What if the next generation is woke garbage?

[Splashee 28,589]

15 hours ago, Kujamih said:

You people ask too much... Just enjoy the show . if you cant sorry for you. and stop being butt hurt people, its making our race weak.

There will be weak and "butt hurt" people, trust me.

 

We have to be prepared, and lower our expectations, in order to survive this. There is no other solution. Not for us that have lived past 10 years of FIM already, knowing what was good and what was bad, having all the answers!

[FlareGun45 2,221]

I'll be ok as long as next-gen Spike isn't the punching bag character again.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

10 hours ago, Super Splashee said:

There will be weak and "butt hurt" people, trust me.

 

We have to be prepared, and lower our expectations, in order to survive this. There is no other solution. Not for us that have lived past 10 years of FIM already, knowing what was good and what was bad, having all the answers!

Did you just say that people that don't accept what they think is inferior are weak?

[Bendy 1,821]

5 hours ago, Metemponychosis said:

Did you just say that people that don't accept what they think is inferior are weak?

Yes, there is a thing called standards. They can't expect us to like everything they shovel at us. In fact, liking everything thrown at us shows that we are weak.

[Goat-kun 2,530]

On 5/19/2020 at 4:26 PM, Super Splashee said:

There will be weak and "butt hurt" people, trust me.

 

We have to be prepared, and lower our expectations, in order to survive this. There is no other solution. Not for us that have lived past 10 years of FIM already, knowing what was good and what was bad, having all the answers!

My expectations are so low they are hanging out with sea pigs. Whomst'd here possesseth such unholy strength?! Bow before me, fanboy, as my virtue is beyond your comprehension!

[Splashee 28,589]

5 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

My expectations are so low they are hanging out with sea pigs. Whomst'd here possesseth such unholy strength?! Bow before me, fanboy, as my virtue is beyond your comprehension!

 

I have 0.00000126 ‰    (that's permille symbol!) expectations. I just know Hasbro will not engage us older fans any more. They have had enough of us, I am sure!

[Mixmaster226 9]

Well, the final season of FiM was garbage, and the same people who made that will supposedly be making G5, so...don't be surprised.

[Singe 2,111]

If I was to expect something to happen, it be more Neighsay like characters. Neighsay from Season 8 was a character reflecting off the current political climate of that time. They took a reasonable stance of Equestrian's kingdom security and history of crises that could challenge Twilight's stance to open up to the other creature kingdoms. Since Neighsay was opposing Twilight's view, rather than have a reasonable debate they made him a racist.

Reasonably, it would be normal for people who had their country overthrow or going through many crisis caused by foreigners to be wary of them.

[CypherHoof 26,483]

To be fair though, most in that sort of position either ARE racist and xenophobic or find racism and xenophobia useful tools to achieve their goals.

[Megas 27,984]

4 hours ago, Singe said:

If I was to expect something to happen, it be more Neighsay like characters. Neighsay from Season 8 was a character reflecting off the current political climate of that time. They took a reasonable stance of Equestrian's kingdom security and history of crises that could challenge Twilight's stance to open up to the other creature kingdoms. Since Neighsay was opposing Twilight's view, rather than have a reasonable debate they made him a racist.

Reasonably, it would be normal for people who had their country overthrow or going through many crisis caused by foreigners to be wary of them.

A big problem with them addressing those issues in the show is when some races *coughYAKScough* are so incredibly one note and defined by one trait that you can't see them as anything other than troublesome, and that has less to do with racism and more poor writing and world building if you can sum up entire species in a world with one character trait

[Goat-kun 2,530]

18 hours ago, Super Splashee said:

I have 0.00000126 ‰    (that's permille symbol!) expectations. I just know Hasbro will not engage us older fans any more. They have had enough of us, I am sure!

But here's where fanboy shills get royally screwed, and in the wrong hole too. There already exists a successful model for when the owner company doesn't give a shit about particular fans: Blizzard vs. Dota players. There will come a time (if it's not already here) when OCs and alternate realities will fetch creators more money than official MLP merch will fetch to H-Bro as far as +18 community is concerned.

