gaming Is it wrong if I defend the Wii U, platformers, and Nintendo themselves?

[FractalMoon 378]

Its not wrong in any way at all. We all have our preferences in genre, and yours happens to be platformers.

If thats wrong then an CoD player defending FPS games is wrong!

It is. CoD is responsible for much of the stigma associated with gaming, as a hobby, an art form, and a legitimate sport.

[GrimCW 658]

 

 

It is.

As such perhaps, but the defending the genre as being fun it is not. As the game is part of the genre regardless of what most would care to say of it (not saying I care for the games of late either ) 

[Scootalove 10,689]

It is not wrong to defend Nintendo in any way, we have that one company that we defend until the end so it is normal for someone to defend a company like Nintendo.

[Mutemutt 773]

Not really. If you like Nintendo and platformers, etc. go ahead and defend them -- heck, you can defend them even if you don't like them -- but in the same vein, I don't think it's wrong for others to "attack" them. What I mean is that most of this is subjective opinions and there shouldn't be a problem with expressing those in a respectful way.

[Divided 1]

Nintendo probably isn't what it used to be. But that doesn't take away that they are still an important part of the gaming industry and they still can turn out quality products. If you like those things then that is your choice. Don't listen to him.

[Barbaloot 198]

No, the Wii U is amazing. Because the Wii U re-gave us Earthbound. And Earthbound is amazing.

 

This is why the SNES was the best console ever made. It had Earthbound on it.

[Flareon 151]

It's not wrong to defend something that you like or enjoy. I do the same thing with certain things that I do when someone says that it's dumb or something like that. I can't say much on the Wii U since I grew up with Nintendo and fell off their wagon after the Wii and went to Xbox. So I'm don't know too much on the Wii U since my fav consoles that they had were NES, SNES, N64, and Gamecube. I never could get into the Wii mainly because I didn't really like the whole motion gaming and the feel of the weird controlers. Anyway going back to the topic. Everyone has there own opinion on certain matters or subjects and that's just what your brother's opinion is probably because he's more into the basic FPS games or more bias towards another game console or company. 

 

I personally wouldn't take much stock into it, or even worry about it. If you enjoy playing the Wii U games then just continue doing what you enjoy. There's no sense in changing your view or questioning yourself based on someone's opinion of the things you like. Just shrug it off and go on with playing the Wii U.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Ninetails

[Shanks 10,816]

You like what you like and there is nothing wrong with that. The Wii U is a system with its potential but although your brothers criticisms are a bit immature and fanboyish (calling it outright garbage is a bit much) they do have some truth to them. The Wii U dosen't have that many games, the Playstation 4 and Xbox One don't either but the Wii U had a whole year head start and I think should have had more games by now. So far Nintendo is doing a little bit better with 3rd party support with the Wii U but has a lot of catching up to do but still seems to make the same mistake by being far too reliant on its core franchises. Don't get me wrong, I love Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong ect but what made Nintendo successful was the fact that they were willing to expiriment with new properties and during the NES and Super Nes era locked up deals with several companies to make games for their consoles. Appealing to casual gamers and families is a wise decision they should by all means stick with as it is much of the reason the Wii was so sucessful but there is no reason why they can't continue to do this in addition to appealing to the core gamers many of whom like myself have been nintendo fans since the days of the 8 and 16 bit eras.

[Tigerpop198 696]

I don't like Nintendo, doesn't give me the right to spread hate about it though. If you like Nintendo, you have all the right in the world to defend it.

[Fubz 300]

Nintendo probably isn't what it used to be. But that doesn't take away that they are still an important part of the gaming industry and they still can turn out quality products. If you like those things then that is your choice. Don't listen to him.

Yeah don't listen to him and you'll be able to defend your point and have a really stupid discussion. You always love that guy who completely dismisses your argument, it's amazingly intellectual. Great advice 11/10

 

(Don't do this)

 

You like what you like and there is nothing wrong with that. The Wii U is a system with its potential but although your brothers criticisms are a bit immature and fanboyish (calling it outright garbage is a bit much) 

Calling it garbage isn't a bit much, as long as you can back up your claim. Funny though, his claims were more immature and fanboyish than his brothers.

 

It is. CoD is responsible for much of the stigma associated with gaming, as a hobby, an art form, and a legitimate sport.

I think the players are to blame and not the game itself.

