general media Michael Jackson controversy

[ManaMinori 4,146]

It appears that MJ  sexual predator accusations have resurfaced with the "Leaving Neverland" documentary. As far as I know, there has never been concrete evidence that proved MJ was guilty, when the court cases were underway. But the judicial system doesn't deliver justice in fairness, more otften than not, and media is skewed, so we, as onlookers will never have all the facts, no matter how many opportunists wanting to make a quick buck off Jackson's name come forward with their claims of supposed "sexual abuse". 

 

But there are always going to be people who believe what they hear, without doing accurate research into it, and form equally skewed opinions. 

 

What do you guys think of MJ and the claims of sexual abuse by his supposed "victims"?

[TBD 17,263]

I think these people should let this man Rest.In.Peace. And fuck someone else who is still alive.

[Will Guide 21,365]

Don't you know, "Never Speak Ill of the Dead".

'Nuff said.

[TBD 17,263]

I will also like to add this too, that filing a case against someone who’s dead will be unlikely to be accepted due to leading towards biases. Thus becoming invalided and thrown out of the window. Who’s next? Elvis Presley accused of sexual harassment? Or Frank Sinatra?

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[MangoFoalix 25,047]

He has been dead for a decade now. Why does this even matter at all?

[CheeryFox 23,824]

They just want the money...like the little, greedy, connivers that they are. 

[Will Guide 21,365]

3 hours ago, TBD said:

I will also like to add this too, that filing a case against someone who’s dead will be unlikely to be accepted due to leading towards biases. Thus becoming invalided and thrown out of the window. Who’s next? Elvis Presley accused of sexual harassment? Or Frank Sinatra?

Or Walt Disney hating Jews even though his best songwriters, The Sherman Brothers were Jewish. I know Walt didn't like a few people that were Jewish, but that's just a small number, not ALL of them.

Walt was a perfectionist that nearly caused the company to go bankrupt and even opposed union organizations due to what happened that caused him to lose Oswald. But him hating all Jews is simply not true.

[Once In A Blue Moon 895]

2 hours ago, TwilySparky said:

He has been dead for a decade now. Why does this even matter at all?

It matters to the victims, and it matters that gaps in the system that people can exploit are found. It was only after Jimmy Savile died that accusations of paedophilia came to national attention, but the subsequent scandal revealed gross oversights in organisations responsible for protecting children. It also encouraged people to report sexual offences - which are often not reported for fear of shame or ridicule. That's why it matters.

In this specific case, if it's already been to court and he was found innocent... I don't know. Pushing at it further is distressing for the Jackson family, brushing over the whole matter is distressing for the victims and there might lessons missed - no easy answer.

[Jedishy 3,549]

5 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

But the judicial system doesn't deliver justice in fairness, more otften than not,

Please back this statement up with actual facts. Because justice system does its job just fine. Is it hard to convict someone? Yea and it should be. Because ya know sending innocent people to jail is a pretty bad thing. 

5 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

What do you guys think of MJ and the claims of sexual abuse by his supposed "victims"?

I think I've never seen serious evidence presented to back the accusations and there are enough doubts to the credibility of the accusers to say that this is just more bunk. 

 

4 hours ago, TBD said:

I will also like to add this too, that filing a case against someone who’s dead will be unlikely to be accepted due to leading towards biases.

Bias has nothing to do with it. You cant charge the dead. Further you might be able to sue an estate but you have about a year ish after death for that so that is not an option now either. 

[Gestum 2,493]

I don't believe that he was a paedophile. What I do believe is that he acted inappropriately towards children (such as sleeping next to them), but I don't think that he actually did something illegal.

[MangoFoalix 25,047]

21 minutes ago, Once In A Blue Moon said:

It matters to the victims, and it matters that gaps in the system that people can exploit are found. It was only after Jimmy Savile died that accusations of paedophilia came to national attention, but the subsequent scandal revealed gross oversights in organisations responsible for protecting children. It also encouraged people to report sexual offences - which are often not reported for fear of shame or ridicule. That's why it matters.

In this specific case, if it's already been to court and he was found innocent... I don't know. Pushing at it further is distressing for the Jackson family, brushing over the whole matter is distressing for the victims and there might lessons missed - no easy answer.

Even again, there is nothing that can be done to him since like I've said, he has been dead for a decade now. Yes, it might affect his family but for him himself, not so much.

[TBD 17,263]

1 hour ago, Jedishy said:

Bias has nothing to do with it. You cant charge the dead. Further you might be able to sue an estate but you have about a year ish after death for that so that is not an option now either

I mean it like if a person is dead they won’t have anything to say in defense. Hearing from only from the accusers without a hearing from the defendant leads to bias. But yes, your reasons is also why you can’t charge a dead person.

