Clop SECTION

[catnet 9,353]

23 minutes ago, GenderIsAnIllusion said:

My point is that literally every other sub group of the Brony fandom is catered too here, EXCEPT the clop community. Its discrimination, and cleverly worded dribble, and political speech doesn't do a good job of masking it.

By this reasoning, would every other fandom-oriented forum disassociated with said fandom's NSFW content (because it's pretty much guaranteed any fandom with large enough an audience will produce such content, and have fans that are into it) be guilty of discrimination? Would it be impossible for, say, a forum about Pokemon to be respectable without a NSFW section within it? Are forums that are family-friendly across the board inherently discriminatory for not catering to members of their relevant fandom that are into its mature content?

I certainly agree with you that there's nothing immoral about cloppers, or their equivalents in other fandoms either, but I also can't see anything unethical, or even close to discriminatory about a forum choosing not to cater to mature tastes... if a forum can do that and pull it off successfully, that's pretty great for them, but it's not the easiest, most risk-free change, there are valid concerns forums can have that stop or even disinterest them in expanding in such a way. As such, I just simply can't see any intrinsic ill-intent in a forum that tries to cater to its members as much as possible but draws the line at content not thought appropriate for it after some contemplation (and from the looks, tons of contemplation has, and still is being put into it).

[CheeryFox 23,811]

I'd like to see this happen. But we all know the 'age' problem and juvenility. Anyone could use age verification - but I'm not too sure of the extent of any legalities--[what they would be]. Prerequisites aside, there should be a lot of considerations. 

[Jeric 46,835]

40 minutes ago, Lenny said:

I haven't seen a post in the clop thread with someone saying "**** cloppers". So my guess is that they ignored it. A notice/rule forbidding discrimination against a subgroup should work?

It happens. Particularly in the beginning. Some of the posts are removed from view on the users. What you see is curated by staff as both the Global Rule regarding abusive behavior, and the OP rules specific to that thread apply. So yes, attacking cloppers in that way is something that isn't allowed allowed. The thread is actually a bit longer, you just can't see it

It's interesting though. Even with rules that are enforced, and offending posts and users dealt with, it still has an impact on someone's overall enjoyment of the board. So yes, while the staff would address abuse of people posting in an approved forum, it could cultivate further community issues if people who post NSFW get fed up by the perceived judgement. Why come here to engage like-minded people when you are constantly getting harassment. Those people may just say 'To hell with this. I'll hang out on RLPV instead'.  Personally I dislike that mentality, but this is the internet after all and it flourishes well ... it's hard to have grown-up conversations sometimes.

I will say that if this does happen I shall be a strong proponent of R Rated Movie Nights on Equestria TV, and the ability to post stuff like Pulp Fiction clips. 

[Lenny 249]

7 minutes ago, Azul Maya said:

I'd like to see this happen. But we all know the 'age' problem and juvenility. Anyone could use age verification - but I'm not too sure of the extent of any legalities--[what they would be]. Prerequisites aside, there should be a lot of considerations. 

Possible solutions have been discussed, such as age gates and emails being sent to the verified account.

[Lenny 249]

4 minutes ago, Jeric said:

It happens. Particularly in the beginning. Some of the posts are removed from view on the users. What you see is curated by staff as both the Global Rule regarding abusive behavior, and the OP rules specific to that thread apply. So yes, attacking cloppers in that way is something that isn't allowed allowed. The thread is actually a bit longer, you just can't see it

It's interesting though. Even with rules that are enforced, and offending posts and users dealt with, it still has an impact on someone's overall enjoyment of the board. So yes, while the staff would address abuse of people posting in an approved forum, it could cultivate further community issues if people who post NSFW get fed up by the perceived judgement. Why come here to engage like-minded people when you are constantly getting harassment. Those people may just say 'To hell with this. I'll hang out on RLPV instead'.  Personally I dislike that mentality, but this is the internet after all and it flourishes well ... it's hard to have grown-up conversations sometimes.

I will say that if this does happen I shall be a strong proponent of R Rated Movie Nights on Equestria TV, and the ability to post stuff like Pulp Fiction clips. 

Wouldn't it be able to be filtered from a larger scale? The community might be able to help with their bad experiences, aswell, if it becomes to be that bad.

[Nightshroud 331]

I haven't seen any clop based stuff but I heard its pretty nasty I don't think pony porn is good for the site a lot of parents and anti cloppers would have this site shut down faster then you can say genryusai shigekuni yamamoto

Edited March 30, 2017 by Nightshroud
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[Snow Frostflame 3,567]

There are other MLP related forums that have clop sections, or are just meant for cloppers. If MLPF had a clop section I can see it becoming very problematic especially since we have minors here. There are solutions around these problems, but those solutions could potentially bring even more problems. A clop section would just be more trouble than its worth, better off to keep MLPF, PG-13.