[FaZe Vinyl 521]

It is. CoD is responsible for much of the stigma associated with gaming, as a hobby, an art form, and a legitimate sport.

Now, I get the hate for Call of Duty, I really do, but to say that it flushed out the industry is incredibly dumb. Let's look at some stats since 2007, since it was when CoD got popular. For simple purposes, I'll only use sales numbers from the years they come out.

 

 

2007:

 

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (3rd)

Halo 3 (1st)

 

2008:

 

Call of Duty: World At War (6th)

 

2009:

 

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2nd)

 

2010:

 

Call of Duty: Black Ops (1st)

Halo: Reach (3rd)

 

2011:

 

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (4th)

 

2012:

 

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (1st)

Halo 4 (3rd)

Borderlands 2 (7th)

 

2013:

 

Call of Duty: Ghosts (2nd)

Bioshock Infinite (10th)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see, FPS games haven't been "obliterating" the scene for consoles since their major popularity came to be. We see 2-3 major titles a year, and the rest is populated with various other titles, so the argument that "CoD is killing all creativity" is farfetched at best.

[Barbaloot 198]

Now, I get the hate for Call of Duty, I really do, but to say that it flushed out the industry is incredibly dumb. Let's look at some stats since 2007, since it was when CoD got popular. For simple purposes, I'll only use sales numbers from the years they come out.

 

As you can see, FPS games haven't been "obliterating" the scene for consoles since their major popularity came to be. We see 2-3 major titles a year, and the rest is populated with various other titles, so the argument that "CoD is killing all creativity" is farfetched at best.

You don't call being consistently 4th and above (except that one game) as being dominant?

[Demonic Soulz 483]

I want a Wii U so no it fine you protect it besides you both got your opinions so it shouldnt really matter should it?

[Fubz 300]

I want a Wii U so no it fine you protect it besides you both got your opinions so it shouldnt really matter should it?

Well yeah, what if they wanted to discuss their opinions maybe?

[Zygen 6,066]

I don't think i'd even bother defending it, just be like, you like what you like, and i like what i do. 

 

There isn't anything wrong with having opinions or liking different game consoles... Despite what some console fanboys may tell you.

 

I own a Xbox360 and A wii,(And a 3DS) I also own a Ps2, And i use to have a few PC games i played when i had a competent PC.

 

Who cares, buy whatever consoles you want, others opinions shouldn't matter, i just buy consoles because of games i want to play on them basically. 

 

Everyones opinions and taste in games won't be the same, and Nintendo still makes nice fun games i enjoy, so i will still buy their products.

 

Will everyone agree with me? No, and thats fine, its not like everyone has to buy the same console, same goes for Xbox, Playstation, Pc, whatever.

[Fubz 300]

You don't call being consistently 4th and above (except that one game) as being dominant?

I think what's happened is that they both don't know what they're talking about so you end up with random arguments with big words and lots of stats to look smart.

 

I mean the first person just clearly stated if you play CoD it's wrong to defend FPSs which makes no sense at all. "Oh no Sir! It seems in your records you have played Call of Duty! *gasp* You disgust me, how dare you talk about FPSs!"

And this second guy's saying CoD's not popular so it's not flushing out the industry or destroying creativity. What's that got to do with anything, did you copy that argument from another thread or something?

[~Sugar Sprinkles~ 638]

If it wasn't for Nintendo, then there probably would not be any Play stations or Xboxs. They basically, got their ideas from Nintendo, considering, they have copied Nintendo a little, with permission, obviously. I like Nintendo AND Sony though. I grew up with both. More of Nintendo though. 

 

Nintendo is like...the first world wide videogaming company. Sure, they weren't the first to make a system, but they continued on. They used to be a card company :x

 

Do not feel bad for being a Nintendo fan. Nintendo WILL NOT die out in 10 years, considering right now, this year, the Wii-U and 3DS sit at the most highest rated gaming systems right now. I seen the gaming news. I;ve had people come up to me and say Nintendo "sucks" and its always so "Kiddish" and its not as "badass" as Sony or Microsoft. Psh, if Nintendo would never have made its first system, then, there would be NO Playstations or Xboxs. I just look at the people who point out the negativity and laugh. 

 

Never listen to those losers who say Nintendo is a "worth of time" or it will "die out".

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

Not at all.

 

Just stick to what you like as well as what your natural preference is, which in this case happens to be Nintendo, platformers, and the underrated, but that last part is just me.  

