What do you think about Joe Biden?

[Cirrus. 1,088]

10 hours ago, Megas said:

Yeah, Trump's done a phenomenal job. Historically high unemployment numbers. Highest infection and death tolls, over 40,000 deaths, most of which could have been entirely preventable if he hadn't spent a good month or 2 claiming the pandemic was a hoax, then backtracking saying it wouldn't be so bad. A crashing market worse than 2008, reaching Depression levels(to the point prices for oil are reaching the negatives). Picking fights with Governers both Democratic and Republican over supplies, and actively confiscating their supplies to the point they have to pretend to be food trucks to actually receive this stuff. Picking fights with reporters because he's so thin-skinned he can't handle the simplest questions and has such a fragile ego he can't handle the thought of people criticizing him and not kissing his ass. Only thing he's done right is hiring Anthony Fauci, and even then he's been trying to undermine him every time he addresses the Coronavirus.

I agree he can't do everything, but his inaction to do anything from the start undoubtedly make things worse. Remember the travel ban that happened? They were still letting people in.
Heck, when it came to local borders, Canada and Mexico closed on us. Addressing the virus has depended entirely on the Governers themselves because, as many will tell you, they can't rely on the president for shit. At this point you better hope to god you're governer isn't shit

The red is a given in this situation for anyone. Things were going pretty good before this in the US.

 

13 hours ago, Cirrus. said:

For people who say Trump is doing a bad job with the virus, He is NOT a magician with a magic wand. The stuff WE NEED comes from CHINA. If you watched him before this pandemic  you would know HE is NOT the one who sold out OUR manufacturing to China...

Believe me I don't think Trump is perfect. There has been a lot of times during this so far where he should've just shut his mouth instead of putting in his 2 cents. He's just gotta get a word in.

I was just saying things are going better at this point than I thought they would be.Things are definitely NOT "Good" here at all. Last thing approaching this was 1917. I think the government knew full well of the country's un-preparedness at the beginning and were just trying to bide time and not fall through the ice. What would you want any leader to say off the bat? "sorry folks we don't have nearly the supplies or logistics for this" That would have incited pandemonium and chaos and I'm sure per-capita numbers would have been WAY worse than Italy. On top of it you have 180+ countries all looking for the same supplies all at once. It would be a bad situation no matter who is in office. Look around your home at how much is made in China. It's definitely a problem being highlighted in these times.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Cirrus.

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11 hours ago, Megas said:

Yeah, Trump's done a phenomenal job. Historically high unemployment numbers. Highest infection and death tolls, over 40,000 deaths, most of which could have been entirely preventable if he hadn't spent a good month or 2 claiming the pandemic was a hoax, then backtracking saying it wouldn't be so bad. A crashing market worse than 2008, reaching Depression levels(to the point prices for oil are reaching the negatives). Picking fights with Governers both Democratic and Republican over supplies, and actively confiscating their supplies to the point they have to pretend to be food trucks to actually receive this stuff. Picking fights with reporters because he's so thin-skinned he can't handle the simplest questions and has such a fragile ego he can't handle the thought of people criticizing him and not kissing his ass. Only thing he's done right is hiring Anthony Fauci, and even then he's been trying to undermine him every time he addresses the Coronavirus.

I agree he can't do everything, but his inaction to do anything from the start undoubtedly make things worse. Remember the travel ban that happened? They were still letting people in.
Heck, when it came to local borders, Canada and Mexico closed on us. Addressing the virus has depended entirely on the Governers themselves because, as many will tell you, they can't rely on the president for shit. At this point you better hope to god you're governer isn't shit

did you forget that Trump tried to ban travel from china early and they called him a racist? and now that the USA is shut down they are crying that he didn't act fast enough to ban travel. before the pandemic we had record low unemployment and everything was trucking along great. not to mention china lied about the pandemic and how bad it was until it had already spread to other countries

Edited April 22, 2020 by simba86

[Cirrus. 1,088]

Another thing on Biden- What worries me greatly is that he is clearly NOT WELL. He's either had mini-strokes, or is starting to show signs of Alzheimer's or Dementia. He should not be running for president in his current state. It also worries me that peoples' rabid hatred for Trump could end up getting Biden elected and we would end up with this...

A puppet president. WTF?!?!?

There's going to be a lot of important decisions that will need to be made when picking up the pieces after this pandemic mess blows over. A guy LITERALLY missing pieces in his mind making these decisions is a terrible idea. I hope people vote with their brains and aren't blinded by their feelings. We're not in normal times as to vote superficially vs critically.

 

Electing Biden right now would be like doing this just because it "feels good."

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Think about it. We're going to have MAJOR problems in the BUSINESS department after this disaster. Guess what Trump is a BUSINESS GUY!

