Is magic a bad thing overall?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Soooooo I'm starting to think Twilight may have had a point in Everfree. I mean, I'm all for Sunset's embrace the magic approach to things and thought AJ and co. were being silly when they decided to just ignore it in favor of mundane camping. On the other hand, that's how many times now that something magical has almost caused harm to befall minors? I mean, when you watch the show and you see magic happening all the time you really don't think anything of it but when it seeps over into the other world, the results are pretty drastic. It's almost kind of darkly hilarious that a magical world as seemingly nonthreatening as Equestria can have such potentially dangerous effects on what is otherwise the real world. Plus, how hard is it going to get after awhile to maintain deniability about this? With that stinger at the end of Everfree, it's starting to feel like the genie isn't going back into the bottle.

I'm not the only one noticing this right? That as wondrous and cool as magic is in Equestria, it seems kind of dangerously out of place in the human world.

[Will Guide 21,360]

@Steel Accord

Seriously, it's getting annoying that people have not read my topic on How Equestrian Magic Works in EQG world.

I very clearly pointed out that Magic can be BOTH a good thing and bad thing depending on how it's used! Seriously, I think more people would have a better understanding if they read the topic that I put a lot of time and effort into making.

So, to answer your question simply. No. It is not bad OVERALL. It can be good or bad. Like how Tropes are Tools.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Just now, WiiGuy2014 said:

@Steel Accord

Seriously, it's getting annoying that people have not read my topic on How Equestrian Magic Works in EQG world.

I very clearly pointed out that Magic can be BOTH a good thing and bad thing depending on how it's used! Seriously, I think more people would have a better understanding if they read the topic that I put a lot of time and effort into making.

So, to answer your question simply. No. It is not bad OVERALL. It can be good or bad. Like how Tropes are Tools.

Okay man, sorry. I haven't been on any topics in months, cut me some slack.

[Will Guide 21,360]

Also, I think the human world was never intended to be realistic like our real world is. The biggest reason: All the characters are just as technicolor as the ponies are.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Just now, WiiGuy2014 said:

Also, I think the human world was never intended to be realistic like our real world is. The biggest reason: All the characters are just as technicolor as the ponies are.

No it still is a cartoon, certainly. It still remained more grounded and closer to our reality than Equestria was at the start.

[Will Guide 21,360]

1 minute ago, Steel Accord said:

Okay man, sorry. I haven't been on any topics in months, cut me some slack.

Sorry if I came off as enraged. It's just I pointed out a really good point in that topic and it wasn't getting the attention it deserves. Nothing against you, personally, my good sir. 

[Ganondorf8 11,288]

I wouldn't say magic was a bad thing here. Sure, it can sometimes cause problems resulting in unintentional consequences, but generally speaking, magic has proven to be most effective especially when it comes to saving the day. I know it doesn't sound promising considering that what I said amounts to the usual McGuffin but since the stories of EQG are in a similar vein to that of the show--for a specific audience--they can't really go into greater depths.

[ZethaPonderer 2,199]

This discussion is no different from people who criticize the Harry Potter franchise for promoting Witchcraft.

 

We cannot make the same assumption that Magic in the MLP: FIM universe or in fantasy stories in general shares the same similarities from Magic in real life which is forbidden knowledge for Humans to associate in learning anything about it.

 

It is Fantasy after all, while IRL its actually a mystery if the phenomenon Magic or even Miracles for that matter exist. Unlike Guns and Science we’re relying on, back in the Ancient Times at the BC Era some of our ancestors depended on Swords and Sorcery.

 

AKA, Trying to seek knowledge from understanding the Supernatural such as Miracles and Magic is far from our reach where we don’t have sufficient information to grasp how it works IRL. This is known as Knowledge of The Unseen.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

@ZethaPonderer That's not what I'm saying at all. For one thing, magic in Harry Potter is already a part of their world. It's something formally studied and practiced. The "wizarding world" isn't a separate dimension or plane of reality, it's just hidden from the much larger society. In EQG, magic has been carried over from an entirely different world that operates on different rules. It would be like bridging the paths between Middle-Earth and the high school setting of Saved by the Bell. Second of all, I was saying how magic affects the world in-universe not our actual world.

[ZethaPonderer 2,199]

Man I don’t know what is up with me misunderstanding you there @Steel Accord where you’re coming from . Guess I just got lucky understanding you with your post on Life Advice previously.

