Does anyone hate misanthropic fan fictions?

[Bendy 1,821]

Does anyone hate misanthropic stories? Like stories that bash the Human race, and portray the Ponies as the perfect beings, yet hate all Humanity? 

 

First misanthropy (negative thinking) may be a common trait among many sapient races. Especially if (multiverse theory/fan fiction) there's a universe of MLP FIM, where there are some Ponies with a mindset and similar intentions like Adolf Hitler.

 

Every single sapient life form, if truly sapient is capable of doing evil stuff. (and also multiverse theory). The Krogan from Mass Effect had a nuclear war, it was only by their sheer adaptability and resistance to radiation did they manage to survive the nuclear winter.

 

Ponies perfect? Nothing is perfect. Sure, your lives may be happier than us Humans, but what happens if the Borg, the Combine from Half Life or something like the Reapers attack? Not so perfect now, huh?

 

Granted, the Borg, the Combine and the Reapers are jerks, but still are somewhat "perfect", at least by the survivability and killing everything part, but are not the kind of people you'd want as a friend and are also very anti social.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Rush

[Scootalove 10,689]

I don't actually hate them. Sure, they label humanity as an evil race but they don't know that ponies are not perfect either. So, yeah.

[Esk 201]

This is essentially the problem with most Human In Equestria fanfictions.

A good chunk of the time, out protagonist is some bitter, misanthropic soul who hates his life, everyone else around him, and won't even bother trying to turn his life around until he goes to Equestria through some asspulled series of events where he realizes, "oh yeah, life back on Earth is worth living and I'd enjoy myself more if I wasn't so small-minded and hateful."

[Malinter 3,064]

Equestria has punishments even Humans do have. Spells that reform you against your will. Imprisoned alive in Stone/Shadow/Ice (possibly forever, pretty damn cruel) unless your like Discord/NMM/Sombra  who aren't mortal in the normal sense and can wait until the spell wears off.. 

Edited October 5, 2013 by Greenfield

[Batbrony 16,051]

I don't read them (seeing as I generally don't read HiE stories in general, or vice versa where a pony goes to the human world, with the exception of course of that one time over a year and a half ago when I read "My Little Dashie"), but I certainly don't think it's a healthy theme to propagate in fan fiction, nor realistic.  As a writer, I can safely say that if you're more or less writing an entire race as a bunch of Mary Sues and Gary Stus, well, that's just plain unrealistic and downright bad writing, so obviously I for one would never support the idea of propagating misanthropy in MLP fan fiction, especially whilst also simultaneously placing ponies on some kind of pedestal.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Batbrony

[Flutter's lover <3 8,205]

Coming from the furry fandom, I've seen/read many of these types of fanfics/stories.....Most of them sound the same more or less...and a lot are rather sad.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Yes, a lot. The whole idea in and of itself is hypocritical because the concept of the misanthropy wouldn't exist at all if humans were evil as a whole, because we wouldn't care how evil we were. It's also arrogant because the writer usually assumes only themselves and the company they keep are truly good people. 

Edited October 26, 2013 by Shoboni

[Hive King 2,001]

Oh God, these fanfics. They tick me off! They go both ways though. There are fanfics where they're incredibly misanthropic to ponies 

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/31216/the-conversion-bureau-thus-saith-the-lord This comes to mind. I know it's a biblical retelling, but the way God deals with the ponies is evil by any definition. Lowering yourself to the standard of your foe is just as bad.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Oh God, these fanfics. They tick me off! They go both ways though. There are fanfics where they're incredibly misanthropic to ponies 

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/31216/the-conversion-bureau-thus-saith-the-lord This comes to mind. I know it's a biblical retelling, but the way God deals with the ponies is evil by any definition. Lowering yourself to the standard of your foe is just as bad.

 

I don't know if I want to read a fic that long just to see, but that seems like a fun way to take the piss out of TCB and the parallels between Celestia's treatment of humans and the way the Pharoh treated his slaves seem like a good way to show how horrifically the fic as her acting.  

 

Or I could be wrong and could be a religion-fic mess like The Prayer Warriors, could go either way. 

Edited October 26, 2013 by Shoboni

[Hive King 2,001]

I don't know if I want to read a fic that long just to see, but that seems like a fun way to take the piss out of TCB and the parallels between Celestia's treatment of humans and the way the Pharoh treated his slaves seem like a good way to show how horrifically the fic as her acting.  

 

Or I could be wrong and could be a religion-fic mess like The Prayer Warriors, could go either way. 

