Jan animations shut down by hasbro/C&D

[Steel Accord 6,660]

So we citizens of third world countries are thieves, for watching a show about love and tolerance, the only way we can? Capitalism at it's finest.

 

WHOAH! Let's not open up that can of worms shall we? No I don't think you are a thief, and I think most of us can agree Jan wasn't either for the same reason. Can we just leave it at that? 

[Serbon div 386]

 

 

Can we just leave it at that?

Yes we can. But according to Pinkie Perry, I obviously am And the government, whose wisdom knows no boundaries, is totally legal, honest and honorable, without braking any law or moral code obviously.

[RubyVesper 100]

This is how I envision Hasbro right now.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I don't understand Perry. :S

 

He's just trying to play devil's advocate. And he does have a point. Hasbro isn't being "entirely" unreasonable here. FiM is their product that they are selling to all of us.

 

What they are crossing the line at is stifling a creative effort meant in tribute to their product that DHX, the proper creators, likewise appreciate and is making no money by itself. So from a practical and moral standpoint, they don't have a reason to pursue this.

Yes we can. But according to Pinkie Perry, I obviously am And the government, whose wisdom knows no boundaries, is totally legal, honest and honorable, without braking any law or moral code obviously.

 

Was that meant to be sarcastic? I mean, I'm an anarcho-capitalist so I'm no fan of government myself.

THEY SPELT SCOOTALOO WRONG.

HAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

 

Yeah for getting all up and arms about them owning a character that didn't even appear in the short, YOU'D THINK they'd get her name right!

[Treble Bolt 1,122]

For those that want to know WHY Jan Animations IS NOT fighting the C&D, listen to this

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IUXMulZbO1

it's ShadyVox himself. Don't worry, it's short sweet and to the point

 

As far as the argument over intellectual property and laws in general (I read this whole thread)....technically, when comparing Jan's work to OTHER fan works, Hasbro IS over reacting and taking copyright laws farther than they should. Copying a design and animation DOES fall under Fair Use when the individual ideas added outweigh the copyrighted content. That is the how and why we are able to have MLP reviews, and other fan works in general, from animation to the very OC I "created." However, the Fair Use clause IS completely grey, there is no black and white to it, and thus any company could, if they wanted to, shut down any and ALL fan works of every kind, even if it is barely like the original IP (mattel could legally claim copyright for the body design of EQG dolls, or Hasbro could legally claim copyright over any and all cartoon ponies that "vaguely" resemble the MLP franchise because MLP was there first {like that Filly Funtasia for example}).

 

As far as theft goes in this, it's an invalid argument. If you participate in a fandom more than just as a watcher of the show, and a consumer of Hasbro products, you are stealing the MLP IP. If you go to a con, you are encouraging theft (because brony cons revolve around the fan content to some degree) and thus are also involved in illegal activity......It's a pretty moot point to bring up theft, because if you ever picked a penny off the ground and pocketed it, that's also theft. If you ever took a pen, or a piece of candy from a bank teller or the Dr.s office WITHOUT asking first, you are technically stealing, even though the jar of candy and pile of advertising pens are part of De Facto consensus where we all 'assume' that those products are there for the taking.....With the way Youtube works, all content on Youtube is De Facto until someone claims copyright, even if the entirety of whatever video you may have made is COMPLETELY yours and yours alone.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Treble Bolt

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This really sucks, I love Jan's work , typical the big guys shutting down the smaller guys  

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Listen, if they had gone to Hasbro and pushed their idea, they may have been granted permission. That's what my friend did with Aardman. But they didn't. They took a character that Hasbro created, and proceeded to use that character without permission. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy.

[Serbon div 386]

 

 

Was that meant to be sarcastic? I mean, I'm an anarcho-capitalist so I'm no fan of government myself.

OF COURSE I AM SARCASTIC, and I am a monarchist.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

OF COURSE I AM SARCASTIC, and I am a monarchist.