 

Don't submit to his stubborn argument, most who hate Nintendo or like COD tend to act that way.

[Fubz 300]

If it wasn't for Nintendo, then there probably would not be any Play stations or Xboxs. They basically, got their ideas from Nintendo, considering, they have copied Nintendo a little, with permission, obviously. I like Nintendo AND Sony though. I grew up with both. More of Nintendo though.

 

Nintendo is like...the first world wide videogaming company. Sure, they weren't the first to make a system, but they continued on. They used to be a card company :x

 

Do not feel bad for being a Nintendo fan. Nintendo WILL NOT die out in 10 years, considering right now, this year, the Wii-U and 3DS sit at the most highest rated gaming systems right now. I seen the gaming news. I;ve had people come up to me and say Nintendo "sucks" and its always so "Kiddish" and its not as "badass" as Sony or Microsoft. Psh, if Nintendo would never have made its first system, then, there would be NO Playstations or Xboxs. I just look at the people who point out the negativity and laugh.

 

Never listen to those losers who say Nintendo is a "worth of time" or it will "die out".

Not sure why you used a worse colour and font but anyways let's have a look at this.

 

True the Playstation wouldn't exist if it weren't for Nintendo but they're the ones who were smart enough to see the potential in it so surely that proves Sony better?

What does the XBox owe to Nintendo?

Oh wait the evidence you used shows you don't know what you're talking about, you're talking about games then? So how/when did they copy Nintendo?

 

Not sure what being a card company has anything to do with... anything really.

 

Highest rated? In terms of what? By what? What? Sorry, excuse me I meant the most highest rated. You saw the gaming news, please elaborate.

 

Again never ignore people's arguments. You guys are the worst at giving advice. I mean seriously?

"Hey guys I need help on how to argue my point"

"IGNORE THEIR ARGUMENT AND SHOVE YOURS DOWN THEIR THROAT"

Or some of you are bland enough to say "just ignore"

You should be able to beat those 'losers' intellectually if you really do believe your argument is right.

Don't submit to his stubborn argument, most who hate Nintendo or like COD tend to act that way.

That's a rather large and inaccurate generalisation, and his argument was hardly stubborn. OP was just too weak to defend at all.

[~Sugar Sprinkles~ 638]

Not sure why you used a worse colour and font but anyways let's have a look at this.

 

True the Playstation wouldn't exist if it weren't for Nintendo but they're the ones who were smart enough to see the potential in it so surely that proves Sony better?

What does the XBox owe to Nintendo?

Oh wait the evidence you used shows you don't know what you're talking about, you're talking about games then? So how/when did they copy Nintendo?

 

Not sure what being a card company has anything to do with... anything really.

 

Highest rated? In terms of what? By what? What? Sorry, excuse me I meant the most highest rated. You saw the gaming news, please elaborate.

 

Again never ignore people's arguments. You guys are the worst at giving advice. I mean seriously?

"Hey guys I need help on how to argue my point"

"IGNORE THEIR ARGUMENT AND SHOVE YOURS DOWN THEIR THROAT"

Or some of you are bland enough to say "just ignore"

You should be able to beat those 'losers' intellectually if you really do believe your argument is right.

 

That's a rather large and inaccurate generalisation, and his argument was hardly stubborn. OP was just too weak to defend at all.

 

 

You really dont have to be a little rude about this, for pretty much Nintendo is the highest rated. It get sold FAST. And yes, it did used to be a card compant in Japan in like the 1800s or something like that. And What does Xbox owe? Really, they were the 3rd system installment. So, maybe I was a little wrong, so frankly it took after Play station too. 

 

And really? Was this really an arguement to offended ANYONE? I was pointing out the positive to help out this fellow Brony to prove Nintendo is NOT a bad thing to defend.

 

Man, people totally get butthurt over people's help xD this post wasn't even towards you, thanks?

 

Oh, and how did they copy Nintendo, Playstation did come out with a REMOTE?

 

 

 

 

 

And Playstation with PERMISSION did also do this

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I am allowed to used colored font, thanks. Its my Signature.

Edited January 27, 2014 by Moon Moon

[FractalMoon 378]

You really dont have to be a little rude about this, for pretty much Nintendo is the highest rated. It get sold FAST. And yes, it did used to be a card compant in Japan in like the 1800s or something like that. And What does Xbox owe? Really, they were the 3rd system installment. So, maybe I was a little wrong, so frankly it took after Play station too.

