EoH have no effect on the Mane 6's lives

[Static Electricity 729]

Okay, here's something that's been bothering me for a long time: one day, the Mane 6 go on this epic adventure, defeating monsters and saving Equestria. The next day, they're solving slice of life problems, going on as if nothing happened.

 

It's like if you grabbed some random person off the street, gave them superpowers, and they continued acting the same way the were before.

 

And nobody treats them differently, not their families, not the townsponies, not the nobility, not even their fellow Elements.

 

For example, in Suited for Success, Rarity is looking for the admiration of the Canterlot nobility. This would be perfectly fine, if it weren't for the fact Rarity IS A FREAKING SUPERWEAPON! THEY should be the ones looking for HER admiration, not vice versa.

 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

Well, that's kind of the way for most cartoons you know.

 

If it's a serious story, then there will usually be a future episode that either further explains this, or is a continuation of the previous episode.

[Scootalove 10,692]

I think Elements aren't actually there to have an effect on their lives, they must be there to give them more power in their friendship. If the show went to a serious tone for a short time, then they can elaborate more in a future episode relating to it.

[Static Electricity 729]

Well, that's kind of the way for most cartoons you know.

 

If it's a serious story, then there will usually be a future episode that either further explains this, or is a continuation of the previous episode.

The difference is that most cartoons either:

 

a: Have no continuity

 

b: They give some reason as to why this happens (i.e. undercover, false identities)

 

c: Plain old crappy writing

 

MLP does none of these things, so you can see why something like this would stick out

Edited September 17, 2013 by Static Electricity

[~StatesTheOblivious~ 1,795]

I actually think that it is better the way it is. Not just because there would no point in any "career and dreams" episodes then, if they'd simply be admired and respected on a high level by everyone in an instant then.

 

If you're just getting attention and admiration for what you are and not for who you are and what you achieved, it's actually of a lesser value. (That's also the reason why I think that the way princesses are "made" in Equestria is far better than in our world)

 

The mane 6 simply are the elements. They didn't really do anything to be them. They didn't ask to be them. They didn't choose to be them. If they would affect their daily lives, the whole point of focus on character development in the show would be weakened. Ponies would just open the possibilities and opportunities for them. They wouldn't need to achieve things on their own or with the help of each other then.

[Hazardus-Havard V.2 27]

The EoH was just there to have a reason for Twilight to meet the other five in this show.  Yes, there are definitely other reasons such as they were chosen to wield them, but for the show to work, they needed a reason for them to actively be together.  This brought them together in a reasonable fashion so they could take down any major baddies, such as NMM and Discord for example.  It did bring them together in other ways as well, such as friendship and harmonious love, along with learning lessons about sharing and kindness and many other great things. 

 

Sadly, the EoH sort of feel... almost phased out due to that Equestrian Girls movie.  While that movie shouldn't technically have any effect on the FiM universe, it's still canon, and it kind of already has with how they're supposed to work.  Twilight's crown, which is the Element of Magic, was able to be activated without the use of any of the other elements, and furthermore, was capable of being used without the original wielders at all.  Add to the fact that it's also been used for evil purposes, this thing doesn't appear like it even needs those six to be used at all.  That movie really did more harm than most people think, since we know they can be used without the others now.

 

Aside from that, the EoH can't just be used all over the place with those six.  The show doesn't surround the elements, it surrounds the ones who wield them and their lives.  Having the EoH in each and every single episode would feel like a burden to the show, so they only pop up when they're really needed, and I really am glad they don't overuse them.

 

I don't know how the EoH are going to be used in the next season.  For all we know, they won't even be mentioned or used in Season Four apart from where Twilight has to wear her crown.

 

As for why they go about their daily lives like nothing happened, maybe that's just part of the mental to those ponies.  The EoH are an honor to them, but they still have lives.  It could be possible that they were brought up, believing that everyone was special in their own ways, so being the bearers was just another thing that made them special, but not better than others.

Edited September 17, 2013 by Hazardus-Havard V.2

[Planty 1,053]

They represent there elements of harmony so I think its kinda just an extension of them!

 

While it may be a little bit out of place, I don't feel like it needs to do that kind of stuff in this show.

 

I guess I have never really thought about this, but I'm happy MLP is MLP and doesn't do it any other way otherwise I wouldn't like the show!