Oh sorry, I just didn't pick up on your tone. In my defense, that can be an easy mistake when just reading text.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Actually just saying 'all copyrights to Hasbro' won't save you from legal action. If a court agrees that you've ripped off artwork they will grant a C&D order.

Thats... Kinda sad. As i said our copyright laws are obsolete and need renewal. This hasbro cd thing is getting tiring.

Listen, if they had gone to Hasbro and pushed their idea, they may have been granted permission. That's what my friend did with Aardman. But they didn't. They took a character that Hasbro created, and proceeded to use that character without permission. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy.

I think in double rainboom they did but it still got taken down... I think.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

This really sucks, I love Jan's work , typical the big guys shutting down the smaller guys

Okay, I agree with you that it sucks, but perpetuating this "little guy vs. big guy" meme just perpetuates a victim culture.

 

Every big guy today was a little guy at some point. Look at Steve Jobs! Started by building circut boards in a garage, ended up building a new generation of technology. Or is he expemt from being classified as a big guy because he's cool?

[ParsoOfEquestria 1,490]

Listen, if they had gone to Hasbro and pushed their idea, they may have been granted permission. That's what my friend did with Aardman. But they didn't. They took a character that Hasbro created, and proceeded to use that character without permission. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy.

but look at your pinkie pie avatar. technically you're taking a character that Hasbro created and proceeded to use that character without permission

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

but look at your pinkie pie avatar. technically you're taking a character that Hasbro created and proceeded to use that character without permission

True, but here in the UK its much tougher to prove breach of copyright than the US, so I don't think Hasbro will be coming after me anytime soon

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Okay, I agree with you that it sucks, but perpetuating this "little guy vs. big guy" meme just perpetuates a victim culture.

 

Every big guy today was a little guy at some point. Look at Steve Jobs! Started by building circut boards in a garage, ended up building a new generation of technology. Or is he expemt from being classified as a big guy because he's cool?

Victim Culture? What the fuck is that? In my times people used the word "victimizing". I don't think you understand what culture means.

 

For similar reasons i don't like people using the phrase "rape culture". Its wrong wording.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

True, but here in the UK its much tougher to prove breach of copyright than the US, so I don't think Hasbro will be coming after me anytime soon

Well then you're justification is just "It's wrong, but I can get away with it."

 

I mean I was kind of on your side prior to this.

[Treble Bolt 1,122]

True, but here in the UK its much tougher to prove breach of copyright than the US, so I don't think Hasbro will be coming after me anytime soon

 

 

the Fair Use clause IS completely grey, there is no black and white to it, and thus any company could, if they wanted to, shut down any and ALL fan works of every kind, even if it is barely like the original IP (mattel could legally claim copyright for the body design of EQG dolls, or Hasbro could legally claim copyright over any and all cartoon ponies that "vaguely" resemble the MLP franchise because MLP was there first {like that Filly Funtasia for example}).

 

I already said that...but I have to add the fact that you are using an American company's IP, so you are subject to American laws...

Edited March 22, 2014 by Treble Bolt

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Well then you're justification is just "It's wrong, but I can get away with it."

I mean I was kind of on your side prior to this.

What I mean is, here in the UK copyright laws do permit fanart to be made and sold under certain circumstances, whereas in the US, it's more gray.

I already said that...but I have to add the fact that you are using an American company's IP, so you are subject to American laws...

True, but any court order would be dealt with in the States, and as a British citizen I am under no obligation to listen to a C&D. We in the UK don't have such orders.

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Victim Culture? What the fuck is that? In my times people used the word "victimizing". I don't think you understand what culture means.

 

For similar reasons i don't like people using the phrase "rape culture". Its wrong wording.

Okay, no call for such language. Especially among fellow bronies.

 

What I mearly meant was a widely held thought that established influence and status, regardless of how it's achieved, is inherently evil.

 

Accompanied by this is the thought that any action taken by a group or individual in a higher standing against someone of lower standing is tantamount to undue censorship or repression, rather than seeing if the grievance being addressed is legitimate.