 

And really? Was this really an arguement to offended ANYONE? I was pointing out the positive to help out this fellow Brony to prove Nintendo is NOT a bad thing to defend.

 

Man, people totally get butthurt over people's help xD this post wasn't even towards you, thanks?

 

Oh, and how did they copy Nintendo, Playstation did come out with a REMOTE?

 

 

 

 

 

And Playstation with PERMISSION did also do this

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I am allowed to used colored font, thanks. Its my Signature.

By your logic Nintendo owes everything to Microsoft, with Xbox as a corollary, for the capability to play games from optical media.

Edited January 27, 2014 by Moon Moon

[Fubz 300]

By your logic Nintendo owes everything to Microsoft, with Xbox as a corollary, for the capability to play games from optical media.

I don't know. That last part in the first paragraph is extremely vague. It could mean anything really, expect a confusing response I'd say.

 

But yes by SS's earlier logic that would be correct.

[FaZe Vinyl 521]

You don't call being consistently 4th and above (except that one game) as being dominant?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that while many hardcore Nintendo fanboys are screaming "Nintendo is better because they don't put out 10 Call of Duty games a year," there have only been at the maximum 3 FPS games that have been in the top 10 in sales.

[Doctor Blueberry 18]

die out my ass, it will more likely start focusing only on handheld formats since they rock at that part

...on the other hand, is Wii U better then the first wii?

And how come you choose it instead of other consoles?

[SomariFeyWright 776]

With all due respect to your opinion, everything quoted here is incorrect and here's why:

 

1) From an industry standpoint, money and company expectations and all that, the Wii U has already failed. Doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed but let's not kid ourselves: Where it matters, it failed. That's not an insult or even a negative statement so much as simple fact. It will make money, as systems are wont to do, but it will nonetheless struggle and flounder through the remainder of its life cycle. Success is not determined as simply as "Did it make a profit?" but by "What was the profit?" and the Wii U is simply not making enough. Now, if it gets some revolutionary upspike later on, that might change...But we all know that's not going to happen.

 

2) The Xbox and Playstation owe their success to THEMSELVES. However, they would not exist if Nintendo had not revitalized the industry so they do owe their basic existence to Nintendo. The Playstation in particular, as it was born out of a botched deal between Sony and Nintendo.  But "existence" and "success" are two different things. Please try not to overstate things. It's ignorant at best and plain old fan wank at worst.

 

3) Nintendo did not MAKE Pokemon, Kirby, or Fire Emblem. They only PUBLISH those titles  Do not give credit where it is not due. (Note: Game Freak of Pokemon game fame develops exclusively for Nintendo so that's an understandable oversight. The rest is just plain old didn't-do-the-research misinformation.)

 

4) You can say Nintendo is quality. You can say Nintendo is the best of the big names in gaming. But to say they "define video gaming as a whole" is the most asinine sort of hyperbole. I really can't bring myself to even bother explaining this one. Even if you're sleeping with Miyamoto, you just cannot be that blinded by Nintendo love. It's just not possible.

Looking through your points, I understand what you're saying. I apologize for what seemed like narrow-minded points, and I admit, I'm not the kind of person to do my research. Perhaps the Wii U IS a failure, but I still stand by that it is probably not a bad console.

 

And my whole "success" thing was a result of looking at it from a video gaming standpoint. They wouldn't have made the Playstation or the Xbox if they hadn't made the NES. My bad for wording it wrong.

 

... As for the publishing thing... that was something I really needed to hear. I've gone around preaching Nintendo's greatness for those things, but... in hindsight, you are right. Once again, my bad.

 

As for the last thing, I was referring to the impact they've left on gaming. They saved it, they made it go as strong as it is, and gave the other consoles a place to stand. They're one of THE strongest-going video game companies of present day, and are normally the first company that comes to mind when you think of video games.

 

For all of what I said, I'm sorry I came off as so uninformed. I'm not a narrow-minded person, honest. I love a lot of video game companies, and can't even officially consider Nintendo my all-time favorite. What I said was just a result of speaking from what I assumed rather than based on actual research and exploration of the facts.

 

Please, don't mistake me for a biased Nintendo-defender. I'm really an open-minded person with full understanding that no company is perfect, even Nintendo.