 

Sadly, the EoH sort of feel... almost phased out due to that Equestrian Girls movie.  While that movie shouldn't technically have any effect on the FiM universe, it's still canon, and it kind of already has with how they're supposed to work.  Twilight's crown, which is the Element of Magic, was able to be activated without the use of any of the other elements, and furthermore, was capable of being used without the original wielders at all.  Add to the fact that it's also been used for evil purposes, this thing doesn't appear like it even needs those six to be used at all.  That movie really did more harm than most people think, since we know they can be used without the others now.

 

 

 

This can be explained in 2 ways:

 

1. It was because her friends (which where basically the mane 6 even thought they kind of aren't at the same time), friendship allowed them to activate it because there elements are not really a crown or a necklace but they are in fact there elements.

 

(as yes this is a bit contradictory to past episodes, but I think it's because they friendship has grow over time and so have there powers).

 

2. You could also say in the human world elements work differently, as mentioned the elements seem to have a greater power/influence there then in the FIM realm.

 

I actually like the 2nd better, because although the first one is nice and I think there powers have grown, the second just makes more sense over all and doesn't mess so much with the FIM world!

[Hazardus-Havard V.2 27]

1. It was because her friends (which where basically the mane 6 even thought they kind of aren't at the same time), friendship allowed them to activate it because there elements are not really a crown or a necklace but they are in fact there elements.

 

While I would like to accept this, I can't.  If you recall in the episode where Twilight Sparkle would turn into a princess alicorn, the elements were activated without the other five anywhere at all.  It also means that the elements should technically be tied to them as well in that way, and yet, the crown was capable of being used without Twilight Sparkle since Sunset Shimmer used it to turn into that badass demon.

 

Of course, arguments would continue along the lines of Sunset originally supposed to being the Element of Magic and who Celestia was to apprentice for that role, but ultimately she wasn't, so she still shouldn't have been capable of using it.  (Note that this is speculative information, but we do know that Sunset was Celestia's original apprentice, leading some to believe she was in fact supposed to be the Element of Magic originally)

 

 

2. You could also say in the human world elements work differently, as mentioned the elements seem to have a greater power/influence there then in the FIM realm.

 

This I would actually be happy enough to agree with.  There are still some problems with this, such as magic shouldn't have been able to be used and that the other five technically shouldn't have been capable of that change without the other elements, but this is still arguably the best thing that we can go with for the time being, flawed as the idea is.

[Static Electricity 729]

I actually think that it is better the way it is. Not just because there would no point in any "career and dreams" episodes then, if they'd simply be admired and respected on a high level by everyone in an instant then.

 

I perfectly understand why the writers do it, but that does not solve the problem. The plot hole is still there, we just know why it's there. The reason why an explanation is needed (and why plot holes are bad in general) is that it breaks the suspension of disbelief, making it much harder to enjoy the show than it would be otherwise

 

The EoH was just there to have a reason for Twilight to meet the other five in this show.  Yes, there are definitely other reasons such as they were chosen to wield them, but for the show to work, they needed a reason for them to actively be together.  This brought them together in a reasonable fashion so they could take down any major baddies, such as NMM and Discord for example.  It did bring them together in other ways as well, such as friendship and harmonious love, along with learning lessons about sharing and kindness and many other great things.

 

That's actually something that always bothered me about the. Many of the Mane 6 don't really appear to be good friends (i.e. RD and Rarity), and the Elements are just there to as an excuse for them to be friends with each other.

 

Add to the fact that it's also been used for evil purposes, this thing doesn't appear like it even needs those six to be used at all.  That movie really did more harm than most people think, since we know they can be used without the others now.

 

I actually like that implication, as it portrays the Elements more as super-weapon instead of a general force of good

Edited September 18, 2013 by Static Electricity

[Fhaolan 4,494]

 

 

Sadly, the EoH sort of feel... almost phased out due to that Equestrian Girls movie. While that movie shouldn't technically have any effect on the FiM universe, it's still canon, and it kind of already has with how they're supposed to work. Twilight's crown, which is the Element of Magic, was able to be activated without the use of any of the other elements, and furthermore, was capable of being used without the original wielders at all. Add to the fact that it's also been used for evil purposes, this thing doesn't appear like it even needs those six to be used at all. That movie really did more harm than most people think, since we know they can be used without the others now.