 

Anyway, now I get it and I don’t have the answer to that since Magic is treated as Fantasy so it doesn’t necessarily have to make sense. As for your point on Harry Potter, seems fair.

[danparkerstudios 26]

Maybe if handled correctly, it can be helpful.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

20 minutes ago, danparkerstudios said:

Maybe if handled correctly, it can be helpful.

Yeah, like Sunset and co. but magic is clearly something wild. It doesn't come into their world only when called. It's seeping in and causing adverse effects on its own.

[Rikifive 24,126]

All I can say is, that the magic indeed is out of place in the human world.  

I didn't mind a little bit of magic in the human world in the first movies.
Well, at the beginning there wasn't much of magic anyway - basically there was the only one - Magic of Friendship. No spells on command, nor anything - that magic was triggered by the friendship, which--- from some point of view exists in our world, but in the movies it was just shown in a more colorful way. It was nicely balanced- they all were pretty much surprised, that such a thing even exists.

But then - - - it started to become a common thing in the human world, which quickly got to the point, where it became hilarious. They keep using their abilities all over the place, which made it all less magical than it should be. It looks like everybody is now aware, that the magic exists and they're just like 'woah,  okay'. It just feels awkward I guess. 

 

Regarding if the magic is good or bad- it all depends on how it is used. The magic was used to cause harm in Equestria as well.
Also I know it's still a show, but it still feels kinda disappointing. Hard to explain why exactly, just as how hard it is to explain why most of us even like the show in the first place. 

[Will Guide 21,360]

5 hours ago, Rikifive said:

Regarding if the magic is good or bad- it all depends on how it is used. The magic was used to cause harm in Equestria as well.
Also I know it's still a show, but it still feels kinda disappointing. Hard to explain why exactly, just as how hard it is to explain why most of us even like the show in the first place. 

I agree that magic can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how it's used.

I wrote an entire topic about that short of 2 years ago:

Seriously, my topic  isn't getting the attention it deserves and that makes me very sad and a little mad...

Edited February 17, 2018 by WiiGuy2014
Clearer point.

[Rikifive 24,126]

3 hours ago, WiiGuy2014 said:

My thoughts exactly.

I wrote an entire topic about that short of 2 years ago:

Seriously, my topic  isn't getting the attention it deserves and that makes me very sad and a little mad...

I've read your topic and it doesn't convince me to anything yet to be honest.  
Equestrian magic in human world is pretty much the same as in Equestria. There are villains after all, so there are ponies/creatures, who used the magic to cause harm.  

The answer that convinces me more is just the humanity's stupidity itself. Humans seem to be way more hostile, than ponies, so that's why you can see the negative results in human world much sooner. 

[Will Guide 21,360]

6 minutes ago, Rikifive said:

I've read your topic and it doesn't convince me to anything yet to be honest.  
Equestrian magic in human world is pretty much the same as in Equestria. There are villains after all, so there are ponies/creatures, who used the magic to cause harm.  

The answer that convinces me more is just the humanity's stupidity itself. Humans seem to be way more hostile, than ponies, so that's why you can see the negative results in human world much sooner. 

You seemed to misunderstanding my original point. I was talking about how the GOOD potential of magic could be utilized, Not just the bad. 

It was even my first response on this very topic.

On 1/25/2018 at 8:51 PM, WiiGuy2014 said:

@Steel Accord

So, to answer your question simply. No. It is not bad OVERALL. It can be good or bad. Like how Tropes are Tools.

I don't like it when people focus only on the bad and never point out the good as well.

[Rikifive 24,126]

Hmm yeah, I think I went too deep with this. I was having both threads in mind and I can see, that what I wrote should rather go to your thread, not this. I see you've pointed only one fragment from there. My bad. Calling the thread as an argument is what confused me~  I guess what I said in your thread explains what I had in mind.
 

Either way getting back to this topic, yes, you're right.

That magic is dangerous in both dimensions, though humans seem to not handle it well. 

[Steel Accord 6,660]

6 hours ago, Rikifive said:

But then - - - it started to become a common thing in the human world, which quickly got to the point, where it became hilarious. They keep using their abilities all over the place, which made it all less magical than it should be. It looks like everybody is now aware, that the magic exists and they're just like 'woah,  okay'. It just feels awkward I guess. 

I disagree on that. By Everfree, it's still seen as something strange and mostly unknown. I was more with you on that first sentence where it felt "out of place." That's what I meant. A force that, whether used for good or ill, belonged to a world and is now being foisted on to a world that has no context for it.