[Jedishy 3,549]

Just now, TBD said:

I mean it like if a person is dead they won’t have anything to say in defense. Hearing from only from the accusers without a hearing from the defendant leads to bias. But yes, your reasons is also why you can’t charge a dead person.

Not true. Sorry to get off topic here but you do not need to take the stand at all in your trial and can be tried in absentia. So death, or not speaking have nothing to do with the ability of a case to go to trial or for one side or the other to win 

[TBD 17,263]

Just now, Jedishy said:

Not true. Sorry to get off topic here but you do not need to take the stand at all in your trial and can be tried in absentia. So death, or not speaking have nothing to do with the ability of a case to go to trial or for one side or the other to win 

Still leads to bias if you’re only hearing from one side.

Either way he’s dead, nothing to do about now.

[Jedishy 3,549]

Just now, TBD said:

Still leads to bias if you’re only hearing from one side.

That bias has nothing to do with the triability of a case. If bias had anything to do with being able to try a case then no case could ever be presented. Because how you look could bias the jury. The sound of your voice could. The nature of the crime could etc etc. Further not hearing from you does not lead to bias automatically and may, in fact, be in your favor. 

[TBD 17,263]

52 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

That bias has nothing to do with the triability of a case. If bias had anything to do with being able to try a case then no case could ever be presented. Because how you look could bias the jury. The sound of your voice could. The nature of the crime could etc etc. Further not hearing from you does not lead to bias automatically and may, in fact, be in your favor. 

I know bias doesn’t unable to create  a case against a person. I’m just saying it would be the bias kind if you’re charging against the dead. Beside who’s dumb enough to file a case on a dead person?  But biases do sneak in from time to time when it come to courts. That’s why we have defender vs prosecutor to removed that or avoid any type of bias.

yes not speaking could be at your favor but again some other side will take advantage of that. Which is why we have lawyers to deal with that, making sure your side will be heard as well.

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[Phill 1,287]

 

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[Misty Shadow 8,046]

4 minutes ago, Phill said:

 

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Oh yes, I love Razorfist.  Yeah, I already knew all this shit about Michael Jackson being a pedo was debunked, same as Walt Disney being a racist and an Anti-Semite. Too many people just go off of hearsay and flimsy evidence without looking into the finer details of this stuff. We would have had proof long ago and much more consistency in the accounts if it was real. After seeing how crazy stuff gets like this now with going after accused people who are alive, I really can't get behind going after accused people who are dead. 

[Here No Longer 5,281]

He's been dead for 10 years now, so what even is the point... Nobody with half a brain is going to believe this crud anyways.

[Dreambiscuit 10,760]

Any lowlife can accuse someone who's dead and no longer able to defend himself. It's picking an easy target and cashing in. It was bad enough when MJ was alive and targeted because he was rich, famous and had young guests at his ranch. Opportunistic parents smelled money, and the media, smelling big headlines, did the rest. Proof was never a factor because it isn't necessary in media anymore. Public perception has nothing to do with law, evidence or justice. It's easy for unscrupulous scumbags to spin a story out of nothing and that's exactly what happened. 

Michael always had an innocent nature and was innocent of all charges. Simple as that.  

[Cash In 22,747]

Whatever happened, Michael Jackson passed away over a decade ago. It's pretty unfair to bring this up after such a long period of time, no matter what the circumstances were.

[Misty Shadow 8,046]

H3H3 weighs in by believing everything he's told without any skepticism, as usual.  

"A documentary that uses conflicting accounts from people who already gave their side years ago under oath." 

Yeah, that is pretty much the best way to sum it up. 

[The Historian 516]

This has been around since I was a kid. Not once have I really found any of the claims to be credible and every single one of them smacked of someone trying to make a quick buck. I never felt like any of the testimonies or cases had any real legitimacy. Even back in the 90s, it was a shitshow. If it's legit, it could give closure to the victims but it's well past that time...

[Jon the VGNerd 889]

Yeah umm... no. These people should just learn to move on instead of creating outbursts regarding the late pop legend. MJ is long dead, and it's unlikely these kinds of people would even prosecute against someone who's been dead for the past ten years. It's these kinds of people that bring shame to not only MJ, but the fans as well. Yes, he's had a hard life, but he's since passed on.

[They call me Loyalty 1,951]

There are severe signs of trauma involving race, gender and sexuality. But the complexity of the perceived reality emcompasses far beyond a single individual.

So, I would look into human history. The treatment of life, and the sequels of abuse, opression, slavery, etc. Since transgenerational trauma will replicate until healed.