That's not the problem. The problem is that God in this story is demented. He killed 25% of Equestria, most of which had been raised form birth to love Celestia. Basically, if the roles had been reversed, people would be screaming about how misanthropic it was.

[Pomfritter 165]

Life is too short to hate anything. And besides, it's a story, and it's "fiction", so I can't really care that much. It's not meant to be taken as a new bible. It's just a story.

[Bendy 1,821]

Do you hate stories that bash Humanity?

 

As in; Humanity sucks, Ponies are superior master race, Humans are evil scum and should have xenocide committed on them because they evil.

 

Frankly, I find them immature, annoying and hypocritical.  

 

For example in Mass Effect the Krogan almost took over the entire galaxy and ruthless committed killed everyone on a every planet they took by force, sure the Genophage was dropped on them. And yet the other aliens races didn't outright destroy them, despite what they done in the past. And Krogan could breed a sustainable amount of children even with the Genophage, but they are too busy killing each other and fighting over their radioactive home (they had a nuclear war) world. And many Krogan don't care about having kids anymore due to the Genophage and become mercenaries.

 

Surely, if the Krogan could do that and be spared, Humanity would be spared too.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Rush

[TwilightDreamer 69]

Actually, doesn't that hold true to humanity today? We're all cruel monsters and we don't stop committing such mountains of sins, not even once.

[Delernil 952]

Humans are fucking stupid idiots.

 

But they can also show compassion and kindness. There is a point where I hate bashing humanity. But for the most part it is deserved.

[Moonlight 7,286]

I don't mind stories that bashes humanity in the slightest, as long as the story is good, I mean. I tend to say rude things about humanity a good amount of the time but humanity does have it good sides. To simply say humanity is amazing is just silly, just as it is to say it's all bad. 

[Night Shine 767]

Well, it depends. I actually do view ponies as superior to humans, but I have a scientific justification for that which also shows why ponies are inferior in some respects as well. Here, I'll provide a detailed explanation that I made in an earlier post when refuting the idea that teenage rebellion exists in Equestria...

 

 

 

Humans, as relatives of predators, tend to have aggressive tendencies. This aggressiveness, as well as the stubbornness of the desire to be the Alpha of the predator group, may be somewhat responsible for the inherent aggressive tendencies of human nature.

In contrast, the ponies of Equestria are effectively the same, with one key difference: instead of being superintelligent predators, they are superintelligent prey. They have much more of a herd mentality than humans, as seen in 1) the powerful dislike of outsiders in Ponyville which led to problems with Zecora and Luna, but was easy to rectify due to ease at which the crowd's mood changes after a catalyst mood-changer such as Pinkie Pie tries to spread an emotion (fear, joy, etc), 2) the hair-trigger nature of paranoia of the ponies of Ponyville, such that they tend to overreact and panic in situations that do not always call for it (I'll admit that this one is debatable), 3) the extreme ease with which crowds are manipulated in Equestria, for good and for evil (primarily referencing the Flim Flam Brothers), and 4) the overarching sense of family and community that binds the ponies together in friendship, noticeably much more than that of humans.

The point of this is that one of the greatest differences between the predator and prey mentalities are that the former struggles with aggression and the latter with fear. Given that teenage rebellion, and teenager-dom as a whole, are defined primarily by their aggressive tendency to rebel against authority--which would naturally be less in a herd of prey-species than a pack of predator-species--the age of being a teenager might not exist in Equestria. "Teen" ponies might simply have a smooth transition from childhood to adulthood without experiencing the thrill, anger, and rebellious passion of being a teenager. This then explains the lack of appreciation for the night that led to Luna's mental and emotional corruption.


As a disclaimer, I will state that the theory I posited above is probably much more extreme than the fictional truth of the MLP universe. 

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Yes, mainly because it's hypocrisy. Humans created the work and shaped Equestria and ponykind. That must mean that those positive traits it has exist somewhere in humanity as well, or we wouldn't have written about them. Misanthropy disproves itself, because if humanity was inherently evil we wouldn't care, and thus would openly indulge in evil acts instead of being disgusted and disheartened by them.   

Edited February 7, 2014 by Shoboni

[Bendy 1,821]

Actually, doesn't that hold true to humanity today? We're all cruel monsters and we don't stop committing such mountains of sins, not even once.

 

Uh, survival. And everyone and including Ponies can be just as bad or good than everyone else. And also aliens could be just as much of a jerk than us.

 

If the hypothetical event MLP FIM Ponies actually exist, that also means Princess Celestia and other Ponies in some universes across the multiverse has willingly taken the essence of Bhaal to become the Lord of Murder.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Rush

[XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 777]

It depends on how the story is composed, but most of the time I don't really care. 