[ShadOBabe 18,984]

On 3/28/2017 at 4:42 PM, Lenny said:

Good luck with that. Like I said, that's not enough space.

Not quite sure how it's not enough space. You go in there, post your question, and then read the replies people give you.

[Jeric 46,835]

7 minutes ago, Nightshroud said:

I haven't seen any clop based stuff but I heard its pretty nasty I don't think pony porn is good for the site a lot of parents and anti cloppers would have this site shut down faster then you can say genryusai shigekuni yamamoto

Legitimate concern. The largest protection the site has is something called 'Standing'. A member cannot bring action on behalf of someone affected. However, all you need though is one fan who is old enough to have a child who also is a minor with an account on this forum. Should there be a breach from a member of the community ... the mother, father, or guardian would now have legal standing. This site cannot afford the legal cost from that sort of challenge. 

[I used to be a stranger 7,989]

The internet already has tons of porn as it is. An extremely sizable percentage of the entire internet is porn, much to my dismay.

As far as I'm concerned, it can heck right off. It has no need or business to intrude on one of the few places on the internet where I can find respite from its intrusion.

[JonasDarkmane 19,777]

1 hour ago, Malcontent said:

If it was a government sanctioned group wed have a whole other argument but this in the end is a private endeavour that's shared to the public. They could lock everything down and not owe us a thingand they'd. Be in their right to do so

 

53 minutes ago, GrimGrimoire said:

Sure there are sites that have that sort of stuff, but they are not advertised as family friendly, nor cater to the primary sources of the material.  We are one site, not the whole internet..

Essentially both of this. If this site was not a regulated one or staffed one, we might as well just not have rules and let people say and do whatever they want. 

 

However, we are not that kind of site. We have specific guidelines in how this site is managed and rules of "engagement" (cause it sounds like a sword duel :P) for users to follow to participate. We do style this site as a rather family friendly one. We do allow a bit more adult themed discussions such as politics, religion and even discussion about NSFW related material, provided it is in the right place and fulfills the requirement of the rules. That is why this is a PG-13 forum. 

We don't believe we need to be adding clop or other NSFW material as an advertised attraction on this forum. It is a service we do not provide and a service we do not intend to provide. We are essentially a guided website, or in other words "one site, not the whole internet". So we do provide you with service, but we don't provide the whole package.

 

I have seen some posts suggesting that it would be discriminatory not to allow clop. To answer that: No it would not be. No one is restricting your ability to go and view or discuss clop elsewhere. We do not state or express any kind of contempt towards those who find enjoyment in those kind material. We just don't provide the service for such material nor do we intend to do so and we do not wish have such material provided here. We believe such service can be found elsewhere. What you are into is essentially best kept to yourself, mlpforums is not a platform for sharing NSFW material. 

 

As I talked about further above, we have laid out the guidelines for participating in this place. Having rules and guidelines means there are limitations, and clop is one of those materials we have decided not to allow here.

 

I hope people find this post to be helpful or at least insightful

 

[Lenny 249]

13 minutes ago, Jeric said:

Legitimate concern. The largest protection the site has is something called 'Standing'. A member cannot bring action on behalf of someone affected. However, all you need though is one fan who is old enough to have a child who also is a minor with an account on this forum. Should there be a breach from a member of the community ... the mother, father, or guardian would now have legal standing. This site cannot afford the legal cost from that sort of challenge. 

Oh ok, I understand that. If an age gate was added, wouldn't it be on them if they lied?

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,152]

2 minutes ago, Lenny said:

Oh ok, I understand that. If an age gate was added, wouldn't it be on them if they lied?

Unfortunately it's a lot more complicated than that. Especially so with a private, non-government entity like Poniverse it doesn't matter if it is their fault or not. In the eyes of image and practicality the blame will lean more on us than it would on the minor who attempted to circumvent whatever system was in place.

That's just my view; though. Allowing clop just adds a whole new layer of complication to things.

[Twilight Sparkle ✨ 8,520]

1 hour ago, GrimGrimoire said:

Pretty much every large "pony" site on the web is a NSFW free zone.

There aren't many pony fan sites much larger than MLP Forums (Equestria Daily, Fimfiction, and Derpibooru come to mind). I'll play devil's advocate and point out that Fimfiction and Derpibooru in particular have very large amounts of NSFW content on them - if you had these sites in mind when writing your post, they're evidence that it's possible to design a site to host both SFW and NSFW content, while keeping the latter kind of content completely isolated from those who don't care for it. deviantART, though not a pony-specific site, is also worth a mention as it hosts both 13+ and 18+ material while decidedly serving both age groups.

Successfully designing a site in such a way (which I'm not suggesting is simple) broadens the number of interests it can serve (meaning, more users and activity, which benefits everyone) without negatively impacting the experience for anyone who only wants the SFW stuff.

