Anti Bronies vs Bronies: Everyone Should See This

[Mars Caramel 319]

While I still find it ridiculous that there needs to be a community with the sole purpose of opposing against another, I can't say that what the ol' doc says hasn't worked before in the past. I've actually found more of the more tolerable "anti-bronies" than most people expect someone to, and I actually owe Dr. Wolf for teaching me how to deal with a situation like this. Of course, there's still going to be that more vocal and aggressive part, which I would call the "haters", who you should definitely avoid, but maybe you just have to find the right people to talk to.

[man dude man 555]

 Yay,someone who is thinking this through

 

A false equivalency, and an offensive one at that. You are comparing internet trolls with two of the most notorious hate groups in history. Anti bronies say rude and idiotic things. Nazis were responsible for genocide. Let's not go there, please.

 

Do you know why these trolls still exist? It's because there are still people that feed them. There are still people playing the persecution game because they can't stand some kid's Youtube video that says things like "bronies er gay hahahaha."

 

No offense, but it's time we've moved on.

 

I don't think the OP wanted a huge flame war involving nazis and hate groups. That's kind of why this thread exists; to rid ourselves of such arguments.

 

How are anti bronies, as a whole, inherently harmful to anyone?

Think you are both missing the point, and if either of you wanted to "move on" you wouldnt continue the discussion, the point isnt the actions being taken, its the fact that they are actions that target one other group in specific NEGATIVELY, thus tolerance is not the goal of the antagonist (the anti brony).

[Arctic Night 884]

A lot of people are bullied for simply liking this show, in the case of Michael Morones to the point where he attempted suicide. And if you saw the brony documentary you will see that there are even some cases where some may even resort to violence. You are right to say that the trolls should not be fed and that too many bronies are feeding them but any kind of blind hatred especially for such a stupid and ridiculous reason is harmful.

Two things here:

1.) My post asked why anti bronies, as a whole, should be considered as inherently harmful. You gave a random, isolated case of extreme bullying. There is nothing inherently evil about these people, and that they are apparently being compared to the KKK is something I find appalling.

 

2.) Kids will always be a*sh****. Bullying and suicide were problems long before these corny fads hit their popularity peek.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Jim Cornette

[Banul 3,831]

This isn't a differing ideologies kind of problem. It's not the same as something like republicans and democrats whee you want to try and see things from the other perspective. It's one group of people whoes specific purpose is to put down a certain group of people ie. anti bronies exist to put down bronies (and I'm going to operate under the assumption that a person who would call themself an antibody has more than a passing dislike of the show and it's fans)

 

I don't have a problem with people who don't like the show, or even people who don't like the fans. I do have a problem with people who will go out of their to give bronies a hard time, who get enjoyment out of being a dick to others. That's what an anti brony is. Don't know how empathetic I can be to a group who seems he'll bent on hating me.

[Shanks 10,816]

2.) Kids will always be assh****. Bullying and suicide were problems long before these corny fads hit their popularity peek.

Yes they will, I know that firsthand but that dosen't excuse these scum. I have been singled out for being different many times for many different reasons in the past (this was before bronies) so you can understand why I have very little patience for people that hate and single people out for no good reason. They are not as bad as the KKK or the Nazi's but they are still lower than dog shit.

[Arctic Night 884]

Think you are both missing the point, and if either of you wanted to "move on" you wouldnt continue the discussion1, the point isnt the actions being taken, its the fact that they are actions that target one other group in specific NEGATIVELY,2 thus tolerance is not the goal of the antagonist (the anti brony).3

1- I am here because you quoted my post.

 

2-  How are they hurting you?

 

3- Why should we care what their goals are?

[man dude man 555]

1- I am here because you quoted my post.

 

2-  How are they hurting you?

 

3- Why should we care what their goals are?

1. I believe I was quoted first

 

2. They arent hurting me at all, I am just stating hard facts that anti bronies don't want to tolerate bronies.

 

3. You shouldn't

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,839]

Think you are both missing the point, and if either of you wanted to "move on" you wouldnt continue the discussion, the point isnt the actions being taken, its the fact that they are actions that target one other group in specific NEGATIVELY, thus tolerance is not the goal of the antagonist (the anti brony).

Your right im not going to continue this discussion because its stupid.

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

Chika Chika Chika Chika Chika Chika. (I do agree with the video. The thing I don't agree with is the whole idea of an anti brony group or an anti anything for that matter. Is it really necessary having a fanbase dedicated to bashing something? Why not focus on stuff you like instead of stuff you hate?)

[Espurr 449]

Hm. Why? I ask, why do people hate? Why do they hate? Somebody's going to hate somewhere. People are going to say mean things. There's this large war going on between bronies and anti bronies as some call them. But, even though there are anti bronies and bronies they are still people in this world. There can be nice people and mean ones too on both sides of this war. There will be nice anti bronies and mean bronies. Don't say it's not true if that's what you're thinking because just that you've met only bad anti bronies doesn't mean you met them all. Have you met the whole world? No! So there's probably a nice one out there somewhere. Just like bronies. There's probably meanies out there too. Which is why: Don't judge a person by their title. Or by what they like.

