spoiler So...Celestia and Luna weren't born alicorns?

[snowflame 189]

If the movie really is about alicorns maybe we will find answers there, or in this season, it seemed to be such a big deal in universe that the baby was an alicorn.

 

I do not really know much about this fandom but I would say generally that books and interviews are not really canon (and definately not if the show contradicts them). So it seems they were not born alicorns. I never assumed they were actually, I have not red journal of two sisters.

 

I just want a great explanation for Flurry Heart, hopefully they can come up with one.

[Silver Stream. 708]

Nice loophole. But Luna did say it was beyond their understanding which was why I asked. Its all.....really confusing. But I'm sure Season 6 will shed more light on alicorns. I can imagine future episodes where Twilight tries to figure out how Flurryheart was born an alicorn. Who knows

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

Everypony has to start out somewhere...

 

Perhaps Celestia's and Luna's journeys were a lot like Twilight's, learning about their respective ordinances... 

[Jinxie Umbra 149]

Well, somepony asked Josh Haber about it on Twitter:

 

 

That is a super interesting question -- to which I do not have the answer.

 

So, who knows? Could be a retcon, oversight, or just awkward phrasing. Whichever it may be, 'tis nothing to worry about. If a retcon, it at least gives an excuse for a Celestia/Luna episode detailing how they ascended.

[MLPFanatic34 3,241]

I thought Celestia and Luna were born alicorns before Equestria came about.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I thought Celestia and Luna were born alicorns before Equestria came about.

they were. This is confirmed both bh Hearth's Warming Eve, and the journal of the two sisters

[Hazy Skies 1,010]

We know according to The Journal of the Two Sisters that alicorn-kind predates Equestria, just like every other pony race. But when Celestia and Luna said that the birth of an alicorn in Equestria (a key phrase) was beyond their understanding, I'm inclined to believe that natural-born alicorn-kind not only predates Equestria, but may not even be of their world.

 

On another note, yes, I acknowledge Rarity's belief that alicorns are only born when an ordinary pony accomplishes a princess-like task and earns their wings. But do you know what else she said? She said that she'd never heard of such a thing before in "Magical Mystery Cure". Clearly she was unfamiliar with Cadance's backstory, which as some of you already know, is present in the book Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell, and saw her earn her horn, not her wings. And if you find the canonicity of this story questionable, note that the show's staff directed a questioner at an SDCC panel to this very book when asked about Cadance's origins. So it's safe to say the show accepts this as canon. With all this in mind, I don't think we can count Rarity as a reliable source in the area of alicorn knowledge, as awesome as she is.

 

So fret not: there is nothing in the show to decisively disprove Celestia and Luna as natural-born alicorns, or completely overturn current alicorn lore, for that matter.

 

I agree with immblueversion on this, i was going to post  something like this fact, though i wasn't aware about the Cadence part

 

But to summarize, Celestia and Luna did say specifically "The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen", so that means an Alicorn was never born in Equestria..

 

Additionally, Referenced in both "Journal of the two sisters" (the book) AND "Hearth's Warming Eve" (Episode) Equestria's land was founded by Unicorns, Pegasi and Earth Ponies, It is later told in the journal (which tells of the events that follow Hearth's Warming Eve) that they chose Alicorns to govern their land to be unbiased between the races, Alicorns were not already residents of Equestria, but rather, a different land entirely.. Equestria only existed shortly before Celestia and Luna came to that land..

 

The reason they don't understand much about it is possibly due to the fact that they're unsure how it's possible for a pony that wasn't born an Alicorn to give birth to one, in addition to the fact that Luna and Celestia might not have seen or known much about Alicorn births in the first place, being that they began governing Equestria at an age fairly young for Alicorns. As this was before they had even gotten their cutie marks..