[Bendy 1,821]

On 5/21/2020 at 6:09 PM, Bas said:

Maybe each of us is allowed to decide ourselves whether we want to watch something.
It is almost as whether this is a reality.

Okay... why isn't Batwoman making bank? Not to say everything (even if it kinda is) about show is about making money, but why is Batwoman a massive failure? It's does not even have hardcore fan base really to support it either. 

A soap opera like Coronation Street does make money, but only normies for the most part watch it. In other words, non nerds. Coronation Street is one of the longest running series I ever seen, but I find it soo.... so boring. Coronation Street does have a hardcore fan base to help it as well, so it makes bank.

 

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What did I just read, and considering things like the MCU, I couldn't disagree more.

The MCU might be dying. But yes, it did well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Bendy

[Steve Piranha 29,482]

On 5/21/2020 at 3:56 AM, Singe said:

If I was to expect something to happen, it be more Neighsay like characters. Neighsay from Season 8 was a character reflecting off the current political climate of that time. They took a reasonable stance of Equestrian's kingdom security and history of crises that could challenge Twilight's stance to open up to the other creature kingdoms. Since Neighsay was opposing Twilight's view, rather than have a reasonable debate they made him a racist.

Reasonably, it would be normal for people who had their country overthrow or going through many crisis caused by foreigners to be wary of them.

Yeah, it’s clear they went to protagonists centered morality route. In their defense tho, it was done as a red herring to the actual villain: Cochy

21 minutes ago, Bendy said:

 

The MCU might be dying. But yes, it did well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It lasted a huge milestone, and reached it’s main goal: killing Thanos. They seem to be rather aimless now. Whatever, I think I’ll leave the MCU with Endgame, so my memory of it doesn’t spoil. Not to mention I’m rather burned out with Marvel, and I no longer have Avengers Alliance to excite me with MCU tie-ins 

[Megas 27,984]

11 hours ago, Bendy said:

Okay... why isn't Batwoman making bank? Not to say everything (even if it kinda is) about show is about making money, but why is Batwoman a massive failure? It's does not even have hardcore fan base really to support it either. 

A soap opera like Coronation Street does make money, but only normies for the most part watch it. In other words, non nerds. Coronation Street is one of the longest running series I ever seen, but I find it soo.... so boring. Coronation Street does have a hardcore fan base to help it as well, so it makes bank.

 

The MCU might be dying. But yes, it did well.

 

If the MCU is dying, it's gonna be due to franchise fatigue. The franchise more or less climaxed with Infinity War/Endgame and we don't really know where it's gonna go, and after 21 films, a lot of people are burned out.

But it won't be because of some wokeness bullshit. Heck, Black Panther and Captain Marvel the two most "woke" Marvel films wound up being incredibly successful, both making over $1Billion(and no Disney didn't pay employees to go watch the movie to inflate numbers, that's a really stupid rumor made up by idiots who can't handle the idea that just maybe people might have actually liked and been interested in those movies)

[KatonRyu 1,035]

What kind of agenda did MLP push, in your view? I'm seriously wondering this. Or, really, what kind of agenda are any animated shows pushing, like Gravity Falls or Star vs. the Forces of Evil?

Hell, I don't even know what 'woke' is supposed to mean, since I've never heard it used in any serious context. Literally the only example I know of it being used anywhere is one of Fluttershy's salespony personas saying it, and that was just making fun of a stereotype.

[Stardust Live 44]

Oh, for goodness sake. You're annoyed that entertainment is 'pushing an agenda', is this because things aren't the same old same old for you? That your tastes aren't being exclusively catered for? Is something in this brightly-coloured cartoon aimed at children with a heavily female cast about the magic of friendship twisting your melons? Are you angry Scootaloo can't fly and it's actually a thing? That Kerfuffle has a prosthetic leg? That Lyra and Bon-Bon got married?

Someone else getting something that isn't for you doesn't mean you get less. What is the problem here? I love it when main characters don't get love interests because I am tired of love triangles in media, does that anger you? Are you the same sort of person that loves making 'triggered' jokes and doesn't get the idea behind it? Are you sick of the discussions about casting, changes, stories, themes? These discussions are as old as time, people are simply more likely to speak up about changes that anger them. I hate the changes made for a comic property when adapting it to a TV series because a couple of story changes are HUGELY significant and ruin key moments in the books. Was I angry that an actress portraying the character was from a different ethnic background? No, because her ethnicity wasn't a key story issue; her relationship with her father WAS and her background, as well as her relationship with the male lead, and that was completely changed to absolutely change the dynamic.