 

One idea that I ran across was that the 'fake' crown Shimmer took into the pony world to switch with the Element of Magic was actually the real Element of Magic from the human world and she didn't realize it. The 'junk' jewelry that human Rarity gave all the other Hu-mane 6 in the dress-up scene were also the real 'human' Elements. They didn't have any power because nobody knew how to turn them on and they were missing a Twilight-analog because Shimmer was being an ass.

 

Which means that there are two Elements of Magic in the ponyverse now, unless Twilight took the 'fake' one back with her and left it there without mentioning it.

 

Overthinking it, of course, but amusing none the less.

[Hazardus-Havard V.2 27]

One idea that I ran across was that the 'fake' crown Shimmer took into the pony world to switch with the Element of Magic was actually the real Element of Magic from the human world and she didn't realize it. The 'junk' jewelry that human Rarity gave all the other Hu-mane 6 in the dress-up scene were also the real 'human' Elements. They didn't have any power because nobody knew how to turn them on and they were missing a Twilight-analog because Shimmer was being an ass.

 

Which means that there are two Elements of Magic in the ponyverse now, unless Twilight took the 'fake' one back with her and left it there without mentioning it.

 

Overthinking it, of course, but amusing none the less.

 

There would be absolutely no reason for the EqG universe to have EoH seeing as magic isn't a thing there, and those things need to be used partially through magic.  Also, that crown Sunset left behind looked like garbage.  Another thing to point out is if that was for some inane reason the human variation to the Element of Magic, I'm pretty certain it would've taken her quite a bit of effort acquiring it.  Why would she do all that work just to replace it with the one she wants?  I doubt there's now two crowns that work as the Element of Magic.

[Fhaolan 4,494]

There would be absolutely no reason for the EqG universe to have EoH seeing as magic isn't a thing there, and those things need to be used partially through magic.  Also, that crown Sunset left behind looked like garbage.  Another thing to point out is if that was for some inane reason the human variation to the Element of Magic, I'm pretty certain it would've taken her quite a bit of effort acquiring it.  Why would she do all that work just to replace it with the one she wants?  I doubt there's now two crowns that work as the Element of Magic.

 

Why would it take any effort to get it, given that it doesn't actually work there? Of course it looked like garbage. So did all the junk jewelry that Rarity gave out. The idea is absurd, but then so are alternate universes where multi-colored people turn into demons because a magic artifact that shouldn't even be working in that universe in the *first* place.

 

It's just an idea to amuse with, don't take it so seriously.

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

I believe that the Elements of Harmony are not tied to the Mane 6, but a force unto themselves. This would be why they do not play a role in the 6's everyday life, they are not tied to them on a personal level. Rather, each of the Mane 6 represents the associated Element, and saturates their life with that virtue, allowing them to wield the Element. By this logic, any set of ponies could use the EoH, this is where the final Element, magic, comes into play.

 

When referring to the Elements of Harmony, magic and friendship can be considered synonymous. In Equestria Girls (canon media is canon media, even if we don't like it), Sunset Shimmer is able to brute force the Element of Magic because she already has a strong command of magic. Because of this, the Element gave her a significant power boost, but I would propose that the amplification it caused came nowhere near the combined power of the Elements when wielded by the Mane 6.

 

Because the Mane 6 embody their respective Element, they can use them with greater effect than other ponies could. In the return of Harmony, when Discord turns them away from their virtues, they are still able to activate the Elements, the magic may not work, but it is activated. Theoretically, an individual Element could have power if properly wielded, it would simply have negligible effect. The reason the Mane 6 are needed to use the Elements is that they are the only group that has the necessary virtues to use the full power of the Elements. Not only do the ponies allow the Elements to work, but the presence of the 6^th Element acts as a channel and guiding force.

 

The Element of Magic is responsible for just that, magic. It acts as a channel for the power of the other Elements, gathering the power into a single form. Because the magic is the Magic of Friendship, the fact that the Mane 6 are friends resonates with it, amplifying the effect. Because Sunset Shimmer did not understand the power of friendship, she only focused her innate ability causing an increase in power, no new power was added. To summarize, each of the Mane 6 wields their respective Element effectively by embodying its virtue, and only when they are brought together with magic and friendship is the true power revealed.