 

The problem that I have is that because of social media and the very nature of the internet, we see more of the negative side of humanity vs the good side. Thus, this has lead me to encounter more cynical users of the net believing that humanity is a form of blight upon the world. We have just as much good traits as bad. My theory is that much like how we all have our "rebel against everything" phase, I feel as though it's simply another phase the individual is going through when creating/posting such stories/blogs. 

[Windseeker 546]

Actually, doesn't that hold true to humanity today? We're all cruel monsters and we don't stop committing such mountains of sins, not even once.

Yeah but we don't do it in the name of species supremacy.

 

Pony superiority doesn't make sense to me; I am a human who loves the show, Bonnie Zacherle is a human who made the show happen, and mankind domesticated the equine for more than three thousand years. To admire a fictitious utopia created by man then wish death on humanity's part upon experiencing it is extremely hypocritical and silly. I actually told some bronies this on a similar topic on NationStates and they seriously told me that Equestria exists in a alternate universe, zealously sticking to that dumb idea.

 

The fact they weren't trolling is the sad part.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

It depends on how the story is composed, but most of the time I don't really care. 

 

The problem that I have is that because of social media and the very nature of the internet, we see more of the negative side of humanity vs the good side. Thus, this has lead me to encounter more cynical users of the net believing that humanity is a form of blight upon the world. We have just as much good traits as bad. My theory is that much like how we all have our "rebel against everything" phase, I feel as though it's simply another phase the individual is going through when creating/posting such stories/blogs. 

 

Essentially. I think I read somewhere that the world isn't getting worse(in fact, it's the opposite in many cases), it's just that the free and unrestrained flow of information the digital age has brought makes it so our face is rubbed in every bad thing that happens.

 

So it's not that more bad things are happening, it's just that the average person knows about a great deal more of those horrible events then they would have back when communication and spreading information was harder.  

[Silver Letter 1,832]

I don't mind hearing about those stories if they are built upon a sound basis. Stories that exist for the purposes of joining a bandwagon would not be valuable for an intellectual discussion.

[Metemponychosis 1,259]

I can tolerate all kinds of stories like that. Wherever they bash humanity, idolize it or treat it as anything in between those two. I think that it's up to the author to convince me that the facet of mankind he is showing me is believable. Honestly, I think that the problem is more with the reader than with the story. Unless it is said explicitly, and it's not just some characters' opinion, saying that a story is bashing or praising humanity is stupid.

 

 

Honestly, there is not a single day I don't lose a little faith in humanity, while every now and then I see something that makes me think that there is some hope for a better future. It's like taking three steps backwards and managing to take a step forward. So these stories are like escaping reality. I don't think that ponies are perfect, nor do I think that all humanity deserves to die (just a big chunk of it ). It's just that a scenario where humanity is really going down the drain and needs help is not too difficult for me to accept, like Chatoyance's. Could be any other race coming to help, but it's about ponies. So fine. Humans need help. Ponies are trying to help. I'm okay with this as long as the story is interesting in some way.

[Nohbdy 4,108]

Does anyone hate misanthropic stories? Like stories that bash the Human race, and portray the Ponies as the perfect beings, yet hate all Humanity? 

 

First misanthropy (negative thinking) may be a common trait among many sapient races. Especially if (multiverse theory/fan fiction) there's a universe of MLP FIM, where there are some Ponies with a mindset and similar intentions like Adolf Hitler.

 

Every single sapient life form, if truly sapient is capable of doing evil stuff. (and also multiverse theory). The Krogan from Mass Effect had a nuclear war, it was only by their sheer adaptability and resistance to radiation did they manage to survive the nuclear winter.

 

Ponies perfect? Nothing is perfect. Sure, your lives may be happier than us Humans, but what happens if the Borg, the Combine from Half Life or something like the Reapers attack? Not so perfect now, huh?

 

Granted, the Borg, the Combine and the Reapers are jerks, but still are somewhat "perfect", at least by the survivability and killing everything part, but are not the kind of people you'd want as a friend and are also very anti social.

Hi. I noticed that you made a thread for the same topic a few months ago. I've merged your new thread with the older one so that the discussion goes in one place. 

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

Did you really just bring up Chatoyance as an example? Not only is she just kind of an ass-hole in the comments, her "master race" are basically nazis.

 

The Ponies effectively commit genocide via mind-rape, are incredibly arrogant about it, and torture people to get them to join her cause. This is somehow portrayed as good thing. The Celestia in her stories is an arrogant xenophobe on the level of Anti-Spiral