If you think MLP has never been subject to the same 'political' talk as the fears you have for G5, then you are deluding yourself.

[Bendy 1,821]

4 hours ago, Stardust Live said:

Oh, for goodness sake. You're annoyed that entertainment is 'pushing an agenda', is this because things aren't the same old same old for you? That your tastes aren't being exclusively catered for? Is something in this brightly-coloured cartoon aimed at children with a heavily female cast about the magic of friendship twisting your melons? Are you angry Scootaloo can't fly and it's actually a thing? That Kerfuffle has a prosthetic leg? That Lyra and Bon-Bon got married?

Someone else getting something that isn't for you doesn't mean you get less. What is the problem here? I love it when main characters don't get love interests because I am tired of love triangles in media, does that anger you? Are you the same sort of person that loves making 'triggered' jokes and doesn't get the idea behind it? Are you sick of the discussions about casting, changes, stories, themes? These discussions are as old as time, people are simply more likely to speak up about changes that anger them. I hate the changes made for a comic property when adapting it to a TV series because a couple of story changes are HUGELY significant and ruin key moments in the books. Was I angry that an actress portraying the character was from a different ethnic background? No, because her ethnicity wasn't a key story issue; her relationship with her father WAS and her background, as well as her relationship with the male lead, and that was completely changed to absolutely change the dynamic.

If you think MLP has never been subject to the same 'political' talk as the fears you have for G5, then you are deluding yourself.

I'm a nihilist in general. I do not want to watch a propaganda piece about the evils of capitalism by a capitalist company. Because the hypocrisy reaches no end. I like MLP because it is an escape from the awful planet we live on. I do not want to see human based politics in a fictional world.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Bendy

[Stardust 642]

I dun mind when they include 'woke' themes at least subtly it's more when they write shows that literally do nothing but push an agenda and bad writing to go with it. It is childrens entertainment like moral stories are cool ya but it's meant to be entertaining.

I think it would more likely they would go for the cinematic feel and I think they would go for quite a different animation look. But overall they will still have flashy character designs to sell toys ofc.

[Pentium100 2,280]

4 hours ago, Stardust Live said:

That your tastes aren't being exclusively catered for? Is something in this brightly-coloured cartoon aimed at children with a heavily female cast about the magic of friendship twisting your melons? Are you angry Scootaloo can't fly and it's actually a thing? That Kerfuffle has a prosthetic leg? That Lyra and Bon-Bon got married?

I do not have problems with the current show, well, at least not with what you have listed.

 

However, it also did not appear "forced". What I would not want to see is real-world politics in a fantasy show and I also do not want to see thins put in it not because it makes for a good story, but because of politics. I dislike that from both sides, by the way, both the left and the right.

Here are some examples of what I consider badly done:
1. the Ghostbusters reboot - "Look, we made the same movie, but with a female cast" - if your selling point of the movie is that it has all-female (or all-male, I don't care) cast, then it means your movie is not very good.
2. The various calls for having a woman play James Bond. How about you create a new character? I'll watch that movie (provided it's any good). 

I have played many games that have a woman as the main character and have no problems with that, hell, I sometimes even choose to play as a woman in games that allow me to choose the sex of my character. There are many games that I like even though they have a female main character - as long as it does not jump out to me as "this was done for political reasons".

Same goes for TV shows - MLP was created for girls, so it naturally has mainly female cast, which is perfectly OK. It also has some gay characters (though, I guess, according to the shippers all characters are gay), some disabled characters etc. No problem at all.

The fact that Lyra and Bon Bon got married is not a problem for me. What would be a problem for me is if they were trying to get married, while all other ponies were bullying/opposing them because in that episode everyone hated gays etc. That would be too much real-world politics.