 

In my discourse on the nature of the EoH, I ventured away from the original topic. The title of the thread is "EoH have no effect on the Mane 6's lives", but I would dispute this. The Mane 6's lives are their Elements, whenever they work together to solve a problem, they are combining those magics in a subtle way. The EoH solve nearly every problem they have, but through the ponies and not the devices. The reason that using the Elements doesn't make them famous is that the Elements are regarded separately from the wielders as a power unto themselves, the Mane 6 (to the rest of Equestria) are just normal ponies.

[FNGRpony 658]

Okay, here's something that's been bothering me for a long time: one day, the Mane 6 go on this epic adventure, defeating monsters and saving Equestria. The next day, they're solving slice of life problems, going on as if nothing happened.

 

It's like if you grabbed some random person off the street, gave them superpowers, and they continued acting the same way the were before.

 

And nobody treats them differently, not their families, not the townsponies, not the nobility, not even their fellow Elements.

 

For example, in Suited for Success, Rarity is looking for the admiration of the Canterlot nobility. This would be perfectly fine, if it weren't for the fact Rarity IS A FREAKING SUPERWEAPON! THEY should be the ones looking for HER admiration, not vice versa.

 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this

 

 

Wow great points.

 

Rarity the super weapon  (LOL) sorry, every time i say that in my mind i can't stop laughing.

IF you go with equistra girls interpretetation they inheritly have those powers, yeah i could see your point.

 

I think the main problem is Twilight kinda over shadows them?

Or pinkee's to goofy to be thoguht off as a super weapon?

 

or all the individual things about them that makes them approachable.

 

Kinda like how lious lane thinks of super man as clark kent.

Flutter shy to all the local yocals is still gonna be their lovable scaredy cat so forth and so on.

Good point op.  good point.

The difference is that most cartoons either:

 

a: Have no continuity

 

b: They give some reason as to why this happens (i.e. undercover, false identities)

 

c: Plain old crappy writing

 

MLP does none of these things, so you can see why something like this would stick out

 

 

I BEG YOUR PARDON?  NO crappy writing? 

 

OH NO you didn't lol

Twilights brother puffing out of thing air

A alicorn princess puffing out of thin air

the supreme being, losing a fight with a ROGue of all things.

 

breaking into castle when you control the guy who can just shot off the power grid....no bad writing he says.

 

 

I mean no bad writing, the cc has a unicorn that can't use magic and a peg that can't fly,

and yet the cakes have babies that can do both.

 

I mean unless their prodigies.

Edited September 18, 2013 by FNGRpony

[~StatesTheOblivious~ 1,795]

I perfectly understand why the writers do it, but that does not solve the problem. The plot hole is still there, we just know why it's there. The reason why an explanation is needed (and why plot holes are bad in general) is that it breaks the suspension of disbelief, making it much harder to enjoy the show than it would be otherwise

 

Okay, maybe the rest of my post was a bit difficult to understand. I don't see it as a plot hole because I think that the way a pony is respected by others has in their society nothing to do with what you are by birth/status/... but with what you achieved by yourself and how others see you because of that.

 

Just being an element doesn't mean you deserve more than a standard level of respect. And if you don't even need to be seen as something better just because you are one, I'd say it's actually of no relevance for one's status and maybe even a sign of humility and modesty. Why should others see you any differnt then?

 

I know, you could say, saving the world is a big deal, but I don't think that even the mane 6 themselves see it as something they need to talk about all the time or expect it to be something that makes other ponies respect them.

 

That's just how I see and construe it.

Edited September 18, 2013 by Tender Voice

[Shawn Parks 1,799]

For example, in Suited for Success, Rarity is looking for the admiration of the Canterlot nobility. This would be perfectly fine, if it weren't for the fact Rarity IS A FREAKING SUPERWEAPON! THEY should be the ones looking for HER admiration, not vice versa.

 

Yes, that has always bothered me as well.  Especially when the rest of the mane six arrive, and the Canterlot elites do not think that they are important ponies.  I am shouting:  "They are the Element's of Harmony!  They have saved Equestria twice so far!  What have you done that is so important?!  Show some respect!!!"

[Static Electricity 729]

I BEG YOUR PARDON?  NO crappy writing? 

