Why doesn't anyone want the Mane 6 to save the day?

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

Because it's more interesting if someone else took up the reins.

 

Hell, if they made Celestia the hero of the Season 7 Premier(And make Starlight the character-in-distress), I would be more than happy to watch it.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

I get used to rotating protagonists or rotating story arcs, so this doesnt bother me like other people. Even my best series of all time can change protagonists halfway the story, this is nothing lol.

  On 2016-11-25 at 7:44 AM, SaburoDaimando said:

Because it's more interesting if someone else took up the reins.

 

Hell, if they made Celestia the hero of the Season 7 Premier(And make Starlight the character-in-distress), I would be more than happy to watch it.

If Celestia is protagonist in S7, no one will complain due to awesomeness overwhelming, best plan ever.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

 

 

  On 2016-11-25 at 4:32 AM, Sidral Mundet said:

What fans are they cause the Mane 6 need to actually save the day for once for this to apply. I mean that hasn't happened at all, ever.

 

Although I get what you are saying and agree with some of it.... are you sure we are watching the same cartoon? Because I count more times than 0 that the Mane 6 have saved the day together. Yeah Twilight is sort of the main character one could argue (especially in S1-4), since it sort of revolved around her coming to Ponyville and learning about friendship and becoming Princess Goku eventually. And you mentioned the EOH indirectly, so yeah I can't argue with some of that, but lets take a deeper look.

Friendship is Magic-  Twilight could not do anything without the "Remane 5". To hell with the EOH, she would have lost (in fact she would not have made it to the castle without them)... it took all of them.

The Return of Harmony - Again, it took them all. Twilight was the one who got them all back to normal it is true, so this one counts more as an EOH episode, but I am adding it anyway.

Canterlot Wedding - Yes, Twilight is the one who found Cadence, so it can be argued no victory would have been possible without her. But they still helped protect Twilight during the invasion and helped make it possible for a Cadence and Shining Armor victory.

The Crystal Empire - I disagree that they did nothing. All of them worked together in some way. Twilight went to find the heart... but without Spike she would have failed. And without the "Remane 5" the Crystal Fair would not have worked out and the Crystal Ponies would not have been present to turn back Sombra. Sure they were not getting the heart, but they were performing a very important task all the same.

Princess Twilight Sparkle - Twilight would have died without them in the end.

Twilight's Kingdom - This one is a bit different. They HAD to be captured for Tirek to be defeated, otherwise Twilight could not stop him. They would have just been at a constant draw destroying all of Equestria until one of them tired and one got the upper hand on the other one. Afterwards it took all of them to unlock the chest and release rainbow pew pew power to lay the smack down on Tirek and return Equestria to normal.

The Cutie Map - Yeah, the day was saved by some other ponies.. it's all good though. They were pretty awesome characters as well. The only thing I could say, is that the 6 of them together arguing and then getting over it, is what helped the Blank ponies start questioning themselves, Starlight and everything they thought they believed in... which could be argued took all of them. (and Pinkies iron stomach)

The Cutie Remark - No argument here, it was all Twilight.

The Crystalling - Everyone played a big part. Twilight, Starlight, Celestia and Luna pulled the crystal together. Sunburst knew how to fix it and put the shard of love into it to perma-fix it. The "Remane 5" helped calm the crowd which gave the others the time they needed to fix the crystal heart.

To Where and Back Again. - It is what it is. Like it or hate it... Starlight, Trixie, Discord and Thorax saved the day. No arguments here.

 

I will not bother with the episodes were one pony or another helped save Twilight's life or make it possible for her to accomplish whatever it was that needed doing to save the day or solve the problem.

 

Anyway, as stated above there are several times the Mane 6 saved the day together, which is far more than never ever. Twilight may have played a bigger part, but the rest of them were just as essential in getting everything to work out in the end. The show puts a bigger emphasis on the Twilight bits, because it is the more interesting part of the story plot wise (especially with only 22-44 minutes to play with), but that does not mean the other 5 are not in the background bringing it all together so that Twilight can "save the day".
 

[Luminance 2,186]

I don't mind if the other mane 5 help save Twilight, for once.

[Sonic5421 428]

  On 2016-11-24 at 10:21 PM, heavens-champion said:

Well, I want the main characters to stay the main characters.

 

Same here, especially with how the Royal Family helped save the day in the Season 6 premiere. I want them to be able to help save the day again at some point instead of being sidelined with being kidnapped and needing to be rescued every time, with the Season 6 finale being the worst of those moments. If the Royal Family, or even Celestia, can save the day for once, then I'll be satisfied with the outcome.