 

Again, I agree that what Hasbro is doing is utterly juvenile and unfair, but it hardly constitutes an act of war.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Steel Accord

[Treble Bolt 1,122]

True, but any court order would be dealt with in the States, and as a British citizen I am under no obligation to listen to a C&D. We in the UK don't have such orders.

 

Legally, being subject to American laws over weighs your British citizenship. The laws regarding this are mainly used on bigger things such as financial, abuse, and war related illegalities.  The same is vice versa, given the legalities regarding copyright over in the UK in regards to some IP such as Dr. Who (I don't know UK laws, but if you had the same as America, Hasbro could face British illegalities for even barely referencing Dr. Who in the show)....But as far as all this goes, no one is going to charge you over something so small because it's too much work, and they won't get heir money from you to compensate. Plus, it would really mess up international policies if they focused on such little things....

Edited March 22, 2014 by Treble Bolt

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Legally, being subject to American laws over weighs your British citizenship. The laws regarding this are mainly used on bigger things such as financial, abuse, and war related illegalities. The same is vice versa, given the legalities regarding copyright over in the UK in regards to some IP such as Dr. Who (I don't know UK laws, but if you had the same as America, Hasbro could face British illegalities for even barely referencing Dr. Who in the show)....But as far as all this goes, no one is going to charge you over something so small because it's too much work, and they won't get heir money from you to compensate. Plus, it would really mess up international policies if they focused on such little things....

I wonder if that's why none of the Doctor Whooves parodies haven't come under as direct fire?

 

Both bloated legal systems are afraid to step on the other's toes! XD

[Castle Bleck 19,338]

My subsequent response to Hasbro:

 

[Icedog68 71]

I was gonna watch those but I never got a chance could someone tell me a place where i can watch  it?

[Surface 115]

Thats... Kinda sad. As i said our copyright laws are obsolete and need renewal. This hasbro cd thing is getting tiring.

I think in double rainboom they did but it still got taken down... I think.

 

Thats... Kinda sad. As i said our copyright laws are obsolete and need renewal. This hasbro cd thing is getting tiring.

I think in double rainboom they did but it still got taken down... I think.

I read something that it was using Flash from the episode.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

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Legally, being subject to American laws over weighs your British citizenship. The laws regarding this are mainly used on bigger things such as financial, abuse, and war related illegalities.  The same is vice versa, given the legalities regarding copyright over in the UK in regards to some IP such as Dr. Who (I don't know UK laws, but if you had the same as America, Hasbro could face British illegalities for even barely referencing Dr. Who in the show)....But as far as all this goes, no one is going to charge you over something so small because it's too much work, and they won't get heir money from you to compensate. Plus, it would really mess up international policies if they focused on such little things....

A C&D order has no basis in law in the UK,

think about it, how will Hasbro enforce it if it was obtained in the States. To stop me, they would have to issue proceedings in the UK courts, which can take months, even years. There was a case about a unofficial Harry Potter book some years ago. Yes, the book was withdrawn, but The case took over a year to complete. Meanwhile the book sold like hotcakes.

I wonder if that's why none of the Doctor Whooves parodies haven't come under as direct fire?

Both bloated legal systems are afraid to step on the other's toes! XD

One difference between FIM and Doctor Who.

Hasbro is a private company, Doctor Who is produced by the BBC which is paid for by a TV licence, and the British public don't like their money spent on court cases!

[Midnight Blade 80]

This is exactly why I think Lauren should have the rights to the show. Not only would the quality of the stories be better (I think they've decreased the last two seasons) but we also wouldn't have the problems regarding things like Jananimations or fighting is magic.

 

I really hope Lauren will be able to create a show of her own one day and keep it's rights, that way I think most bronies would also watch it, and we'd have creative freedom with something that could be like FiM. Of course I'd still watch FiM but like I said before the quality of the stories have decreased IMO.