He may literally be an orange-faced loudmouth oaf at times , but he's gotten a lot done in the last 3 years despite BS roadblock after roadblock.

 

A SERIOUS word of warning to think about. IT IS NAIVE not to think China (their gov't) isn't a shark circling the blood in the water now and in the near future.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Cirrus.

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31 minutes ago, Bas said:

They did call him racist not for his travel bans but for labeling covid19 as China virus.

Guess what. People lost their minds when I called it American Virus  here as a mind game. Basically just proving how bad it is to relate the virus to a nationality.

And it surely had way more severe people IRL with that nationality than for people just here on the forums.

If you despise China so much - You shouldn't set it as the bar of how the US supposingly did anything better than them.

Are you talking mostly about him stopping mid sentences? That's better than just forgetting what he said 4 weeks ago.

You mean this "much"?

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I don't despise china but they definitely didn't do the world any favors lying about the virus and actively suppressing the information about how bad it was.

china is like that guy at work that comes in with the flu and passes it off as "just allergies" and makes everyone sick.

[Cirrus. 1,088]

Sorry Bas, Don't hate me I didn't mean to get anyone riled up.

I'm definitely no expert in politics and pandemics. To be short I prefer government to be as least intrusive as possible yet still be effective. I'm not in kindergarten and I don't need a babysitter or need to be wrapped in bubble wrap. I also believe self reliance is a positive. I prefer a reasonable degree of risk vs. being totally taxed to hell "to keep me safe" also. I think obese and over-complicated Bureaucracies are a waste of money and time. Trim and efficient is better. The use of purposeful overtaxing and overregulating/liscensing  as a means to put certain things/rights out of reach of citizens is unethical. I am a big supporter of certain government safety agencies though since large companies (especially in the Oil industry) skimp out and cut corners on training and maintenance resulting in totally stupid and preventable disasters and deaths. CSB and OSHA for example. If you're going to have someone working for you TO HELP you conduct business, Keep your shit in safe working order. Pay your CEO a little less to fix your shit. I'm sure they're not going to suffer with a few million less. A properly managed international border is also important. Pretty much I got my life, you got yours. I pay my taxes and abide by laws.

As for health care though? I really don't have a solution, as I really don't know enough on the subject. The Idea of our government in the US running that for all scares the hell out of me though.

For example this Jackass in the video below is the antithesis of what I want to see in government. Basically what he says "well in this case snitches get rewards" He can F@#K OFF.

 

 

5 hours ago, Bas said:

 

I think there is always a chance this being true. So what to do...? I wonder, is it - also legally - possible for the Dems to get Biden to retire from his run for presidency and switch to another candidate at this point?

I have no Idea and that worries me

 

5 hours ago, Bas said:

23 hours ago, Cirrus. said:

Also ON TAPE he admitted withholding money from Ukraine unless they fired the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son. It seems like HE SEES NOTHING WRONG HERE!?!?

Got any source?

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Bas said:

23 hours ago, Cirrus. said:

I don't like Bernie's policies (Socialism is good for NO ONE- all you end up with is universal SHIT)

Yeah, ALL THAT SHIT in Europe. Don't you see how unhappy we are?

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Sorry I meant communism- Bernie wasn't running on that but he liked Russia (when communist) and praised Cuba a little too much for me. I also go to Canada (more so in the past decade) And a lot of them are unhappy with their Universal Health care system. *I know they're not communist* They complained about unreasonable waits for sometimes quite important things.

 

5 hours ago, Bas said:

Did you actually take a look on the number of cases.

And how are you, given these, NOT "fucked"? You also shouldn't look at the countries handling the crisis the worst and then claim "Oh, at least we are doing better than these" - Is that really a bar and a compliment? It's like person A assaulted others sexually 7 times and person B only 5 times, wow, that person B is a great guy!

You should always thrive for the best things that could be done in order to improve. Always give 100%. And not be like Oh, at least we are not Italy!

Why are you not Germany then, either? That's a bar to meet, not Italy.

I look at the case numbers PER CAPITA. I'm not looking to compliment or insult. We're pretty much blind here in the US in our testing capacity compared to population due to lack of supplies or inefficient logistics. Like I sad were doing better here than I thought we would be by MY OPINION. I was freaking out in early February. I was more worried that it would be absolute pandemonium here in the US in multiple aspects. I mean I almost bought a gun. If things did get to total shit mode- the police would be nowhere in sight.

 

5 hours ago, Bas said:

Again, look at other countries. Germany's politicians and healthcare systems don't have FIM magical powers either, so how did THEY were able to hold it under control so well? It was possible for Germany, why wasn't it for the US?

From my limited knowledge of Germany, they seem to be a much more efficient country and I think they have a better overall education system. More serious overall too.