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,671]

Wow... We're still beating this dead pony?

I really have nothing to add. If you want a community that includes NSFW content, go look elsewhere. This place is very clearly advertised as being family friendly so unless there were to be a complete shift in the site's identity in direction, it just isn't going to happen.

[Twilight Sparkle ✨ 8,520]

The record ought to be set straight on the apparent understanding of MLP Forums as an "all-ages" or "family-friendly" site: MLP Forums has, at all points throughout its history, been a 13+ site.

The considerations in catering to children vs. teenagers are comparable in significance to the considerations in catering to teenagers vs. adults, and serving children under 13 has never been one of this community's goals.

Opening MLP Forums to all ages would be an almost equally "interesting" paradigm shift with just as many potential pitfalls - legalities aside, consider how you'd feel about discussing complex headcanon with 4-year-olds.

[Jeric 46,835]

10 minutes ago, Lenny said:

Oh ok, I understand that. If an age gate was added, wouldn't it be on them if they lied?

They would be prevented from accessing the NSFW due to the proposed age gate, that isn't what I meant. One slip outside of the site's control, especially if they mix money into the equation, could be bad. This is how people with money can bully corporations without a large amount of cash on hand into submission. Canada makes it more expensive to bring forth legal action, thankfully. It is still a very serious threat. I've been directly named by an angry parent on the forum when he felt the site didn't protect his kid.

[Lenny 249]

24 minutes ago, Jeric said:

They would be prevented from accessing the NSFW due to the proposed age gate, that isn't what I meant. One slip outside of the site's control, especially if they mix money into the equation, could be bad. This is how people with money can bully corporations without a large amount of cash on hand into submission. Canada makes it more expensive to bring forth legal action, thankfully. It is still a very serious threat. I've been directly named by an angry parent on the forum when he felt the site didn't protect his kid.

I wouldn't want y'all to get in trouble. If it's too much then I'll turn on anonymous and continue my roam. This place isn't for me. But I can't make it fit. Just like when u tried to force people to watch a pony show. Staying for friends

Edited March 30, 2017 by Lenny

[Corgis 574]

This will never happen nor should it.  The site is almost as old as the show itself and has remained free from clop since it was first made as far as I can tell.  I see no point to add it in now after all that time since it would just start massive arguments across the board and create a whole lot of issues that have already been raised in this thread. There are places all over the internet to get material like that so I see absolutely no point to add it here as well.  I like MLPF and EQD since they do a great job of keeping out of NSFW stuff which is one of the main reasons why I use them so I don't have to worry about scrolling over something which I hope to never see.  

[yeet 2,026]

Porn just doesn't work for a place like this, you're more than welcome to send your friends some on say skype, or discord. But it's a PG-13 site at the end of the day, and checking everyone's age wouldn't work because of the amount of people, and how easily someone can lie.

[LunarShadow 397]

So I think at this point it's been pretty well established that it's in the best intrest of MLPF and the majority of users that NSFW be kept off of this site. This site doesn't need the negative attention that comes with including controversial material like porn.

Edited March 30, 2017 by DayShadow

[Lenny 249]

28 minutes ago, DayShadow said:

So I think at this point it's been pretty well established that it's in the best intrest of MLPF and the majority of users that NSFW be kept off of this site. This site doesn't need the negative attention that comes with including controversial material like porn.

 (Snip this part, said it wrong.)

This place is too kiddish for me. And that's coming from a 14 year old. (Yes, although I'm only 14 I think Ive done more adult things than some of you people know about.)

Edited March 30, 2017 by Lenny

[Frozen The Unicorn 484]

2 minutes ago, Lenny said:

Sometimes kids just have to grow up. Face whats after childhood. This place is too kiddish for me. And that's coming from a 14 year old. (Yes, although I'm only 14 I think Ive done more adult things than some of you people know about.)

 

So, Just to clarify, your Under 18, and your asking for the Forum Staff to put up a section dedicated to Pornography?

 

[LunarShadow 397]

13 minutes ago, Lenny said:

Sometimes kids just have to grow up. Face whats after childhood. This place is too kiddish for me. And that's coming from a 14 year old. (Yes, although I'm only 14 I think Ive done more adult things than some of you people know about.)

Lol its not about "growing up" or facing what's after childhood. It's about preserving the moral integrity of the site and respecting the desires of the majority of users and the majority of users don't want this site to host pony porn. Your 14 and you want this site to allow you to view pony porn on here WTF!

Edited March 30, 2017 by DayShadow

[yeet 2,026]

Porn isn't always after childhood. I mean you don't instantly watch porn when you start growing up, considering millions of people have grown up fine without it. And you should really just stop right now, because you are 14, and even if they agreed and added a nsfw area, you wouldn't access it for another 4 years. Really there could already be a nsfw area somewhere but since you cannot access it you wouldn't know.