[heavens-champion 1,905]

  On 2016-11-25 at 8:39 PM, Sonic5421 said:

Same here, especially with how the Royal Family helped save the day in the Season 6 premiere. I want them to be able to help save the day again at some point instead of being sidelined with being kidnapped and needing to be rescued every time, with the Season 6 finale being the worst of those moments. If the Royal Family, or even Celestia, can save the day for once, then I'll be satisfied with the outcome.

You really are obsessed with the royal family, aren't you?

[Thrond 3,263]

I'm a little bored with all the episodes about saving the day in general, tbh, although what I'd like to replace them (royal politics, career advancement) might not fit the target audience. Still... low-key, slice-of-life story arcs like the Gala in S1 would be preferable to the massive fate-of-Equestria stuff to me.

[Sonic5421 428]

  On 2016-11-25 at 10:54 PM, heavens-champion said:

You really are obsessed with the royal family, aren't you?

 

Can you blame me? They are my favorite characters after all. I just did not appreciate how Haber displayed them in the Season 6 finale. I'll let it slide since it was his first go at a season finale after he probably wrote the Season 5 finale, but I had better see the Royal Family be shown some more love in the Season 7 premiere like with how they were done in the Season 6 premiere with helping save the Crystal Empire then.

[heavens-champion 1,905]

  On 2016-11-25 at 11:38 PM, Sonic5421 said:

Can you blame me? They are my favorite characters after all. I just did not appreciate how Haber displayed them in the Season 6 finale. I'll let it slide since it was his first go at a season finale after he probably wrote the Season 5 finale, but I had better see the Royal Family be shown some more love in the Season 7 premiere like with how they were done in the Season 6 premiere with helping save the Crystal Empire then.

I suppose you're right, seeing as Twilight is my favorite.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

  On 2016-11-25 at 8:21 PM, GrimGrimoire said:

Cutting for space.

 

Now I was being a bit hyperbolic there so forgive me for that, but the issue is a matter of the metanarritvie context, at least for me.  The Remane 5 are not driving forces, they are passive players in the action, they don't impact the narrative. To quote you:

 

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The show puts a bigger emphasis on the Twilight bits, because it is the more interesting part of the story plot wise .

 

My question is why has there never been a two-parter where the emphasis was on the Remane 5, where their story was the interesting part of the story plot wise? This is what has never happened, that's what I mean. The story and the narrative never star the Remane 5 and it becomes a case of Show vs Tell. Oh the show can tell me time and time again that the Mane 6 saved the day but if it only ever shows Twilight (and now Starlight) carrying the weight of the narrative then it counts for nothing.

 

It be like taking The Empire Strikes Back, cutting out all the parts with Han and Leia, having Darth Vader give a line saying that they evaded them for a while but now have been captured in Cloud City while keeping all the parts about Luke. It changes how important the characters are. Because the action is only on the one character, they are the only one to impact the narrative and matter to the story. 

 

Lets go over the episodes for further clarification on what I mean (spoiling them to save on space): 

 

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Not going into the first two two-parters 

 

Canterlot Wedding: The Remane 5 are background characters that get into fight that is ultimately pointless. The have no impact on the story. There are new secondary characters that help out but the Mane ones have no real purpose in the story. 

 

The Crystal Empire: Same thing. The Remane 5 subplot has little to no impact on saving the Crystal Empire or the threat caused by Sombra other than as comedic filler. You could cut their scenes and nothing would be lost of the main narrative. Was great to see Spike in action so points there. 

 

Princess Twilight Sparkle: The Remane 5 help her with the plants but they are completely helpless when trying to figure out what to do and Twilight is the only one maintaining the situation and solving the problem. The emotional core and narrative importance is still solely located on Twilight. 

 

Twilight's Kingdom: They once again have little impact on the plot. They only serve as damsels in distress followed up by being a battery pack to the new elemental powers which are more or less "Magic Power= Day Saved" which requires little effort on the Mane 6's part. 

 

The Cutie Map: Now here's something different, the Remane 5 have a massive impact on the story here. They are the ones to instigate the townspeople to question their surroundings and they are the ones to expose Starlight. Yes they don't save the day but they are an instrumental part of the narrative structure and importance to the plot as they are the ones to get the ball rolling and expose the evil plan, so to speak.  It's not the fact that they need to save the day, it's that they have to have importance to the story which the Mane 6 have here, though it is more centralized on Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy. 

 

Skipping Cutie Re-mark. 

 

The Crystalling: And we're back to little impact yet again. The Remane 5 did not play a big part. They had five minutes of screen time and they're contributions were either exposition, pointless or minimal. Applejack, Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash weren't able to get the ponies to move, it was Shining Armor and was rendered pointless but needing to go back so all it amounted to was filler.  Rarity and Pinkie Pie only had babysitting duties.  The only ones with an actual importance in the story was Flurry Heart for causing the mess and the Starlight/Sunburst/Spike trio for helping to fix it. 