 

I'd forgotten about that. What I meant to say was that MLP isn't consistently crappy, although I must agree with Anthony in this episode

 

BTW, thanks for posting that video, it reminded me to re-watch and rant on Canterlot Wedding

[Endblock 4]

I think I like that the elements don't really impact their lives very much, but I would like to see them even referenced outside of season openings and closings. The thing about this that really doesn't make sense to me is that it seems like nopony knows who they are... The best example would be how in "Sweet and Elite" it seems like nopony knew who they were. They are the freaking main defense for your country and personal friends with your rulers (debatable) ... You should know these things.

[Outkin 35]

I just had a thought....does anyone even know about the elements of harmony?

 

Twilight only found out about after doing some research in some musty old books that the common pony wouldn't normally take time to read, and the rest of the bearers only found out about them from her. Then everyone that has mentioned it in conversation in some way (hence they know about it) have been royalty irrc.

 

Then, the only four times they were used so far:

Friendship is magic part 2: Out in the everfree forest, where most ponies fear to tread. 

Return of harmony part 2: With all the chaos that day, witnesses probably thought it was the work of discord

Keep calm and flutter on: They were outside of town, probably out of sight since they wanted to keep discord a secret anyways.

Equestria Girls: Another dimension....need I say more?

 

So it's possible that they don't even know of the elements, or their bearers.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Outkin

[Galen 1,354]

Personally, I don't see where exactly the elements of harmony give each individual greater power. RD, for instance, succeeded in creating the sonic rainboom not because she carries the element of loyalty, but because she IS loyal. It was her determination and will to save Rarity, despite how much of a bitch she was to her throughout the episode, that allowed her to do it. Similarly to the first time she'd done it, which was to save Fluttershy's honor.

 

The elements of harmony themselves do not give its bearers any more power than they already have. It is when they are all together that the full magic of friendship takes form and enables the mane 6 to accomplish great feats. They ARE the elements, not the crude metal necklaces and tiaras. So it makes perfect sense that their day to day lives wouldn't change when the jewlery does nothing more than confirm that which they already are.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Freedan

[FNGRpony 658]

well anthony c in his second mlp video states that rain bow dash does have a fan club.

 

But he's the only one.  (she heh sorry I always mistake rainboy for a boy lol).  No that's not a childish jab. I really do.

 

As for continue you get that in the future episode where rainbow has the eye patch.  in lesson 0 their establish twilight is OCD.

They continue that theme in that later episode. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QUwiLyTTCQ

 

I liked bringing that up because of pinkie, twilight, and spike, pinkie is the sane one in that episode.

But yeah the elements are pretty much more an assault rifle.

 

to the op.  Do you think owning a Ak 47 would change you as a person?

there you go ^^

[Galen 1,354]

to the op.  Do you think owning a Ak 47 would change you as a person?

there you go ^^

 

This is effectively the only part of your post I could make any sense of, and strictly speaking, owning an AK can change you. Owning a weapon gives you a sense of empowerment which you previously did not have because it gives you the power to decide whether or not you can end someone's life. That's the kind of instrument an AK is, or any gun for that matter.

 

As I've explained, that's not true for the elements of harmony. For one, they don't kill. Secondly, like I said, they don't give the mane 6 any more power than they already have because the EoH are manifestations of those prevailing aspects of their existing personality traits. They are not instruments of power and most definitely not weapons.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Freedan

[Outkin 35]

well anthony c in his second mlp video states that rain bow dash does have a fan club.

 

To further my own theory, was this club set up because they liked rainbow dash for being the element of loyalty, or because she's rainbow dash? Oddly the former....yet rainbow dash would be the most likely out of the mane 6 (tied very close with rarity) to brag about that. She has been shown to go overboard with that, even to the point of her friends needing to put her in her place, yet she draws the line at being a superweapon....as if she's keeping it a secret. It kind of makes sense though, you wouldn't want everyone to know you had an ace in your back pocket, or a ninja bodyguard standing behind them. They would then be able to anticipate your trump card and maybe even best it... look at discord for example. He knew alot about the elements, and knew all he had to do was cause discord (no pun intended) between the friends to disarm them. Now, if everyone knew this, we would have a new villain every episode...this actually could be interesting just maybe XD but from the view of a monarch who wants to keep her kingdom safe....not as much.