe he's going to do many more amazing things for this country in the future. The media makes him out to be a tyrant who wants nothing but to divide us, and it's a shame people follow and believe it.

I hope he gets re-elected in 2020

[Rebel the Wolfgirl 5,605]

1 minute ago, Lucky Bolt said:

He's already made America better, and I believe he's going to do many more amazing things for this country in the future. The media makes him out to be a tyrant who wants nothing but to divide us, and it's a shame people follow and believe it.

Even as a left-leaning libertarian, I agree with this. While I do disagree with Trump quite a bit, there are also a lot of things that he's done well, but also issues he can handle better.

[Steve Piranha 29,425]

7 minutes ago, Lucky Bolt said:

He's already made America better, and I believe he's going to do many more amazing things for this country in the future. The media makes him out to be a tyrant who wants nothing but to divide us, and it's a shame people follow and believe it.

I hope he gets re-elected in 2020

He’s even being compared to our friend of the brush mustache 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/james-clyburn-trump-hitler-comparison/index.html

his concentration camps must be comfy if they still have access to internet 

[Lucky Bolt 35,063]

3 minutes ago, Steve Piranha said:

He’s even being compared to our friend of the brush mustache 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/james-clyburn-trump-hitler-comparison/index.html

his concentration camps must be comfy if they still have access to internet 

Exactly 

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,533]

14 minutes ago, Lucky Bolt said:

He's already made America better, and I believe he's going to do many more amazing things for this country in the future. The media makes him out to be a tyrant who wants nothing but to divide us, and it's a shame people follow and believe it.

I hope he gets re-elected in 2020

Except he all does is divide. He constantly spouts stupid bullshit on Twitter that is aimed at people who he disagrees with and has insulted entire cities and even states and he still does. 

As for his "amazing" things, we're on the brink of recession, he is continuing a worthless trade war, he's been spending a lot of time trying to get a stupid wall built, his EPA doesn't give two shits about the world, he's giving tax cuts to the rich, increasing military spending while letting vital things crumble like health care, I can go on for a while if need be. Not to mention, you didn't provide any examples for what good he has done or what good you think he is going to do. Doesn't really add up with you wanting him to win re-election. Right now, him having another term would be a total disaster.

Oh yeah, and he tells US congresswomen to "go back to their countries". Oh he is sooooo wonderful.

[Lucky Bolt 35,063]

1 minute ago, Kyoshi said:

Except he all does is divide. He constantly spouts stupid bullshit on Twitter that is aimed at people who he disagrees with and has insulted entire cities and even states and he still does. 

As for his "amazing" things, we're on the brink of recession, he is continuing a worthless trade war, he's been spending a lot of time trying to get a stupid wall built, his EPA doesn't give two shits about the world, he's giving tax cuts to the rich, increasing military spending while letting vital things crumble like health care, I can go on for a while if need be. Not to mention, you didn't provide any examples for what good he has done or what good you think he is going to do. Doesn't really add up with you wanting him to win re-election. Right now, him having another term would be a total disaster.

Oh yeah, and he tells US congresswomen to "go back to their countries". Oh he is sooooo wonderful.

I didn't post here to debate. 

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,533]

Just now, Lucky Bolt said:

I didn't post here to debate. 

Like I said, he's made the US into a total shitshow and I can tell that it is pretty easy to see why. I'll leave it at that.

[Here No Longer 5,276]

When was it great may I ask?

Looks like Trump is just making America worse than it was already to me. Really I don't see how it can be seen otherwise by any reasonable person.

[TBD 17,254]

I forgot that we even have a president.

[Partialgeek514 5,011]

Yes. Trump will make sure to ban the sale of pre-shredded cheese and make America grate again!!! 

[Brony Number 42 10,069]

Not Trump as such, but people who love America will make it great.

[Dreambiscuit 9,813]

On 8/27/2019 at 5:10 AM, Lucky Bolt said:

He's already made America better, and I believe he's going to do many more amazing things for this country in the future. The media makes him out to be a tyrant who wants nothing but to divide us, and it's a shame people follow and believe it.

I hope he gets re-elected in 2020

I agree 1000% I couldn't have put it better if I tried. Thank you.