 

 

 

The point I'm trying to make is that the Remane 5 have little to no story role in the two-part episodes. There hasn't been any two-parter where it's focused on any one of them. The closest we've ever gotten was Keep Calm and Flutter On because that was an important event going on that didn't focus on Twilight but instead on Fluttershy and even then it was still more Slice of Life than adventure and only one episode.  And now we have a completely new character taking over when the Remane 5 have never gotten the chance to shine or even work together as a group since The Return of Harmony. 

[Sonic5421 428]

  On 2016-11-25 at 11:43 PM, heavens-champion said:

I suppose you're right, seeing as Twilight is my favorite.

 

Thanks, I really appreciate the support.

[Chuckles4lyfe 441]

I think Zephyr Breeze said it best in his episode: "You literally helped save Equestria, like, a dozen times".

 

A lot of people are probably tired of the same ponies saving the day over and over again. While I like the idea of the show mixing it up every now and again (the Season 6 finale is a perfect example), I don't think the mane 6 should downright not save the day anymore. Give other characters time to shine in the spotlight every now and then, and i'll be a happy camper.

[Hypn0ticD 1,213]

As someone has already said in this thread, you can't please everyone all the time.

 

That said, I like the Mane6, and would actually like to see them save the day again, but giving other characters the chance to save the day is cool, too (like Celestia proving to be quite formidable and really knocking a powerful god-teir villain down a few pegs by soudly handing them their ass!)

 

In other words, people will bitch and moan no matter what happens, but I'm down for whatever the show has in store!

[bluseymoe 258]

I think people just want to see other characters step up once in a while, which is fine.

 

But the mane 6 remain equestria's best heroes no matter what.

[Starlighty 987]

See I like the whole map idea cause it always just sent two of them and it strengthened their friendship in some way.... they have only done that a few times and I would like to see more of that for a little while longer.... 

 

 

AlsO I would like to see Starlight strengthen her friendship with the mane 5 we have only had one episode with her bonding with them. 

[Brainstorm 4,112]

The Main Six and Spike should Save The Day, I mean, they're still heroes, but, have others give it a try.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Brainstorm

[Megas 27,823]

I don't have a problem with secondary characters getting the spotlight save the day, Rainbow Rocks works because someone new gets a chance to help the mane 6 when they were backed into a corner

 

Key phrase: Backed into a Corner

 

I don't mind scenarios where our heroines are backed into a corner and need help, I don't want to see more scenarios where they're aren't even allowed to fucking job and are reduced into damsels in distress

[Unlikeable Pony 2,699]

I don't mind other people saving the day in principal, but in order for it to work I would like for the other 5 to get time to shine saving the day recently.
They haven't felt relevent since S2 apart from the 1 minute of Rainbow power.

 

 

 

  On 2016-11-27 at 3:24 AM, Megas said:

I don't have a problem with secondary characters getting the spotlight save the day, Rainbow Rocks works because someone new gets a chance to help the mane 6 when they were backed into a corner

 

Key phrase: Backed into a Corner

 

I don't mind scenarios where our heroines are backed into a corner and need help, I don't want to see more scenarios where they're aren't even allowed to fucking job and are reduced into damsels in distress

Damsels that are defeated OFFSCREEN; that's one of the biggest complaints about the episode since it feels like the plot is working specifically towards starlight benefit to set her up as the savior, since SOMEHOW, she's the ONLY one who's figured out that these individuals who are TERRIBLE at pretending to be others have defeated the most powerful beings in equestria and taken their place without anyone noticing.

[Baykush 328]

  On 2016-11-28 at 12:52 AM, Unlikeable Pony said:

Damsels that are defeated OFFSCREEN; that's one of the biggest complaints about the episode since it feels like the plot is working specifically towards starlight benefit to set her up as the savior, since SOMEHOW, she's the ONLY one who's figured out that these individuals who are TERRIBLE at pretending to be others have defeated the most powerful beings in equestria and taken their place without anyone noticing.

 

Who says she was the only one? Thorax and Sunburst noticed it as well, and others might have noticed the mane 6 were acting off, but to reach the conclusion that they are changelings Starlight needed the help of Princess Luna, otherwise it would have taken longer for her to deduce something like that. If anypony started being suspicious they could have replaced them as well later, and if Discord didn't happen to have the ability to teleport Starlight wouldn't have gotten to the Changelings' kingdom on time before being kidnapped as well.