1 hour ago, Rikifive said:

The answer that convinces me more is just the humanity's stupidity itself. Humans seem to be way more hostile, than ponies, so that's why you can see the negative results in human world much sooner. 

Whoah! Hold on there! There's no call for such generalizations.

53 minutes ago, WiiGuy2014 said:

I don't like it when people focus only on the bad and never point out the good as well.

Nor do I buddy.

36 minutes ago, Rikifive said:

That magic is dangerous in both dimensions, though humans seem to not handle it well. 

Well why would they? Equestria has always had magic. It's a law of physics for them. The human world has no experience with it. Sunset Shimmer, a native of the other magical world, is the only reason anyone has a clue how to handle it.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,306]

I've said all along that the "Human World" is NOT Earth. Their reaction to magic is an unknown. Did they have magic in the past, but lost it? Do they have any current magic users? That hasn't been stated yet. As with anything, magic in the human world has equal potential for both good and bad. 

Edited February 18, 2018 by cuteycindyhoney

[Rikifive 24,126]

On 18.02.2018 at 12:11 AM, Steel Accord said:

By Everfree, it's still seen as something strange and mostly unknown.

Yes, you're right, it all is unknown before discovering it.
I just had its rarity in mind.  

In the Everfree it turns out, that the magic randomly existed somewhere in the forest. Then in the shorts, that are the sequels, there was a magical device just randomly lying somewhere around Mane6's location. Who knows? Perhaps there's magic everywhere?  

So far it is handled pretty nicely indeed, though I'm starting to getting worried. Eh, not like it was a bad thing or something, but it just starts to feel kinda out of place.  

Welp, but it is true, that it's still just an animated show and nobody said, that it is actually our Earth and stuff, so there's nothing really to complain on.

 

On 18.02.2018 at 12:11 AM, Steel Accord said:

Whoah! Hold on there! There's no call for such generalizations.

True, should have worded things differently. I wanted to create a quick summary of many factors (that would be a looong story), but I made it sound really bad. Either way what I said doesn't necessarily mean what you may think it does, though that's true, that the way I worded that clearly suggests otherwise. 

I was referring to some themes poked in the movies and stuff like this, where there are quotes like 'Humans think they can rule the world', 'Humans want to know and have everything', etc. etc..

Besides, I do admit, that comparing anything to our world was most likely a bad approach. We didn't really get a chance to see how the normal-everyday-day looks like.

On 18.02.2018 at 12:11 AM, Steel Accord said:

Well why would they? Equestria has always had magic. It's a law of physics for them. The human world has no experience with it. Sunset Shimmer, a native of the other magical world, is the only reason anyone has a clue how to handle it.

And this answers your question in the topic title - the magic is not bad in overall, it just can be used wrongly. And this applies to both dimensions, where in the human world is tends to be misused more often, due to its rarity and people being unaware of its power.

The magic in Equestria isn't necessarily that wondrous and cool. It was used to cause destruction after all.
There's absolutely no difference between human world and Equestria when it comes to bad vs good usage of magic. The ones using the magic makes the difference.

 

 

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Eh, I have a feeling, that I'm annoying. Welp, enough of that kind of discussions for me.

Edited February 22, 2018 by Rikifive

[Karnak 187]

Alchemy is better. I mean really. 

[AlbaTross 1,586]

On 2018-01-25 at 8:35 PM, Steel Accord said:

Soooooo I'm starting to think Twilight may have had a point in Everfree. I mean, I'm all for Sunset's embrace the magic approach to things and thought AJ and co. were being silly when they decided to just ignore it in favor of mundane camping. On the other hand, that's how many times now that something magical has almost caused harm to befall minors? I mean, when you watch the show and you see magic happening all the time you really don't think anything of it but when it seeps over into the other world, the results are pretty drastic. It's almost kind of darkly hilarious that a magical world as seemingly nonthreatening as Equestria can have such potentially dangerous effects on what is otherwise the real world. Plus, how hard is it going to get after awhile to maintain deniability about this? With that stinger at the end of Everfree, it's starting to feel like the genie isn't going back into the bottle.

I'm not the only one noticing this right? That as wondrous and cool as magic is in Equestria, it seems kind of dangerously out of place in the human world.

This thread could debatably be moved as the discussion of magic encompasses more than just Equestria Girls and is actually more relevant to the main series, but I'll leave it where it is for the time being as this topic was inspired by events in Friendship Games.

[heavens-champion 1,905]

I still believe that the magic is affected by the user's mood.