1. I believe I was quoted first

 

2. They arent hurting me at all, I am just stating hard facts that anti bronies don't want to tolerate bronies.

 

3. You shouldn't

Are you sure about number two? Tell me have you met every anti brony in the entire world? No? Then your logic makes no sense.

[man dude man 555]

Hm. Why? I ask, why do people hate? Why do they hate? Somebody's going to hate somewhere. People are going to say mean things. There's this large war going on between bronies and anti bronies as some call them. But, even though there are anti bronies and bronies they are still people in this world. There can be nice people and mean ones too on both sides of this war. There will be nice anti bronies and mean bronies. Don't say it's not true if that's what you're thinking because just that you've met only bad anti bronies doesn't mean you met them all. Have you met the whole world? No! So there's probably a nice one out there somewhere. Just like bronies. There's probably meanies out there too. Which is why: Don't judge a person by their title. Or by what they like.

Are you sure about number two? Tell me have you met every anti brony in the entire world? No? Then your logic makes no sense.

 

Yes unfortunately, they flood groups on Facebook. They have negative intentions, they didnt form an anti brony group to love bronies..

[Twilight Circuits 603]

Two things here:

1.) My post asked why anti bronies, as a whole, should be considered as inherently harmful. You gave a random, isolated case of extreme bullying. There is nothing inherently evil about these people, and that they are apparently being compared to the KKK is something I find appalling.

 

2.) Kids will always be a*sh****. Bullying and suicide were problems long before these corny fads hit their popularity peek.

I have a PM convo with hater/troll/anti-brony.... It pretty spells out that he's doing it for the money... I even asked him if he had a brony friend and he said he did... which was then I proceeded to tell him he signed his friend up for hate crime.

 

I'm not kidding around people. There really are people out there that would take a negative video and make up their mind that ALL bronies are like that. Forget bronies, people do that to other 'things' as well. Kinda like when you make up your mind that a certain brand of something always sucks. So what would happen, would probably be Mr. Pony is minding their own business until some idiot that has little mental reasoning skills sees one video that he let's make up his simple brain and then sees a brony on the street and  says it's hate crime time. This isn't thinking negatively at all. That actually IS the reality of it.

 

I say stand out loud and proud and tell the world that you AREN'T like that because there are people you know that wouldn't believe it to be true. But if you're hiding in the closet and no one knows you're a brony. What say do you have in the matter if the rest of the world knows nothing when they see you in the street?

[Espurr 449]

Yes unfortunately, they flood groups on Facebook. They have negative intentions, they didnt form an anti brony group to love bronies..

Hate and mean are two different words. With two different meanings. (pun) And facebook doesn't include everyone in the world. I don't have a facebook and I bet a lot of anti bronies who live on islands with no wi fi don't have them either.

[PokeBolter 208]

Hey that's what I used to do with bronies, troll them just to start arguments but actually never got one going until after I became a brony but yeah that video's a little too boring for me to sit through on a Saturday night. I used to try and fight with them on the brony Facebook page now I do it on the Last Poster Wins thread. But apparently if you love ponies you can't be considered an anti-brony.

Edited June 28, 2014 by PokeBolter

[man dude man 555]

Hate and mean are two different words. With two different meanings. (pun) And facebook doesn't include everyone in the world. I don't have a facebook and I bet a lot of anti bronies who live on islands with no wi fi don't have them either.

if they live on an island with no internet than they dont have mcuh reason to be anti brony, or much chance of being bothered by bronies.

[Aurelion Star 434]

If they disagree

Then let them

If they oppose ohh well be there and it's gonna be

 

WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NightGuard 251]

A false equivalency, and an offensive one at that. You are comparing internet trolls with two of the most notorious hate groups in history. Anti bronies say rude and idiotic things. Nazis were responsible for genocide. Let's not go there, please.

 

Do you know why these trolls still exist? It's because there are still people that feed them. There are still people playing the persecution game because they can't stand some kid's Youtube video that says things like "bronies er gay hahahaha."

 

No offense, but it's time we've moved on.

 

I don't think the OP wanted a huge flame war involving nazis and hate groups. That's kind of why this thread exists; to rid ourselves of such arguments.

 

How are anti bronies, as a whole, inherently harmful to anyone?

I really didn't want a flame war just wanted to say that not all anti Bronies are as they seem. Some think that I was meaning something big here, but not precisely. I thought this video could "possibly" help others in some ways. Edited June 28, 2014 by NightGuard

[Espurr 449]

if they live on an island with no internet than they dont have mcuh reason to be anti brony, or much chance of being bothered by bronies.