There was an episode of Doctor Who where they had a character who was Trump in all but name and he was portrayed as extremely evil for (among other things) shooting a huge spider. Yes, a spider (and not a talking one either), on that killed multiple people in that episode. 

Basically, when I watch a fantasy TV show or play a game not set in the real world, I do not want to think about real world politics. If the show makes me do that, or at least think "they included this part obviously for real-world political reasons" then, for me, it's a sign of a bad show.

And I don't like "woke" propaganda show the same as a far-right propaganda show. Propaganda is propaganda. Obviously all authors have opinions and those opinions can show in their work, but when it's too obvious that's where I draw the line.

[Bendy 1,821]

6 minutes ago, Pentium100 said:

I do not have problems with the current show, well, at least not with what you have listed.

Agreed.

I'm not even sure where I stand politically. One of my favourite characters is a strong female character called Leela from Futurama. She is far from a traditional woman. There are things I hate on both sides of the political spectrum.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Bendy

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

As long as the characters are fun to watch, the stories entertaining and the animation pleasing to the eye, I can overlook some wokeness. If G5 is garbage, it will because it doesn't tick off the first three boxes, not because it has a certain political bent. 

[Pentium100 2,280]

17 minutes ago, Sunny Fox said:

If G5 is garbage, it will because it doesn't tick off the first three boxes, not because it has a certain political bent. 

For me, the "political bent" may take me out of the story if it is too obvious (it is also probably harder to make a good story while keeping the propaganda).

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,026]

22 minutes ago, China (100% NOT China) said:

It is a bit funny and ironic, considering how 80s and 90s action movies went: Put on strong male characters and heroes, and supporting cast, and females are usually the prize for him ending up winning.

Exactly. It is like how when people say certain things in FiM were done solely for toys (which to an extent is true) when Transformers is literally a property about alien robots that turn into human vehicles for no reason and look how much love that gets.

According to the internet, almost everything is considered "woke" now. Needless to say I despise that term already.

[Pentium100 2,280]

2 hours ago, China (100% NOT China) said:

It is a bit funny and ironic, considering how 80s and 90s action movies went: Put on strong male characters and heroes, and supporting cast, and females are usually the prize for him ending up winning.

Those are usually very old types of stories (the "hero myth" basically). However, what I meant by my statement was that if someone now makes a MLP:FIM remake, but with the main characters being male, I probably would not watch it. If your selling point of the show is "it's the same as before, but we added male characters", again, it's probably not very good. Otherwise you would not need to draw attention to the sex of the characters.

And, for me, this applies to both sides. Just imagine this conversation:
A: "You should watch Sci-Fi movie x"
B: "Why? Why do you consider it to be any good?"
A: "The story was really engaging and I especially liked the action sequences"
vs
A: "It has all-female/all-male/all-Aryan cast and it really shows how men/women/Jews are assholes".
vs
A: "It's a really good explanation why gays are evil, they did a great job on that"

Which answer, do you think, would make me want to watch the movie more?

Basically, I can watch a movie (or play a game) with all-female cast or all-male etc cast no problem, but if it starts to draw my attention to that, that's where the problem appears.

2 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

It is like how when people say certain things in FiM were done solely for toys (which to an extent is true) when Transformers is literally a property about alien robots that turn into human vehicles for no reason and look how much love that gets.

I don't watch Transformers so I wouldn't know, but I guess both shows are designed to sell toys, which is OK, I mean I have to accept that. However, if they make some (obviously subjective) bad changes to the story what could be explained by the wish to sell more/different toys, I can understand people getting upset.

I guess that would be if the Transformers suddenly changed into different models of cars (maybe they do, I don't know, I think I have seen a couple of episodes when I was a kid and that's it).

[They call me Loyalty 1,951]

Entertainment has been used for propaganda since times immemorial. Donald duck gets drafted contained messages against the nazi regime. Trying to sway the mind of children about war, which is often misrepresented for the benefit of the country, is yet another sad note in the history of humanity.
The 4th generation wasn't any different. So, you just came out of the times of unwoke garbage, into the woke garbage, to put it in terms you can understand.

Politics relates to power. Power is a concept older than humanity. It's always been this way, even before your memory. Everything comes down to power, at least for the primitive species.