 

I still strongly believe that Celestia and Luna were born as Alicorns, and Celestia worded the phrase that way to highlight that.. The two sisters are 2 true/pure Alicorns, Whilst Twilight and Cadence are.. uhh.. "Bestowed" Alicorns? ... The baby, however, was born an Alicorn, therefor she is a true Alicorn.. Which would possibly explain her excessive power

Edited March 27, 2016 by AURAequine

[Bendy 1,821]

Two theories they were once a normal pony and became an alicorn somehow.

 

 

Or they were magically created by some sort of great horse god.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Bendy

[Hazy Skies 1,010]

Two theories they were once a normal pony and became an alicorn somehow.

 

 

Or they were magically created by some sort of great horse god.

 

The origin of the Alicorns is about as vague as where the other races came from..

So it's possible they could've all come from the same place.. Wherever that may be..

 

But that fact still remains that nopony was born in Equestria until it was founded because it hadn't existed

yet, all races of ponies then lived there and thrived, and many more were born since it's foundation, but no Alicorns

were ever born in that land, which is pretty obvious as to why if you really think about it..

 

Celestia, Luna and Cadence were the only Alicorns in Equestria.. and I'm sure you can imagine why THEY couldn't make a baby..

Edited March 27, 2016 by AURAequine

[Invincible 2,092]

That's actually quite impressive, considering they have to perform special feats regarding their sphere of influence it would mean Celestia and Luna somehow displayed incredible prowess and knowledge of Solar and Lunar magic, respectively

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,020]

This was one of the things I wasn't overly fond of i nthe premiere. We received such a big piece of information, the fact that even Celestia and Luna were completely baffled that a pony was born as an Alicorn, but we were given no answers beyond that. Theye didn't clarify at all if Celestia and Luna were born as such and if they weren't, then that throws many wrenches into the whole thing. On top of that, we weren't given any answers as to why it has never happened and why it has happened now. 

 

It created far too many question's and no answers. 

[Hazy Skies 1,010]

They've essentially created a debate topic for us to.. well.. debate

[Concerned Bystander 2,904]

I think the line "The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen" is more of a red herring than a loophole given the lack of any consistent detail about Equestria's history.

 

We need a new book, 'The History of Equestria' with a detailed timeline of how everything fits together.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

This was one of the things I wasn't overly fond of i nthe premiere. We received such a big piece of information, the fact that even Celestia and Luna were completely baffled that a pony was born as an Alicorn, but we were given no answers beyond that. Theye didn't clarify at all if Celestia and Luna were born as such and if they weren't, then that throws many wrenches into the whole thing. On top of that, we weren't given any answers as to why it has never happened and why it has happened now. 

 

It created far too many question's and no answers.

 

it'll be handled th ed same way the question was dodged in EqG, on why Starswirl sent the sirens to the human world so long ago, but they've just started to emerge until now

[Concerned Bystander 2,904]

 

 

it'll be handled th ed same way the question was dodged in EqG, on why Starswirl sent the sirens to the human world so long ago, but they've just started to emerge until now

 

That one was pretty much explained in Rainbow Rocks itself.  Starswirl banished them to the human world because he determined that they would be powerless there due to the human world's lack of magic.  The reason they suddenly emerged when they did is because that happened to be time when when Equestrian magic appeared in the human world.  That seems like a fairly solid explanation to me.

[Steve Piranha 29,481]

I believe Megan McCarthy once answered a question that was along the lines of: "Will Twilight Sparkle outlive her friends now that she's an Alicorn" Later on Megan McCarthy confirmed that would NOT be the case. From my understanding there would be two different types of Alicorns. Alicorns that are born, and Alicorns who have earned their wings/horn. Now from what I'm getting, Alicorns that are born seem to live for thousands of years and have a greater purpose than the ones that earned their place. 

 

"A birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen."

 

I would say it's more likely Luna and Celestia were not born in the land of Equestria.