My parents visited relatives recently in Poland and it was kind of like that in multiple ways.

 

5 hours ago, Bas said:

20 hours ago, Megas said:

icking fights with reporters because he's so thin-skinned he can't handle the simplest questions and has such a fragile ego he can't handle the thought of people criticizing him and not kissing his ass.

That's something that actually definitively favors Biden for me, because he strikes me as someone who can actually handle critique from these and being a butthurt crybaby then. 

Ha ha! you just reminded me, unfortunately I don't have the videos, but Biden has gone off the handle worse than Trump- AND ON POTENTIAL VOTERS at some of his more recent rallies! In one of them he pretty much wanted to punch a guy. I was like WTF!!!  One quote that cracks me up was "But look fat look, here's the deal"

Seriously though, To me it really seems that if he doesn't think he's in direct spotlight and you cross him, he gets pissed and shows it.

 

4 hours ago, Bas said:

Trying to overthrow democratic tools, such as intending to outvote governors if he disagrees with them? Wanting to rule without an opposition? When being refused on a wall to get financed, breaking emergency funds almost against the law in order to still do so like a small child unable to accept a no, instead of having that money available now in a real crisis?

Actively supporting people who break orders and possibly law on demonstrations that are not adhering to prevention against the virus?

Come on! The outvoting the governor thing/ruling without opposition was actually hilarious. Me and my dad were cracking up when he was saying that stuff. It was a great example of reverse psychology. They started collaborating and planning really quick. Then like the next day he says opening is at governors' discretion!

The state demonstrations had mainly biased coverage on the most common news outlets. A few customers at my work (Michigan here) said people were almost all in cars and the lines ended up being 3 miles away from Lansing from all directions. A number of governors here in the US actually were going on power trips and overstepping.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Cirrus.

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That guy can't even talk anymore... or well... I admit people make it worse than it seems, but his cognitive decline will only continue to worsen.

Really the only good reasons to vote for Biden are the courts (poor Ruth), climate change (which he quote, doesn't go as far as he should be), and guns (sorry!). Not that I'm for banning any certain weapon, mind you... I know that can be a religious topic  .

Yeah there's also raising the minimum wage, although tbh I've always been more moderate on that issue.

He can earn my vote by eliminating all big money from interfering in politics. This will fix a myriad of things. Representation and decision-making should prioritize the public good, not the special-interests of the few. This is something everyone should get behind in theory. I can go further but this isn't quite a debate pit thread to warrant making too many points  .

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1 hour ago, Bas said:

6 hours ago, Cirrus. said:

I'm definitely no expert in politics and pandemics.

You don't need to do a full-time study, but a short, independent google search on topics instead of relying on a single news outlet or people sending you links can brightly highlight your horizon.

If we don't do such thing, we are becoming blindly loyal. If we don't want others to dictate upon us, informing ourselves is the way to go.

I'd even go as far as we are obliged to do for at least some research. If we blindly trust anyone leading the country and not making informed choices, we could just as well get dictated by a tyrant.

If we want democracy...maybe we should show some efforts ourselves or we have not earned it.

Definitely.  To be short and simple, Before Trump I never really paid much attention to politics. I started because I thought Trump would be amusing to watch. Instead he lifted up a rock and this is figuratively what jumped out at him and made me fall off of my chair. They've been at his heels ever since with their rabies getting worse as time goes on.

Forgive me if I came across with what may appear to be as too lax or caviler of a tone in previous posts. I've done some research over the last years and have looked at both sides on a lot of issues. I would say for the most part my political view is mostly a mix of Libertarianism and moderate conservatism. The Libertarian aspect representing my lack of trust/faith in govt and my disdain for government growth and overreach but I'm far from an anarchist. As for border/immigration and international relations, I believe that we should be good neighbors but not police, and I'm not keen on globalism (MORE SO AS OF LATE). I think we should be neighborly and trade but International organizations should have limited influence on the country. Those coming in should have the proper paperwork and those wishing to become citizens should go through the proper channels. I'm for realistic environmental regulations but see the oil and gas as vital to energy independence. I despise electricity windmills and other similar film-flammery. The only green from a lot of that lines someone's pockets and creates MORE obnoxious regulations and requirements.

Also the political landscape- along with many other things in this country have been steadily deteriorating/decaying literally and need more attention. For example a sinkhole just 3 miles from my house. stuff like this and water main breaks are happening more often around my area. Some of the freeway overpasses in the area over a major freeway have boards nailed underneath to keep crumbling cement from crashing through your windshield- It's BULLS#IT. This isn't considered a bad/undesirable area either.

 

I also think the far left here has been trying to sell a bad bill of goods to a lot people and they're (the people eating it up) really losing sight of reality and the ability to think critically, instead giving into feelings and impulsiveness.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Cirrus.