Aren't cable and internet two different things? Have you ever written a letter? I have and no I'm not old! Sheesh. But they could have heard about them from a friend somewhere else in the world from a letter.

[Justin_Case001 4,907]

I liked Dr. Wolf's video.  I thought it raised some good points.  The insight that many opinions are based on the most vocal, defensive, and aggresive members is true of almost everything in life, not just the MLP issue.  It's a good thing to be aware of.  I have personally noticed some real world examples of the most vocal opinions not representing the majority.

 

Here's an example.  During the last presidential election, my town was flooded with political signs promoting one particular candidate.  I would estimate that for every 20 or so signs and bumper stickers I saw for this candidate, there was only one sign for the other.  However, there were a lot more people who did not display any political signs.  I developed an educated theory as to why this trend existed, and I postulated that the people who did not display political signs actually prefered the other candidate, the one who was not getting all the attention.  When it came to election time, everyone seemed to be sure of who the winner would be, because the political views in this town seemed so one-sided due to the massive amount of media supporting one particular candidate.  However, it turned out that the other candidate actually won the popular vote in this state.  I believe my theory was correct, and that the community was only seeing the opinions of the most vocal people.  It turned out that there were far more people who supported the other side, but were not vocal about it, and did not want to advertise their political viewpoints.  This is just one example I've seen of how the opinions that get the most attention may not be representative of the whole.  And yes, I intentionally refrained from revealing any specifics because I do not want to start a political argument or flame war.  This was purely meant as an example of the most vocal opinions not representing the majority.

 

I usually tend to be non-vocal about my opinions, like Dr. Wolf used to be.  It's only in recent months that I have started to become active on these forums.  So, this phenomenon of the most vocal members not necessarily representing the whole is worth keeping in mind.

 

I would like to point out that I do also agree with the points on this thread that the brony/anti-brony issue should get less attention.  Since it's just a TV show after all, we shouldn't make a big deal out of it.  By doing so, we are saying that it's something worth making a big deal about, when in fact, it really isn't, or at least shouldn't be.  Many of these brony/anti-brony arguments and debates should probably just be ignored, so we're not fanning the flames.

[Invincible 2,091]

It's obvious (to me anyway) that the majority of both communities will never convince the other side to agree with their opinions. So why bother?

Were any of you ever swayed by their nonsense? Did you ever manage to shut them up with an argument?

 

I see what this guy in the video meant, but i disagree with his approach to the matter.

[man dude man 555]

Aren't cable and internet two different things? Have you ever written a letter? I have and no I'm not old! Sheesh. But they could have heard about them from a friend somewhere else in the world from a letter.

anti brony means what it sounds like. most of them dont mind the show, just the men that watch it..

[Jeric 46,860]

Almost exactly the point, an anti brony is to tolerating a brony, as a nazi is to tolerating a jew, or the kkk is to tolerating an african american.

No, I'm pretty sure they aren't the same.

[Deathstroke 1,564]

This is very true i agree and make sense

[\/ 651]

I'd rather think that anti-bronies are only the extremes, and the same with Bronies. You can watch a show and like a show, or not watch it and not like it, but not have to be put in a category for it. People who watch shows that are more kid-oriented like Adventure Time (maybe not the best example) don't get put into a special category, and nobody's really at the extreme, so there's not hate-group to oppose them. If Bronies and Anti-Bronies could work the same way, I think the whole clash of ideas would just dissipate. Yes, there would still be controversy, yes, people still wouldn't like it, but there would be no "flame wars", or at least not as many, and people would get used to accepting those that watch the show, and there wouldn't be so many barriers. If you compare it to other things, you see how different our communities are from those other ones, and the difference is so obvious. 

[Shanks 10,816]

So I watched the video and the podcast and I understand DrWolfs desire to try to play peacemaker but I just don't believe what he is trying to do is the slightest bit realistic and while I give the person he interviewd credit for not actively going out of his way to hate on or troll bronies I don't understand why people are saying "he makes such great arguments". No he dosen't, all he did was bitch about ponifications which while it is a much better argument than "bronies are fags" "bronies are autistic manchildren" or "bronies are pedophiles" is still a bullshit argument.

 

His point about some bronies shoving the show in peoples faces is correct and that annoys me too but a little common sense please. Posting drawings of characters from different franchises as ponies is not the same thing because while there are a ton of them nobody is point a gun to someones head and forcing them to see them. And the definition of anti brony being used is outright wrong to be anti anything means to be actively seeking to destroy it which despite his lousy arguments I don't think makes the person being interviewed a true anti brony despite his lousy and even slightly hypocritical arguments and the fact that he label himself as such. He seems like a non brony who just takes issue with certain portions of the fandom, his points make zero sense to me but I will take an "anti brony" like him over the real deal anyday.

Edited June 30, 2014 by EarthbendingProdigy