Well, technically that's correct, as Celly and Luna are from a colony of alicorns that used to live in what now is Canterlot. It's possible they meant that it wasn't part of Equestria, hence their rule at the old Everfree castle back then, and they should've been born before Equestria's founding. If that's the case, McFlurry is the first alicorn-born pony in Equestrie

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Well, technically that's correct, as Celly and Luna are from a colony of alicorns that used to live in what now is Canterlot. It's possible they meant that it wasn't part of Equestria, hence their rule at the old Everfree castle back then, and they should've been born before Equestria's founding. If that's the case, McFlurry is the first alicorn-born pony in Equestrie

I can't understand how people aren't understanding this, and interpreting it as "sunbutg and Luna aren't born alicorns"

[Steve Piranha 29,481]

I can't understand how people aren't understanding this, and interpreting it as "sunbutg and Luna aren't born alicorns"

That's mindly understandable considering that not everyone consume other media material, like the Journal, but this information has been divulged repeatedly in this forum no less. It's still surprissing that Celly and Luna not being born alicorns it's the only thing they assume and not the alternatives at least

[ManaMinori 4,146]

That's mindly understandable considering that not everyone consume other media material, like the Journal, but this information has been divulged repeatedly in this forum no less. It's still surprissing that Celly and Luna not being born alicorns it's the only thing they assume and not the alternatives at least

I et that, but the dialog made it clear enough in itself-expecially if anyone has already watched Hearths Wrming eve

 

The Crystalling: "never before has Equestria seen an alicorn birth" (key word- has Equestria)

 

Hearths Warming Eve: " long ago, before the peaceful rule ofCelestia, and before ponies discovered the beautiful land of Equestria-"

[Sals 56]

Well. They were born into the royal family. They could have been born alicorns. But I guess we will get some MLP History lessons later on in the season.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Sals

[Northern_Nightmare 1]

If Celestia and Luna weren't born alicorns that means they either earned their wings by some means or weren't born but created? If they were earned that places them on the same level as Twilight but we have a tweet saying Twilight won't outlive her friends. Now it is indeed just a tweet and can be ignored by some. However does this mean immortality can be chosen to be accepted or not? Or mane 6 alicorns confirmed?

[Silver Stream. 708]

I et that, but the dialog made it clear enough in itself-expecially if anyone has already watched Hearths Wrming eve

The Crystalling: "never before has Equestria seen an alicorn birth" (key word- has Equestria)

Hearths Warming Eve: " long ago, before the peaceful rule ofCelestia, and before ponies discovered the beautiful land of Equestria-"

It's just a harmless question. Maybe it was clear to you, but it wasn't clear to me. Yes I know of the journal.of the two sisters, and yes I saw the Hearth's Warming episode, but I was only wondering since Luna stated alicorns by birth were even beyond THEIR understanding. I get Equestria has never seen it, and I can even understand that Celestia and Luna never saw one, but to me it seemed as if alicorn birth was "unheard of" period.

 

 

Had they said something like "there hasn't been an alicorn birth since our birth" or "Never has this happened in Equestria. Luna and I were born before it's time, so we were thought to be the last of alicorn birth" or something along those lines. Hell, I don't know...

 

But I'm simply asking.

[Grtxkkyz 389]

Well, this goes all the way back to the very first episode of the series, if i recall correctly, the book Twi was reading said they were both unicorn sisters before gaining alicornhood

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Well, this goes all the way back to the very first episode of the series, if i recall correctly, the book Twi was reading said they were both unicorn sisters before gaining alicornhood

rewatched that just yesterday. All it said was they used their unicorn powers to raise the sun and moon, which doesn't necessarily state that they're unicorns- seeing as how they have both horns and wings

For the record, both Hearths Warming Eve and the Journal show that unicorns were raising the celestial bodies before the royal sisters, so in the first episode, it's just statingwhat kind of power the alicorns are using to do that themselves

[Swifty 249]

My thoughts about this in short: So what?

 

Luna and Celestia can be born as Earth Ponies for all i care. I don't even care to speculate.